New Roadmap, Same Game: Planetside 2's Death Spiral Continues

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00:00 Roadmap
00:30 Organised Planetside
05:05 Roadmap Issues
09:20 Merge servers pls
10:20 Being critical vs negative

[@RenderMan1337]

We really have to stop with the doomsaying until Toadman does something.

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

I think this is important too. How many players have been driven away because the game is stamped as 'dead' 'terrible developers' 'Wrel bad' 'game is ruined'..

[@ZealousVidya]

This isn't doomsaying. This is pragmatic feedback. Player numbers are decreasing heavily. Almost all the organize ops based players have left, at least on cobalt. This video explained why. The game cannot get 'better' (e.g. server merges) if we don't address reality.

[@Zertian]

@@ZealousVidya that right, we are now under 1000 Players now :(

[@kunigas12]

i think they wasted too much recourses on ''water content'' , too many people hates it and they still cant just remove it . They just cant let it go. And thats the biggest downfall in my eyes.

[@physetermacrocephalus2209]

And Arena

[@chrisnewbury3793]

They should have worked on connecting the existing continents via the water

[@davisasantos6739]

I aways left when oshur open.

[@RingingChunk]

Bro come to Emerald, routers are not dead, hella organized outfits on every faction, I still love the hell out of this game on primetime

[@ThexLastxUchiha]

Hmmm...its almost like I predicted that the lack of incentives to platoon lead would be the death of Planetside 2. Oh wait, I did back 2013, and then again when Escalation dropped. They could easily fix this with giving the PL/SL war assets by making platoons a short term "outfit".

[@ZealousVidya]

Yeah that's another issue which never got addressed - I made a similar reddit post about it before this youtube channel

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

Until you prove statistically that organized play is the majority of the playerbase, you're wrong. Casual players who just pop in to run around and shoot are the important one. They're always the silent majority in every game. They don't talk about the game, they don't interact with it, they just play it. And if PS2 cannot appeal to these players; the game will die. Outfits if anything squeeze out the fun of the game with redeployside, zerging, exploiting unfun mechanics etc. They choose to play like this and burn themselves out and then blame the game.

[@ZealousVidya]

Totally agree casuals are the silent majority however there was a very large base of players which enjoyed 'winnning' via territory/alert gameplay.

[@nomadoverlander847]

Still my favorite game after simracing since 12 years

[@BattlebornReapers]

So PC finally exhibiting Console abandonment syndrome...with only half the toxicity.

[@R1po]

Was thinking it 2..3 times during the video. Until you said it yourself at the end. "Too little, too late". But I have the same mindset as CmdrCurious. Play it till the server shut down. Log in, look for some Lib vs Lib duels, maybe crush some armor, and log off. I criticized the game dozens of times over last 10-12 years. But because I love(d) this game. I cared enough to actually write something on Reddit. I think it's worse if you don't say anything. Critic is a mix of subjective and objective. But it's a point of view from someone who plays the game and feels it could be better. And wants it to be better.

[@PatrixBest]

Man, 10 years I played this game, and it was a good 10 years, but I don't see myself going back to it even if I do have some nostalgia watching your gameplay

[@LanzerYT]

I'm looking forward to the new vehicle but I agree That there's a lot of other things they could fix

[@zakadams762]

prime time on Emerald often has a couple hundred players in discord, VKTZ usually has around 40 players on

[@realitysucks6624]

when things are working and those things are fine they don't need commenting on , when things are flawed they do , I get them saying "if you don't have anything good to say don't say it at all", but at the same time were not here to pander to their egos flatter them with mute points that do not need changing, time is valuable for them and for us and only issues are referred to so we can then get back to the things we love sooner. positive input is gleaned from us logging in and how long we play , not by them spending all day reading comments on how much players like the game and should use their time productively on the issues at hand!

[@luisjosp5]

Im just praying for a Connery + Emerald merge... I started to play NC on Emerald... but I miss my fully geared Vanu on Connery... I have around 2k hours just on that character :(

[@Chris_Tootoo]

I still play console and still enjoy ops nights, the communal be small but this game just needs a bit of more changes that the community wants to fix and to save this game

[@tellmewhenitsover]

The core problem of PS2 is a bit complex, but to sum it up its the pop dumping. Hexes having no restrictions on respawns, player count, or heavy assets is the root cause of several issues. It creates stale population sink holes or zerg rofl stomps while destroying the need for tactics, resulting in unenjoyable gameplay for all types of players, the most important being the silent majority of casuals.

[@mastermike9000]

Dammit didn't want this game to die let alone fall into the hands of the Chinese

[@nani4416]

im realy intrested to see what the new id holder gonna do with planetside, im open to anything new that has something to do with ps2. I think ps2 could have good potential for a tv show/movie, if done right. Maybe the story how the war started?

