New Zealand finally has a government

[@brucerobertson5919]

You are a model for why New Zealand voted for big change.

[@saxdearing3395]

The exact reason

[@valeriehughes1008]

Spot on Bruce! Perhaps a good reason to raise the age of voting to 25??

[@saxdearing3395]

@@valeriehughes1008 Oh I like that idea.

[@itsjustweard2328]

That's what laber did they fired people that didn't think the way they wanted them to

[@distortedfeatures]

It has not taken 40 days. It took only 20 after waiting for the specials to come in. You dont negotiate until the entire vote is counted. In an MMP, you must respect all of the parties, not just the biggest party. At the end of the day, you need all three to make it happen regardless of size. The problem with going with only one Deputy PM is that you end up alienating the other party. Size in this matters not - it's who is the best for the role. Winston would've been the best candidate hands down. The fact of the matter is that the other two in this coalition not only have no ministerial experience, but little parliamentary experience. Clearly the country wants a change, and thats what it's time for. Weve had enough of where the previous government was taking us. Down the road of separatism and spending us into oblivion. And not to mention that if you happen to be doing well financially, you are punished. I suppose all of those doctors, lawers, entrepreneurs etc dont deserve the mobey that they earn as a result of years of hard work and sacrifice. Fare thee well old government!

[@TuiPolitics]

Oh so they were just sitting on their ass for 2 weeks waiting for specials? We all knew the gist of the government and that's why they were negotiating during that period, you're a idiot if you don't think negotiations happened the Monday after election day

[@questor55]

They would have began arranging the chairs for their first meetings during those first days during the special votes but the media would have run with attacks on their bulldozing the democratic process had they rushed things. 20 days to set the agenda for three years of a three party co-government? OMG guys! The media spent the entire time hypercoping over their failure to induce a story out of it, so all they had to run with was projecting their own impatience on the news-gobbling public. Personally I was really pleased with the announcements yesterday, particularly the niche roles for Act that were clearly crafted for the majority of the work they want to do.

[@TuiPolitics]

I agree the media took it too far, but it was a longer time then the negotiations in 2017, that's just a fact. How come it took Winston longer to negotiate with National and ACT opposed to negating with both National and Labour. Shouldn't it have taken half the time as 2017? These negotiations showed how incompetent Luxion is as a leader and a negotiator

[@stephenc8956]

@@TuiPolitics Perhaps they were being RESPONSIBLE. We shall see. Haven't listened to mainstream media the whole time, and just came across your channel, and the wait has been great! If Seymour took the deputy position the whole time he'd be hamstrung. Same for Peters. Deputies have to tow the Prime Minister's line, so sharing is reasonable.

[@Battleneter]

Similar MMP government around the world have taken literally multiple months to form, 40 days is like "so"?. If he doesn't like it push for another referendum to go back to first past the post, I'm in !

[@danielgrant-ritchie9407]

@TuiPoltics I apologise for the god awful comment section filled with boomers, keep up the content love it and very informative

[@bennconner1195]

Bro the referendum is not on the treaty but the “principles” of the treaty that were conjured up less than 40 years ago by activists.

[@Battleneter]

Yep, I think certain misguided racist policies of the last few years has really forced the issue. The reason I know Maori ceded sovereignty to the Crown apart from the fact both version state it, is because Maori started to observe British laws and rule after the signing as expected, action speak 100x louder than words. Certain activist's have been allowed to go too far trying to re-write history, its very disrespectful for what Maori achieved in the mid 1800's and sewing racism among our people with Maori ancestry.

[@valeriehughes1008]

Agree - the activists of the 1970's practically rewrote the treaty... the ancient document should be returned to original form and sealed. History cannot be changed ever... learnt from yes, but never changed... it is what it is!

[@illogicalslayer9856]

Wouldn't need the principles if the party of personal responsibility and honouring contracts actually abided by the Treaty the government signed.

