Not Every Event is from God's Doing

God is not a god pushing buttons in the sky to cause every event. God created a good world, but not a perfect world, with creatures with free will that can fail. That's the reason there's evil and danger in his creation. Check this out!

[@phearlesspharaoh3697]

I had a pretty low opinion and little use for theologians… then came Michael Heiser! Not only did he change my opinion of theologians, (some of them) he changed the way i understand the word of God. Michael was an amazing man; a gift from God who left us too soon. 😎✝️

[@debbiewareing1178]

That is exactly how I think it is! Sometimes God intervenes, sometimes He doesn’t! He set up His creation (nature) to work without His necessary input, but He can and will do if it is His will! Thank you Lord God for Dr Heiser, so pleased He is resting with you now but equally sad that mankind no longer has his wisdom. Maranatha

[@eraldojl]

Blessed be our Lord Jesus Christ He is almost here Repent Endure Believe

[@danabrattlof989]

“All the world was never Eden” is such a profound biblical observation!!

[@isahunnybee]

This was something I had to learn! GOD ISNT PUNISHING ME!❤

[@robinpresleywoodward]

Ultimately…Father is in control of His Creation.

[@MrFboccia]

Love and miss you Michael H.

[@your_name_here2158]

The Enemy is a prowling Lion seeking whom he may devour. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. They sacrificed unto demons And the evil spirits said unto him... Evil is real. It is organized. It is not commanded by God, nor is it allied or 'working for' Him. It is His Enemy, and it will be destroyed. Yahuah will have His day of judgement!

[@Plethorality]

Evil is not an entity, or it would have been specifically created by God to be evil. Evil is a result of actions without love. Yes, there are beings who have chosen to do evil, but evil cannot exist, in and of itself.

[@solobo5823]

What does Gods Word say right before resist the devil and he will flee from you? It says, submit then yourselves to God…James 4:7 🙏🏻

[@j.m.4858]

Awesome 😎

[@lukemacri6557]

I'd like to hear Heiser's position in this regard on disease, or death. Natural processes inherent to an imperfect, incomplete world, or somehow the product of sin and attributable to evil?

[@DRMSH]

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[@lukemacri6557]

@@DRMSH Many thanks For hunting that down for me! Interesting! So, Heiser makes a special category for human death. I suppose this kind of makes sense given the extraordinary lifespans in the antediluvian stories, but I'm not sure how fair it is to take Paul's contrasting Adam and Christ so literally as to be compelled to make such a special category.

[@christianfrommuslim]

@@lukemacri6557 As a Christian with a graduate science degree, it occurs to me that if humans can genetic engineer, why can't evil beings like demons do it? Why can't they tweak cancer genes or adapt insects into mosquitos?

[@okEPlant]

The Bible Project podcast also talked about this. That concept about "was the world perfect in the beginning?" The better way to understand it is that God created mankind to participate with Him in subdueing and ruling thr earth, bringing chaos into order. There was no sin, pain, or death until the fall of man, but there was chaos and order, and man was placed in the garden to cultivate it and to multiply and spread out snd fill the earth, expanding the order and goodness of eden out to thr entire world eventually in partnership with God and of course in willing and joyful submission to God, in which man would be completely fulfilled, at peace, and living in his and her true design.

[@champpit1]

Ultimately, EVERYTHING that happens happens because God permits it. It's all apart of his plan!

[@nereida116]

Romans 9:21 ESV "... Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?" THEREFORE, YAWEH IS ABSOLUTELY SOVEREIGN.

[@Jim-Mc]

I think the problem of "Natural Evil" isn't a product on man's fall but the previous angelic one. Hence the necessity of a garden, and the reason the Serpent was already doing evil. In a lot of traditional systems lesser spirits govern nature , so if they rebelled it makes sense why nature was broken.

[@graybillythekid]

There was no previous angelic fall before eden. Thts a made up belief that is nowhere to be found in scripture. It's from a book called paradise lost by a guy named Milton. The book was very popular so the belief became popular n is sadly taught as doctrine even tho it's nowhere in scripture.

