Nice review from someone that knows how to appreciate and understand the T120 nature .... it´s a bike for strolling along and enjoy the biking activity .... I´ve just bought a '23 Blacked T120 and I loved it. The Center stand is a real miss so I got it installed at the dealer, for chain maintenance and for longer periods of stowing. I also got the short wind shield and the bar mirrors for a more cafe race style. The Heated grips are useless in Brazil and the brakes and Wheels were decisive to make me go for a newer model ... The cruise control I will never use ... It has all the power it needs but the torque is what really matters ... Having owned a HD883, it´s another level of bike in all the boxes .... Cheers from Brazil.
@leeinwis10 ай бұрын
It's winter here, no can ride.
@j.d.thompson35053 жыл бұрын
Low compression is a good thing. This bike will probably run for 50 years. I'm sure it would be a love affair to own one.
@enriquecolin283 жыл бұрын
That chart helps a lot. Not many talk about the competition. Well done Scott!, keep it up!
@ctwrcfan3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like nice improvements, but they took some steps back too. They got rid of the center stand, grab rail, and heated grips. That saved a lot of the weight, but it didn’t reduce the price any.
@hawkwood64053 жыл бұрын
are those tubed bias ply tires?
@MrTungvo3 жыл бұрын
But cruise control is now standard on the 2021 model.
@Doug_Morgan3 жыл бұрын
That is why I picked up the last 2020 model the nearest dealer snagged from the warehouse. I lose cruise but gained all the stuff you mentioned. I had them add in the factory cruise control in the deal.
@tnetroP3 жыл бұрын
Those losses would be deal breakers for me. I have a 2019 T120 and love it. The heated grips, centre stand and grab rail are more important to me than cruise control (which I admit is nice) and a slight weight loss.
@michaelkaufman96253 жыл бұрын
@@tnetroP how much more cost to add a center stand and a railing?
@georgeblumenthal79382 жыл бұрын
I just took delivery of a gorgeous 2023 T120 red and silver. I previously owned a 1966 and 1973 Bonnie. Then it struck me, it's been 50 years between Bonnevilles.
@jamesjkmorrison73552 жыл бұрын
Dropped my K4 750 downtown one day ,luckily it was on the left side since the 4 into 1 tuned headers were on the opposite side, lucky me .Oh and whoever that man was behind me that helped me pick it back up THANK YOU A THOUSAND TIMES
@garymasterson11743 жыл бұрын
Scott, excellent review and appreciated. Your calm, balanced, easy-going approach is very welcome. Thank you. I'm a mid-life crisis newbie to biking but am planning my future stable which must include a retro naked machine. The T120 is now on my list. ATVB.
@allans7281 Жыл бұрын
Great review! uniquely done as always. I just picked up the Bonneville T100 2022. I’m loving it!! it’s the “Rolex”of classic motorcycles Cheers USA
@duncanjury91673 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. Hands down the best reviews and a joy to watch. Great work!
@Supernova120343 жыл бұрын
Scott, your voice is so soothing, I could hear you in my sleep last night reviewing bikes
@hawkwood64053 жыл бұрын
that sounds a little creepy
@Supernova120343 жыл бұрын
@@hawkwood6405 motorcycles are never creepy
@pietrovardi95833 жыл бұрын
Boom-boom, 2 thumbs-ups from me for the content. I still wonder though if Grandma got there eventually... Splendid!! :)
@chuckwalksdogs3 жыл бұрын
I have a 2019 and the heated grips and centre stand are what compelled me to go with the T120 over competitors. Those two stock features were unique to the T120 in this category. Without those I would go right up to the Scrambler 1200 if I was buying a Triumph today. The aluminum wheels are a nice add. I bet it makes a huge difference on the front. There's an American guy named Jedz who put alloys on his T120 and apparently the improvement was pretty significant. Brakes on mine were top notch right out of the box tho. The dual disks on the front really bite. I'll always take more power and I've heard various criticisms of the engine before but if you live with one of these for a while you'll invariably come to realize you can't go much faster than 120km on one -- at least not for very long -- because the wind will beat the hell out of you. I ride on big toll highways up in here in Canada sometimes and the traffic flows at about 130km/hr. The engine thumps along quite comfortably at those speeds but the turbulent wind is downright punishing on the body. That's my biggest complaint about the bike for sure. Seems like any more horsepower would be borderline unusable without a massive windshield. The real fun for me is the torque anyway cuz it pulls like a diesel pickup truck. The exhaust note is satisfying without being obnoxious. It's a joy to accelerate away from every traffic light. The gearbox and throttle feedback are glorious.
