They Finally Beat the Wired Freedom (Best eBike yet)

[@georgekrpan3181]

The Wired is an electric bicycle, the Billy Goat is a moped, the Mantis is a motorcycle. Pick your poison. I like bicycles.

[@MRT-co1sd]

What is the difference?

[@georgekrpan3181]

@@MRT-co1sd A bicycle is meant to pedal. A moped has pedals but is a crappy pedaler. A motorcycle has no pedals.

[@MRT-co1sd]

@@georgekrpan3181 I am having a difficult time in choosing an e-bike and an moped…

[@georgekrpan3181]

@@MRT-co1sd Get an ebike, 26 inch wheels.

[@MRT-co1sd]

@@georgekrpan3181 Yeah, I think you are right, since I want to uses it recreational purposes more so than for longer distance transportation-for that I just get in my old car. And for ebike I can paddle and get more self control…haha.

[@HighguyMcfly]

The wired either freedom or cruiser is still the best electric bike IMO. FYI around 45mph is the fastest hub motors can spin. I've gotten my 45 volt 1000 wat ebike up to 48MPH going on a long downhill and that's the fastest the motor would go. So rely with these e bikes the big difference is torque and acceleration, they all have pretty much the same top speed if you're going downhill. Also with more power comes less battery life and the two battery setup on all wired e-bikes is the best bang for your buck setup you're gonna find anywhere. Another thing to consider is torque, more torque equals less strain on the battery going uphill and that also equates to longer battery life.

[@justinw1765]

I'm pretty sure that there are hub motors that can spin much, much faster than 45mph. Originally the Aptera electric solar car was supposed to have specially made Elaphe hub motors, and its top speed with same was supposed to be over a hundred.

[@dariusx4829]

Don't forget, you have to pay between $200-300 extra for shipping on the Wired Freedom, so that cost difference is about half as much.

[@jfly2249]

Not if you pick it up in Chicago. Also, it is MUCH more powerful and faster than the e cell.

[@connicrow9463]

@@jfly2249 Why is it I've seen so many other reviews on KZbin rating the E CELLS 5 STAR higher then the WIRED FREEDOM?

[@TheAbsolutShame]

@@jfly2249 I believe he is referring to the billy goat pricing. I agree with you about the ecells pricing. Wired charges $2443 shipped, $2158 pick up. The Five Star is $2195 shipped or pickup. The Step Star is $2295. However if you want a dual battery option the Five Star will cost $2595 ad the Step Star cist $2795. Even with shipping and taxes the Freedom and Cruiser cost less than the Five Star/Step Star.

[@MrBalas3]

@@jfly2249 Uh, and how many of us spread across the U.S. are going to just trek over to Chicago to pick it up lol.

[@Sasha315]

"Furious EMX Ultimate AWD" is another interesting option. It also has 20" wheels, 60 Volts, available with two - total capacity 35A battery, AWD, torque sensor (pedaling should feel more normal). Only negative is that it is less powerful. It has regular bicycle seat, which I believe is a good thing, you can actually pedal it - and get some workout and it looks like normal bicycle - less likely to get you in troubles with cops.

[@Mayonardos]

Your channel is extremely under rated. I've been following your content since I've been interested in ebikes/emotos for a couple months now, and your channel is the best out there in my opinion. Keep up the good work.

[@jwillwork3683]

One of the best for sure. Citizen Cycle is up there too

[@justinw1765]

I considered the Billy Goat, but decided to go with the Wired Freedom based on both cost and the adjustable seat height. I actually want to be able to pedal well and comfortably, and while I'm a bit shorter than average, I have an unusual torso to leg length ratio-with a very short torso and long legs for my height (my inseam is 31.5" and that's at 5' 6.5" height. My legs are as long as some guys who are 5'10.5" to 6'1" with longer torsos/shorter leg ratios), To make the seat on the Freedom more comfortable, I plan to get some 1" latex foam bed topper and add that on there since I can sew etc (it will connect via a wide amount of velcro/hook and loop) Latex foam is quite nice stuff. Very durable and will pretty much outlast every other foam available to regular consumers. (The encasing material will be a light colored silpoly, to which I will add extra silicone for better grip and UV protection. I hate getting on black colored, hot seats in the summer. In the winter I will take off this seat topper and wear padded pants). (On a side note, I plan on making a "heat pipe" type thermal exchanger to go on the motor controller to better dissipate heat, and will spray paint it white. I'll probably paint the motor and batteries white as well to keep them a bit cooler in the summer. I'm also going to make a truly ultra light trailer to put solar panels on it).

[@Bustadhed]

Man if I just wanted speed alone I would go the Goat but the NEW Wired(2024) comes with dual piston bks a 2nd 15ah battery @ same price . I'm bought the wired for being able to haul a lot of stuff , I constantly fully load the Freedom's 2 / 27L saddlebags and myself @ 240lbs so close to if not more than 300+ lbs and can maintain 40mph . This is my only transport and it works fantastic for my needs .