[@Jim-Mc]

@@graybillythekid It's older than that. And I know who Milton is you condescending waste.

[@metabolights]

It’s curious that one of the keys given to Christians filled with the Holy Spirit is the Word, to declare reality: “where 2 of you agree as touching anything, it will be done unto you .” This perspective will change the way people see evil having access to one’s life. Spiritual laws, revoking access, praying and blessing objects and one’s property as much as one’s own body. These are prompts to consider in this context.

[@lenidgiftshop2735]

We miss you doc

[@heavensarmiesmarc]

This is the only time I disagree with my man 😂

[@spitfirered]

👍👍💯💯👏👏✔✔❤❤

[@campparsonssundayschool7844]

“When God wants to judge a nation, He gives them wicked rulers” John Calvin.

[@christianfrommuslim]

Voila! Here we are.

[@BibleSamurai]

This is conjecture for the most part

[@MoStBlEsSeD]

GOD is sovereign over all thing even evil , but he doesnt control evil doing everything , and if he does he uses it for his glorification , example he used assyria and babylon to punish israel ... and then punished them ,, he chastises and disciplones his children .. stove is hot dont touch but he will let you touch it to learn ..

[@joshgaston7839]

But if you touch the stove, do you believe he caused you to do it??

[@MoStBlEsSeD]

@joshgaston7839 not necessarily no , but he didn't stop you or remove the stove either , he gave us the choice to listen to him or not .. but if you are one of his and you disobey he will chastise you.. with whatever means he wants.. he is GOD after all and he show mercy to whom he chooses

[@IsraelCountryCube]

​@@joshgaston7839yes God fail because I touched it is not my fault!! I was young boy when touch hot stove and it hurt!

[@Bibleguy89-uu3nr]

@@IsraelCountryCubeYou still remember it don’t you?

[@joshgaston7839]

@@MoStBlEsSeD You kind of just created your own question then answered that lol

[@StephenNotmanlogosinliterature]

This idea somewhat confuses me. I like Dr. Heiser very much (RIP), I'm struggling with the concept of the Devil and his minions being servants of God's wrath, delivering punishments where he sees fit...and the Devil being a positive, malign force with free will that seeks the destruction of souls. As an example of this tension, I ask, "In cases of demonic possession, is God the ultimate agent sending the Devil into the person for a mysterious purpose known only to him?" or, is God innocent of all evil, and the Devil is acting on his own? It just seems to me that whenever I hear theologians/apologists explain evil, they are careful to exonerate God by not presenting counter evidence to the exculpatory explanation they give. I'm not a Calvinist, but I do at least acknowledge a consistency in their position on evil: God created all, including evil, but he's God and he's good, and it's his plan. Trust it. Glory to him. They are at least willing to bite the bullet and acknowledge certain explanations (like for evil) are beyond our pay grade and God owes us no further explanation having already shed his blood for us at the Cross.

[@servant-of-Yeshua]

You believe Calvinists are consistent in their position about evil? You said in their position, God created evil, and yet He is good. Can you explain how a morally perfect, Omnibenevolent being can also be the author of evil? I find that to be the opposite of consistency. I think you have found a good reason to remain a non-Calvinist.

[@user-yn2ct2ie9m]

The only way I can think about this is that chaos and evil are just not fully explained in the Bible. Chaos exists and the Spirit of God formed order from it. I think the fall speaks more about the capacity to be intentional in evil. To invent or “procreate” with chaos to produce evil (Romans 1:30). Previous to the fall, this wasn’t possible. So evil described in the Bible seems to be concerning human interaction with chaos to intend harm. Natural evil such as tornados are simply a reality or a system that sustains itself through boundaries made by God and are described as such (Proverbs 8:29). For example, if you walk off a cliff, your body is interacting with the law of gravity to produce your death-it’s all interaction within the system not necessarily evil. Free will, moral evil is judged by free will agents either interacting with God’s spirit of justice (ie jail) or that the sins themselves destroy the person because that’s the natural progression of sin. But God has power over the system and chaos (ie Elisha calling down fire from heaven or the Great Flood). When Jesus walked on water (chaos imagery) or calmed the storm (chaos imagery), the disciples essentially asked who is this that tames the storms and walks on water-the answer is God. So God does have power over chaos. This is also personified by “hooking the nose” of leviathan (Job 41:1 another chaos image). The book of revelation is the ultimate defeat of that chaos-where the final chaos image is defeated-death (1 Corinthians 15:26).

