Nikon is BACK!

[@TonyAndChelsea]

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[@CincyPhotography]

auto focus still SUX unless you get z9

[@WakoJacKooo]

Nikon never died they just fell behind , listened , then came back

[@bngr_bngr]

Z6 & Z7 are still a disaster.

[@info.CashProgram-li8wu]

@@bngr_bngrI’m still shooting entire weddings with z6II. Just can’t trust eye autofocus

[@clentonhenderson9647]

I absolutely love you guys commentary and reviews. This is an exceptional video about photo history.

[@waynerm002]

@@bngr_bngrI wouldn’t call them a disaster, they still produce fantastic images, in some situations the autofocus doesn’t work as well as we would like but a disaster? Nah.

[@mikelay5360]

That falling behind is what they mean by dying 😂

[@salekinhimel]

Nikon coming back is a heart warming feeling for me. Started photography with Nikon D3300, then switched to Sony A6400, now it feels like this is the perfect time to get back to Nikon. Z8 is amazing.

[@qamstel]

I also started on D3300 and moved to a LUMIX which I sold in less than a year and since then I’m still using an original Z6 for professional work and it is enough. I can’t imagine how the upgrade will feel like to move to Z8 but I’m still hoping for a Z6iii 😅

[@WatchmanNiel]

Z8 and now the ZF, most exciting cameras since the D800/D810/D850, or perhaps arguably even the D700.

[@nefraw11]

Last time when Nikon did something revolutionary was D3, which I still own since new. Sometimes I think the release of the Z6 was under the pressure of their marketing department. As a legendary camera maker, how can they not know the proper focus capability is the fundamental of a proper camera? But it seems like Nikon always took a few more years longer to get the hardware together. I almost switched to Canon, twice. It was a little rough watching the 1Ds, MK-ll took over the market and all Nikon had were antiquated D2x. I remember Nikon kept talking about the full frame sensor being invalid (marketing talk, as we all know it) until they dropped the D3. For the last few years, we all sit here watching Sony dominate the mirrorless sector, and take off like a freight train until Nikon did it again with Z9/Z8...5 years later. Perhaps not as revolutionary as D3 but still a pretty big deal regardless...I am still wondering what their product development timeline looks like and love to be the fly on the wall when the nikon 😅designer/engineer and marketing people arguing about the whether or not Z6 should have one or two card slot.

[@TheTigers00001]

Although you mentioned the read out speed, Tony and Chelsea, you failed to mention the one big related leapfrog Nikon made with the Z9 and now Z8. They are not only mirrorless, but also shutterless. They are the first camera maker to do this on an enthusiast and professional interchangeable lens camera body. Now every other camera maker must follow.

[@duncanwallace7760]

I agree, I love that I don't have to worry about 'shutter count' anymore, especially because I tend to keep cameras for a long time and the very high FPS would chew it up very quickly.

[@amphonix_blue]

Agreed

[@baredesigns1]

There are intermittent sync issues when using Stobes with Z9. (Not HSS)

[@bfqywqd]

Agreed! 550k+ shots on my Z9 and not a worry about shutter durability. Huge.

[@williambuford6136]

@@baredesigns1 Interesting. Is the flicker reduction on when this happens?

[@RRRCCCDDD]

I'm not a professional nor do I have a ton of money. I have a good amount of Nikon lenses that I love. I cannot keep changing systems every time one 'leap frogs' the others. I am very glad that the Z8 came out. I traded my Z6 and Z7 for it. I get to stay in their system and have a modern cam that competes well. I almost got a D850 but waited a month+ because I heard something was coming from Nikon. I was rewarded. Thanks Nikon!

[@pjimmbojimmbo1990]

Glad to hear you dodged a Bullet, not getting the D850. I had one for 18 months, Worst Camera I ever owned, a real POS

[@RRRCCCDDD]

@@pjimmbojimmbo1990 I was going to get it because I had used a friend's D850 while we were on vacation and I loved it. It felt right and me being used to DSLRs, it worked well for me. But yes, I would have been upset if I did buy it then the Z8 came out

[@bobamarmstrong]

@@pjimmbojimmbo1990 worst camera, lol people nowadays are desillusional. The D850 is touted as the best DSLR of all time and it is still relevant today even in the age of mirrorless. A new technology won't render the old non fonctionnal

[@matthewbell1968]

​@@pjimmbojimmbo1990Nonsense. Best dSLR of all time, thousands of users around the World can't be wrong!

[@pjimmbojimmbo1990]

@@bobamarmstrong Mine was a POS. It was defective the Day I got it and 2 trips to Nikon didn't fix it, and Nikon just ran the Clock out on the Warranty. Plus they Effed it up when they supposedly Cleaned the Sensor, welding a hunk of Dirt or Snot on it.

[@larvenfritson]

Even though I don't use Nikon myself, I'm always happy when I see another company making good cameras. In the end competition is the thing that is going to push all manufacturers to making better gear, and also keeping prices reasonable.

[@johnw.3636]

Exactly

[@acemanfrog]

I've been a Nikon person for almost 50 years, owning through the FM series, DSLR and now finally the Z6ii. I do amateur wildlife photography, specifically focused on raptors here in Colorado. The Z6ii is perfect for my needs and I truly appreciate the Nikon history vid as it explains what happened to Nikon. Great work!

[@johnschofield6675]

Even the worse camera is better than most photographers. Instead of endlessly upgrading and swaping cameras take time to learn how to use the one you have. I know I just moved from Fuji to Z9 system and yes it is a big improvement over my old T2 but I am still working on getting the best from it.

[@algio3041]

Agreed, I started with a 3300 and just now “upgrade” to a 7100 maybe in 10 years I’ll get the z8. Going this rout forced me to really understand how all the functions interact with each other. A big part of learning for me was using auto and seeing what settings it chose, and then switch to manual and set the same settings and adjust to desired taste from there. With all the super high frame rates now, I see all sorts of KZbinrs just holding the shutter down and later going frame by frame of what’s basically a video, to pick the best one. No real effort in composition , just spray and pray.

[@photo-markus]

I own the Z9 and ❤️ it. As backup I have a Z6II and I don’t feel the need to change it to Z8(but I might do it when the price drops). Yes, I am now proud of Nikon. I trusted them always but I had moments when I wanted to buy a fujifilm gfx and sell all Nikon gear…I was never inclined towards Sony or cannon.

[@valentinoesposito3614]

Same, Nikon is best. Fuji is second. Canon and Sony are garbage compared those two.

[@pedropaz8012]

I was a Nikon shooter from film to digital dslr. I loved all the cameras I had including the Nikon 3200, 7100, 610 and before that Nikon F50. Then mirrorless happened and I went to Sony, and now use a A7RIV but unfortunately I feel that they are more tools and not something I desire to use. Now that Nikon Z8 has my longing for another Nikon. I confess I have always enjoyed how Nikon feels in my hand and how the colors come out.

