News 5 Investigates: Customers raise concerns with Leaf Filter gutter guards

[@realtyrocks1969]

I got a quote from Leaf Filter and Leaf Guard. No doubt Leaf Guard is a great product but they wanted $14,000 to do my house. Ended up buying a different system online from Menards at about $1.50 a foot and installed it myself. I spent about $140 to do my entire house and had it up in about an hour. Couldn't be happier.

[@billdee814]

You have to do it yourself now days. Everyone wants to much money for what they do.

[@joeking433]

There IS doubt that Leaf Guard is a "great product". It's a joke at the prices they charge!

[@Sausketo]

Did you get the curved black plastic stuff that just hook into the gutter? We had ones like that, but our tulip tree droppings were getting wedged in, and when enough stuff was jammed in, then leaves started getting caught, one fall i finally ripped them out because i was tired of cleaning under them

[@realtyrocks1969]

@@Sausketo Armor Lock Gutter guards. They are metal and work amazing and inexpensive.

[@royaltyb1837]

Do you live in a cold climate? If so, did you experience any ice dams with the product you used.

[@scottstappswife]

Greatful they did this story, they just saved me from wasting what little money I have

[@badge03]

i called Leaf Filter for a free estimate a yr or so ago,,,,the guy came & proceeded to get his ladder & measuring tools , jumped up & got down to business; working, measuring, figuring, up & down the ladder in front,,,,then went to the back & proceeded to do the same thing so i calmly told him,,,"ulm, hey buddy,,,my house is 80 ft long back here same as up front except the front porch makes the 80 ft length divided in 3 sections!" his reply was, "well,,,i have to earn my money!",,,,,so i said,,"ok,,,,just trying to save you some time!" it was about 2 hrs later when he finished & handed me the estimate,,,,,i just looked at him like he was a highway robber & asked, "$7, 450??? ,,,,seriously man,,,where is my quote?" so he said that was what he figured & so i said,,,,well Dude,,,no way i can afford that now or in the future & i started heading for my front door which made him yell that he couldnt afford to drive up here all the way from Memphis for nothing which stopped me in my tracks so i quickly said, 'GO COMPLAIN TO YOUR COMPANY, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SAID FREE QUOTES!!" pfft!! my first & last conversation with those numnuts!! ha

[@kennethjohnston1891]

Sounds like my exact story with Leaf Filter. The guy actually got irritated and mad because I would not commit to it at that exact moment! Said he had driven over an hour to get there.

[@BlahBlah-em2ed]

Why so many commas?

[@ale_the_ia9033]

“Leaf Filter” is a scam company, and I’m here to inform anyone who’s thinking about having them installed. I had them put on my back patio gutter, only, was $3,000. That was a year ago this past March, and the gutter is already clogged. So I called them to have someone sent here to fix that. They said it would cost me $97, because my one year warranty was up. So much for their so called “Lifetime No Clogs Guarantee” 😑

[@markmolinari777]

Congratulations on saving youself from these shysters. Good for you! There is no alternative to keeping your gutters & downspouts from overflowing than to have to actually getting up on your roof every year and physically cleaning your gutters. If you do that, your gutters will always work and you won't have any problems. Also, half the time the reason gutters overflow is because the DOWNSOUTS are blocked up. So, you have to make sure those are running every year also. There is no other alternative.

[@RoseanneSeason7]

​@@markmolinari777I put foam pool noodles in my gutters. Keeps 60% of the leaves out

[@jenniferlawrence1372]

They came out to quote a small section of our house that was on the second floor so we couldn’t clean them. It was about 15 feet total. They quoted $2450. I jumped up from my chair and said “well I’m sorry we wasted your time”. The salesman didn’t stand and said “well what were you thinking.” I said “we had a quote from another company for $540.” He called his manager (of course) and got him to approve $580. So that tells you the markup. They were still making a profit at $580 but wanted to charge $2450.

[@tycarnes1909]

Years ago my company did leaf filter jobs. We would do the mesh filter as well as gutter replacement. One day we show up at a trailer park to one of their jobs and find out that the company had charged this trailer owner $10,000 for new 6in gutter and mesh filter. There were three runs of gutter total on the customers trailer, maybe 120ft total. For my company to come in today and do that much gutter and install a leaf filter that is aluminum and a product that actually works would be somewhere sub $2000. Leaf filter is not only a scam but criminal

[@anony-ic3pz]

I wish I could hire you out here on the east coast

[@donnahagen3053]

Glad I saw this. Was going to have it done but not now.

[@dezfyah]

Funny how they would not respond to this guy complaints until the news media got involved. Shows you that they really don't care about customers.

[@doreenkindle438]

They don't care about their customers. They want to adjust our gutters to fix their product defect. I say no way to lowering our gutters. Had to go thru BBB and their Investigator + Dispute Resolution Consultant with BBB, gives LeafFilter a "good faith effort", deems us dissatisfied with LeafFilter response and then closes the claim. Just unf@# real.....

