NEW Turbosmart Anti-Lag Valve; An Introduction

We have had a lot of chatter, assumptions, and conversations surrounding our latest product release. Here, our APAC Sales Manager, Brendan, discusses some of these points, the features and common questions surrounding the new anti-lag valve with Turbosmart Head Engineer, Chris.
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[@netmatrix75]

*911 Whats your emergency?* *I heard shots!* *Ok maam what kind of shots?* *RATATATATATAW!!!!*

[@Phymatic]

Will this let me pick up chicks on McDonald's runs?

[@dennismelville7532]

Lol... unfortunately no.... only chicks you'll be picking up is Chicken McNuggets.

[@Phymatic]

@@dennismelville7532 Damn. I was hoping to spot your mother there. Just playing boo. Merry Christmas.

[@zo1dberg]

Only at Bell street maccas

[@rallysportdirect]

This is incredibly exciting! Looking forward to getting my hands on one of these :) Thanks, Rick

[@sti-uk9033]

I'm looking forward to buying it from you!!!

[@mrpsd590]

Oh look . The no discounter

[@PRZJ91]

Didn’t really go in depth on how it works. Or you went too fast and I didn’t catch it. Lol

[@jockobo]

I didn't really get it either. But I think on off throttle situations it pumps air from the turbo into the exhaust manifold to help ignite the extra fuel being dumped from the ecu for anti lag?

[@catsupchutney]

Just buy it! We bodged up something in our garage and it's magic. Never mind if it did work, then Toyota / Mercedes / GMC etc would have used it.

[@GuyX2013]

Australian accents are hard to follow

[@PRZJ91]

Sean Price yes the retarded timing ignites the fuel as it leaves the exhaust port

[@effreyjeppstein4673]

In theory your turbo could increase speed when you're off throttle if you can get enough of that secondary combustion happening... came into this a skeptic and im leaving a believer

[@jack073]

This thing will eat turbos

[@staciekiser4205]

Jack Robertson 100% but people have no idea 😂

[@ferrarikingdom]

@@staciekiser4205 anyone running a rally style Als knows the risks

[@ferrarikingdom]

@Sean Price exactly what I mean this is a product for people that want it regardless of risk

[@jack073]

@@ferrarikingdom I have a very solid feeling that the people who buy this will mainly be "stance bois", they will then proceed to shit their stock turbo right out of their exhaust lmao. But it's an awesome product if you know the risk and are willing to sacrifice your turbo in the name of keeping spool times to a minimum.

[@DeweyWRX]

@@jack073 the funny this is stock Subaru turbos (VF's) are surprisingly resilient to this sort of abuse. Not saying they would be in anyway "reliable" with this sort of abuse but they will hold up better than most. Group N proved this.

[@TheProPilot]

Forgive me: I don't understand how this works and their explanation did nothing for me lol So this does WHAT?

[@DrunkAnton]

what how anilag works or how the product works

[@chrismilne8097]

When fitted with the right ECU strategy (other hardware & tuning required) is a form of Anti-Lag known as Fresh-Air Anti-lag... It opens to allow charge air from your turbo to bypass the engine under closer throttle situations & when combined with the ECU driven ignition & fuelling strategy will ignite and provide a controlled burn in the manifold, pre-turbo keeping the turbo spinning (creating boost) for when you open the throttle again...

[@mrpsd590]

Does it come with a spare turbo? You know.. for when you kill yours

[@jakeeames725]

Couldn’t have explained it any worse with zero visuals.....

[@pulsar_sal]

You guys are late on anti lag valves 😂. They come from the factory on the 1994 Toyota Celica GT4 WRC ☺️.

[@ghosttheoremproductions5469]

"This is NOT for street toys" should be at the start and end of the video. I understand Turbosmart wants to sell products but kids are gonna throw this on their home built bs and do damage. A race engine and a street engine (no, you're "built" motor is not a race engine) are not the same thing. Not because of parts ... You can go full race build on the street technically (though it would be terrible to drive) ... But because of how the motors are treated pre/post-race.

[@kenhunt]

No one cares what the fun police think.

[@thapelomashaomasemola7922]

Who cares, engine gonna die anyway, better die in style

[@markhalden3922]

@@thapelomashaomasemola7922 while pissing everyone around you off amirite? Inconsiderate fucbois can go take this to a track like real men would do.