[@allys537]

Nikon had a lot invested into the Nikon 1 system. When it died they obviously moved those engineers to the Z, they took a few years to catch back up. The Nikon 1 system had potential but was kneecapped because of its small sensor size. I’m glad they recovered with the Z8.

[@12w3hji123456789]

I still use my Nikon J5 it would be so cool if they would show some love with a firmware update for it

[@angeloplayforone]

@@12w3hji123456789 They killed this system times ago.

[@angeloplayforone]

How many engineers did work on this systeem. Think not much as they where selling well and were a total failure.

[@mpw621]

I still have my V1 camera and still takes very nice pictures even with the 10 MP's

[@haydennettleton3272]

Wish Nikon still made their stuff in Japan instead of China and Thailand.

[@nagual2335]

Can’t believe you didn’t mention even once the shutterless revolution Nikon has brought to the industry. They deserve a huge credit to take this massive step. Also, Nikon is not behind in video. They are ahead. Miles ahead. They don’t have a cinema line therefore they can cramp many more features without risking cannibalize higher models. The Z8 video features are above the R5 and the A7S3. So I Honestly don’t think they deserve this “behind” criticism. Also not a word on Nikon image quality which looks better than Sony sooc and sole reasons people still love Nikon.

[@mitchellriley1357]

💯 The video on the Z8 / Z9 is definitely not behind. I have no idea why they think that.

[@nagual2335]

@@mitchellriley1357 I just don't feel it's fair to say Nikon is behind (Video features) and completely ignore the shutterless technology Nikon has brought. Otherwise, it's a good content

[@andrewmason8691]

It’s the screen that drives KZbinrs nuts and something no one else cares about.

[@mitchellriley1357]

@Elliot_LM Nikon are doing things the big 2 aren't yet, so they are innovative and trying new things. Like you said no mechanical shutter, pre capture, and the new auto shoot in v4 for Z9. Everyone needs to remember they are a much smaller company than Canon and Sony, I could imagine how much the big 2 spend on R&D versus Nikon.

[@nagual2335]

@@mitchellriley1357 great points!

[@user-zz1ux4io6u]

Nearly two weeks into Z8 ownership. I've been using D850 for 3+ years and I agree the Z8 feels like a mirrorless D850. Aircraft tracking is incredible, dynamically switching from nose to cockpit (if it can see it). Knowing there are likely S/W updates to make it even better is exciting. Well done Nikon.

[@jerryandrews3699]

Good to know, I am about to make that leap to a Z8 (Aviation shooter)

[@kappakumplete]

I held onto my D750 for years waiting for Nikon to release a compelling mirrorless option. The Z8 was it and I happily picked one up.

[@bobamarmstrong]

What a leapfrog. I think you did an amazing choice

[@duncanwallace7760]

Well done for holding out so long. True patience!

[@wibbley1]

I think many of us did. Just try buying a FTZ!

[@sertacoral3461]

I just bought my Z8 last week and already very happy with that. Upgraded from D750, trying to adapt to differences of mirrorless. Yesterday I used it on an outdoor birthday party of my nephews. Way better experience than last year with D750 especially with AF and number of shots that I was able to take. I am excited to see more from Z8. ✌️✌️👌👌

[@baredesigns1]

Try some similar Canon and Sony Mirrorless at similar price points and see how good their AF is compared to Nikon

[@duncanwallace7760]

My Nikon journey has been Nikkormat FT, F80, D80, D90, D4, Z7, Z9. It's been great. I agree the Z7 focus wasn't the best, but I still got a lot of good photos with that camera, even some wildlife shots, but for landscapes it was great. The Z9 is another level entirely, something I couldn't have dreamed of when I was using the D4. I'm not really a switcher, so generally I'm happy to wait for improvements, even if Nikon is a bit behind. At the moment though, I feel like its at the front of the pack.

[@glenmcdowell]

Nikon user since…1990?! N series, D series and then I bought a Z6. While I was happy having 4K video my photos were out of focus, video frame rates were slow and 10 bit was external. I limped along with the z6 and then the z6ii thinking it would be better (same problems) until now. I waited after hearing good things about the z9 (more than I wanted to spend, for decades Nikon had a model one under the flagship that worked stellar for me) and then when the z8 came out waited to hear what you’re saying here putting off a jump to Sony….I am loving my new Z8 getting it just now. Fully agree with everything you’re saying here (even if I don’t like the idea that manufacturers need to keep making new bodies) and really appreciate this breakdown. Relived to see Nikon delivering the tools we need to stay and continue creating our best work.

[@HR-wd6cw]

Based on the cover graphic - I would say if your coming from the D850 and you shoot sports or wildlife, definitely get the Z8 or Z9, if you're doing landscape and little to no sports or wildlife, either one is fine but the Z7 / Z7 II might be a better choice for size and weight reasons, as the Z8 is about 30% heavier and a bit bigger.

[@davidleonhardt5907]

As a young photographer, I was strictly a hobbyist, and that all started in 1971. At that time Nikon was The camera of professionals, and I dreamed of having one. Fast forward to 2002, after retiring from the military, I went to university and majored in graphic design with a minor in photography. College level photography was majority film, and I purchased a Nikon F4AS, my dream camera that I could afford. I loved that camera. The digital age was upon us and I bought a D100 to begin my digital journey. It’s been one Nikon after another, upgrading with last year’s model for affordability, but always staying consumer grade, and DX sensor, with the D7200 as my last DX camera. When I decided to go FX sensor, I had to buy an older camera, and settled on the D4. I love that camera, and it’s a beast, but I knew I would go mirrorless one day. I have been a high volume school photographer for 16 years and the company I work for used Canons up until Sony made them a deal for firmware that had a crop mask option. I’ve gotten to use the Sony A7IV for about 6 months and it had me almost convinced in getting a Sony as my next personal camera. I had tried out the Z6II, but didn’t really like it. So now here comes the Z8, and hearing your review as well as many others, this is my next camera. I am retiring from the school picture business as I have reached the age where I can begin drawing my SS payment, and plan on doing headshots, family photos, and whatever photos gigs I can get as a supplement. I will invest in the Z8 and some glass as the date of my retirement gets closer. Thanks for your reviews, you tell it like it is. And thank you for rooting for Nikon Chelsea, I am too.

[@MehdiRF]

I'm Nikon shooter and never switched to any other brand, As soon as I saw Z9's specs & aggressive price I said here we gooo. It was quite obvious that Nikon will continue aggressively but slowly expanding Z cameras with high end specs as well, Z lenses are also exceptional. It's great time to be a photographer these days!