@jackchristodoulou1973 жыл бұрын
I put a small windscreen on my T120 works perfect
@asacarrick14402 жыл бұрын
105,000 Km. On my 2017 T100 and still loving it. I'm fine at 140kph even 160kph though not for too long. The paintwork on 2022 models is awful, tanks look like a pan with the wrong lid and they no longer colour code mudguards. They're picking out pockets a Triumph
@pistolpete63213 жыл бұрын
I owned a T120 for a few years and loved it, wonderful motorcycle! Great review!
@greysea48413 жыл бұрын
For the the owners of the T120 before 2021, you can siginificantly improve the bike by changing to a 39 tooth rear sprocket. It will make the bike feel 50 pounds lighter and you will still have pleanty of gear for the highway.
@c.g.c2067 Жыл бұрын
All I can say is that it simply looks beautiful
@001dres3 жыл бұрын
You really enjoyed this bike. Never saw you give so many boom boom 2thumbs up before, nor let go of rhe bar so often 😉. I’m not in the market for one, but you made me want to go for a test ride. Good job, nothing to prove, 👍👍 boom boom.
@larryvanputten40483 жыл бұрын
Thanks Scott, it's nice to see you on this alltime classic. What a sound and what a sight! Allthough I wouldn't buy it I have always loved the Bonnies. The right bike for real lovers of style and riding not too long distances! Same story as Guzzi's but this one is even more stylish.
@NothingToProve3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Larry!
@andrewedmond77383 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this review Scott. I am right in the middle of making a decision on what my last bike will be. The T120, Speed Twin and the up speced Z900RS-SE have made the short list. I would have all three, but as I am retiring in a couple of months, financial reality comes into play. I will keep my 2014 Vstrom 1000 as I am a Strom trooper through and through, but my VFR800 will sadly have to go as my poor old back dictates that I require a less sporty bike. Soon to be 63, the retro style bikes and the history that accompany's them really appeals to me. Thanks again for your views regarding this bike mate, I really appreciate it. Stay safe.
@NothingToProve3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Andrew, yea, sell the VFR and get this, I was so comfortable and so relaxed on this that I forgot that I'm only 54 and not 60+ and wanted this bike but I think I'd take the Speed twin over this, simply cause of the upgrades they did to the speed twin this year. But and this is a big but I have not ridden the speed as of yet, hope to soon! take care, Scott
@GazVanDyk3 жыл бұрын
Love your performance charts.
@WillyR6593 жыл бұрын
Not really interested in this bike but i love and watch all of your reviews. Excellent
@giumbolorossonero3 жыл бұрын
I owned the previous m.y. and riding it was a real pleasure: they introduced all the stuff, features and devices that the 865 EFI owners had been requesting for years. I'm sure they improved this new m.y. further. Just one remark: they saved weight, ok, but they also don't highlight that this 2021 m.y. is sold without grab rail and, most of all, without the central stand. They both were present as stock in the previous version: this saves weight along with the aluminium rims. Just for the transparency sake.
@jamesmegill3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the premium brands stepping up.
@toradog57192 жыл бұрын
I matriculated from Harley's to Triumph and haven't looked back. The integrity of the bike is exceptional. Very rider friendly, undramatic, but with a smooth, strong pull. I just like everything about it.