[@terryhenry8243]

LEAFFILTER IS PURE GARBAGE!! VERY EXPENSIVE RIP OFF. DO NOT BE MISLED. THESE THINGS RESOLVE 0000 NOTHING. THEY JUST CAUSE MORE, ALBEIT DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. BUYER BEWARE!!!

[@SWa-cc5gi]

Sounds like fake news

[@dave2207]

Got the same price gouging quote as others have said here. Started at approx. $11,500 and ended up at around $4800. Very old high pressure sales tactic and yes they almost demand that both decision making adults be there. The salesman used the old “let me call my boss for a better price” thing like used car salesmen. Just told them I wanted a quote and would not buy tonight, salesman left and never called back. Not a very professional sale approach in my opinion, buyer be ware, look around before you commit.

[@leehitt4704]

Was that LeafGuard, or LeafFilter?

[@dave2207]

It was Leaffilter

[@JohnVannoy]

Oh yes the old "your wife must also be home" stipulation. That's a deal breaker for me!

[@shanonvuylsteke2166]

I wish I would have done a lot more research. I would have never installed these guards on our gutters. We had a very small amount of rain and it came straight over the top of the guards. Customer service is no help they absolutely do not care about their customers. We are fighting this the best we can but they only send a service tech out once a month. My first clue should have been when I asked if they have their own installers he said yes they do so not to worry they won't hire anybody out of Madres. The more I thought about that was how he just discriminated and how non-transparent he is. From the installation to them being up there to the customer service it's all a scam. It makes me so sick that we fell for this.

[@DrChim_Richels]

My house came with Gutter Helmet. Not only do they freeze then melt and drip onto the driveway and deck and then refreeze, they also create a buildup of ice back onto the roof. I dread the next time we replace our roof and have no doubts we will be spending extra to replace the rotted wood from all of that water damage. I agree with those saying just pay someone to clean the gutters out once or twice a year and you’ll save a ton of $ in the end.

[@placesaroundus]

I love how the thumbnail says 'homes will be damaged or destroyed' which is actually 100% correct

[@greggorr314]

Per the Ferengi rules of acquisition, "Once you have their money you never give it back."

[@thedemocrat3786]

THANK YOU NEWS 5 YOU GUYS R AWSOME! YOU GREAT INVESTIGATED REPORTING WAS VERY HELPFUL😎👍

[@laverdadesmejor]

HILARIOUS! The video is about "investigating" Leaf Filter company and the lead-in pop up ad is for the same company! 🤣🤣🤣

[@11ape11]

I used to work for leaf filter and what they do , is that leaf filter charge the installer for those problems, for example if i install those and there is a problem they charge me for that problem, and the point is the pay me a dollar por feet, but when there is a problem they charge more money to the installer and after that you say i quit

[@AllenAndMarie]

I used to install for them as well. They are trying to charge me for a home I installed on 3 years ago. The plastic vinyl is all cracked up due to the constant winds and cold air of Kansas.

[@jomoland]

@@AllenAndMarie man that’s terrible!

[@jomoland]

@@AllenAndMarie so in your opinion, being someone who installed them, are these gutters even worth the hefty price tag? I’m in California and don’t get snow at all. Just hail and that’s only 1-2x a year.

[@supercatforever]

@@jomoland no they are not. Am an installer as well. Do not buy this piece of crap.

[@Ashuraohma]

@@supercatforeverhow was your experience working for them?

[@wiheta]

I, too, was rooked! I got Leaf Filter in

[@dakritic]

Saved me a huge headache. Thank you

[@jazzfan7491]

I have this in So Cal. Take note, the advertising says “clean, seal and realign” but the contract only says “install”. Make sure the contract states what you want it to state.

[@LarryLunchbox]

At those prices I’ll have my gutters cleaned twice a year for $150

[@squirming_squirrels]

This is what I just can’t comprehend. If you’re so stupid to install a product that costs 2-3x more than the gutters they’re going on to and a fraction of the cost to just have them cleaned professionally you kind of get what you deserve. Don’t know if it’s pride or i capability to math, but it’s just stupid.

[@jeremys959]

I clean mine myself for $0

[@squirming_squirrels]

@@jeremys959 you don’t value your time enough.

[@jeremys959]

@@squirming_squirrels no, it's part of being a homeowner and doesn't take but 20-30 minutes

[@squirming_squirrels]

@@jeremys959 I get that, but it costs “something” your time is worth something. Whether your time is worth more or less than what you’re willing to pay someone to do it is up to you - we all have that cutoff - it’s not a stab at anyone, it just depends on a lot of different factors - how much you mind doing it, how long it takes you, safety considerations and the confidence you can do it safely.

[@ljpeterson1434]

Wish I had seen this report before I began dealing with this company. A year after your investigation and they haven't changed. I've been fighting with them since the install last spring and the job still hasn't been fixed. Dreading winter after seeing this.

[@alyboy9]

They know the shit doesn't work but they happily sell it at insane prices anyway. People should sue their asses.