[@samuelklusmeyer6]

The Z system has an incredibly seamless video-to-stills switch. I've even used it professionally without fault. Pair that with the Z8's class-leading video specs and the Z mount's versatility it's an absolutely bonkers system. So, to be completely honest, I'm really confused by that last video point. If you're only problem is a flip-out screen then I'm not 100% sure that the Z8 should be written off so quickly. (Otherwise, great summary and really good points)

[@TakingTheMike]

Yes I agree. There is more to video than a flip forward screen. No mention of 8K or internal raw.

[@InnerverseCreations]

Also people doesnt seem to know that you can use SnapBridge app on your phone to turn it into a monitor, which fixes the no flipping screen for vlogging.

[@brucesterlowden140]

Agree. This is the key flaw in this video! Confusing vlogging screen omission with its overall superior video capabilities! The other flaw is no reference to quality of z lenses and especially telephoto options…

[@russellwright9961]

Simply put, the Z8 & Z9 level cameras don’t need a flippy screen, Nikon had more than enough time to decide on that and it’s just not going to happen on their pro bodies and I don’t blame them. We’ll definitely see if it happens on the Z6III, and it won’t hurt my feelings if it doesn’t. To hell with a fllippy screen on a pro body!

[@AndrooH]

Nikon shooter here; 4 dSLR bodies, 2 SLR bodies (inc my grandfather's Nikkormat EL I still shoot occasionally), and sooo mnay F lens... plus a Z30 for vlogging. I'll be moving to the Z8 & Z9 shortly :)

[@charliegil2007]

The Nikon Z6 improved so much with the firmwares, it was bad at some point. My next camera will be the Z6 III, I do prefer this size, the Z8 is a beast but I love smaller bodies.

[@michaellee3903]

The Z6 and Z7 III will ultimately show where Nikon stands next to the competition in the video arena come 2024.

[@lsaideOK]

The two of you took a deep dive into predicting the death of Nikon. Overstated at the time. It isn't a miraculous rebirth. Just hard work in terms of business, design, engineering, and marketing. They were climbing a hill while you were saying they were falling off a cliff. At the time I said you weren't helping the situation. If people think a company is not going to be there in a few years, they're not going to be buying stuff from them. Fortunately you were wrong

[@rubendarilov]

Agreed!! It's kind of like they came up with this video to try to make up for all the bad press they gave Nikon over the past 3 years!! Smh..

[@pacoperezabella]

Japan cosmovision less risk, high confiability and precission.

[@matthieuzglurg6015]

the thing about the sensors is that they're made by Sony Semiconductors, which is not to be confused with Sony Imaging. Sony Semiconductors is a big manufacturer or semiconductor components, that could be processors, PCBs, etc, and that includes camera sensors. Think like both Nvidia and AMD have their chips made by TSMC, using TSMC processes. Thing is, TSMC uses designs from either company, so does Sony Semiconductors. Sony Imagine gives Sony Semiconductors schematics for camera sensors, and Sony SemiCon makes them. If they make it available on the market for everyone or not, that's a matter of do you want your competitor to be able to get their hands out your tech by buying it out. And that's why you have cameras like the Sony A6400 and Fujifilm X-T2 that use the same 24MP chip, or why the same 26MP BSI chip takes its place in both Fujifilm X-T3/4 cameras, Sony FX30s and even Pixii cameras. That's because it's a common components that anybody can buy and use in their products. Their best tech, like their stacked 24MP full frame, or their 50MP full frame, it never ends up on the catalogue. Or when it does, then it means that it has a replacement. Looking at Nikon and how they've been dealing with other companies making sensors for them : Nikon really much acts like an AMD would act with a TSMC. They do not use TSMC designs, they use THEIR designs. When Sony was putting out a 43MP sensor, Nikon designed a 45MP one. That was made by Sony SemiCon, but it was a full Nikon design. Same for the 24MP full frame sensor in the Z6, same for the APS-C 20MP sensor in the D500 and Z50. And of course, same for the 45MP stackes sensor in the Z8 and Z9. NONE of the Z cameras so far had a sensor that was a Sony design, they all ended up with a Nikon design. So you say that Sony is not giving them their best tech, I say that it much more a competition between Sony Imaging and Nikon to who's gonna use Sony Semiconductors to the best of their abilities. (also I don't know what you're on about saying that Nikon hasn't touched the high end video market while the Z8 and Z9 have litterally the best video specs on the whole market right now. Like what, it doesn't have a flippy screen so it can't do video? Ridiculous. It even have more video centric features than Canon and Sony hybrid cameras. Nikon doesn't have a video line to protect so they just wen ham on the video specs, that's the thing)

[@rubendarilov]

Amazing and detailed observation on Tony's remarks. I'm sure Nikon is fully aware that Canon and Sony are now going to come out swinging after the Z9 & Z8 but at the same time, Nikon is not sitting still. Their profits have improved dramatically and that will be very beneficial for their R&D team. Who knows what are they planning? And as you mentioned, they don't have a video centric line of cameras to protect like the competition, so that plays very well in their favor!!

[@williambuford6136]

@@rubendarilov My guess is a Hardware refresh for the Z9 will occur for the Summer Olympics! Z9ii to compete with Canon's R1. Nikon is maximizing the profits and Market share with the Z9/8 Expeed 7 and Sensor platform. When Nikon releases this at the Midrange level the D750/D780 owners that did not go for the Z8 will finally take the Nikon mirrorless plunge.

[@angeloplayforone]

The sensor in Sony A range is not the same as Fuji.Fuji uses the Xtrans pixel lay-out and not Bayer lay-out.

[@rubendarilov]

@@williambuford6136 Exactly, great times for Nikon indeed!

[@Fritzystuff]

Sjo. I am glad to hear your enthusiasm. I just finished my 1st concert (photography) with a brand new Z8, moving up from the Z6 II that I was used to. The AF system and customisability is just astounding. Absolutely love the camera, even compared to the Sony A1 and Canon R3/5 that I have been able to borrow. The Nikon just hits differently - in a good way :) . My only problem which I need to see if I can figure out, is that with only an electronic shutter, I am getting a lot of banding if my shutter speeds exceed 1/100th of a second. I have activated/deactivated the Flicker detection, as well played with the shutter speed fine tune setting (assigned it to Fn2 for quick recall) and it seems that the LED stage lighting just does not work well with the speed of the sensor read-out. Not sure if anyone here has any tips?