[@Battleneter]

@@illogicalslayer9856 Maori ceded Sovereignty to the Crown and form the 1860's voted in representatives to be part of that same government, Maori willingly participated as they knew what they signed. When you say "the government", Maori are also part of "the government". NZ is not apartheid South Africa where one ethnic group is given more power for "insert racist reason here".

[@illogicalslayer9856]

@@Battleneter The courts have stated they never ceded sovereignty themselves after all the facts were examined. Apartheid is exactly what we had in practice for more than a hundred years and now you want to tear down the opportunity for equity because your false a historical version of the Treaty that not even the government holds to. EDIT: Also can you answer the question of why the parties of business and upholding contacts want to rip up or interpret the contract in such a way it effectively voids it? Seems to me that is not taking personal responsibility for contracts they signed to me.

[@kenhorlor5674]

Looking at both coalition agreements, I can see why it took so long. There is a lot to be taken in, a lot of change. Winston Peters has the experience, Seymour will take 18 months to come up to speed. Luxon is also out of his depth, but he has John Key in the background telling him how things work. All said, it looks good thus far, we'll see as they say. Bring on the inquiry and oil and gas. Mine baby, mine like crazy.

[@konceptgaming9469]

Stop looking at things on race and start looking at thing as a New Zealander stop the divide and start working together as one. There is only one race at the end of the day, the Human race. Willie Jackson is just a shit stirrer. Good to see Winston standing strong against foreign buyers. This is the reason a lot of kiwis can't afford houses because of foreign buyers inflating prices

[@ACR7791]

So glad we have shifted right and away from the disaster that was Jacinda & Co.

[@jameslong9921]

Love your Judith Collins Homepage banner Tui Politics. Aptly parochial.

[@bennconner1195]

Very good news with these collation agreements.

[@andrewlim9345]

Thanks, will check out more of your videos.

[@samocooper9070]

oh and a heads up, in the description, your link to the new channel is broken, i found it in search though

[@plumbus813]

The referendum will not be on whether or not we have a Treaty or not, it is on the principals of said treaty. Those have been decided entirely through judicial activism over the past ~50 years with no democratic oversight. Therefore it is required to have our LEGISLATURE sign off on those important constitutional questions, not the court system.

[@TuiPolitics]

Ah yes instead of lawyers and judges interpreting a legal document we should have a bunch of anti Maori racists decide. Make sense to me

[@andrewlim9345]

Back in 2018, the charter schools opened under the previous National government were converted to state integrated schools.

[@TuiPolitics]

Thank you for the correction. I dony support charter schools but I am far from an expert on education policy, a bit of a blindspot in my political knowledge

[@berniefynn6623]

Confiscation of lands from rebellious tribes during and after the Maori Wars was a breach of the Treaty. In the words of Sir Apirana Ngata, the first Maori to graduate from a university and probably the greatest thinker that Maoridom has yet produced, “The chiefs placed in the hands of the Queen of England the sovereignty and authority to make laws. Some sections of the Maori people violated that authority. War arose from this and blood was spilled. The law came into operation and land was taken in payment. This itself is a Maori custom revenge, plunder to avenge a wrong. It was their own chiefs who ceded that right to the Queen. The confiscations can not therefore be objected to in the light of the Treaty.”

[@valeriehughes1008]

Thank you for the very wise post... Sir Apirana Ngata was the very finest of Maori and the very finest of kiwis we was revered and respected by both cultures... he grasped with both hands education and his wisdom even today inspires us.

[@francisheperi4180]

And Winston is an adherent of Ngata.

[@valeriehughes1008]

@@francisheperi4180 Correct Winston tells the story of his Mother, a fine principled Scottish woman, who brought up all her 8 children to believe they could achieve all Apirana had achieved. She admired Apirana's greatly. The family was poor but always learnt the value of education and belief in their own ability to achieve through their own merits... this down to their Mother's faith in her children... I think old Winston's Mum would have been proud of him.

[@marketing8096]

Whoever won this election is inheriting a country with massive debt + a cost of living crisis. it's not a popular idea to cut govt jobs and reduce spending but it needs to happen. I do look forward to a govt who seems to be more focused on the core areas of economy, healthcare, education etc and less on social issues that have been very divisive here in New Zealand or Aotearoa, whichever name you prefer to use.