[@Little_Bitz]

I just had it installed and I was specifically shown pictures of ice damming by the rep as a reason why to choose leaf filter. They told me having these installed will help PREVENT this, not cause it. Now I’m definitely nervous about this upcoming winter.

[@dasfunkshhtine1858]

Do you live in Michigan? I own a gutter company I can rip that shit off there for you

[@billmthacker]

oaf Filter is total scam. They take advantage of the elderly by Bait and Switch tactics. My parents ordered the Leaf Filter system and they installed a regulars gutter hoping no one would notice They then refused to fix the situation blaming my parents for their company scamming them. Don;t do business with scammers!!

[@beckysartor]

I'm in the same boat. They lied to us repeatedly and our garage is at the top of a big hill. May not make it out this winter. Darn those scammers!!

[@sammyd5865]

I installed Leaf filter for the majority of this last summer.... Honestly, it's expensive AF, and depending on what kind of trees you have, it's not a game changer..... Much cheaper to hire someone to clean the gutters twice a year

[@jeffdyrland2795]

I’m a seamless gutter installer in MD and most of our work is renovation. I can’t tell you how many houses we have ripped this stuff off of, because the homeowners are that unhappy with it!

[@madestmadhatter]

Is it just the freezing thing? Because that's not an issue where I live, and their offer is seriously tempting.

[@jeffdyrland2795]

@@madestmadhatter it’s not just the freezing. It’s micro mesh. While it does keep leaves out, the mesh collects everything else. Pollen, shingle grit, dirt, etc… the pollen is esp bad because it sticks to the mesh and blocks the water from entering the gutter completely! The company is run by a bunch of crooks. Their prices are insane. If you have them install, it’s the last you will hear from them. Any tentative issues in the future, they won’t answer your call.

[@allthingsconsidered3170]

It's totally crap just like someone using corrugated pipe for under ground drainage. Debris will get stuff and clogged in the pipe. Only use 4inch pvc thin wall for drainage unless under concrete driveway use sch40.Because of pressure

[@jeffdyrland2795]

@@allthingsconsidered3170 no kidding! I saw corrugated pipe buried underground far too much over the years.

[@allthingsconsidered3170]

@@jeffdyrland2795 Yes that crap has made me a ton of money lol

[@treeguyable]

Crap still gets in, build up gets neglected, hard to get to, and pine needles, what a disaster on these things.

[@elsawehner1702]

LeafFilter is an unethical company, they do damage more than good. It has damaged my roof edge and caused the fascia board rotten. When I made complains about it, the installation manager said to me :" We don't care about your roof and drip edge, we don't know about the roof thing. Our job is to install gutter protection. "

[@bubbajohnson137]

I’m not defending them but leaf guards definitely didn’t cause this. It’s just not possible

[@henrycrawford2697]

they can screw up a wet dream

[@allthingsconsidered3170]

I have been blowing off roofs for over 28 years. I would never recommend a guttet guard The concept is a good idea but you will have more trouble than it's worth. The guards will get caught up with leaves on top of guard and the rain will pour over your gutters. So therefore the gutters are obsolete . Also you should never pay over 3 dollars a feet .

[@webblink1]

3 dollars a feet?? U are insane.

[@allthingsconsidered3170]

@@webblink1 I pay right at 3 bucks a foot installed

[@Carlos-fi3xr]

I work there it's a 40 a foor

[@allthingsconsidered3170]

@@Carlos-fi3xr 3 dollars a foot installed all-day here all year. 40 is a rip. Well the whole system is a rip off . Like I said in my first comment.

[@chrismarthaller1032]

@@allthingsconsidered3170 what's a rip off about it?

[@TCBabcock]

My mom paid $6000 for these. Seems like she got absolutely rooked. What a shame this world we live in where companies take advantage of you whenever they can. It makes me not trust anyone. How can I not have trust issues when I never get anything good from other people?

[@laverdadesmejor]

ANYONE who would spend $6000 on this ridiculous product should not be in charge of their own finances!!!!

[@TCBabcock]

@@laverdadesmejor it was my elderly mother. Please don’t be so rude.

[@poboy942]

No necessarily , no gutter guards can stop ice and snow ..all you gotta do is spread alittle salt out there underneath the drip and forget about it

[@davidpeppers551]

My contractor neighbor says none of these kinds of products work. You'll still have to get up there and clean.

[@jimbo2325]

@@TCBabcock Maybe you should e watching out for Mom more.

[@brianbassett4379]

I had Leaf Filter put on my gutters 10 years ago and the only issue I have is once a year I have to clean about 4' of mesh that plugs with pine pollen. 5 mins with a brass brush and I'm good till next year, never had an issue with snow or ice. If your gutters are old crap in the 1st place they need to be replaced prior to installing Leaf Filter. Everyone stay safe.

[@johncalebsnyder]

I'm about to have them installed on my home. According to the sales guy I spoke with, if they EVER clog, you get all your money back. I was told I won't even have to clean them. You may want to let them know next time.