[@davidroberts6766]

I think Nikon, which is a small company, relative to Sony and Canon, will always be playing a bit of catch up. I fully expect Canon and Sony to have blockbuster reactions soon. I care not. I will be using Nikons until I die. I just love them. I still experiment and use Nikons dating back decades, including film cameras. I also own three Z cameras and really enjoy creating with them. I am not a hybrid shooter, which definitely makes this choice easier. I am glad the Z8/9 are helping Nikon’s bottom line, but they are way more than I need to create beautiful images.

[@russellwright9961]

At this point, catching up is not an issue for Nikon, they are updating firmware and improving more than Sony and Canon right now. You can check many forums and channels of folk mad at Sony for leaving some of their lineups with no new firmware for years. But it’s all apart of their plan to keep their users buying new, and only have subtle changes. Their marketing is very good and it have some folk thinking they need a new camera only two or three years into what they have…

[@ksphotography730]

I have been a Nikon shooter for many years and jumped from D850 to Z7 as soon as it was released. And I've owned all the Zs' since then besides from Z9 and Z8. I've tried Sony and Canon for a while during the last years and for the ergonomics and usability I love Nikon more than anything. Sharp images and great files too. But on some areas my Nikon cameras certainly lacked the same capabilities as Sony and Canon, specially on consistent auto focus but also some other areas. However, I came to a decision point where I was to upgrade my glass from Nikon (moving from their 1.8s), which is a huge investment and you need to jump directly to 1.2. And at the time I had waited forever for the Z8 and truly felt the slow innovation from Nikon compared to the other 2 who rapidly launched new cameras and functionality. And I asked myself which brand feels most innovative and then again is the natural brand to put your future money. And for me that is Sony (just my peafowl preference) . So I've sold my Nikon gear for a couple of A7IV and a A7V which I haven't received yet). The result for me is that I get a brand I trust more to be in front on innovation and in which I can invest for the future. A brand which has cheaper native 1.4 mirrorless glass rather than heavy and expensive 1.2. Cameras that are extremely capable in anything I should expect from them. So I'm very confident in my choice even though no camera is perfect. I lost the best brand when it comes to ergonomics, UX and RAW files and got the worst ones (among the top 3) on that area, but the total package of moving to Sony made sense to me. I think it's fantastic that the Z8 seems so great and let's all hope we have at least 3 companies pushing each other on innovation moving forward. Go Nikon 💪

[@tonyjohnson2256]

I've been a long time nikon lover. I'm anxiously awaiting my Z8 to get here.

[@cspencer9141]

Glad to see Nikon back in the mix. A longtime Nikon shooter still using D850. Always liked Nikon glass. Want to finally go mirrorless with Z8 and use adapter with 500 pf lens. That should be a nice combo.

[@classic.cameras]

Vintage Nikkor F Mount. The most underrated lenses of the modern age of mirrorless. I absolutely love vintage Nikon lenses on my Canon or Sony Mirrorless cameras. Such good glass.

[@potatofuryy]

Yeah my favorite lens right now is an old 1970s 35mm f2 nikkor. It might not compete with modern glass in raw sharpness or distortion but it definitely has great character and creates great pictures.

[@mpw621]

I agree, Vintage Nikkor F mount lens are great, using them with the Leica CL digital.

[@stevehawkinsvideography]

Thanks for the historic perspective on Nikon and how they got to where they are. I am primarily a video shooter and have been suffering the Z6's deficiencies, mostly in autofocus for several years. I had even budgeted a swap over to SONY (where most of my colleagues are already shooting A7sIII and FX-3 & 30's) at $12 to 15,000 with a 20% professional discount (something Nikon doesn't even come close to). Then came the Z8 just in time to save the day, at least for my budget. I've had it for a couple of weeks and am loving it! Finally I don't have to hide the fact that I'm shooting Nikon within my group of fellow video shooters.

[@forgedfromfreedom]

The D850 was Nikons finest moment. The Z8 takes that legacy and smashes forward with it into the future. I will never sell either camera and I’m so glad I waited 5 years for the Z8 without switching.

[@jonstewart9315]

Even though I don’t shoot action and wildlife I would love the Z8 because it’s the only high resolution body except for the Z9 to shoot oversampled 4k60p while being significantly cheaper and smaller than the Z9.

[@henakos]

Canon R6 and R6ii uses oversampled 4k60. And R5 in crop mode.

[@questioneverything680]

@@henakos r5c as well but that is a much more niche camera in all fairness

[@williambuford6136]

@@henakos Jon is referring the Nikon Bodies. Canon has nice gear, but they do not feel or handle like Nikon cameras. Enjoying Z lenses and the Z8 here!

[@jonstewart9315]

@@henakos Yes the R6 and R6II shot oversampled 4k60p but they’re only 20 and 24 megapixels not 45 like the Z8 and Z9. In response to the R5 crop mode can be a pain because you can’t shoot wide angle. It really is a pain when you frequently switch between stills and video.

[@angelamaloney4871]

When I did the switch to mirrorless I went Nikon -> Sony. And I love Sony. They’re incredible. My only complaint-and it’s a big one-is the lack of firmware updates. I mean their flagship doesn’t even connect to their new app. But Nikon seems to be bouncing back. And I’m happy to see that. Even though I switched, I still have sentimental feelings about Nikon (and also Fuji). The latest Nikon offerings have been catching my attention, as have their ongoing firmware updates. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Nikon made a reappearance in my camera bag the way things are going.

[@JetBen555]

Nikon updated the Z9 a couple of time because it was WAY behind the competition and was barely functional. Initially, the Z9 was basically a product in development with a beta software. Nikon needed tester, so they sold the camera at a discount to get more feedback. All their other models didn't receive the same love. To be fair, it's not a bad strategy, it's gonna pay off in the long run because all this new algorithm that they are developing (and funded by said beta tester) is going to trickle down to more consumer oriented product. Stop it with the firmware update non sense, there's not a whole lot of cameras that get substantial upgrade, not even flagship. Generally, company will do it to stay competitive but only if they really HAVE TO, if they are still competitive then, it's a waste of resources/time/effort.

[@angelamaloney4871]

@@JetBen555 You’re right. Firmware updates that add features are not at all common in the industry. In fact, looking at the change logs of various camera models, I see that only cameras made by Nikon, Canon, Fuji, Olympus/OM-D, Hassleblad, Leica, and past Sony models have been kept up to date with firmware updates. It is totally unreasonable to expect Sony to keep up with other companies like, say, themselves and the rest of that small slice of the camera industry. Not to mention the entire rest of the electronics industry. In fact, I regularly chat with my regional sony sales rep about this sort of thing and when I raised the firmware issue with him, his response was quite compelling: “I can’t defend Sony on this one.” Well, if Sony’s own rep can’t defend his company about it, clearly I should recognize that this is compelling reasoning for me to recognize the righteousness of Sony’s position. But here’s the real kicker: some random internet user who knows nothing about the industry and whose claims are easily disproven by looking at firmware change logs from any company in the industry disagrees and wants me to refrain from talking about it. Well. If that’s not compelling, what is?