[@doctadrey3000]

You’re getting 40mph on the wired freedom at 240lbs? Is that with just the throttle?

[@justinw1765]

@@doctadrey3000 Has to be, you cannot pedal fast enough to keep up at or even near that speed. Once you get up to around 25 to 30 mph, pedaling isn't going to do you much good with those 7 gears. Sometimes I wonder what these bikes would be like with a good 21 gear set up. But, when you're going at speeds like 40, maybe pedaling isn't the best idea anyways since you need to extra focus on handling, cars and people around you, etc

[@Jazzmarcel]

Totally agree on all counts! I presently have a hopped up radrunner with a 30 amp controller, 750w rear motor insert and 54 volt extra large battery and my only complaints is the lack of suspension! At this point , if I had the the option of a mega hauling ebike with 20!inch fat wheels, extended rear so I can load front and rear baskets and 60 volts, I'd buy it NOW! Good stuff and keep making videos!👊🏾😎

[@traumallama]

I have both. 2024 wired freedom and a 2024 v3 Billy goat. Long rides wired. Fun rides the goat easy to start and stop and more comfortable in and out around town Both are great ..don’t make me choose

[@philsoro491]

For the freedom bike, does it have a removable battery? What's the top speed? What's the battery life like? Can it go over 25 miles and still have battery?

[@paulmichaels3311]

ecells 5 stars frame is so solid lifetime warranty got mine to my front door blue with gold rims for 1895 best bike for the money hands down imo.

[@jfly2249]

But e cells gets a F from the BBB, has 1000 less watts than the Wired and is much slower. Also, e cells doesn’t use a thru axle fork which makes the e cell bikes inherently unsafe due to their weight and speed. E cells blatantly copied Wireds old power train and the Owner started e cells while on house arrest after serving 12 years in prison. E cells is $2195 + $500 for a rack battery. The Wired is more powerful, less expensive and safer than the e cell clone. The dual battery versions of the e cells also have a bad death wobble for which e cells has no solution except denial.

[@Trailtested]

Yeah, I love mine. Black diamond runs and BMX jumps. Nothing phases it!

[@TheAbsolutShame]

It cost $2195 now and an extra $400 for dual battery setup on Five Star. $2795 for dual battery Step Star.

[@justinw1765]

"Solid lifetime warranty". You believe that when the owner is well documented to have a criminal past/history, and currently engages in petty verbal/character attacks of consumers and other Ebike companies? To have someone like that at the helm, seems to be a recipe for a non long lived company. I would question that "solid lifetime warranty" aspect if I were you.

[@Jujubees225]

The watts displayed is wrong on the freedom bike. the goat bike is 60v x 50amp = 3000 watts. The wired freedom is 60v x 45a = 2700 watts.

[@notsoanonymous2458]

I noticed that, too.

[@jfly2249]

Wired peaks around 50amps and I’ve seen 3300 watts on mine.

[@Killer-wu9hk]

The thing is the 3200w is calculated at max voltage, like 67v x 45 is 3000 and the controller is 45a continuous but it can always spike up, my 2024+ freedom has hit 3200w, but just for a sec and then it drops down to 3000w at mode 5, so claims are kinda true, but not the best claims. Still love this bike tho

[@773Chicago]

Sorry to break it to you guys but the Billygoat has a higher voltage peeking above more than 3000. Under the display, it only puts at that maximum but the Billygoat is almost a 72 V bike which is consider a different category but not really but this could be Billygoat tease for a newer, upgraded controller and power for next year

[@jfly2249]

It’s not a bicycle and has almost no off road capability. It may have a higher continuous wattage output and be a bit faster but it’s an electric moped that only has pedals for show. Also, it is about the ugliest looking thing I’ve seen but that’s personal opinion.

[@notsoanonymous2458]

I'd prefer the Motor Goat over the Billy but they're very similar. Seem like they're pretty good values. Things have changed a lot over the last few years. Just two years ago the AR X-class was $2,400 for 52v with 33 amp controller.

[@tonyholmes9024]

I have the power goat upgraded from the x52 and it's a beast

[@justinw1765]

I wonder if the recent tariffs (speaking if one lives in the US) will start to drive up prices of E-bikes in the near to nearish future? Because of that possibility, I invested in the Wired Freedom just recently (as well as some solar panels).

[@nickc1553]

love ur videos bro keep it up 🙏

[@brentcollins9727]

That was a great review. What kind of range are you getting on your Mantis X these days?