[@skylane765]

Come on look when it rains hard and the water jumps the filter

[@brianbassett4379]

@@johncalebsnyder The gutters will never clog but the screens can get coated in pollen and all the debris that comes off trees. They aren't perfect but they work well for most people. I have several tall pines that border the house and the screens get coated... clogged in a couple areas where the roof has high runoff and concentrates the pollen... not clogged, but also not working. They aren't zero maintenance but they work well for many situations. Take everything with a grain of salt Mr. Snyder, especially when it's coming from the person trying to sell them to you.

[@kierstonr.9020]

Definitely one of those depends on the person and house and climate deals, currently having some installed at my house because I’m not cleaning gutters( can’t climb a ladder due to injuries from a wreck) and my 70yr old grandmother sure as hell ain’t! But, we our house was built back in the 70s, we only have gutters on certain sides of the house and we mostly get rain and maybe some tornadoes lol ice maybeeee but it doesn’t stay long 🤷🏻‍♀️ so it was the best option for us and only $3,000 Compared to 3-4 other companies to just replace all the gutters without a system like this that was putting us in the $6-7,000 range

[@4fingerV]

​@@johncalebsnyderyou will need to clean them off. I work installing leaf filter. You clean them and your good. No clogs.

[@inspirationjam]

So what did you do when the gutters froze up before?

[@toordog1753]

LOL WATER FREEZES OVER THOSE WITHOUT THE FILTERS

[@xXJesuslovesyouXx]

We have a genius🎉🎉🎉

[@vamul1]

It seems that ice issue would happen just the same if the gutter were clogged with debris. Ice will form naturally in that fashion even without a clog. Leaf filter should be offering that heat tape service as an option but not all climates would require that option. Some climates I can see algae and mold being an issue. So … you definitely mitigate the larger debris and in some cases even vermin and pests clogging your gutters.. As far as maintenance free .. i would say to have that expectation would be idealistic.. However, an angled brush that telescopes should be included to scrub the filters from the ground with some algicide. Seems a lot easier to do than getting up on a ladder. Leaf fitter needs to fully educate their customers as to the maintenance requirements for each environment. I am so curious to see if the new filter mesh solved the problem… As for the pollen the angled brush from the ground should also take care of that…still for me no ladder is s plus

[@philesq]

I had a different type that I bought at Costco and had the same problem with ice damming but one day when the ice damming occurred there was snow on the roof, it warmed up and started to rain sending water down along 43 ft of walls on one side of the house. I had to have someone come in to repair the damage on the sheetrock. I ripped out the leaf guard, returned it to Costco, and I will just pay someone to clean my gutters every year.

[@brianbassett4379]

Well... sucks to be you.

[@seriejohnson698]

Water in the basement over here as well. Next year I am thinking about securing black tarp just over part of the roof and all of the gutters to help prevent ice damns and water in the basement

[@brianbassett4379]

@@seriejohnson698 Why not remove the gutter completely and install a french drain?

[@philesq]

@Serie Johnson after I had the problem because of the gutter guard, my roofer installed a snow shield on the roof to attempt to prevent that from happening again. It goes under the roof tiles. But I'll just continue paying a company to clean my gutters.

[@philesq]

@@brianbassett4379 A french drain is designed to direct water away from an area and is usually installed in a basement and on driveways. It doesn't replace the function of a roof gutter which prevents water from ponding against the house and sheeting down the roof over doorways and windows. A french drain could divert water away from a house but would not prevent some ponding. Many communities including the village where I live require the leaders to empty into a dry well so water is returned to the ground where it is needed instead of running down the lawn or driveway into the street and into the sewage system which costs the village a lot of money.

[@ellew4573]

I knew Leaf guard sounded too good to be true.

[@invisible7686]

Pure Junk! These guards are worthless! Ripped mine off the house. DONE ✔

[@questioneverything3332]

Doesn't matter they got your money...

[@invisible7686]

@@questioneverything3332 When the class action is settled, I'll be getting it back!

[@ecolocalguy]

@@questioneverything3332 that is indeed their #1 goal - take the money and run. Charge an astronomical price, then discount it 30% to make it look like they are on your side, giving you such a good deal. Even at their $30/foot discounted price you are paying way too much. Pro tip - say no to each drop, then the price magically goes to "cost" at $13/ft. Super pro tip: don't buy LF at all. there are better products for less money

[@bustervioletscruggs212]

Even with Leaf Filter installed you still have to climb a ladder to clean the gutters. This is a deceptive commercial. The ad shows leaves being blown off the roof on a dry day. What it doesn’t show is the leaves and pine needles building up and sticking on the gutters on a rainy day. There is no difference between the old gutters and Leaf Filter.

[@JMK15]

Okay so besides getting your gutters cleaned is there any gutter guards where ppl have been satisfied with their purchase?

[@mirandarobinson6005]

The problem I'm running in to is they are not sealed. We got a very heavy rain and every single gutter leaked at the ends.