[@s87343jim]

Nikon did invest into mirrorless though. They have the Nikon 1 series launched in 2011. It's actually a lovely camera system. I felt like it was just the good product in the wrong time.

[@tottisphoto3241]

I had build a nikon system , u know plenty of glass of f mount and it was difficult to change to sony or fuji from many prespectives (economically, use of that system , results /colours), so I sticked to nikon and changing slowly my lenses to z ,with a lot of faith to nikon . I had a lot of difficulties i admit with the z6 especially at events! missing shots BUT i found a way to save things and now finally JUSTISE!" I am seeing light" and I am so happy Thank you so much guys for that big News!

[@leric4205]

L'histoire des appareils hybrides débute en 2008 lorsque Panasonic et Olympus adaptent le nouveau format de capteur micro 4/3 sur des boîtiers sans miroir pour les modèles Panasonic Lumix G1 et Olympus PEN E-P1. Un grand merci à Panasonic et Olympus !!! et vive NIKON ! The history of mirrorless cameras began in 2008 when Panasonic and Olympus adapted the new micro 4/3 sensor format to mirrorless bodies for the Panasonic Lumix G1 and Olympus PEN E-P1 models. Many thanks to Panasonic and Olympus !! long live Nikon !!

[@TheAccidentalPhotographer]

The one thing missing in your discussion is context of company size - Nikon are about 1/10th the size of Canon let alone Sony. Those two companies have been able to throw bucket loads more money into R&D than Nikon....

[@GeorgePrince]

I am so glad I stayed on the Nikon course and didn't waiver or switch since starting in the film days.

[@amphonix_blue]

I started with Canon but quickly switched to Nikon. After many years (40+) of shooting Nikon, in 2015 I tried the early Sony cameras but sold them within the year, (yuch), then went on to try Olympus mirrorless and expanding my small Leica gear set - mostly for Street and Travel. Olympus were small, light and accurate m4/3rds cameras but lacked highlight quality, so I almost gave up on mirrorless. I went back to Nikon for shooting weddings and portraiture and loved my brace of D850s. In desperation for a decent mirrorless camera, I invested in a Leica SL which was fantastic but in desperation for a lightweight Street camera I tried the Nikon Z7. Oh dear. In the end I sold off ALL my Nikon cameras and most of my non telephoto lenses and turned completely to Leica. I upgraded my Z7 to a Z7ii for landscape and street photography but basically gave up on Nikon, expecting nothing would happen to turn their fortunes around as they were still so far behind. BUT - I finally got wind of the Z8 earlier this year and ordered one on launch day and a week later BINGO - Nikon was back. I have to say that my brace of D850s were the finest , most flexible all-purpose cameras I have ever used from Nikon, however this Z8 looks like it is the true mirrorless replacement for that camera model. It has finally restored my faith in Nikon - and the Z lenses are great! Long live Nikon.

[@trenshaw40]

I have the R5 and it’s too heavy when I put an L lens on it. I hate that. Same for the z8?

[@amphonix_blue]

@@trenshaw40 Nah. Still lighter with Z lenses than the equivalent D850 + same F mount lens combo

[@janinacooper4199]

I started out with a Nikon D7100 and loved that camera! When time came to think about future upgrades to get more into wildlife photography, I was faced with a difficult decision: I always though the D850 would be the greatest next step, but 2 years ago it when mirrorless was the obvious future technology, the next great camera development from Nikon that I hoped for did not happen and was nowhere in sight. I started getting very hesitant to pay the full price for a new camera with older tech and the new z cameras did not convince me. I decided to jump the Nikon ship at this point. Now I’m a happy canon shooter, but if the z8 had been a possibility back then, I definitely would have stayed with Nikon. It took forever to retrain my muscle memory from the Nikon direction of zooming etc. to the canon way. I really hope all the best for Nikons future, we need them around alongside canon and Sony. ❤

[@RogerZoul]

As a Canon shooter, I’m happy that Nikon is back! It’s good for everyone.

[@gonzaloviramonte]

I bought the z8 after watching several videos like this, I think it is a slightly more complex camera than a z6ii, I would say that it is not a camera for hobbyists at all. In my case I am a photographer. I had the d850 and then I moved to the z6ii. I bought this one now since I loved the d850 but due to weight I decided to change. Something that no one says, and that if I had known I wouldn't buy it, is that the z8 outputs Raw in 45 megapixels only. It does not allow you to take 20 like the d850 did (it only allows it in JPG). And that really makes it very difficult to work on the photos later if you don't have a very high-performance PC. In my case I use HDr a lot. The camera is incredible, I only needed that and the Delay Mode to be able to use the shooting banks with a timer (I know that the z9 includes it). Greetings!

[@jamesdotd53]

I've stayed with Nikon the whole time, but struggled with the mirrorless bodies until the Z9 and now the Z8. I own both.

[@Mr09260]

I went from D850 to Z7 >> couldnt be happier

[@rudyversus]

Z7 I was disappointed

[@sequoi_]

@@rudyversus how come?

[@darioarellano5571]

I started in photography with Nikon in 2011 with a D3100. Then D3200, D7100, and currently I have the D500 and D850 with nine F mount lenses. I'm happy staying with my two DSLR's. I'm also happy to see Nikon doing better. If I were to go mirroless, I would get the Z8 and adapter to continue using my F mount glass. I don't see myself making the switch for at least 3 or 4 years.

[@PeteTheGeek196]

I'm still using my original Z6. Nikon has rewarded us early adopters with a very different and more capable camera through many firmware updates. I'm very happy with it, for both photography and videography. If I have to replace my Z6, I will seriously consider the Z8. It's a lot more camera than I need, but I will be able to grow into it for many years.

[@gunny2044]

As a wildlife photographer I absolutely love my Z9. I've been considering purchasing another Z9 as my second body, but I'm now considering the Z8 to fill that slot.

[@marendradika]

Waiting for Nikon Z5II with a BSI-CMOS, Dual Processors, Dual Highest Speed SD Cards, 4K Video, Latest Autofocus Tech. on Still and Video...for a beginner , this kills

[@mvv1408]

I am not a pro photographer, but an enthusiast. What I'd like is a Z70 version of the D7200: lot's of buttons, dual card slot, weather seal, one or two good non-plasticky DX primes. I don''t need fullframe, 24 mp DX is enough. If they could make one for ~ the price of the current D7500, it would definitely be my next camera and I wouldn't be surprised if it would sell like crazy in gereral.