@NothingToProve2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! I loved riding it. Enjoy it, take care, Scott
@mindspinn3113 жыл бұрын
I’m very tempted by the 2022 updates and refinements. I’ve wanted one of these since 2014 before this 1200 water cooled version ever existed. Yet, the NC750X is equally tempting for its own improvements and unbeatable practicality.
@UncleWally33 жыл бұрын
There’s a symmetry between the review and the bike; relaxed, composed and pleasant. One comparison I’d like to hear an opinion about from NTP is the ergonomics of the T120 compared against the Speed Twin. Thanks!
@styrr33 жыл бұрын
Test rode the T120, the Speed Twin was unavailable att the shop... So I would also like to hear a comparision! Btw, LOVED the testdrive with the T120! But I was there to test the Speed Twin...
@carlberg69183 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing that chart Scott. One thing I wish Triumph had put on. 1 Centre stand, 2 Change Cruise control for Heated grips and Grab Rail. But its personal choice.
@NothingToProve3 жыл бұрын
Yea, the main thing they did was make the center stand optional, whereas last year it was standard...sigh. 😒
@alexmorgan34353 жыл бұрын
To me the stand out bike of your table is the Kawasaki Z900RS. And in the new colour schemes for 2022 is very attractive. Might also consider the Speed Twin but for me it would be the Z900RS.
@HaggisPower3 жыл бұрын
But, it’s a whiny 4..
@alexmorgan34353 жыл бұрын
@@HaggisPower Are you for real? A silky smooth in-line 4 rather than an asthmatic slower larger heavier 1200cc thumper engine which produces less power than the better looking Z900RS. But if you like it, go for it.
@HaggisPower3 жыл бұрын
@@alexmorgan3435 Sorry, never been attracted to 4's. Sure, they go well, but have no soul.
@alexmorgan34353 жыл бұрын
@@HaggisPower Yeah right.
@enriquecolin283 жыл бұрын
Both are great bikes in my opinion, however in my country the Z900RS is about 17% more expensive than the Bonnie.
@tsmgguy4 ай бұрын
The weight reduction is pretty impressive until you consider that most of it is due to the deletion of the center stand and low grab bar. These were standard equipment until the 2021 model year. Grip heat was also dropped.
@michaelevans16583 жыл бұрын
Good review as always Scott.
@markb31803 жыл бұрын
I own a euro 4 T120 and it is the best bike I've ever owned! The euro 5 model appears to have made it even better, got me thinking now shall I go take a test ride! Cheers Scott.
@NothingToProve3 жыл бұрын
Yea, I've ridden your bike and this is on another level, Triumph did a very good job with the updates. The problem is that if you do a test ride on the new one, don't take any money or forms of payment with you cause you'll want to put money down on a new one 😒 ride safe, Scott
@markb31803 жыл бұрын
@@NothingToProve Yes probably!!!
@petewebb69523 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thank you. I’ve had two T120s in the past and I would certainly consider another. I ride a F900XR-TE at the moment which is an interesting twin. One comment is that the rear shocks may need upgrading, even on the new bikes, if you plan to take a passenger/pillion often.
@Momfasa3 жыл бұрын
Wow, looks awesome! Great video!!
@twobeagles13653 жыл бұрын
I love the new gauges !!
@ronaldvanveen76663 жыл бұрын
Wow great v.American clear voice ,no British voice.I was able to hear the motor clearly, no wind sound..This is a great informative vidio..Boom,Boon, u hit all the important points dude.I never rode a motorcycle.I want this model and yr T120 2021...Ron from L.A,Calif
@horspiste3 жыл бұрын
So the Speed Twin is 20kg lighter, is more powerful and costs about the same. What am I missing?