[@StephenNotmanlogosinliterature]

@@servant-of-Yeshua I hear ya, servant. It is a vexing conundrum. It is logically possible, while being emotionally horrible, to accept that God is in his own category, incomparable to any human referent. Such that, he can be both All Good and create evil for the purpose of bringing about a greater good, on his timeline. To accept this, admittedly, does involve eliminating the idea of eternal Hell because we are dealing with something is more collectivist than individual, treating us more like a school of souls than an individual.

[@servant-of-Yeshua]

@@StephenNotmanlogosinliterature So, when you say "he [God] can be both All Good and create evil..." do you mean God creates moral evil? I get that some translations of the Bible say that God creates evil in Isaiah 45:7, but the Hebrew word there is "רע" which is better translated as "calamity". The author could have chosen the Hebrew word for moral evil, which is "רשע", but he didn't. If your statement implies that God is the author of moral evil (even if it is with some "greater good" in mind), then I reject the premise. It would make Jesus' statement that "no one is good except God alone" nonsensical since everyone can be "good" under that definition of good. We can all think of ways to act out of moral evil with the idea of bringing about a greater good. We know it would be wrong for us to do that, but God somehow gets a pass because he "is in his own category?" If anything, God should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. But I like that you recognize that the God of Calvinism who authors moral evil to bring about a greater good can't also create an eternal hell, since the "greater good" of eternal life with a few beings is completely cancelled out by the infinite punishment of even more beings. A greater good isn't greater if a consequence is an even greater evil. Each time a Calvinist fills a hole in their doctrine, a new one springs forth. Have you looked into Provisionism? The youtube channel Soteriology101 is a great resource.

[@StephenNotmanlogosinliterature]

Thank you for this thoughtful response. I do not have any specific rebuttals but can offer some suggestions (without endorsing any one of them, as I just don't know how evil co-exists with a good God. 1. The Bible's inability to square the circle of a good God creating evil is indicative of a very human double standard regarding In Group/Out group preferences favoured by the group who created this fictitious God; 2. God as revealed to us is not the ultimate God, merely more of a Thor figure who tries to help us but remains vulnerable to a greater mystery of evil. 3. (and my favourite), the glory and beauty of the afterlife makes this life's trials fade to nothing - that does, however, require us to drop the idea of eternal hell for those who fall short, as only God has correct knowledge of his own existence and requirements for eternal life. The rest of us are just fumbling in the dark, for better or worse, and honest atheists etc should not be damned for failing to believe. To be truly Good and Loving AND Mysterious surely it's not justifiable to send we ignorant humans to eternal fire for not knowing what He knows. Again, Calvinists (which I don't believe in, but they're useful foils) bite the bullet and say 'God loves whom he loves. Damn who he wants and glory to him for it. I guess they feel they won the heavenly jack pot of hearing his gospel so they feel absolutely no empathy for the billions who did not. @@servant-of-Yeshua

[@Arthur-vo9kt]

Doesnt deciding not to intervene, when you have the power to, make you responsible?

[@Si_Mondo]

You're judging God as if He's human....

[@petroflorence7962]

Kaos came from fall before no kaos

[@patienceboyd8858]

I think Heiser failed to discern between different kinds of imperfection. Imperfect can mean either incomplete or corrupted. The fact that everything outside of Eden was incomplete doesn’t mean it was dangerous, but he equates the two. Great Hebraist and scholar, but perhaps a little lacking in the philosophy department.