[@randychestnut6591]

I have been a Nikon shooter for 20 years. I was a Pentax film guy before that. I have owned a D80 (wore out shutter, not woth repairing), D7100 and D780. I have not yet switched to mirrorless, because of investment in F mount glass. I am getting close to moving because of the Z lenses, especially 14-30 f4 S, and 24-120 f4 S, both perfect for my travel needs. My current equipment is far better than I am a photographer. More practice needed!

[@CraigEggleton]

On my second Z8. Bought a used one a few months back and then sold it. After using a few canon and Sony cameras I kept missing the Z8. Do I need this much camera? no. But it sure is a pure joy to shoot and has a unique look and quality I absolutely love. Grading NLog is a breeze as well.

[@garym985]

I shoot with D850 every day and absolutely love it. The Z8 had been rumored for years and I bought it on day 1 of its release. Here's what troubles me about Nikon. The Z8 took forever to hit the market and when it did? A recall! How could Nikon take that long to finally release this beautiful box and not get it right?

[@LionRunner]

I'm a non professional Nikon still photo shooter. If I win a lottery (or gifted) I would probably pick Sony. I would not care for Nikon mirrorless because my Nikon dslr lenses won't work as good as Nikon mirroless mount lenses (as far as I understand.). Nowadays I think I would get any money worth selling even for my 24-70, 70-200. For anyone thinking "if you are not a pro why you need DSLR? Just use the phone?" but since I print I see a HUGE difference between phone pics vs DSLR. I absolutely love the dynamic range, skin tone and overall colors DSLR give vs phone pics.

[@Lucidexplore]

Always preferred Nikon image quality and ergonomics the most. I'm glad they are back! Definitely getting the Z8.

[@washingtonradio]

I'm a Nikon shooter, I'm happy to see Nikon be competitive. The impression many have of Nikon is they maybe still little behind Canon and Sony overall but they are catching up fast.

[@kengeorge6965]

Great Nikon history lesson. I started with and FTn in 1974, then an F2 in 1975. Paul Simon and I shared the same feeling, I loved my Nikon and my Kodachrome, but I needed to make some extra $ so I sold my Nikon body, my 24mm and my 180mm lenses and bought a Bronica ETR and started doing weddings. The Bronica locked up electronically after a few months, under warranty, but I didn't trust it anymore, so I got a 1959 vintage Hasselblad C for weddings and got a Pentax ME for snapshots. After getting out of the wedding business, I got rid of the Hasselblad and looked back at Nikon and got the D50 on which I could use my old AI converted 35mm f/2 and 85mm f1.8, then the D90, but didn't do any weddings again until getting a D7200. I never felt compelled to do FX until the D850. I agree, best DSLR ever made! But for snap shots, I didn't want to lug it around, so got the Z50, and 2 years later Z6ii. I'm not sure I'll get the Z8 just yet. I just use the camera for landscapes and travel photos. My hope is that a small bodied Z6iii or other new small FX model will come out, better suited for someone who travels a lot, and as you can tell from my long history with Nikon, an old guy who doesn't want to lug around heavy stuff on vacation. Are you guys anticipating a smaller form factor upgrade to the Z6 and/or Z7? Keep the content coming!!

[@jmfoty4280]

I have been a Nikon shooter since 1988 when my new Nikon 8008 replaced my Pentax ME Super. I've been shooting with Nikon's D750 for 8 or 9 years now. It has served me well, but it is nearing the time when I need/want to move to mirrorless. It is disturbing to me how Nikon was extremely slow at engineering mirrorless as the highest level of competition appears to have left Nikon in the dust... and many Nikon bodies are now sitting on a shelf gathering dust. I could move onto to Nikon D850 and continue with my collection of lenses, move in mirrorless Nikon's or make a huge jump into Sony. Oh, what should I do?

[@harmenvanwelbergen4224]

I am still completely hooked on my D850. I never shoot video. But now with the coming of the z8 I might in time be tempted to go to mirrorless. Thank you for your review!

[@janekeehn3842]

Last weekend, my partner upgraded from her beloved D750 to the Z8, at an Australian dollar price (including the Z lens 100-400 and a lens converter and batteries etc) of around $11,000! She was reluctant about spending soooooo much money, but I convinced her, she owed it to her wildlife/bird photography hobby and her creativity. She is impressed with the speed of auto focus and frames per second and the sharpness of images. Plus the weight of the whole set up is so much less than her old camera gear. I think the Z8 will take her photos to a whole new level. I’ll be sticking with my OMD 1 Mark 2 out in the wild on our holidays but can’t wait to see the difference in results using the Z8!

[@williambuford6136]

Love that Z8 and z100-400 lens combo for Wildlife and bird photography! Big improvement over the D750!

[@boostedmaniac]

If the Z9 didn’t come out when it did and at the price point, I would’ve switched to Sony. I’ve been a Nikon shooter since the 90s. I’m glad Nikon is back. Always loved the ergonomics and the brand.

[@Digmen1]

Great video Tony and Chelsea, as a low end Nikonn fany since the 1970s I had written you off as camera infleuncers. But I really liek the way you do "history" Eg that cross secton of a DSLR which showed the two sensors - I never even knew that. Also the Canon dual pixel a/f I did not realise it was the game changer. What about the Nikon 90D as the first DSLR with video? And Sony being the brand to go all out on mirrorless! I'm waiting for the Nikon Z6iii as the Z8 is out of my budget (as a retired guy)

[@AghaDesignsStudio-50]

Another period worth discussing regarding a self-inflicted wound, was the Nikon D610 Era. I'm a Nikon shooter and owned a later version of the D610. The earlier versions had an oil spatter problem. Nikon happily fixed it if you had the problem, but publicly refused to acknowledge that it existed. This P'd off a lot of supporters. If they had publicly announced that there was a problem, "send your camera in and we'll fix it", people would have been much happier. As was, they lost a lot of customers. I now shoot the D850, and am excited about looking at the Z8!

[@Mixer000999]

As many others I was waiting for Z8 to make a big jump from Nikon DX DSLR to mirrorless. As an amateur with a limited budget I cannot change system every so often. Once Nikon - always Nikon. But I need a camera for both landscape/travel and wildlife, and Z8 body is too big for my requirements. I expected Z8 body being similar to Z6/Z7 size wise. So what now? Is Nikon planning to make a "baby Z8" like it made a "baby Z9"? I would be happy to have Z7 III with autofocus capabilities of Z8.

[@HtoC940]

After using the Z7 for 4 years, and waiting for Nikon to release any single rectilinear lens wider than 14 mm, I left for Canon and the 10-20 f4. So far, I couldn't be happier. The Z8 looks great, but it's mostly just on par with the R5, a 4-year-old camera. I just felt perpetually behind while I was using Nikon. With that said, I think Nikon has a great selection of light weight, but optically incredible, lenses at reasonable prices.