[@CraterLakey]

I wonder...are people that dumb to try and street an ALS system?

[@trixx6721]

can u tell me y u made this valve ME: to wake my neighbors up

[@ReygnMotorsport]

How to put unnecessary stress on your turbo.

[@jamesbutler606]

#racecar

[@chrismilne8097]

This is not a turbo safe alternative to no-anti-lag, it is a more refined & predictable alternative to ignition / throttle style anti-lag... It's not unnecessary it you think boost is necessary ;-)

[@SIRICKO]

stfu

[@stevenharpervw]

Great video but the back ground music was to loud compared to the audio

[@aaroneldridge8117]

Does the anti lag valve replace the wastegate? Or do you plumb in both?

[@marcoconuts]

Pretty sure both are plumbed in the fresh air valve (anti lag valve) pre turbo/post engine and you have the wastegate post turbo I believe? I just recently started researching this though

[@turboturbo6585]

But if you already have a stand-alone Ecu that can be set for anti lag why would you need one of these?

[@clonecaptian]

There is different types of Als this is for fresh air als which is better then simple throttle kick Al's but obviously more complex

[@tpsretard]

@@clonecaptian this does not replace a jacked throttle als system. This runs along with it.

[@ryanwolfe911]

You're thinking of 2 step, which is fake anti-lag. True Anti-lag uses fresh air and fuel injected into the exhaust manifold. 2 step/launch control, whatever you want to call it, does nothing but shoot flames and bend rods.

[@tpsretard]

@@ryanwolfe911 you do not inject fuel into the exhaust manifold. The fuel comes from the ecu mapping. You use spark limiting to let the engine spill unburnt fuel into the exhaust. But it all goes through the engine still

[@shona5512]

@@ryanwolfe911 Lol you're clueless.

[@jeffbowman8265]

Bullshit you guys made that to make everyone’s car sound like it’s farting. Rally cross my ass

[@gstmike01]

It's odd but I'm just redoing the exhaust manifold on my race car right now, got me thinking about incorporating this into the mix now :)

[@90TurboLX]

So basically turning your turbo system into a gas turbine jet engine... nice!

[@ASEWorldClassTech]

Can you imagine tuning this damn valve. Imagine how lean the O2's show when fresh air gets introduced in your exhaust. That'd be extremely tricky.

[@TurbosmartHQ]

Fresh Air ALV's aren't for the faint of heart!

[@rinodivano3565]

Could you please redo this video, but this time with the guy speaking even faster, and with louder background noise? That way I can not even bother to even try to listen.... Ok?

[@mr1hander]

adding compressor side air to the hotside will eventually destroy the hotside side wheel ub the form of stress cracks caused by the colder air hitting a wheel that is over way over 1000F

[@tysonrojas5477]

Heard this actually lowers your exhaust gas temp

[@TheDKing38]

I imagine this wouldn't be good for the life of my turbo...

[@geluix69]

The valve is only a small part of the puzzle, and also the huge strain it puts on a turbo greatly limiting it’s life span.

[@chrismilne8097]

That is correct - There is additional plumbing, potential solenoids, ECU outputs and an ECU strategy.. But saying that it will limit turbo life isn't so true. This is an alternative to traditional throttle-kick ECU driven Anti-Lag, which is far more aggressive on turbo's and manifolds. This is a controlled burn in the exhaust manifold, rather than aggressive pops and bangs other anti-lag strategies are known for. From a true Motorsport perspective, brake pedal assist from vacuum boosted system's aren't upset or disabled by this system making it arguably safer in and overall, more predictable...

[@oliverscorsim]

I did a compressed air tank in the trunk on my s70 with a g25 wot switch make air go into the turbine housing. Small compressor but when you want that instant power it's great just you get two hits before the tanks empty 😂

[@mr.c5217]

Turbosmart can I use this valve on a STOCK PCM?

[@kschong4163]

basically a blow off valve that vents air to exhaust?

[@chrismilne8097]

Sort of... the Valve is based on a Wastegate body though as it needs to handle the heat of EGT's pushing back on it to some degree. so a alloy BOV would not work. Further to that, twin chamber control from the housing ensures more accurate control (opening / closing and a linear response to a control strategy) that a BOV simply couldn't do...