[@NPLVentures]

30 miles max. Definitely wish it was a bit more. If it was 15ibs lighter I think it would have been better

[@brentcollins9727]

@@NPLVentures, some street tires would help

[@r3vivalkicks620]

My opinion would depend on the motor, the Wired Freedom motor is similar to Revv1 and the Motor Goat v3 motor should be identical to the Billy Goat I would assume …Direct Drive vs Geared?😁Im here for it. You can overvolt the geared to 72v and push 3.5kw if tuned correctly and push 45+mph no issues… I want to know how many watts can power goat’s direct drive can handle… To be able to push 5k+watts through that motor would make up for the lack of torque…and would be 50+mph without having to swap the motor…

[@Seijuro808]

The Motor Goat v3 from the same company has even more potential. Had the frame style like the super73 RX, which means huge space for battery in the frame cavity, in which they just stayed seeking a huuuuuge battery that fills the entire space. Also on the horizon, Assault Dynamics is ranking up their Indiegogo campaign where you can get their bikes for just $3000. You can order directly from them right now, but if they can get their igg campaign to 200 bikes they can get the ridiculous cost of $3k for 72v, 40?ah battery, full moto brakes etc. Craaaazy price. If i hadn't ordered an MX5, i would probably jump on the Assault Dynamics train. But i wanted bakery in my ebike steed. Got some hub drives already so i wanted to see what the middrive hype was all about. At first i was staying away from mid drive cuz of the snapping chains or oil changes, but i found out the mx4/5 only need to oil change after 3-5k miles after the initial break in oil change. 3-5k miles is gonna be 2yrs+ of riding lol. Weeeeell worth it off it saves chains and quieter. Prior were just overhyping or for no reason

[@dawhoda1]

Billy goat looks like a kids bike. This dude even know about the latest Wired freedom?😜 crickets

[@FoodHealthFit]

Idk if anyone else agrees but the appeal of the Billy goat to me is it still appears as a bicycle… The mantis looks more like a dirt bike and people kind of look like a-holes driving them on bike paths

[@xavierberber5801]

Cant compare a bike to a motorcycle 🤦‍♂️

[@waynerhea6649]

Most regulations limit ebikes to 20mph so technically they both aren't considered bikes more so mopeds. Although the wired has a bike type frame the power and being able to go 40+ is pushing it into the small motorcycle category like the surrons, eride, ect just at a reasonable price and not as insane.

[@Veganarchy-Zetetic]

@@waynerhea6649 All that matters imo is how it looks to the police. One looks like a bike and the other will get you pulled over.

[@MrBalas3]

@@Veganarchy-Zetetic Exactly my reasons for looking towards the Ecells or Wired. Absolute last thing I need is my ride getting taken by the cops. Also, $ is $ and the Wired is not $2K after shipping and tax and neither is the the Goat power bike only $2,600 lol. And something just a bit better is always a bit more lol. Just wish there was a dealer near me carrying these products. My mechanic skills aren't so great lol.

[@justinw1765]

@@MrBalas3 I just set up a Wired Freedom bike today. I don't have much mechanic skills to speak of either, and for the most part, it was a pretty easy process. The only annoying/challenging thing was connecting the rear fender at the back. It is recommended to extra deflate the back tire to make that easier, but I willfully/consciously skipped that step and so it was a bit more challenging (but not unduly so. If you have very large and/or thick hands, it may be unduly challenging without deflating the back tire). It comes with a allen wrench, socket wrench, regular wrench + screwdrivers combo tool (actually kind of a neat combo tool set). For some things, you'll need a couple separate allen wrenches or socket wrenches though. (I have some of those extra tools because I do do some very basic stuff like changing my car's oil and battery, assembling furniture, etc).

[@MrBalas3]

@@justinw1765 Good information. Unfortunately for either of these bikes I need a lot more space in my garage (I have to get rid of an old ebike and escooter first and being that it's going to be Winter soon) I don't think either is in the forecast until next year lol).

[@cosmodave69]

Just ordered the predator.Thinking 20 inch wheel set up for destroying small steep off road hill.

[@Trailtested]

My ECELLS 5 Star absolutely dominates black diamond runs, motocross tracks, backcountry, and you can ride it through the city low key:)

[@jfly2249]

Yeah but no thru axle makes that kind of riding with a heavy bike inherently unsafe. Educate yourself on the advantages of thru axles,

[@Trailtested]

@@jfly2249mine has a threw axel you’re just somebody who comments on every single Ecell comment I see you everywhere. You have nothing better to do with your life but sit on the Internet and hack at your keyboard board. We all see you. Troll

[@eRide_Addiction]

That's a nice bike, but for me i want a powerful ebike that actually looks like a bike. When I'm out riding my Wired Freedom it looks like any other 750w ebike out there so I'm not concerned about being hassled by the police or bothered by all the Karen's. I can ride in peace on my Freedom and with dual batteries i can ride for almost 100 miles!