[@pebblepod30]

What a terrible housing policy, forreign ppl should not be allowed to own ANY local homes like in other countries.

[@OldOneTooth]

Where's all the tail wagging the dog and what part of the dog is the 3rd party?

[@yahmom626]

@TuiPolitics my genuine apologies for your comment section, I did not know the boomers came in tow just to be salty and whine

[@stevehughes1510]

A solid Govt of three wise men to run the country. With all due respect Tui, your critique is absurd and off balance. NZ's back to commonsense governance, we'll all be more secure as a nation thank God.

[@TuiPolitics]

Three wise men? You have to be kidding. Winston is a joke and luxion and Seymour have no government experience. This will be a joke government

[@stevehughes1510]

@@TuiPolitics Well it's Christmas and the three wise blokes happen at this time don't they. Who would you have running the country in future?

[@stephenc8956]

@@TuiPoliticsJust came across your channel. So far you come across as a young, pasty, cynical, ignorant, opinioniated tw@t.. Get a real job, in construction or agriculture for example, live in the real world for a while, then you may have a more reasonable opinion..

[@valeriehughes1008]

Very true the young lad Tui has a lot to learn - his elk is probably was the reason why in days past the voting age was 25 years... a bit of growing up needed, good old fashioned life experience and learning that life is not "all about me". I have studied all the policies signed off as policy by the coalition and they offer much for our young and fair country with a future, a country worth working for and certainly one worth returning to!

[@stevehughes1510]

@@valeriehughes1008 Yes Varlerie as you say life's a learning process. These young kids haven't got a grip on living in a democracy other than what they can take from it, haven't seen the harsh realities of other forms of governance in other countries or know the history in our last few centuries, no clue, until the penny drops later on.

[@samocooper9070]

Good to see the other side of the argument, although you probably jumped the gun a bit, there is quite a few errors in your reporting. Just as an example, the treaty is not being deleted, they're just talking about what the principals are and finally putting them in law. I do understand why you got so much wrong though, the media is not reporting the truth, you need to check the facts. The agreement is freely available. Having said all that some of your points are bang on, and its great so see your view. thanks mate

[@Ginlah]

For some politicians like Winston, its all about the power and status and a title like Deputy PM is much better than not having it. Also its a larger salary and more perks. Politics is petty! Michael Laws wrote a good book about it ages ago, I think its out of print, making the case that (NZ) politicans are all narcissists, some psychos and all want to be PM. But its hard for them not to be when the public are so disrespectful and cruel to them everywhere they go. They used to do town halls, not so much nowadays.

[@GaryGraham-sx4pm]

winston's eighteen months having to drink champagne in aeroplanes will be worth it for the knighthood

[@DannyBrouwers]

Ha ha love listening to sore losers

[@illogicalslayer9856]

Did you cry like Mike Hosking in 2017 and 2020?

[@ProfessionalBadPerson]

🎵 I took the RIF 🎵

[@rexcowan9209]

Take the lead from Italy Argentina and the Netherlands, and give socialist policies the boot.

[@TuiPolitics]

You clearly don't know what socialism is

[@stevehughes1510]

@@TuiPolitics And you do ?? Explain please if you will.

[@valeriehughes1008]