[@eiccaw]

When there will be full electric version out of this valve?

[@JonathanGutierrez-em1up]

Let's go Brandon

[@pwadjo]

Probably the worst explaination I have ever heard.

[@JonathanGutierrez-em1up]

I want one of those

[@cultusmechanicus8001]

Reminds me on the old Audi system they used in the 80s .... Looks interesting

[@molak34]

It's the same thing ... Audi's Umluft

[@dogdog4173]

Doesn’t anti-lag fuck your engine ?

[@williamfarina5568]

This set-up has been factory on Mitsubishi evos for decades nothing new

[@tpsretard]

While you are correct. The Mitsubishi unit is flow limited. It is also on or off. The design of this unit flows a lot of air and with the right ecu you can even control the air flow out of it.

[@Thr33.Sid3z]

Evos don't use this type of valve

[@maikelniessen6621]

Hey, i know im a tad bit late here but i was wondering if anyone has a tuners contact info that has experience tuning the fresh air anti-lag. I have a project in process, a 2jz with an elite 2000 ecu and all i get is a one loud pop and the turbo isnt spooling yet. Was wondering if anyone was able to share ignition angle and enrichment perentage. Thank you

[@TurbosmartHQ]

We would recommend reaching out to Haltech's support team.

[@deeze33dw]

I mean doin my research... It doesn't sound to health lol but...

[@number4inthechest703]

Just don't let off the throttle problem solved

[@pourtierbeatz7804]

what are the dimensiosn in inches?

[@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK]

Sounds like a great way to blow ur motor up!

[@clonecaptian]

If you used logic of any sort you'd know this is meant for race cars not ur typical street car I'm 99% sure it was even said in the video

[@aftrnoon_ac]

TRuly ExPliCiT Fax

[@wikit1657]

En gros c'est une watsegate branché en dépression sur le conduit de sural avec une sortie pour chaque conduit d'échappement

[@RallyRat]

How is this valve different from a typical external wastegate?

[@TurbosmartHQ]

Mainly the laser etching on the cap. Otherwise they are virtually the same as our GenV CompGate40 Compressed Gas Variants.

[@railx]

I want to maintain my turbo speed getting to the mailbox

[@phelicks1579]

New Turbosmart Turbo Raper

[@blknightsixtyfo]

Just take off the waste gate and weld it shut. Non problem solved.

[@sierraco7315]

Will this work without having to set a throttle kick? I don't see what's the point if you already have an anti lag capable ecu!

[@eduardogears5259]

Its not the same style off antilag and will give you diferent results

[@sierraco7315]

@@eduardogears5259 I realize it's different, it's actually close to secondary air type of anti lag. But if you're already have proper anti lag with an aftermarket ecu, you're likely not to purchase this product. It would be great if it can operate with tunable stock ECUs such as Evos & Subarus

[@sti-uk9033]

@@sierraco7315 Aftermarket ECU's do not give "proper ALS". Proper ALS has an air pump directly pumping air into the exhaust manifold which is exactly what this valve does

[@sierraco7315]

@@sti-uk9033 by proper I meant it would produce positive boost. That would be "proper" enough for most users. This valve is not giving you any new capability if you already have an aftermarket ecu. TS needs to point out what's the advantage of such "secondary air" type of als over "classic" als. I think not having to set a throttle kick might be one minor advantage. But it's not worth $600 the cost of the valve.

[@sti-uk9033]

SIERRA Co you are correct that it probably won’t give that much better ALS than what’s already accessible through aftermarket ecu’s. If it stops aftermarket ecu’s ALS robbing vacuum from the brake booster then it’s worth it IMO. There’s been no mention if it will solve that issue though.

[@uighkgui]

Did i get this right? It's used on the hot side?? And it adds fuel to combust in the exhaust runner?

[@chrismilne8097]

It's fitted to the inlet (charge pipes) and when opens feeds charge air straight into the exhaust manifold pre-turbo.An ECU strategy then ignites the air with ful & ignition timing for a controlled burn in the manifold in order to keep the turbo spinning...

[@themissingspoon3032]

does we need using BOV when installing ALV?

[@pourtierbeatz7804]

in order to work properly you will need an accumalator tank correct? wouldnt an electric one negate having to use that making the plumbing much simpler?