[@ColboyMontana]

What did Wrel ever do for NC?

[@desmondhadden7396]

Actual question, compared to old infil I believe the class is already significantly less effective. I know the HA/LA vets complained, so there were pain shields?, dark light flashlights, vehicle detection, no IFF on the darklight, instant decloaking in water on oshur, powerknife nerfing, wall/object penetrating darklights, darklights that are still revealing cloaks after the player died 4 seconds ago etc etc. I play as a knife only infil, have over 30k kills and I can also see that more emphasis is being placed on HA/LA folks enjoying their gameplay. What would the new nerf do? If you're a heavy with an overshield and I knife you TWICE before you died perhaps your situational awareness has something to do with it? On the flip side it feels like the when Im discovered by heavies (who are rarely alone) its essentially a death sentence if the second/third heavy has even a casual sense of the battle taking place and sees/hears a friendly dying and a rather loud cloak/decloak tell. Looking forward to the new balancing mechanism that requires cloaked infiltrators to wear a large functioning cowbell (camos purchasable in the store) and have no more than 3 seconds cloaking per minute of gameplay

[@Garlan4]

I can't say if the game will definetly dye or will survive on the long period according to the recent announcements. As a "casual player" who play it with his small outfit i can only say that in recent years i've seen a general trend on "sweaty" players and a general rewarding from the game towards stalkers, metha weapons and zergs and this is slowly driving me away from the game. maybe the devs will find a consistent pool of new players who enjoy the current situation but for now i unly see people leaving more and more

[@HansensUniverseT-A]

The game is toast. I would be a little surprised if it even survives past this summer.

[@bigmango202]

removing vehicle anti infantry and adding attacker spawns will increase pop by 100k players i swear

[@ZealousVidya]

OK I'm in

[@Immortal-lh3ew]

honestly they just need to do more marketing, no one knows this game exists

[@nani4416]

I dont think nerfing infiltators is a good idea, as an inflitator main my self, Yes i can flank people and run thru massive group of players, but when i start blasting, i can kill few people, but that does not make a difference in the scale of battle.

[@jsadecki1]

Hope is gone

[@chaotic_tier-0029]

The biggest thing I want fixed is the crashing issues

[@ThexLastxUchiha]

i never crash. its your pc

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

@@ThexLastxUchiha Nah, Esamir definitely has some problems with the game crashing. It's not super common but it is frustrating to deal with, and certain players deal with it alot.

[@Keith-to2xu]

I kinda do agree with the whole "FUD" aspect and content creators. It's a delicate time for the games life. It's been long, not many games get this far that are MMO/Online.

[@Stocastico]

Mate if you have in your top 5 weapons m12 kobalt, ppa and blueshift you can't complain if population drop 😄

[@ZealousVidya]

I've also run more public and private discord platoons than 99.9% of players, founded and maintained a successful outfit, made a bunch of popular video & text guides and helped stop people complaining about the wrong things (hurrr vs op cuz wrel, etc). It evens out ^^

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

@@ZealousVidya I do think you know that the infantry farming aspect of the game drives people away. Alot of people aren't interested in dealing with tanks or aircraft, when often they just retreat, repair and are back in the fight. You're always at a disadvantage when dealing with these verhicles. People don't like it, they start ignoring these verhicles and then the problem becomes worse. Personally I don't mind. I think it's pretty satisfying to destroy them or deter them. But alot of people aren't interested in this type of gameplay. Atleast they have to do something about Harassers and Liberators because dear god they can absolutely muscle their way through everything the opposition has. You haven't suffered until you fight 3 Kobalt harassers on Oshur. They are so fucking tanky and hard to hit. They're more durable than actual tanks for pete's sake. Liberators can atleast be AA'd (usually..) but Dalton can just rip through ESF after ESF, tank after tank from the safety of high in the sky

[@Cameron167]

I main medic, but if they ruin the fun of Infil and LA I doubt I will play the game anymore. Those classes make the game much more dynamic and interesting. I don't understand all the complaints about Infiltrators, I still think HA is by far the best class. I'm on Connery though so it's tough to play anyway with the low pop.

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

Infiltrator is broken due to how Clientside 2 works. A bolt action user can uncloak and click your head before you can physically react. Stalker infiltrators can wait years and then 2 tap you with a meta sidearm. Even SMG Infiltrators who are generally the least offensive can absolutely rip through squads, dipping into cover and concealment with cloak in the chaos of a fight. My biggest killstreaks are as Infiltrators and they're usually fairly effortless.