@NothingToProve3 жыл бұрын
Yea, I'd take the Speed Twin over this in a heart beat. :)
@chuckwalksdogs3 жыл бұрын
Ergo is a bit different between the two
@josephfelder333 жыл бұрын
T120 is more comfortable for the rider, and especially more comfortable for the passenger and has more space for bags if you plan on mounting. The upswept exhaust of the ST moves the passenger pegs and rear geometry. So the ST is sportier, and the T120 is a better distance and 2 up bike.
@toltod3 жыл бұрын
Still no tubeless wheels? That would also reduce weight.
@dadmadforgot40503 жыл бұрын
@@speedtwin1610 yeah… speaks volumes about the company IMO
@johnmartin71583 жыл бұрын
@@speedtwin1610 Yes and no. It is also where the bike loses weight that matters. Fly wheel dept. and rims and re designed motor helps with the perception of weight loss. There are a quite a few changes to this model.
@oceaniceos3 жыл бұрын
I'm 72 yrs old, riding since I was 18. IMHO my 2016 T120 leaves nothing to IMprove. So did grandma look pretty hot :-))
@DavidSmith-ve5kj3 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me about the American T120’s lighting. On the Eruo bikes have 3 headlight modes, high beam, low and DRL. MY American 2019 T120 has ONLY high and low beams and DRL is on in both modes but not alone.
@overkillnick10033 жыл бұрын
Love your reviews….thanks.
@hughowens Жыл бұрын
I'm looking for nice condition speed twin for this summer or t120
@davidbealing4543 жыл бұрын
Bought one, nice agile bike but suspension and stock Pirelli Phantoms replaced under 500 miles.
@NothingToProve2 жыл бұрын
Yea, I agree with you, it's sad that they put the Phantoms on them for "looks". If I were going to buy this bike, I would probably try to force the dealer to put different tires on it before taking delivery of the bike. Don't know if that'd be a successful endeavor though. 😒😥
@Rapunzel8793 жыл бұрын
Great review.
@ferociousfrankie3 жыл бұрын
Speed Twin and Z900RS are still class leaders. CB 1100 is the best looking bike out of all of them.
@dadmadforgot40503 жыл бұрын
Cb1100 is a lovely bike and I would argue better made than almost anything out there.
@asacarrick14402 жыл бұрын
The Honda has a much heavier feel
@louislopez553 жыл бұрын
So you still have to remove the mufflers to remove the back wheel? And if you want to torque the nut on the rear axle after adjusting the chain you probably also need to remove a muffler? The pain of ownership for the sake of style.
@asacarrick14402 жыл бұрын
No you don't! Loosen the rear suspension springs, swing them up from the bottom and the wheel's in your hands. Bit tricky on refit, you need a block to rest the wheel on while you line it up
@xtrythis11703 жыл бұрын
You definitely should try to get your hands on a 2020 to 2021 Kawasaki W800. No comparison in the performance department but as far as looks and feel I'd love to hear your opinion on it. My father just bought one and is so excited about it!
@marcelcoenen14373 жыл бұрын
Scott, excellent overview with many technical and „feeling“ details. I was wondering if the (lighter) motor/ the crankshaft really belong to the unspring masses? The aluminium wheels - of course!
@pedromiguelareias3 жыл бұрын
«moving» masses, perhaps, or «reciprocating» masses. Still, he's one of the best reviewers.
@marcelcoenen14373 жыл бұрын
@@pedromiguelareias That‘s for sure!
@cbrider62673 жыл бұрын
They have addressed all shortcomings from 2020 model but one: tube type tires. I wish that I could afford to trade in my 2020 T120 for 2021 model. BTW, to me brakes on 2020 model are perfectly fine.
@Toni62R3 ай бұрын
The clocks are blue in the midst, thats the original styling of the Bonneville.
@olansp3 жыл бұрын
thanks for this review, Scott. I have tested the speed twin and do not understand why you should buy the T 120?
@arminsalmen75423 жыл бұрын
Ergonomics. Different leg angle.