[@gigabytegb]

Did you mean vacuum acumulator tank? Maybe you thonk a similar system that's I would like to do. I also thonk about a bigger steam ventury ejector to remove the air inside the compressor and a hall sensor for control the speed of the turbocompressor with an electronic westgate.

[@1magnit]

Destroy your good engine parts with ricer parts

[@supernice_auto]

dumb comment

[@evagoras92]

You have no idea what they are talking about arent you

[@K11ARLL]

@@evagoras92 😂 say that again ?

[@CraterLakey]

This is the opposite of ricer parts lol...this is actually some serious race car shit.

[@allistairwillenberg1293]

So its a wastgate with a fancy plate fitting

[@chrismilne8097]

Close... It's a Wastegate body with a modified (for purpose) actuator housing to help with true twin port control that a normal wastegate couldn't do - Wastegate's have a controlled leak down past the guide to aid in cooling & reliability which wouldn't work particularly well in this application. There are also pre-made outlets flanges designed to aid fitment & support documentation for the uninitiated so you know to get the best results from it... All things you wouldn't get from an off the shelf external wastegate.

[@Jakedelus]

@@chrismilne8097 you can mod regular wastegate and made tight bronze guide with proper clearance so it Will not allow airleak. This turbo smart ALV is quite expencive..

[@bphillips06]

2 years later.... Could this work for a remote mount turbo set up ?

[@TurbosmartHQ]

If you're talking about a rear mounted turbo, we would not recommend it

[@bphillips06]

@@TurbosmartHQ Why would you not recommend it? And thank you for the reply.

[@Itachlazcano21]

Does this fit the evo x

[@rwilko9525]

More working parts, More stuff to go wrong.

[@The_Angry_BeEconomist]

....gas would do that @2:20

[@sszhao11]

isn't recirculating valve better? keeping boost and turbo spooled up between shifts. probably too complicated to retrofit

[@zakdodgetattoos]

Simon Zhao true anti-lag like in rally cars. Recirculating Valves are good for not releasing metered air to atmosphere. Anti-lag is combustion in the exhaust manifold in order to spool the turbo, this can happen alongside a diverter valve. It means you hold boost or even build boost while off the throttle though it’s not as smooth as on the throttle boost builds

[@zakdodgetattoos]

TheProPilot I didn’t mention using one. And it wouldn’t be any different. It’s just marketing because everyone wants anti-lag these days. Looks no different than an external wastegate to me. I think it’s pointless. I was just clarifying to him that a recirculating valve or DV is different. That sits on the intake side and basically his comment was like comparing apples to oranges.

[@easycomeeasygo8901]

But the million-dollar question that they didn't answer. Will it shorten the life of your turbo? Will it damage your headers? From what I've read it does. But the teams don't care because they are sponsored and they go through Parts like crazy. Or does this new part break that rule?

[@iBoos1]

yes it will put a lot more stress on your turbo.

[@thapelomashaomasemola7922]

It will increase turbo life if properly tuned

[@pacrat90]

@@thapelomashaomasemola7922 no it will not, where do you get that misinformation from?

[@bindabbin6067]

Makes a better alternative for your valves and heads. Turbos still gonna take a beating but you gotta pay to play. Key to making 100 grand in a race season is starting with 200 😉

[@06general066]

Or buy a wastegate or bov and weld your tubes or fittings on a flange?

[@BramBiesiekierski]

bob frotic Or just run E-Throttle.

[@06general066]

Bram Biesiekierski true

[@chrismilne8097]

Neither would work as well... It's a Wastegate body with a modified (for purpose) actuator housing to help with true twin port control that a normal wastegate couldn't do - Wastegate's have a controlled leak down past the guide to aid in cooling & reliability which wouldn't work particularly well in this application. There are also pre-made outlets flanges designed to aid fitment & support documentation for the uninitiated so you know to get the best results from it... All things you wouldn't get from an off the shelf external wastegate. The alloy & rubber O-rings on the sealing side of a BOV also wouldn't handle the heat of EGT's... Functionally, your theory is right however there are some tweaks needed to make this fit for purpose.