[@enderluca6752]

post fisu

[@ThousandTimesNo]

i've always been "casual" player. I mostly enjoy immersion of futuristic battlefield (which BF2142 failed to deliver). I've never been "good" in this game but still i have tons of fun playing medic and engineer (yep i lowkey tellin' ya my k/d sucks). Unfortunately in recent years i noticed that player base differentiate more and more in two groups - small elite farmers and large group of cannon fodder. The "middle class" seized to exist and this basically broke the game into mindless farming simulator for a few skilled players and Hell on Auraxis for the rest. Not surprised game is going down quickly.

[@ooolrak6079]

Player numbers and scale, you will get with bots. It's about the community, not player numbers which I believe you said at beginning, but it needs to be reiterated. The communities are under vicious attack. Devs are not working on safe changes, they are searching ways for humans to not be able to manipulate their bots that are being designed behind the scenes, to not be able to form artificial double teams (lattice links are the issue, not logistics, but it dulls out the game for easier implementation of bots). And the performance of PS2 is deteriorating towards unplayable levels as well, but the devs don't care. Nothing safe about this all. All focus is figuring out how to implement bots, I assume. And that's prob where the Chinese come into play.

[@GoneTwitiching]

Still getting killed inside the spawnroom from outside is the main reason a lot of beginning players quit. Huge outfits like 'zerg russ' and 'the others' do not seem to give a **** about their members cheating. Fix the flaws they abuse.

[@chrisnewbury3793]

I've played this game longer than ten years and can count on one hand how many times I've been killed "inside" the spawns.

[@GoneTwitiching]

@@chrisnewbury3793 So have I and I count more than 2 hands.

[@TimberwolfCY]

@@GoneTwitichingIf you're getting killed inside spawn rooms a lot, than that fight's over and it's time to find another fight, or another avenue for that particular fight. Fights are almost never won from the spawn room.

[@zakadams762]

Normalize merges

[@chrisnewbury3793]

This game would still be alive without Wrel give me a fucking break lul

[@ZealousVidya]

Was he not responsible for that +2k bump in early 2020?

[@chrisnewbury3793]

@@ZealousVidya I'm not saying everything he did was bad, but he wasn't the decisive factor. Planetside is much bigger than Wrel, with all due respect.

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

@@chrisnewbury3793 Alot of people disagree with that, people LOVE blaming Wrel for everything. It's a massive cope. No single human being on the planet could've brought PS2 'back'. There's simply not enough interest amongst gamers. Balance, maps and content won't change that.

[@Zertian]

Planetside 2: Do the same Shit again and again and again, win Alerts and dont have any clue why or for what (there is no really usefull Bonus for your Faction) and grind your Weapons ... yea .. thats all 🥴 Edit: I wait since Years for another Game like Ps2 and would be switch directly

[@saveamericatv3964]

Deleting comments here too? LOL the amount of censorship in this community is absolutely insane, this game deserved better, I can't wait for it to finally be laid to rest.

[@ZealousVidya]

I have not deleted a single comment Probably youtube's auto moderation

[@milsimprodigy]

Man doesn't even delete MY comments, the KZbin auto moderation is some ass

[@MachinedFace88ttv]

You ever think about doing SQUAD content? i have 12k hrs in planetside and i found somewhat of a new home there. but im not as zealous* about as i used to be about planetside in my younger years. kinda scratches the itch though. I get to have Drama in the squad platoon. Yell at command, call people bad and kick them from my squad , become friends later when were forced to play together , brings me back to the ol days '

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

Squad is fun when there's competent leadership, squads that work together and some measure of tactics. But often it turns into TDM where you sprint for 5 minutes to get 1 kill or die.

[@MachinedFace88ttv]

@@famulanrevengeance3044 I havn''t built a hab in a month, i try to run IFV infantry on DoD or Potato 2 servers. Always the first to fight and first to leave to next point. a tactic i picked up from ps2. i just replace galaxies and beacons with IFV's and Rally Flags

[@MEMUNDOLOL]

10 years i upgrade my pc every year, fps stays the same, dogshlt graphics stays the same, op shlt would not get nerfed ever, thats why game died, bcs devs did nothing, they had money to upgrade the game but they spent it on planetside arena with 11 peak players instead. and yea dont forget to buy 100$ skin

[@CritFablesNetwork]

They nerfed vanu, nuked tactical gameplay, screwed construction, messed up a lot of re-balances, fell flat on modernizing a decade old game, destroyed an entire map, failed to make a new map and have lost a significant majority of their player base. Now nerfing infils? It's like they are actively targeting great aspects of the game and destroying them on purpose. They are destroying the game, themselves, saying "going down with the ship" WHILE trying to milk whatever profit they can. I love this game, and this is just my observation. I would say this sounds a lot like Old School Runescape. Issue is, idk if there is any dedicated player base left willing to re-launch Planetside 2, when it finally fails, like there was with OSRS... Let alone data, the reason they cant revert builds is because they lost data right? RIP PS2... Merging a few different servers would be nice, Connery is DEAD, js. Cant imagine paying for an entire server that sees less then 100 total pop outside of prime time.