[@smashdon5277]

I am mostly a Nikon shooter, but I am using and have used many Sony and Canon mirror less as well, but i always keep going back to Nikon. Even when their autofocus wasn't the best, there was so much other functionality and user experience which was much better than the competition. And with Nikon, there were always ways to work around the limitations, once you explore the system a bit more, so i've never felt crippled even with the earlier nikons. i currently have a z6ii and a z5 and a canon r6 and a few older DSLRs and crop sonys, but i have to say the z6ii ends up being used way more than the others. I don't need use of a z8 because I am more comfortable with the lower Megapixels, and overall I'm really happy for Nikon!

[@williambuford6136]

I have the Z8 but I still love the z6ii. It has produced some great photos, but the Z lens are definitely better. I have been selingl my F-mount Glass and replacing them with Z mount.

[@smashdon5277]

@@williambuford6136 i do have the Z 24-70 F4, 50 1.8 and 35 1.8, but i do have other F glass as well. Also I like the fact that i can adapt my canon glass to the Nikon z with the fringer adapter, so i have a huge collection of lenses for the z mount.

[@slewisgreen]

i have the Z6ii, the Z8 does look quite fantastic, but it is larger and heavier...and I am not a professional..."size is everything" almost. I will stay with the Z6ii. Thanks for the video and history.

[@kuhaniresti]

I was Chelsea who convinced me to get the D850. It was my switch from a Canon user for almost a decade.

[@joserocha1840]

I started my interest in photography with a D50 in 2005 and was later a very happy owner of a D300 and shortly after the spectacular D700 with the amazing holy trinity of f/2.8 lenses. But around 2014 or so, I got the mirrorless itch and abandoned the system completely. Went from the 1st generation of Sony APS-C and FF cameras, then Olympus, Fujifilm, stayed a few years with Canon... and now I'm a happy camper with both a Sony A7iii and a Fujifilm X100V - two great cameras for different purposes and I love them for what they do. I never had any desire to try a Z camera until this new Z8. I have good feeling about it, it makes me think about how happy I was with the D700... Maybe one day, we'll never know. I'm liking the Sony system and haven't got any desire to switch systems due to the amount of glass options. But I'm here rooting for Nikon!

[@Studio-T]

I've been shooting the D850 for 6 wonderful years and just received my Z8🎉. I'm so excited!

[@captainbozo01]

A great thing about Nikon improving the cameras with firmware updates is that it's not just limited to the top end models - even the Z5 keeps getting improvements, like them putting the autofocus in a completely different league with version 1.40

[@russellwright9961]

That’s because they are truly building into their mirrorless system. Pretty soon they’ll have everything from amateur bodies to Cinema bodies and lenses, and will be a true game changer…

[@captainbozo01]

@@russellwright9961 I doubt there's going to be dedicated cine bodies from Nikon, not gonna lie. But I do think that they'll put more and more of the top end bodies' amazing video features into lower end cameras too over time.

[@michaellee3903]

I think you both bring up some very solid points and as a dedicated Nikon user one thing that does drive me up the wall with Nikon is that their product development team is always behind the eight ball when it comes to adopting new features. They're more followers than trend setters and I think this was best exemplified by the first generation Z6 and Z7. The Z9 ultimately fixed all these mishaps, but I'll be curious to see where things stand say in five to ten years time. The bigger issue with all the major camera producers is to convince a new generation of people to buy into ILCs instead of relying on mainly older users.

[@ekloc]

I've used Nikon pretty much all my life and I have accumulated many F-mount lenses. This has kept me from switching brands. All I had to do is to refresh my camera once I felt the technology improved substantially. I'm happy Nikon finally introduced new compelling mirrorless cameras but with the Z-mount lenses I feel that my F-mount lenses are no longer an asset. I know I can use adapters, but in time those lenses will be deprecated. Picking next camera system is not going to be all that easy for me and owning Nikon now will not influence my decision too much. Nikon might have two new decent cameras but they have a long road ahead of them to fully recover.

[@seanb480]

Hurray for Nikon! I'm still a hardcore DSLR user, nonetheless I want to see Nikon representing the mirrorless world as good as it's done with the mirrored ones! Keep up with always being critical of issues when you see them! Now some joy.

[@keithspurlock4732]

I still have my Nikon F2 from my high school years I got for Christmas from my parents, and I still have my F3 I got in 1985. I'm stuck now with Lumix S1 and S1R and Lumix Pro-S lenses and can't really afford to trade all my Pro-S lenses and bodies for a F8, but sure would love to! So, I still have Nikon in my heart! They were Kings back in the 70's! Maybe someday I'll be able to afford to trade back to Nikon!

[@walterbulmer5296]

Over the last 3 months I’ve changed my D750 & D500 to Z6ii & Z7ii with 24to120 and waiting delivery of th 180 - 600 which is replacing my 200-500 I’m very pleased upto now and can’t wait to get my hands on the 180-600 😉

[@Anon-zl4ne]

Nikon has definitely taken the lead for sports and wildlife shooters with their new telephoto lenses, not just their cameras.

[@charlesworton4020]

Just bought a Z8, and am very impressed by it. It's the only camera in this price range to have a stacked sensor, which virtually solves the rolling shutter problem that plagues everyone else. It also has a 1/32000 top speed, far higher than the competition. And their video capability is far better as well. It's a spectacular camera.

[@harryburnett7086]

I admit I was a little on fence about your channel since 2018 but now you are real people and honest

[@rakeshravindran3147]

The only problem with what you said is that O know for sure that Sony will not be able to use the same sensor in Z8 in their camera immediately. Usually when companies contracts out the design and purchase, they put an limited exclusive usage clause. Otherwise Sony could also sell this to another camera manufacturer strictly competing with Nikon (not just themselves). The limited exclusive clause allows Nikon to be the sole user of that specific tech for a period of time 8-24 months from the date of first end user product. This is common in many industries (chip manufacturers etc…) However, this doesn’t mean Sony is not coming up with a new sensor design to compete with Canon’s quad pixel, which I think will be the one in their next camera.

[@GG-zv9ku]

my first Nikon was the D40, then upgraded over the years as I got more in to photography. They got amazing lenses and im glad they still around. My new Z8 will be here soon. I never left Nikon. I just keep my Nikon DSLR until now. Its about the amazing Nikon lenses.