[@williamwilson6499]

I have Leaf Filter but never experienced this problem. My original gutters were removed completely and larger gutters with a different mesh system than shown in this video were installed. Expensive, but I haven’t had any problems and I don’t have to clean them out. At 65, that’s a big plus.

[@friendlyneighborhoodmainte3756]

What's the update?

[@sharonsivertsen9354]

We had the Leaf Guard filters installed a couple of years ago. And YES, they DO plug up when there's a freezing rain, and the freezing rain spills over the gutters onto our sidewalk. It's DANGEROUS! But maybe the heat tape, inside at least the at-risk areas above walkways and driveways, might be the solution. We haven't tried it - I don't want my 84-year-old husband trying to do this. And yes, they are expensive. We were enticed by the salesman stating that if we signed up immediately (before we had time to investigate further) there was a 60% discount. DON'T LET ANYONE TALK YOU INTO BUYING ANYTHING THAT THE SELLER CLAIMS YOU WILL PAY $$$ MORE FOR IF YOU TAKE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT!!!

[@joegonzales772]

Sharon====if you don't know how much they charge they can hike the price above that then they tell you they will give you a discount so you really don't get a discount

[@leehitt4704]

Was it LeafGuard specifically or LeafFilter?

[@henrycrawford2697]

@@leehitt4704 leaffilter

[@joq702]

Should not have to buy or allow them to put on add on fixes for the pricing and promises they make.

[@ericcampbell8881]

Don't get it, I had it installed in Feb of 22, it has already been removed. We got one minor snow fall 2 weeks after install. The mesh froze solid and all the water ran off and froze on the ground.....if your in cold climate it doesn't work. 5000 down the tubes, also shoukd be noted they never took the gutters off and realign them which was part of the sales pitch. Remove, reallign, reseal.....the filter comes in 4 foot sections right out of the box and they were supposed to use hidden hangers only. I had a section around a large front porch with the old strap hangers every 3 foot, they cut the filters to fit between the straps. I have photos. Note your warrenty, some of the verbiage is very problematic.

[@kenfriesen1613]

Last summer we got new roof and gutters and leaf filter. Worked great until snow and ice build up on the north and west side of the house. At one point during the winter had a 2” dam build up. Do you think I could get leaf filter out to put eyes on it? No way, no how! They said they would come out in spring and make observations and adjustments in fit up. Haven’t seen or heard from them. Am I going to call them!? No, the balls in their court, while word of mouth advertising is in mine. Buyer beware! In the meantime I figure out my own fix!

[@fvrrljr]

*3 years now, any updates !?*

[@JRS-iq9pz]

Wow. $6,000 dollars is too much.

[@lpj6882]

@@cldemaine yeah you over pay, this same crap thats $6,000.00 is way cheaper and lowes & home depot lol

[@Star-xq4tp]

@@cldemaine not necessarily in this particular situation. Five different companies could charge five different prices for literally the exact same materials and installation. If a company that charged $3500 did exactly the same install with the exact same materials, nobody was hurt, and nothing was damaged, then the $3500 deal would be significantly and obviously better than a $6000 deal. I worked for a tree service and we underbid lots of jobs because we knew we would get them . however there were multiple other companies that charged literally more than a thousand dollars more per job than we did. a tree down is a tree down at the end of the day as long as nobody is hurt and no property is damaged. some people get screwed over in price because they don’t know any better.

[@alicemcneill8552]

This a total ripoff. They should be ran out of business. After one hard rain, gutters started separating from the roof. Buyers beware, go to lowe's or home depot, or hire a private contractor, you will say time and money and they will come and fix whatever is wrong. Leaf Filter has lying sales representative an does shabby. I will make it my business to inform as many people as I can that they should not waste their time or money

[@laverdadesmejor]

They wouldn't stay in business for one minute if there weren't enough STUPID people to waste money in this trash! They rely on SUCKERS SUCKERS SUCKERS !!!!

[@henrycrawford2697]

I join your club +++++++++++++++

[@bp4lghost311]

This is a horrible product why the hell is this even legal

[@Blake12387]

Good lord how much freaking money??? 😳 I did not pay a tenth of that for new gutters and lead guards. Wow

[@seamfamily]

What type of leaf guard did you get and how do you like it? Just received a quote from Leaf Filter.

[@Blake12387]

@@seamfamily I got leaftek guards off Amazon it was like 160 bucks for 100ft installed my self they were super easy to install

[@badge03]

@@Blake12387 thanks Blake,,,will research that now!

[@samirsaad8121]

Where's the update?

[@Fokadas]

So, without the gutter guard ice wouldnt fall on the walk way?

[@kopekhan6394]

Have them, sadly. Any hope of getting my money back? Or any recourse legally? Or do I just have to pay someone to come and take them off as I don't have a ladder that will reach up to the second-story roof?