​@@TuiPolitics We do indeed understand what socialism is all about having just lived through the very worst socialist government in our history - the extreme socialist Ardern once the leader of the Communist youth... then her sidekick Hipkins are/were great socialists... but in fact they are COMMUNISTS. They did their best to take away all the democratic rights of the people... best way to control them - democracy hinders control! First the buy out of msm meant they controlled what we were told, then they almost managed to shut down our free speech.. if you disagreed you must be talking "hate".. If you dared to challenge and question you were told "you must believe only me - I am your single source of truth"... yeah right, where did we hear that line before... oh right, a fellow called Adolph used it as his byline when controlling the German masses! We were the first truly democratic country in the world when in 1840 our treaty made all its citizens equal - with equal rights and voting power... equal irrespective of their ethnicity or the colour of their skins. This treaty also meant Maori were not colonised.. you can't be colonised when your country was started with a treaty making you equal citizens. The USA would have to fight their civil war of 1860's, some 20 years later than our treaty, to try to gain the same rights for their people. The Great Assembly of Chiefs in 1860 saw Chiefs from all over NZ gather in Kohimaramara and their overwhelming response to having lived 20 years to that point under the treaty was extremely positive. The treaty had put an end to the Maori Musket Wars that raged 20 + years started by Hongi Hika and which saw 1/3 of the then Maori population wiped out and the genocide of the Moriori... it also put an end to land grabbing by utu, slavery and cannibalism. The Chiefs (especially the smaller tribes) had started to flourish and trade under the protection of the crown... Maori were becoming sound traders and businessmen grabbing all the education they were given and as a result we have some great Maori scholars in our history.

[@rexcowan9209]

Straight out of the play book, denials challenges. You can't have a reasonable conversation with modern socialists as they have become fascists.

[@rippedup1931]

@@TuiPoliticshas socialism ever worked?

[@arawiri]

It wasn't forty days.

[@EggsBenAddict]

I wasn't alive during the foreshore and seabed controversy, what was it?

[@TuiPolitics]

You will learn all about it in my Maori party video, but it was essentially the courts ruling iwi may have land rights over the foreshore of nz and the government seizing all of it without any purchase or agreement. There were mass protests at the time and lead to the Maori party being formed

[@OldOneTooth]

Alternative revenue streams and service cuts

[@bennconner1195]

Was handing over control of those parts of the country to iwi, even though it’s got nothing to do with the treaty.

[@EggsBenAddict]

@@TuiPolitics I see now, thanks bud.

[@TuiPolitics]

The law is pretty clear that if there is no property rights over something then indigenous land rights can be honoured. Forshore and seabed was a straight up confiscation of land, and national know that too that's why the repealed it (and put in something almost as bad, but they clearly knew the original was wrong)

[@nzajflynn]

We should just be thankful thhat labour/greens are gone and hopefully can start putting the pieces together. Probably took so long because Peter's wouldn't budge on what he wanted and he was necessary for the coalition. Seems like a pretty good result for the country. Only time will tell.

[@valeriehughes1008]

Yes and after reading in depth the policies Peters managed to have signed off on - thank goodness he did push hard for them.. they are what the majority of kiwis wanted desperately and Peters certainly has delivered. All in all the 3 coalition partners have done very well with strong and sound policies and Christopher Luxton has done well mastering it all... we will have a fair country worth working for and a future for our children.

[@valeriehughes1008]

​@@RabbitSir And you little Bunny need to grow up ... stop slinging abuse and actually know what you are talking about!

[@nzajflynn]

@@RabbitSir couldn't be any worse than the previous government. Il withhold judgment for now.

[@valeriehughes1008]

@@RabbitSirNo my praise of him and also Seymour and Luxton was after I had read in depth all the policies that they have passed and signed off as part of their coalition agreement policies - these policies will take our country forward.. I rarely make judgements from video clips usually made and commented on by very bias journalists with specific agendas.. the policies they have worked on are sound and give the people a way forward and a country worth working for as one people.. something Labour never got, they bullied, and forced upon people their form of politics, thought they knew better than anyone else and never gave the people the right to formulate their own opinions... that is why everything backfired greatly on them. .

[@valeriehughes1008]

@Gavin-sc8hythe depth of concern over the books was not going to be available until the new government was sworn in and the books officially handed over... there were hints and warnings from treasury as to their state but not all could be revealed until official hand over... what is your problem we have just had 5 years of the very worst controlling socialist government (in truth the worst of communism) which did its best to destroy the county and take away all our democratic rights. The majority of us we are very relieved they have gone!