@AuxesisHyperbole6663 жыл бұрын
Ergonomics, slightly beefier feel, less heat from the engine, lower compression so more long-term reliable, lower insurance, more retro looks, chrome pipes (not 'bronzed', spoked wheels, comfier seat...
@Theophilus19683 жыл бұрын
Would you buy it over the street twin for a all-rounder? Thanks for your thoughts.
@NothingToProve3 жыл бұрын
Yes 👍😁
@Theophilus19683 жыл бұрын
@@NothingToProve thank you. Last question (🤔😂), would you buy it over the new Moto Guzzi V7?
@NothingToProve3 жыл бұрын
@@Theophilus1968 Yes cause the V7 does not give me enough leg room and this does 👍
@DavidSmith-ve5kj3 жыл бұрын
Why did they drop heated grips ?
@5150bwagner Жыл бұрын
$$
@hughowens Жыл бұрын
This summer this or speed twin.
@scottburton683 жыл бұрын
Thanks Scott, another great review. How would you compare the T120 to the Motoguzzi V7 Stone in terms of a weekend rider for some fun and day trip?
@NothingToProve3 жыл бұрын
Hmm...interesting question, both have their quirks and both have pros and cons. Both will do daily/weekend trips but no further than that. I really don't know, I think I'd take the V9 bobber! :)
@whiterabbitt20022 жыл бұрын
@@NothingToProve I rode a Honda CB125 cross country (Washington DC to Kansas City. just saying
@michaelkaufman96253 жыл бұрын
I'm swayed towards the T120 and away from the Kaw. Z900rs.
@johancoes69843 жыл бұрын
But what about gearbox problems. You speak highly about gearbox engine combination,but what about a lot of liquid cooled ones having trouble shifting or can’t shift at all. Is that solved? I’d like to know. Otherwise good video. Grüsse 49828
@jamesludwig90893 жыл бұрын
What year are you comparing the 2021 to? Last year? Or a much older version?
@Topher75273 жыл бұрын
I'm jealous. Cruise control isn't even an option for my Thruxton RS.
@ulaskvlcm3 жыл бұрын
Street Twin, T 120 or SpeedTwin?
@NothingToProve3 жыл бұрын
Just rode the Speed Twin yesterday and made a video of it, will be up next week. Have not ridden the new Street Twin as of yet. But I think as I get older I'm leaning more towards the T120 👍😁
@japa69873 жыл бұрын
Voltage regler is now hiden behind radiator, that is no good ... but i love my t120 2021
@asacarrick14403 жыл бұрын
They robbed us of the centre stand and pillion gripper bar...no wonder it's lighter
@N-SOJU3 жыл бұрын
Please review the new Kawasaki W800, or better the Meguro k3 if you're able to find one!!
@augustindecember72212 жыл бұрын
Where is Honda CB 1100 RS :)?
@NothingToProve2 жыл бұрын
I only put current bikes being sold on the list.
@augustindecember72212 жыл бұрын
@@NothingToProve OK :) I'm from PL. You can still buy this model in Poland. Thanks for all the reviews:)
@hawkwood64053 жыл бұрын
Certainly the T120 would be a worthy commuter. 77 ft-lbs @ 3500 RPM blows everything on your chart out of the water by a long shot. It must pull like a smooth freight train around town. Obviously it won't have much of a top end for those of us that like to rev the p*ss out of our bikes, but that is not the intent with the T120. Nice motorcycle.
@josephfelder333 жыл бұрын
I test rode one the other day. Even with it being 100lbs heavier, the T120 pulled away from stop lights harder, with less effort than my SV650, and it was incredibly smooth. 77 ft-lbs at 3500 RPM is sublime, I loved that torque.
@grantkokich69063 жыл бұрын
Detailed review.