[@bigburton24]

The fact that outside of the garden was depicted as wilderness is a way of saying it is dangerous. Cain further proves this when he cries out that his punishment is too severe, and that he would die. The fact is, anything outside of the place in which God dwells is extremely dangerous. Hence the need for a new Eden

[@cathcolwell2197]

Mmm over my head

[@ChrisMusante]

Is it John Peckham or Brian Peckham... looking at another video where 'John' is the guest.

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

John C. Peckham he meant @0:53:

[@richmonddoku]

What I understand is that the earth was first created with chaos water covering it. Then God creates firmament to control the water, luminaries to brighten the darkness among other things. At the end of each item he creates, he says that it is good. Then after creating man as his last item, he looks upon it all and sees it's very good, where very good here means better. (Genesis 1:31) So there is a progression from good, better (very good) and one day, with man's work on earth, he would have made the earth become best (perfect). And so the earth was ”very good” meant that it became better than when first God started creating. At that “better” state, elements possessed freedom to act by themselves and sometimes it may go wry. Just like Adam was in a state where he could sin (go wry), nature was also in a state that it could go wry. This could cause disasters that God didn't summon because the elements have free will. Now, after Adam's sin, the nearly perfect earth became worse.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Gen. 1:2+ is actually describing a recreation of the earth's surface. In Isa. 45:18, God states very plainly that He did NOT create the earth in the "tohu" and "bohu" state that is mentioned in Gen. 1:2. Gen. 1:2 reads in the original Hebrew that the earth " _became_ desolate and chaotic". Gen. 1:1 describes the original creation, while the 2nd verse describes the aftermath of Lucifer's rebellion.

[@jeffwatt4684]

Felix culpa

[@JamesRichardWiley]

I see you know all about God, Michael - what he wants and doesn't want and what he does and doesn't do. That's quite impressive to have knowledge of a god that is beyond your human understanding.

[@uwekonnigsstaddt524]

That’s Heiser’s opinion. In my own humble opinion. Be blessed in Him. Post Tenebras Lux.

[@nanadeborah8717]

In my humble opinion,I would believe Dr. Heiser over some yahoo on KZbin who disagrees. What level of education do you have in biblical theology?

[@JahRootsRadio]

It’s not about education but revelations. Paul was educated and knew nothing till Yahusha revealed it. The disciples were uneducated and received revelation directly from Messiah Himself.

[@nanadeborah8717]

@@JahRootsRadio And so, you go by your own understanding? Doesn't Peter warn about that?

[@firstorder438]

@@nanadeborah8717 I'll stick with the word of God myself Psalm 37:23-The steps of a man are established by the LORD, when he delights in his way; Luke 12:7-Why, even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not; you are of more value than many sparrows. The fact that the Father has my hairs numbered should tell you how in control of EVERYTHING he is. Also you sound like some people we know from scripture ;) Mark 11:28-and they said to him, “By what authority are you doing these things, or who gave you this authority to do them?”

[@nanadeborah8717]

@@JahRootsRadio We may disagree, but since yoou are in Haiti,be safe. Sounds dangerous there today. May God watch over you and your loved ones.

[@PreciousMeddler]

I think he meant *John* Peckham.

[@chestradamusteutonic4336]

It’s funny how he at the dame time believes that God is using deception. (And it is good of course)

[@arc6731]

He made no “fundamental error”, you just didn’t listen to what he said. He never said “evil” was a thing.

[@DeludedOne]

0:13 If that's the case then there isn't some overarching infallible plan that God has crafted for everyone where everything that happens only happens because he allows it to. Of course, God does know everything that will happen and can, and will, stop anything from happening if he doesn't want it to happen. So that means that anything that happens is because he did not stop it from happening... 2:02 But does God hold free will to a paramount importance? That's really the question here, and the Bible clearly shiws that God does not in any and all interventions that God makes to either directly curb or punish evil either by his own hand or through his agents. In fact Christians today still believe that God can and does intervene in their lives not only at their behest but apparently to punish and/or correct. Heck the fact that hell as a concept exists shows that God values some human choices over others, which is not a oaramount respect of free will. 3:21 Which is unsirprising given how the term "perfect" is highly subjective and open to interpretation. The term does little to nothing in describing how anything is or should be like. Let's take the garden of Eden for example, is it considered perfect? Especially with that tree of knowledge in the center and the serpent situated very conveniently there?