[@Mom23kitties]

Glad I found these reviews, I was just going to call for estimate. So what is everyone’s advice. I’m in my 70s and the gutters of my 18yr old home are all leaking. Should I have them all replaced? Can they just be fixed? I have no idea and I’m at the point of not being able to trust anyone I don’t know. It’s so frustrating and being a women is harder because they play you for a fool. Thanks for any suggestions. 😊

[@beverlyperry5591]

Oh my, just read your post. First off try a gutter cleaning service most of these companies will reattach loose gutters. If they can't I assume they would tell you they need additional attention.

[@Hearttoons2003.]

Can I block the leaf filter because I accident applied it from State Fair, I thought it was art stuff or water fountain... Please help me

[@Hearttoons2003.]

HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP

[@javaskull88]

The guys who power wash my house every summer also clean out my gutters. It really isn’t that expensive, especially compared to Leaf Filter or Gutter Guard. I’d urge folks to just do that.

[@larrycrookshanks9091]

Leaf Filter is just one of many gutter guard companies who actually think their products are the absolute best. The idea is nice but the stainless steel mesh is to small of a hole pattern . If you get a general rain they work nice, but if you get heavy thunderstorms the water cannot penetrate the mesh fast enough and will wash over the edge. As far as cold freeze area's the mesh is going to freeze the water on the very top and water will freeze solid and build up. The other problem is the cost (outer limits)$$$$. Way overpriced. And the installer is the one getting hosed. If their product had a raised lip on the front edge it would most likely hold some of the water back from rolling over. There are alternative products with better performance. I have 50 years on the roof as an installer and have seen every one.

[@thomastusing6103]

@Killer Miser not all mesh guards have holes that small. That's leaf filters problem. They have larger screen available now . Still don't work as they should. Anything laying as flat as they install will just create a shelf anyways. Plus being plastic they will never stay flat in the heat.

[@ecolocalguy]

@Killer Miser Arrow Guard

[@jeffdyrland2795]

You and me both man! I was installing for 20 years and saw every kind of guard imaginable! The best ones, I have found, are the cheap 3’-4’ aluminum screens. Not the micromesh. Every guard out there does what it says it does! Keeps leaves out. But they never tell you the cons.

[@Life-hf4yn]

I’m agree. That is exactly my concern was.

[@PAUL_BAX3]

What do you recommend?

[@AdrianJayeOnline]

ice would build IN the gutter but when it melt it's IN the gutter and then goes down with the wate water, whats not to understand

[@johnskogman5623]

$6000??? YIKES!

[@45hotro]

READ THE WARRANTY CLOSELY. None of these cover product warranties say a word about water overshooting the gutter or gunk messing up the face of the gutter.

[@menicucci2005]

So what's the difference of snow buildup without leaf filter? Wouldn't it still build up?

[@joeking433]

No.

[@skilz-wz7fn]

Ice damns occur with or with out the screen

[@douglasgrant8315]

A tighter mesh will cause the water to cascade over not flow thru into the gutter!!!

[@TheTweedy01]

I paid over $5000 and soon as big wind came they were hanging off gutters. I’ve had to call them numerous times and they want to charge us $95 to come out. I’m in late 70’s so had roofer get up on roof take pictures. Many places are not constructed correctly. I would not recommend them

[@Robrob007]

I think the gutter will look very dirty on the face that you can see since water and debris will be sliding on that face. won't do any type of filter

[@deankay4434]

Regardless of what leaf guard does to their filters, in winter this is a cold zone outside of the attic’s blanket of insulation. Only heated wire installed in a zig-zag configuration plugged into an GFCI outlet that used a sensor inside the gutters down pipe will sense 32 degrees and turn on heat over gutters. There is actually no other way to achieve this loss of ice dams in winter. Many houses have outlets under the roof on the soffit correctly wired to handle the 20 - 30 Amps these heated wires require. They clip to gutters and up to shingles. Open gutters or protected gutters are still subject to outside of the thermal blanket of insulation in the attic and will freeze. Do not use nail & tubes to hold gutters up as the weight of water is 8 pounds per gallon, it adds up fast with 400 - 700 pounds of weight in or on top of your gutters in every 20 feet of length. This heated wire system can be ordered by length and installed by a professional or homeowner who has a good ladder and comfortable with heights!

[@davidgenie-ci5zl]

Heat tape?

[@bajablast9176]

Wouldn't there be ice on the ground anyway. I don't get this complaint

[@AdrianJayeOnline]

ice would build IN the gutter but when it melt it's IN the gutter and then goes down with the wate water, whats not to understand

[@jdmb03]

Not always the case. Our gutters fill with heavy snow and it ices over and spilled out the gutter causing icicles.

[@paulstrauss9146]

So, the complaint is that the product works, but water freezes in the winter?

[@supermegadong7597]

This guy strikes me as someone who always complains, ice sickles form from gutters all the time if they are clogged so its going to happen now that the guards are gone and he will be back to square one cleaning the gutters by hand

[@lambition]

I am yet to see leaf filter / gutter guard that actually works. All of them has some issue. I live in single story house with low pitched roof. So, I chose to just clean my gutter often with leaf blower.