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

These minor balance changes were not the reason the game is dying. The game is dying because it's old and niche, while containing many 'negative gameplay' elements like getting farmed by HESH, getting zerged etc. Consequences of the sandbox.

[@tonykukush]

ship hasn't sunk though.. like at all lmao. sunk would be all servers have like 100 people or less, which just isn't true. let the new devs cook.

[@ZealousVidya]

It largely has in regards to organised players though. As I said in the video, for casuals the game is still very much alive.

[@chn_yuanbo3106]

我是一名在Connery 服务器游玩的中国玩家，对于Planetside 2我不游玩的理由很简单，96+的据点战斗让我的PC无法承受，甚至无法保持30 FPS。其次是作弊者Aim BOT会让我立刻退出游戏。社交也是很重要的一环，当你的朋友都不在游玩了，游戏要么做出改变增加PvE内容来想办法留住玩家（War Thunder）或者增加新的玩具（武器，载具，新的地图 ，新的动态据点争夺机制 {根据据点内双方玩家数量，决定开启的占领点数量，不要让96+的玩家拥挤在一个小房间内，甚至部分据点的占领点就只有一个露天的占领点很容易被天上和地面的载具玩家Spam kill} ）让依然还在游玩的玩家满意。

[@chn_yuanbo3106]

I am a Chinese player playing on the Connery server, and the reason why I don't play Planetside 2 is simple: the 96+base battles are unbearable for my PC, and I can't even maintain 30 FPS. Secondly, the cheater Aim BOT will make me immediately exit the game. Social interaction is also an important part of the game. When your friends are no longer playing, the game can either make changes and add PvE content to find ways to retain players (War Thunder) or add new toys (weapons, vehicles, new maps, new dynamic stronghold competition mechanisms) {Based on the number of players on both sides of the stronghold, decide the number of occupied points to open. Don't let 96+players crowded in a small room, and even some strongholds have only one outdoor occupied point, which is easy to be killed by vehicle players in the sky and on the ground.} This may satisfy players who are still playing. (AI translation)

[@justachipn3039]

Want to make the game better... get rid of ALL CLOKING !!! Except vehicles

[@tat.8576]

Oshur

[@T3kamthi]

many years ago, i played this daily -- to some degree life changed, but the feature creep is real. Don't like anything I've seen added in past 5 years tbh. When I try to come back to it now, it feels a little dated -- the visuals and lighting are just a little behind the time, but FPS movement in 2024 has really moved on. Dunno if it'd work, but if they had more apex style infantry movement, I'd probably come back. Also get rid of, our complete, oshur. Tanks and sundies driving in the water is dumb

[@sillybilly121212]

Your feedback is always bad. Wrel didn’t keep people playing. You don’t play regularly. The people who do hate all of wrels changes. Honestly wish youd stop posting planetside videos. You’re no longer part of the community as far as many are concerned

[@ZealousVidya]

What specifically do you disagree with? Wrel certainly didn't keep people playing and i never asserted otherwise, however he was good at attracting new players. If you consider it important, also link your account and we can compare how much we both play the game.

[@sillybilly121212]

@@ZealousVidya yeah, that's what you could never understand. It's not about new players. It's about RETENTION. It's a 10 year old game. New players are not the focus. This isn't 2012.

[@sulferix7265]

why tf is anyone still playing this when star citizen exists. much better mmofps combat content there.

[@MR-ew8tx]

These games don't realy compare at all. PS2 ist "free" to play and doesnt need a high end PC to play. SC ist a space explorstion simulation first and a shoter second. And should you die in SC it takes way longer till you're back in the fight. Plus there are no big objectives to play huge battles in SC aside from events like JT or Xenothreat.

[@sulferix7265]

@@MR-ew8tx tell me you didn't play planetside 1 without telling me you didn't play planetside 1

[@athareus4892]

@@sulferix7265 still nothing to do with planetside

[@PatrixBest]

Why would anyone play the decade-long scam that is star citizen?

[@RenderMan1337]

Star Citizen is a whale game.

[@ChaosxSpacexMarine]

It's time to BE negative... there's NOTHING salvagable here if no one is going to put money and creativity back into it. Just rip the bandaid off and shut the game down so we can have a private server.