[@debbiewareing1178]

Gods plan is redemption and restoration of sinful mankind and a fallen world. We do not want go down the Calvinist route. That totally wipes out free will and that is not Gods intent. Free will is the reason man fell and Gods plan of redemption and restoration was made…yes before the founding of the world. God knew we would fall! But He is in total control and His Will shall prevail. Those freely by their own will that choose to follow, obey and endure until the end shall be saved. No man will be forced or coerced. Bless His mighty wisdom!

[@DeludedOne]

@@debbiewareing1178 He knew we would fall and yet did nothing to prevent it. That's his plan?

[@debbiewareing1178]

@@DeludedOne God has free will and to be true imagers of God we too must have free will. That is how He created us in His image. With free will of course comes the risk that it can be used for a wrong purpose. God could have wiped us out and start again, but in His infinite grace and mercy He made a lawful and righteous way to redeem those that choose, by their own free will to love God with their whole heart, mind and soul. One day the whole earth will be filled with perfect, sinless being and their free will shall be intact. Thank the Lord God for his amazing grace and abundant wisdom.

[@DeludedOne]

@@debbiewareing1178 This does not account however for how God clearly does not respect human free will and infringes upon it all the time. If free will really were that respected by God then God really should not intervene in any human actions save in extreme cases like when all of humanity is about to be destroyed or something. This is due to how all human choices are, to a greater or lesser extent an outcome of such free will if such free will truly exists. Yet, simply because God did not like how certain humans exercised their free will, according to the Bible, God has killed nearly the entire human population, commanded his worshipers to slaughter entire tribes, and basically harshly punished many people who did things according to their free will that he did not like. Even now God continues to coerce his worshipers to submit to HIS will in how they live their life by threatening them with eternal punishment should they not. The Christian church has even fully embraced this by emphasizing that God's will is paramount iver one's own! None of this is indicative of a God that values human free will in totality. At the very very least God can only be said to tolerate human free will to some extent and not more, if indeed he tolerates it at all. Free will alone cannot be an excuse for why God allows evil when he has been shown to not value or respect human free will many many times over. A god that places value on certain choices over others and enforces a system of punishment and reward over such cannot be said to respect human free will, but is rather one who seeks to control it.

[@debbiewareing1178]

@@DeludedOne You truly are a deluded one and clearly the Holy Spirit is not in you. You don’t understand and you are fighting against it! Why???? Why are you so keen to prove yourself right, are you trying to justify a decision you have taken? You seem to have a partial understanding of Gods nature, but somewhere along the line, you have been persuaded otherwise. Could it be the subtle voice of the devil in your ear? Understanding Gods ways are so beyond you ‘oh man’! His thinking is so above us ALL! It is arrogance and rebellion that makes you feel superior. God knows the heart of every creation and is above and beyond anything you and I could even imagine or envisage! You are a mere created being that really knows nothing. God bless you and show you. Amen, let it happen Jesus!