[@douglas.wang63]

My neighbour installed leaf filters. It was ridiculously pricey. $5000 just for the main floor, does not include 2nd level. They are pricing themselves out. I would never install it or recommend it to anyone.

[@Jodyrides]

if there is ice forming in your gutter or on those guards, water dripping and freezing on the ground is not your only problem. It’s not even your biggest problem.. ice will build up as the roof goes through freeze/thaw cycles and then ice will build up under the shingles. This is a big problem if you do not have that first row from the gutters of your roof covered with a in a row of tarpaper called ice guard.. I had the gutters on my house one year build up ice because we were having a weather cycle that we had the fall/freeze/thaw/freeze night after night and the Ice built up in the gutters going under the shingles and it ruined the walls and two of our bedrooms

[@dkcanuck]

yup. Ice dams can lead to real damage. I have heard of Leaf Filter blaming the roof pitch or quality and walking away. Up in Canada, they quoted me $17k for a 4000 sq ft house. I did the math on hiring a company for $300 per season to clean my gutters. Guess what I chose to do.

[@MsElke11]

How hard would it be to get a broom and scrape off those icicles?

[@leavingitblank9363]

Not only that, but icicles hanging off eaves is a very common winter scenario. Seems like it would be easier to just put out sand, knock the icicles off, whatever, rather than fight with getting a refund over something that's a problem for only short periods of time.

[@Brucev7]

Does Not To Be a Follow Up Video to "Keep Us Updated" ?

[@Life-hf4yn]

I just had them installed yesterday the temp dropped today with a snow shower I noticed icicles all round gutter. I wish I had noticed this problem before installation. Feeling bad after spending all that money on it.

[@jeffdyrland2795]

Sorry to hear that man. I always steer people away from this product. (Most actually) but this one especially so. In most cases, this product causes far more problems, than it actually solves. It keeps leaves out. That’s it! Your best solution is (And I hate to say) to remove them and have a simple, economical aluminum screen put in. GL!

[@CoroaEntertainment]

Two tears later and I still don't see the update you guys promised.

[@Herloss32]

Have Leaffilter on my house in Utah where we have some of the most snow in u.s. sometimes 500 inches per year where I live by the ski resort. I have no issue. This guys house probably isn’t insulated correctly. That’s why snow is melting off the roof and not on the gutter areas. Just maintain your driveway. It isn’t that hard.

[@isaacogunmuko3947]

Exactly, That man only needs to put salt on the ground to melt or prevent ice buildup. Ice can build up on the ground even without leaf Filter or other gutter guards.

[@isaacogunmuko3947]

During winter ice will build up on Stairs, Sidewalks, and Driveways. And a lot of ice will build up after rain storms. Solution to this problem is to put salt on Stairs, Sidewalks, and Driveways.

[@isaackil15]

Dude could had just installed them himself and bought that same system from Home Depot lol. $6,000 is laughable

[@thomastusing6103]

@@isaacogunmuko3947 well did he have to put salt down before? So your saying spend 6 gran and then keep a huge supply of salt handy.

[@isaacogunmuko3947]

@@thomastusing6103 I don't have Leaf Filter. I was just saying that all gutter freeze during winter, since the cold weather would cause rain water to freezer before it goes down the gutters. Thats what I have with my gutters

[@hswing11]

In my case they were the worst high pressure sales with a price that started at $15600 and was reduced to $6700. DON'T BE FOOLED THEY ARE THE WORST 🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@Peter-pv8xx]

It would be better and cheaper to have your gutters cleaned and inspected once a year that to install what amounts to being a snake oil product, I'm surprised they don't claim that cures certain kinds of cancer.

[@ThomasDemers-x9v]

I used to work for them . They completely rip costumers off. Ive done jobs where they have charged 20k . On average there charging 8k to 12k .. they also under pay there installers. The installers are responsible to have insurance to cover anything that happens during install were also responsible to collect the checks and do all the paper work n were responsible to go back for any job issues after installed . Id do a 10k job n make 300 bucks . After gas , taxes , insurance, wear n tear on my truck im making nothing but responsible for everything. Please do not buy there product . Its over priced by thousands of dollars

[@steviepii]

It has almost been 2 weeks since my first request for service. Each time I've called I've gotten an answer, but nothing gets done after that.

[@mikedevo363]

Gutter guards are a scam.. nothing beats having your gutters open and cleaned

[@rockstylex33]

Having a few DIY skills is worth its weight in gold these days. The ice problem described in this video seems like it would happen in the old or new gutters. Their prices are insane but I'm not convinced they are to blame.

[@ale_the_ia9033]

“Leaf Filter” is a scam company, and I’m here to inform anyone who’s thinking about having them installed. I had them put on my back patio gutter, only, was $3,000. That was a year ago this past March, and the gutter is already clogged. So I called them to have someone sent here to fix that. They said it would cost me $97, because my one year warranty was up. So much for their so called “Lifetime No Clogs Guarantee” 😑

[@ptg01]

Years ago, I had them come out to do an estimate. Their cost is easily at least 3X the one I ended with which is a generic brand recommended by a home builder friend of ours.... No regrets...