[@berniefynn6623]

There are two conflicting versions of the Treaty one in English and the other in Maori. There is only one Treaty and it’s in Maori - (Te Tiriti). It was signed by around 500 chiefs. It was translated from the English draft, known as the Littlewood document. Hobson’s secretary, James Freeman, later made some English replica versions of the Treaty, adding his own phrases here and there. Those were neither drafts of the Treaty nor translations of it. But one of these replica versions in English was signed by some chiefs at Waikato Heads because the genuine manuscript copy intended for signing had not arrived in time for the meeting. By the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975 the government has adopted this illegitimate version, signed by a mere 49 chiefs in the abovementioned circumstances, as the “official” English Treaty, displacing Te Tiriti that was signed by nearly 500 chiefs!!!! The Treaty of Waitangi is a “living document.” Wrong. The Treaty was merely the pre-condition for establishing British rule, which Governor Hobson did by proclamation later in 1840. By the end of 1840, the Treaty was regarded as having performed its function, viz. acceptance by the chiefs of British sovereignty in exchange for full British citizenship for all Maoris. It’s only become a “living document” for those who want to expand its meaning so as to give ever more spurious rights to the tribal elite -­ including people like former Labour Deputy Prime Minister, Michael Cullen, who, since his retirement from Parliament has become the highly paid chief Treaty negotiator for the Tuwharetoa tribe for which, interestingly, if not worse, he used his ministerial position to grant a generous part of the nation’s forests under the Treelords deal a short time earlier.

[@Battleneter]

Yep, Maori elected their first representative into parliament in the 1860's. It was pretty obvious as that government formed, Maori did not have 50% of the vote (co governing), and yet there was no Maori protest as Maori knew exactly what they signed, they had become British citizens with equal British citizen rights, that was a huge payoff for ceding sovereignty. NZ was certainly no happy Utopia prior to Europeans arriving, ironically the treaty bought peace to Maori vs Europeans, and Maori vs Maori as British law effectively prohibited further tribal wars. Here in 2023 the British Crown no longer rules NZ, its bizarre so many people have been mislead as to the meaning of that tiny document from the 1840's.

[@richardchapman6340]

God, this guy is bull dust ! , and like is used as in you "like something "

[@valeriehughes1008]

Yeah, like I agree, like he's full of it like, he's only 5 minutes old like, and he knows it all like, his life experiences are like totally out there like, and sadly like his socialist control party was kicked to the curb like! Grow up little Tui learn to speak, study history and policy and perhaps one day you will be taken seriously!

[@valeriehughes1008]

@@RabbitSir As a historian who has studied NZ history for the past 45 years, yes I do know a lot about our early history and much about the original dialects the treaty was written in and signed off in ... throw into that mix I am a 7th generation kiwi who had ancestors at the treaty table. I suggest it is you who needs to study our history - and that's not just the rewritten activist sanitised beat up version of our history. A good tip before you mouth off and show your extreme ignorance...know who you are trying to rubbish they could quite well have the ability to turn the tables on you!

[@valeriehughes1008]

@@RabbitSir The Public Works Act today is still used and people are hurt by it... just ask all those people who lost their houses for a cycle way that never happened while they had their houses undervalued by 1/4 million and virtually taken off them by a very corrupt Labour Govt 2 years ago .... all these people had no recourse and the injustice and stress of what they went through was great ..the common excuse used by the Government was "for the greater good" so we do not have to look to the past for injustices - they are still happening today... both your people and mine have probably got stories in common.

[@illogicalslayer9856]

@@valeriehughes1008 Why are you against upholding the Treaty as it was drafted in the Māori version where two (or more) nations could live in peace on the same land instead of settler colonists get to do genocide to people they see as not fully human?