[@woodshed_moments]

Okay without having a tap too much theology which can get over didactic.... We have to understand evil from the perspective of jesus, and what he taught the disciples about decision-making. And if we understand what he taught disciples by decision-making then evil is what ultimately evil is... A default position. Jesus reminded the disciples: "The one not being with Me is against Me, and the one not gathering with Me scatters" [Matthew 12:30] "HATE EVIL, O you who love the LORD! He preserves the souls of His saints; He delivers them from the hand of the wicked" [Psalm 97:10] Okay, so a pattern ought to be surfacing right about now... A pattern that reveals a stark contrast, a contrast based on a hard dichomatic expression - opposites based out of a default position. Jesus said if you're not with me you're automatically in a default position of being against me... It's that simple. All we have to do is unpack does translation of Satan's name, and one of them are to pop out at you first and foremost... First of all we have to understand that Satan is not a name, it's a title, Express in Hebrew; Hâ Sâtan or "adversary", "anti" or "against", "he who is OPPOSED" and/or "instead of" So, we have the author of evil and its activity rolled up in Satan's name... this is what he does, it is who he is - satan is trying to weave a subtext that there is perhaps a middle road, Jesus lights that up... there is no sorta wrong or kinda right. Moses and his assistant Joshua, a type of Christ, were commanded by the Lord not to: "Do not turn aside to the right or to the left from any of the words I command you today, and do not go after other gods to serve them" [Deuteronomy 28:14] So, Heiser is making an overture to a default position - evil is what it is, if Jesus is "the way, the truth, and the life" - then satan is the exact opposite, being "a murderer from the beginning" and "a liar and the father of lies" but mostly important in the assessment of who satan is, is what Jesus said about his character - "when he speaks he speaks from who he is" - making satan effectively not only the father of lies but the eminent source of and default position of evil.

[@Particularly_John_Gill]

God is the cause of all things.

[@Dexter.001]

This Heiser guy really no different than Joel Osteen, clever with words and no Gospel message, so many are lead astray with Fancy talk to draw a person into a bunch of nothing......clouds with no water. Heiser is so much in error on his view of Psalm 82, he tries to answer the "gods/elohim" as non human when Jesus says the "gods/elohim" are human in John 10, Jesus answers this question long before Heiser was even born. Heiser writes a book the unseen realm arguing against Jesus. Osten writes books about prosperity and self gain, People like Hieser or Osteen should not be teaching becasue they do not point a person to Jesus and teach/preach the true Jesus, so many different forms of error within Christianity that people are unaware of. A person never hears of sin either from them two, they just lift themselves up with their own theology and people eat it up. Heiser was WRONG with Psalm 82 and his divine council of gods Israel are the "gods" in Psalm 82, the "gods" are human NOT nonhuman like this Heiser guy promoted. Israel was unique from the pagan nations that surrounded them, Israel had the law of God, 10 commandment, prophets and a Levitical priesthood. Since Israel had the law of God, it put Israel in the position of being "gods," becuase God chose them, Israel was God's chosen people. Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)," 1. >>>>"I said, “You are gods” >>>>>ONCE by the God (Father) in Psalm 82. Aspaph is the Author and Psalmist of Psalm 82. Prophets of the Old Testament like Asaph the "word of the Lord" would come to Prophets like Asaph. Prophets were the "Voice" of God. God (Father) would communicate His words through the prophets, God does that here in Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;">>>>>>>>Israel, Psalm 82 uses the word "all". This clearly is not about a bunch of watchers/super angels of a divine council. The Psalms were written to and for Israel. 2. SECOND time Jesus in John 10: 34 Repeats >>>> ‘I said, “You are gods”

[@thewordrappergma7713]

Hello, this guy knows Hebrew/Greek. Do you know Hebrew and Greek? The Bible was not written in English. Mr. Heiser just looks at the scriptures through many lenses and makes us think. I don’t think he means any harm. We are to walk in love.God tells us to love one another. Shalom

[@Dexter.001]