[@roberttaylor6030]

Leaf filter advertised the exact same ad at the beginning of this video for me, lol.

[@jasonmckenzie3146]

It’s the biggest scam going, I still have leafs and shit in my gutters, I have had them back 3 times and still have crap in my gutters, save your money

[@TheOriginalAndysGarage]

That's what I said in winter time that's going to freeze over as going to Backwater up underneath the roof shingles

[@AlaskanSnowLeopard]

Knowing the climate in your area is very crucial.

[@davidgenie-ci5zl]

Would it be too much effort to get the camera up showing us the mesh?

[@kiddbillinger3948]

People. Just pay someone a couple hundred bucks a year to clean your gutters. You can avoid all of this.

[@claudiorazzetti8682]

I was working with that idea of installing gutter screens , but all these reviews , i decided to not do it and save money. I also live in Colorado , i survived without them for 13 years .

[@northernlight40]

I live in Canada and yes they are not worth having ,they cause ice dams which will damage the edge of the shingles and could lead to water and then ice backing up under the shingles and that can cause water to run into walls

[@paisleypeach44]

Elderly folks, it would be cheaper to hire some college kids to come clean your gutters once a year after fall and just before freezing temps. So at $200 per clean once a year would be 5k over 25 yrs. No interest no issues, no problem.

[@ronk9830]

Good advice, but best to use a reputable company that's insured to prevent liability issues. Bees could attack or a fall could occur.

[@daved7164]

When your company is worth in the hundreds of millions, it’s not uncommon to have complaints… I mean come on this isn’t a little rinky dink company.

[@SlimPickens1940]

Anyone who complains is a cheap fk

[@henrycrawford2697]

Your right. Its a BIG rinky dink company

[@joeking433]

It's run by the mafia.

[@tapps1010]

@daved7164 "not uncommon to have complaints" ... especially if you're screwing thousands of people.

[@jgg204]

Dripping water onto a driveway is the least of the concern. The main issue is water working its way back up underneath the shingles and causing water damage to the interior of the home. These things are just not worth it. You are better off just paying a handyman $150 once a year to do a regular gutter cleaning.

[@skylane765]

It’s a joke. The water jumps the gutters when it rains hard. And they also clog up. Do not buy any type of gutter protector

[@ThomasWinters-lo8ky]

LEAF GARD IS THE SAME! OH THEIR GREAT AS LONG AS IT NEVER RAINS OF EVER GETS COLD OUTSIDE!

[@Dustinthewind03]

I paid leaf filter a couple thousand dollars and the top of my gutter is still blasting out. I guess they did their job by covering my gutters though but something is not right. That’s the bottom line of what I wanted fixed. Ugh

[@edwill62]

Bought gutter guards from Lowes installed myself and have had them for decades ( once in a great while may have to replace one, I bought extra ) but do not have to clean gutters and have NO issues with them . I think I paid around $25-$30 bucks for a box of about 30 pieces, I think they now are nearly $4 dollars a piece ( sold separately ) , but far cheaper than a quote from "leaf filter " of over $3-$4 THOUSAND Dollars for almost the exact same product and design....On a rather small home I might add. And we see everyday how shoddy they are and how inept the folks who install them truly are !! plus let me add I have NO issues with ice buildup or ice damage Amerimax Snap-In Gutter Filter PVC K style ( plastic ) so you know what they are.

[@oldarkie3880]

These covers just create a clog in a different place when the fine debris seals them shut. Now you have a worse problem because its way easier to just clean the gutters twice a year. Without them. Just use the money these would cost to pay to have your gutters cleaned out about twice a year .I think this house has inadequate attic insulation which causes snow to melt from the heat. Think ice dam..

[@ronk9830]

Years ago, my father insisted that I install plastic screens on his gutters so I didn't have to clean them, when cleaning them was really no big deal. Two years later, I had to rip them out. The gutters were full of dirt, moss, and even grass was growing in them under the screens. 😠

[@TPEvans]

It's a marketing company that uses a cheap plastic leaf guard to round the circle. I got a quote, and it was hard to not laugh. They quote some outlandish number and then oofer to do all for half that number if you will sign up immediately. There are some gutter guards out thewrr built like a tank - but you have to search - and they cost about the same.

[@charlessarver8350]

Really? So the gutters don't fill up and freeze? Wrong. I

[@mariot7403]

I used to work for them as subcontractor and sometimes the customers give me the checks and for just 30ft of leaf guards they charge ,1,900 dll is ridiculously a lot of money I feel so bad when I get the check because they are disability people

[@ChristianRodriguez-zx5kp]

I just started working for them as a Contractors and ive seen some crazy Checks from Costumers whats catching my attention is most of the clients are elderly people.

[@mariot7403]

@@ChristianRodriguez-zx5kp that's correct