[@rarkitorparkit]

That's all Audi Sport used on the infamous group B S1 Quattro in it's latter development circa mid 1980's. Literally just a repurposed wastegate. The system was called 'Umluft. Granted this Turbosmart device would give far superior control however. I thunked up a similar air injection bypass valve system when squeezing out a corn baby one day. This was way back pre mass interwebnet days when all we had for info were these rectangular things made from trees and covered with ink, anyway I honestly thought I was onto something, a cha ching technology winner, set for life snap on celebration and was going mad scientist on a R32 I had using it guinea-pig lab styles until while researching more bullchit I saw the s1 engine had two 'gates on it, WTF ? 2 wastegates? More research and I discovered about the Umluft system and my idea wasn't new at all....... Gutted. Cool Story Bro, I know, whatevz But shows sometimes an idea can be almost right and the only way to know is give it a hopn or if someone/something with way more squids and resources and smarts has already done it. Oh well, off to the chitta for another brainstorm.

[@andrewwright.]

Nice video

[@jeffreyl1690]

🤣😂🤣🤭🤣😂😆😑🙄

[@351kostakis]

Nice!

[@yxng_metro]

I LOVE IT!!

[@Lineage2ErtheiaPvP]

bullshit.

[@SIRICKO]

Yup u are.

[@ferrarikingdom]

cant wait to get one, have you tried it on a 20b rotary ?

[@lsx646]

ferrarikingdom I’m guessing it would work the same

[@ferrarikingdom]

only reason I wasnt sure is controlling port timing is much harder than controlling valves timing

[@lsx646]

@@ferrarikingdom if you port the heads it might help to stabilize the timing plus more hp, I see what you are saying

[@dedasdude]

RIP CAT

[@sti-uk9033]

Anyone who even thinks about this has already removed their cats

[@ValladolidArde]

don't understand the big deal about this valve, Antilag has been working with no issues or "special" valves required for "fresh air into exhaust" for more than a decade now, really don't get what all the hype is about with this thing....seems stupid to me specially how secretive they are about it

[@pfcedmonds]

Will this work on an EJ20G powered 69 bug? I've got a stand alone ecu.

[@blueonblueracingnova]

Basically a gimmick then for people who cant have a real antilag set up ?

[@chrismilne8097]

Not a gimmick... A Motorsport proven and often preferred ALS alternative. This is an alternative to traditional throttle-kick ECU driven Anti-Lag, which is far more aggressive on turbo's and manifolds. This is a controlled burn in the exhaust manifold, rather than aggressive pops and bangs other anti-lag strategies are known for. From a true Motorsport perspective, brake pedal assist from vacuum boosted system's aren't upset or disabled by this system making it arguably safer in and overall, more predictable...

[@lutherblissett9070]

This is a real piece of anti-lag hardware, it's basically a cheap replica of the DSPS unit used in top level motorsport.

[@deeze33dw]

I can't wait..... Take... My... Money!!! Now 💷

[@wendellgreenidge3362]

This seems completely pointless for most applications

[@TurbosmartHQ]

Anti-Lag is for motorsport applications only

[@chrisg4rr377]

Will this work on my N/A engine?

[@dustincomp1814]

Absolutely. Just throw on you let throttle body instead and it will give you massive power gains on first throttle hit of each gear.

[@sgt-willkillu]

Why no 6 way manifold? Does turbosmart not like 6pots?

[@mraarontorres]

this good for lighly modded 02 wrx

[@iBoos1]

yes very good. you should get 2.

[@mraarontorres]

does this replace a part or what i dont understand where i would install this

[@MING26]

@@mraarontorres - I had a 02 wrx , trust me DONT modify anything on that car.There LITERALLY made of toilet paper .... I know because I blew 2 motors (stock and built)👎

[@mraarontorres]

@@MING26 I've had my car 12 years I don't abuse it, 2 70 wheel horsepower. im all good

[@Nick-1992-SRB]

Superchargers are the best simply instant power at the gas peddle.

[@ferrarikingdom]

you are that guy commenting on an apple video that oranges are better.

[@Neishy4AGTE]

Yeh it's great until you climb the revs a bit

[@nickhowell168]

Except they aren't lmao, especially for small motors.

[@TheProPilot]

Except a supercharger is basically a turbo on a belt. And needs RPM to spin 😒

[@nickhowell168]

@@TheProPilot well, not really, unless we are talking about centrifugal superchargers (prochargers). But yes, they need rpm to spin and are a substantial power draw unlike turbos which use a resource otherwise wasted.