[@valeriehughes1008]

@@illogicalslayer9856 You have the wrong name attached to this post... I am a great lover of the treaty as a 7th generation kiwi with an ancestor at the treaty table in 1840 the treaty has always been close to my heart... I just did not like the rewrite of the treaty in the 1970's modernising it and adding more than was in the original document, the modern twist, the original document I felt should not have been fiddled with. I want to see it returned to its original form... which called for us all to be one equal people with equal rights... it was a fine document and our ancestors did us proud with their intentions for us as a country...they wanted us one equal people to go forward together as one and to build a nation side by side. By the way Maori were not colonised... you cannot be colonised if you have a treaty making you an equal citizen. .. the only genocide in NZ was when Maori raged the musket wars for 20 years against their own kind and wiped out 1/3 of their own population and committed genocide on the Moriori in that timeframe. The treaty put an end to these wars, land grabbing by utu, slavery and cannibalism.. These were hard and cruel days - especially for the more gentle tribes as they were preyed on by the more vicious tribes and were hunted without mercy. Do some proper research and do not believe all the modern activist sanitised version of Maori history... rewritten to make Maori feel they were victims and were colonised .. Your early ancestor Chiefs felt the only chance their tribes had was with the protection of the crown and because of this welcomed the signing of the treaty in 1840.... the Great Assembly of Chiefs in 1860's proved this point when the majority of the Chiefs reported after 20 years under the treaty they were starting to rebuild and grow in numbers, starting to trade with the settlers and their lives had become more peaceful and their tribes were prospering... around this time in 1860 the English scholar Samuel Lee and Hongi Hika worked together to form the basis of Te Reo - from a small number of northern tribal dialects. the noble intention was to give Maori a united language for trade and communication with the settlers... the birth of Te Reo was fought against by Maori themselves as many saw its introduction would be the cause of their sacred tribal dialects being lost... in most cases this has happened.. Be proud of what our ancestors achieved together we were the first truly democratic country in the world in 1840 with all our citizens having equal rights... the USA had to fight their civil war in the 1860's to achieve what we had already had for 20 years. I might add early Maori grabbed education with both hands and we had many very fine Maori scholars as a result... remember the old and very true saying from your people and mine... "together we are strong... separated we are weak"... remember Maori and early settlers built this nation together, side by side and so it should always be.

[@valeriehughes1008]

I have read in depth and studied all the policies brought to the coalition table agreed on and signed off on .. they are outstanding and will deliver us a truly democratic country worth working for and a country with future hope for our young ... you seem to be mouthing off without studying what this coalition intends to achieved with the policies they want to implement .. well done Christopher Luxton for putting it all together... how about spending more time in your research, Tui - your ignorance, lack of knowledge of history is showing through! I actually think Luxton did the clever thing.. splitting the Deputy roll..

[@erwerwewerwer4575]

I'm not sure why but the algorithm brought me here, but never again. A lot of personal attacks and not much substance for the 3 minutes that I saw. I hope the quality of your arguments improve, and wish you all the best with your channel.

[@quinnrimmer3884]

Dude you have lost all impartiality, this isn't Tui's politics its Tui's left wing cry session, honestly and your misunderstanding on the Treaty Principles Bill is so gross and so scare mongering because you will not take the time to understand the proposed bill. Which is simply pushing back on the judiciary and re affirming / codifying some very good principles for both maori and non maori

[@quinnrimmer3884]

@@RabbitSir it isn’t a reevaluation though, this is the same document with the same text, it is just codifying rights and principles into law. Effectively giving a sprit to a constitution we do not have

[@Forgoodnesssakeendha]

@tuipolitics. David Seymour is Maori.

[@TuiPolitics]

Ask his co deputy prime minister how Maori he is "david syrmour discovered his maoriness how James Cook discovered NZ, by accident "

[@Battleneter]

@@TuiPolitics ahhhh are you suggesting you have to behave like a Maori activist to be a Maori, or have to be some percentage of Maori to be a Maori?, kinda sounds a little racist mate. Many Maori (the majority) are extremely embarrassed by what has been going on, Winston is another one.

[@matthewrutter7062]

@@TuiPolitics so how do you define being maori? what fraction of maori do you have to be to be maori?

[@TuiPolitics]

I'm just quoting the deputy prime minister, if you think hes a racists why do you support this government?

[@Battleneter]

@@TuiPolitics To stop racism. If you are asked "should all Kiwis have equal rights regardless of skin color or ethnicity" and your answer is anything other than a definitive YES, you are a racist regardless of your agenda good intentioned or not.