@frankpellegrino74483 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem with the Bonneville is tubed tires and garbage Pirelli tires. No one really wants to sit by the side of the road for three hours waiting for a tow truck. The tires are so soft that hardly any small object will cause a puncture. I’ve gotten more flats in 4000 miles on my Bonny than on all the other bikes I have ever owned. They didn’t fix that.
@masongoss46152 жыл бұрын
I had the same tyres on a Yamaha XSR700 and they really are bad. The bike was transformed when I binned them and put some decent rubber on. Would be the first thing to change on the Bonny for me. 👍
@keithsalmons98863 жыл бұрын
They saved a lot of weight by deleting the center stand +grab rail+ heated grips which used to be included in the previous T120 .now you have to buy on top of the price ok you now get cruise control big deal Triumph .
@da72ma3 жыл бұрын
The three most important pieces deleted in favor of weight?... Unbelievable...
@ianclarke48143 жыл бұрын
Not sure that was to save weight Personally I prefer the alloy rims double brembo etc etc with price the same
@da72ma3 жыл бұрын
I will never buy a bike without heated grips anymore... the center stand is a requirement to get your bike properly mainteined and for the old and frail like me the grab rails make it super easy to get it lifted on that center stand... the issue to delete them makes no sense...
@SvanbergSimon3 жыл бұрын
Cruise is much more important than useless rider modes.
@humanbeing16753 жыл бұрын
T 120 is on my list. Wish they had changed the front brake disks. Never liked that "wavy" design... (yes, just my personal taste and a minor point😉).
@ВольфгангПетерсон3 жыл бұрын
Looks almost identical from side view to 2021 Kawasaki W800.
@beetleything18643 жыл бұрын
To me 1200 cc is huge and expensive on insurance here in Canada. I love the look and feel of Triumphs but why cannot the engine be 999 or 1099 plenty manufactered bikes get plenty BPh at that cc
@chuckwalksdogs3 жыл бұрын
I'm in Toronto and insurance isn't that bad on my T120
@enriquecolin283 жыл бұрын
...Perhaps the Street Twin is for you. Stylish, 900 cc...
@AuxesisHyperbole6663 жыл бұрын
@@enriquecolin28 Or T100 if you want the same style..
@NickelStee13 жыл бұрын
I like your review. I want to put this out there... Say you teleported from the 40's 50's 60's, would you want this bike or a SPEED TWIN? Think on it.. I would bet it would be the looks WITH the performance, and at the same price.....The T120 is beautiful, but you could buy an RE if the looks really mattered to you and save some money for booze.
@NothingToProve3 жыл бұрын
I think I'd take this, period. All the things that I criticized in the previous gen, Triumph fixed. :)
@NickelStee13 жыл бұрын
@@NothingToProve thanks again. Glad to hear your thoughts on the subject.
@thelegendarysweendog31713 жыл бұрын
Two thumbs up boom boom lol
@iancarnell50202 жыл бұрын
You didn't deal with the elephant in the room. Triumph have experienced gearbox failures on the early T120s. I understand the latest models have been fixed. The early T120s also had poor suspension.
@stephenchapman83443 жыл бұрын
👍
@jamesjkmorrison73552 жыл бұрын
You would definitely be screwed if you accidentally dropped it probably some crash bar's just to be on the safe side
@martincolin64453 жыл бұрын
Yes much improved... centre stand gone, heated grips gone, seat grab rail gone...
@NothingToProve3 жыл бұрын
And LIGHTER too because... 🤣🤣🤣
@fasthracing3 жыл бұрын
Its a Thaiumph
3 жыл бұрын
That break disk is so Fugly... it kills it for me. :/ even the original THruxton had them... it is horrible.
@robertducharme23053 жыл бұрын
I agree. Brake disc on T100 looks so much better.
@franzb693 жыл бұрын
the t120 costs almost 20k usd in my country. prices are retarded for european bikes here. i would have bought a triumph if these bikes weren't so damn overpriced. i went for a japanese bike instead. only overpriced by like 4k usd. lol