@thewordrappergma7713 If you understand the comment, which appears you do not, Israel are the gods/elohim of the divine council, not Heiser's non human spirit beings (angels). A person has to look at this this passage through the Lens of Christ Himself, Jesus tells us who the gods/elohim are, they are Israel. The Hebrew/Greek does not change Jesus fulfilling the words of the prophets from the OT in the NT. Heiser's non human spirit beings (angels) were NOT the gods/elohim (divine council) 3 main points 1. Israel was given law of Moses, not angels 2. the word of the Lord came to Israel, not angels 3. God would lift up prophets like Asaph to communicate to Israel A person would have to point out in scripture where Heiser's non human spriti beings (angels) were given the law of Moses, word of the came to angels, and that God used used angels to communcate to all of Israel. Israel are the Chosen people of God in this time period. Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;>>>>This is directed towards Israel (Jacob's decendents) John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),">>>>This is also directed towards Israel (Jacobs's decendents) 1. >>>>"I said, “You are gods” >>>>>ONCE by the God (Father) in Psalm 82. Aspaph is the Author and Psalmist of Psalm 82. Prophets of the Old Testament like Asaph the "word of the Lord" would come to Prophets like Asaph. Prophets were the "Voice" of God. God (Father) would communicate His words through the prophets, God does that here in Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;">>>>>>>>Israel, Psalm 82 uses the word "all". This clearly is not about a bunch of watchers/super angels of a divine council. The Psalms were written to and for Israel. 2. SECOND time Jesus in John 10: 34 Repeats >>>> ‘I said, “You are gods”

[@da2hampton]

Calvinism is idiotic and intellectually insulting.

[@therockstar17]

The fundamental error heiser is making here is that evil is not a thing. Evil is what people do. There is evil in the Bible where God says He meant it for good. God is sovereign, He upholds the very universe so at the very least He must permit what happens by not intervening. Everything that happens is happening according to plan A.

[@andar_k1194]

It's a corruption of the good or any good thing.

[@spencers6263]

Are you a Calvinist?

[@therockstar17]

@@spencers6263 Why? What are you? I’m a Bible-ist, everything I just said is straight from the Bible. God declares the end from the beginning. From Him and through Him and to Him are ALL things and He works ALL things according to the purpose of His will. He upholds the universe by the word of His power.

[@spencers6263]

@@therockstar17 I’m not arguing if the things you said are from the Bible. Every well intending Christian would claim they are a “Bible-ist”. You being a Bible-ist doesn’t really negate you from being able to identify or not with Calvinism or the tulip systematic. Every Christian would agree with what you said but the interpretation is different…hence the different stances on sovereignty or soteriology as a whole. So are you saying you disagree with beliefs of Calvinism or the label? I’m not trying to trap you or anything like that btw. Just based on the way you speak it sounds very much like a reformed brother.

[@Wraiths_and_Wreckage]

video game designer. if/then code. limits. randomness allowed for. designer can interject.

[@dopaminabitches]

The last few days i found mr Steiner and got impressed by his explanations, now a lot of biblical stuff start to make sense. May the Lord rest him in peace. Which was his denomination if any?

[@Trivdgun-]

Calvinism debunked. 😂 Calm down 5 pointers. 😘🫂 All things are possible for God. Scripture can not be broken. God is paradox resolved. He can allow free will and still be providential.

[@fborregoATBeyer]

THATS IT! 5 min takes care of centuries of thought! Wow, never have these thoughts been said before. Glad I live in this age. 🎉🎉🎉

[@Trivdgun-]

@@fborregoATBeyer Calm down Calvin, it was a joke.

[@fborregoATBeyer]

@@Trivdgun- oh, i though we won.. nevermind.

[@Trivdgun-]

@@fborregoATBeyer There's probably a lot of Calvinist ideas I agree with but certain predestination doctrines are found wanting in my opinion. It could be I just lack the knowledge but I find people who focus on theology all day are some of the least patient people. Anecdotal obviously but worth noting. We should get in the Word more often to cultivate the Spirit as to make sure we are developing fruit.

[@christianfrommuslim]

@@Trivdgun- I agree. Calvinism arose in a world where your religion and survival even, was determined by your "sovereign." This is why Luther hopped around so much. Understanding the milieu of the time, we can better explain the emergence of Reformed Theology. An earthly sovereign of that age would be obsessed with his glory and power, and the reformers squeezed God in that mold. Calvinism and Reformed theology accordingly deemphasize verses which portray God as a loving Father who gives us choices and holds us responsible for obeying.