[@g-mech1244]

You must be really hurting inside. Too bad.

[@itsjustweard2328]

So the treaty of waitangi was a document signed between Colonial settlers and Maori for the Maori to have equal rights as Colonial settlers. Not separate rights because of race.and you want to talk about brown people beening shit on Well what about two boys one white one brown being brought up under the same system .boy 1 White.with working mum only she works take home pay 25 dollars an hour.brown boys mum take home pay 35 dollars an hour white boy's mother has to try and come up with money for his tools and his apron and all his gear for the trade he wants to do Brown boys mum gets it fully subsidised.whites boys mum has to pay 300 dollars for an x-ray cose she's very sick Brown boys mum gets it fully subsidised.white boys mum needs a colonoscopy .but she can't have one unless she pays 4000 dollars to go private because she's not eligible because she's dosnt meet criteria she not 60 brown boys mum meets criteria because she's brown. I could go on so please tell me how all that is not racist and how there getting shifted on because all those that I have just started are fact.

[@dreinhard52]

What a total useless commentator .....jeez

[@berniefynn6623]

SOD co governance and consulting, WHAT have maori done to make this a country??WHO brought the iron age here and science and health and education and buildings, so the EUROPEAN made this a country, so why do we consult with those who had nothing to do with this.???????????????????

[@berniefynn6623]

@@RabbitSir The Maoris did not cede full sovereignty at Waitangi in 1840. This lie has recently been put out by the Waitangi Tribunal at the behest of part-Maori radicals. By Article One of the Treaty the chiefs ceded full sovereignty of these violent and anarchic islands to Queen Victoria forever as the speeches of Rewa, Te Kemara, Kawiti and other chiefs of the time show. Twenty years later at the Kohimarama (Auckland) conference, the largest gathering of chiefs in New Zealand history, they declared that full sovereignty had been ceded in 1840. If the chiefs did not cede sovereignty, they would have continued their cannibalism, which meant a lot to some of them.

[@berniefynn6623]

@@RabbitSir The Treaty of Waitangi was a “partnership” between the Crown and Maori. No. Full sovereignty was ceded to Britain in 1840 as Britain, at the time the greatest empire in the history of the world, did not go in for “partnership” agreements with Stone Age chiefs who had been unable to bring peace and order to their own lands. Indeed, one of the instructions of Colonial Secretary, Lord Normanby, to Captain Hobson, was to walk away if full sovereignty could not be ceded as, without it, Britain would have no legal basis for bringing order and peace to the islands. No special concessions or “partnership” were mentioned in the Treaty for the simple reason that there was no partnership. This was clearly understood by all parties until the Maori radical movement got off the ground in the 1980s. Realising that by the words of the Treaty they could not get superior rights over other New Zealanders, they invented the “partnership” concept for that very purpose. For reasons of cowardice, treason or self-interest, others, politicians, judges, bureaucrats - have bought into this lie. It is also being taught in our schools in an effort to soften up the next generation for a whole new tranche of tribal demands. There are principles of the Treaty. No, the Treaty was a very simple document of only three Articles, none of which mentions “principles” or “partnership.” Since the Treaty gave equality for the first time to all the people of New Zealand, the grievance industry of the late twentieth century knew that they could not get special race based privileges from the Treaty itself and so, 150 years after the event, they invented for the first time the fictions of “principles” and “partnership” to give them what the Treaty does not.

[@joachimpetersen2301]

​@RabbitSir what a load of bs. The chiefs understood exactly what they signed. There are many secondary documents that show this. They were debating weather they should give up soverignty prior to signing and after signing letters by chiefs themselves saying they had given up sovereignty. The maori wars were by chiefs regretting signing (hona heki), by chiefs that didn't sign (Waikato- kingitanga movement). Alot of also had to do with nz government not doing there part of bargain. Protecting maori property rights. For the most part the moari knew exactly what they were signing.

[@joachimpetersen2301]

@@RabbitSir i agree the chiefs expected a certain amount of autonomy but they also understood that the higher authority would be the crown /NZ government. Hence not a partnership.