[@Hawaifishingfun]

Great vid. Am I excited? Yes! But will I get one? No. I was very lucky to borrow a friend's z8 last week and while it is a FANTASTIC camera, I feel comfortable with what I have now. I mainly shoot weddings and portraits. The z II line is what made me unwillingly part with my D850s. My main issue with nikon focus is it still gets "distracted". Water/bubbles, confetti, grass and even someone walking by throw the focus off on my 7II and seems to do the same with the z8. Less so, but still. So while it grabs REAL hard and hangs on better than my 7II that one issue is still there. I would say if anyone doesn't have a II camera that wants a good Nikon or anyone that still doesn't like the focus on the IIs should definitely pick one up. will not disappoint on the AF

[@jrodewald2010]

I've been on Nikon with an FM decades ago. Been with them ever since. The thought of shifting brands was painful due to that long history, but I am glad I stuck my ground and couldn't be more pleased with my latest Z7ii body.

[@MrsGrens]

Switched from Nikon to Sony 18 months ago but still have my D850 & 85mm, though I haven't used them in over a year. Happy to see Nikon catching up. Just sad it was too late for me.

[@unstanic]

The ergonomics are nice, but what I just cannot overlook is the huge height of this thing right above the lens with the hotshoe. I know it's Nikon's signature thing, but for the love of god they could have modernized it a bit. Canon made it smaller and rounder and Fujifilm made it very low profile and edgy. Just look at the height of this thing 20:08. Aesthetics could be a deal breaker for some, including me.

[@baljindersinghsidhu3959]

I'm a Nikon shooter and love using Nikon.. nothing better than this.. In the future, I'll buy Z8 for sure.. currently using Z6ii..❤❤❤❤❤

[@christophermucha2855]

I had the D850 and was thinking of switching to the Sony A1 and their 600mm lens. Luckily I was not able to obtain a copy of the lens and got the Z9 shortly after it came out. Was not thrilled with the 3D tracking compared to Sony and Canyon but it has gotten much better. Just got the z8 last month and sold my D850. Currently in the process of switching out lenses. Seems Nikon has the best options for wildlife lenses but supper long wait times.

[@SchmandLappen]

I found the Z6 performed pretty well from a technical point of view but it lacked the image quality. And by that I mean color rendering. It was nothing like on the DSLR bodies (except for the D780 and D6 because they feature the Z series sensors). Washed out, no good color separation, very magenta'ish skin tones no matter what you did and it weirdly also lacked the usual "3D pop", even when using adapted FX lenses. Sold it super fast and went back to their older DSLRs.

[@MrWelster]

yes I'm really exited on the Z8. Love your honesty.

[@MrHitthespot]

I started with a minolta 201. Then bought a Nikon FA. Loved that camera till it decided not to work anymore. Bought a Canon EOS. I think it was an A2E. Amazing camera in its day and took great pictures. When I went replace it I looked at digital 7D but don’t remember the digital Nikons I looked at. I found the pictures at the time very cold from the Nikons. I bought the Canon 7D and 100-400 lens. Took some of the best nature photos I’ve ever taken. When it was time to replace it, Nikon had the D500 and the 200-500 lens out. All at what I thought was reasonable prices. I’ve got some good pictures with this setup but they don’t have the pop the Canon had. I’m looking to upgrade to mirrorless and the Z8 and 180-600 or the 600pf is the ticket. Unfortunately no one has the wildlife lens selection Nikon does, especially for the price. However I believe Canon sensors take better pictures. Can’t explain it and can’t process from the Nikon raw files. They just look more 3 dimensional to me.

[@RayLombardi]

Love my Z9! The technology has advanced so much in general, it is unreal what cameras allow us to do. Long live Nikon!

[@who2u333]

I hope you are right. I have been shooting Nikon since the early 80's and except for the autofocus I am still happy with Nikon. I will move to another maker if needed, but as a non-pro, I don't want to have to change all of my glass. So, I am still hoping Nikon can pull out of it's nosedive.

[@colinmclean1300]

Im going for z8 as soon as the hype calms down and availability is improved. Will keep my z7ii as a backup.

[@WaechterDerNacht]

I've been working in product development since some years now. From my experience, it doesn't need to be the case that Nikon "just buys sensors" from Sony. Quite often, OEM's get approached by customers with a specific idea / concept, which they might have tested already in a prototype or where the OEM makes those tests and prototypes, which excludes the OEM himself or other customers of using that technology based on those initial concepts. This means, that Sony might know what Nikon wants from them for their sensors, but they can not use that technology themselves. So they have to either find ways around a patent or have to pay the customer licensing fees. Sure, the OEM does then know what their customer / competitor is doing, but does not make it that much easier.

[@chromaticvisuelle]

I started with a D3000, then a D7000, then a D600, then switched to Sony, a6300 for few months, then a7rii for silent photography for classical concerts and video. Then Fuji xt2, loved it but missed the full frame, back to Nikon with a Z6. Such a lovely camera! I'm back at the right time 😊

[@timolheiser7874]

My journey with Nikon started when I moved from the Canon T90 to the F4E, back in the film days. My journalism days I used the NikonT90 with the big hunking Kodak card reader. I purchased my first DSLR with the D2x, then the D2xs, and later moved to my present camera the D800E. These new mirrorless cameras I have been waiting for them to become used cameras, as I refuse to spend a ton of money on new systems, and lenses. I have been watching photographers vlogs and how they use the Z7, 8, and 9, but price is still a barrier to me. They are someday cameras.

[@cdmikelis]

4:00 - before I watch further. DSLRs were complex in order to do such thing as 3D tracking because they had to have 2 concurrent systems (sensors) for image processing. One for focus, tracking and exposure, the other for actual image acquisition. And those systems had to be perfectly calibrated and work very fast interchangeably when shooting a burst of images ... but it was doable and it was done. DSLR cameras were more expensive for his. Than we had cheap mirrorless consumer cameras where main sensor took all the task and only one processor had to be put in. Way cheaper to make and manufacturers came to an idea "well, how if we make our top of the line cameras also cheap to manufacture and sell them at greater margin" -> FFW -> mirrorless cameras are WAY less complex and cheaper to manufacture yet the products on the shelf are MUCH more expensive. Right, the user have such a benefit that makes sense to ditch all he invested in before and star from scratch, even from his knowledge side, right? Well, NO! In 2023 we have cameras that are at some 4th or 5th generation since ditching the mirror/AF sensor and we barely can hope we really get product that had no more shortcomings behind last flagship DSLRs we once had and that 2023 is maybe finally time to make upgrade (to even call it upgrade). Jump ONLY helped industry and forced market to adapt (invest) a lot into new gear that will eventually (in 6th generation) deliver what they already had + some more. I am pesimist and claim that they will never deliver all and equal. They will just push new and hope we will die once and forget what it was before.

[@cdmikelis]

which Chelsea essentially said in few sentences later ...

[@RollinLeonard]

everybody needs to salute these legends for never taking sponsorship money from the products they review