[@joehiatt1992]

What power are u riding in to get close to 100 mi., lookin at gettin this,if I can get 80 miles Id be happy,someone is selling a new in box one for 2k

[@eRide_Addiction]

​@@joehiatt1992 That's a good price for the bike, but keep in mind that the one-year warranty likely won't apply since you're not the original purchaser. While most people don't have problems, it's something to consider. Steven at Wired is a really cool guy so if you give him a call before you make the purchase he can tell you if they'll cover the bike or not. In terms of range, I can almost reach 100 miles on a single charge by using both batteries and riding in PAS 1 or 2. I've customized my PAS levels to use 10% power for PAS 1 and 23% for PAS 2, which gives me plenty of assistance while conserving battery. This setup allows me to reach 24 mph on flat ground with occasional hills, and I rarely exceed 30 mph since I prioritize torque over top speed. You mentioned wanting a range of 80 miles, which I think is definitely achievable. Riding in a flat area and avoiding prolonged high speeds will maximize your range. Ultimately, many factors come into play, but with the right riding style, you should be able to hit your target

[@quantumfx2677]

Cottonmouth Ebike a dual drive 6500kw motor top speed of 67mph and it looks like a normal Ebike! Waiting for their dual suspension! motors are designed and built by Lightning Rod Motors.

[@philsoro491]

For the freedom bike, does it have a removable battery? What's the top speed? What's the battery life like? Can it go over 25 miles and still have battery?

[@justinw1765]

The updated version now has 2 batteries that are removable and yes in most conditions can easily get you 25 miles with some battery left over. The exception would be if you were going mostly up hill, going at full throttle the entire time with no to very little pedaling, you weigh a considerable amount over the average (like pushing near 300lbs), your tires don't have enough air in them, and/or you're riding on the beach. All of these will, especially in any combo, severely decrease your mileage capacity. But if your route is fairly/relatively flat, you're at least lightly peddling most of the time, your speed is averaging around 25 to 30 (i.e. sometimes going mostly around 20 but also occasionally going 40/45), and you weigh 250 and less, you can easily get around 50 to 75 miles at full charge (some people sometimes get near 100). Top speed will depend on a combo of your weight, your torso length (longer torsos create more air drag/resistance), the road conditions, the tire pressure, and/or your riding position. But speaking in averages/trends, it will typically range from around 39 to 45mph.

[@philsoro491]

@justinw1765 Damn. Impressive comment. U seem to know your stuff and have done your homework. Thanks for the info. Was useful

[@justinw1765]

@@philsoro491 You're welcome. One thing I forgot to mention as a factor for both range and top speed is wind. If the wind is blowing directly towards you, it will decrease speed and range, but if it is behind you it will increase these slightly. An interesting fact somewhat related to the above is that when you get up to 25 mph and faster, much of the energy it takes to move the bike becomes less about rolling resistance and weight, and more about air drag/friction. The faster you go, the more that is true. Some bicycle racers during races, will lay flat on their bikes going downhill. You'll see them pass the people sitting upright. All about aerodynamics. I'm thinking about making and putting a windshield on my Freedom bike to help increase range and top speed a bit. Also nicer in colder weather (though conversely, not as nice in hot weather). Cheers

[@justinborysenko3885]

I think you should start again in Florida on a small scale. Show us how to start and grow a dealership

[@RalphMoon]

What about the Freego X2 ?

[@quantumfx2677]

A9 Pro Max 52V Dual Motor Ebike 45 to 48 Mph Top Speed, 26*4.8" Fat Tire, 200 Miles but we know it depends on ridding done!

[@royglover415]

to much money for A9 Pro Max 52V Dual Motor Ebke over $3000 not worth it. Wired Cruiser my choice

[@rickystafford7433]

For me at least there's tax charged on the Wired and none on the Goat and there are discount codes with the Goat too. So they end up being almost exactly the same priced shipped. I was seriously considering one of the Goat bikes before the Mantis X came out. For me personally the MX is so much more bike for the money so that's what I went with but if you don't do any off road the Goat bikes still are great bikes.

[@quantumfx2677]

E-Cells MONSTAR™ 3000w 60v 80 AMP E-BIKE dual motor 48Mph and looks like a bike! The heck with wired! No thanks! To many reasons why I wouldn't touch a wired and with E-Cells why? Tell me why I would really like to know!

[@eRide_Addiction]

There's tax on ALL bikes. Wired is transparent with the tax while other companies hide it within the cost of the bike. I prefer transparency myself.

[@trueheart1372]

Do we know what cells they use

[@garybourke468]

I dont want 4 inch tires. Waiting for a company to come out with a more nimble 26 × 3" set of wheels.

[@LeeAyzahn]

The Billy Goat is okay. The Motor Goat is the more popular option since it resembles a motorcycle. But, I went with the Power Goat which resembles a moped with the center of the frame having more space for increasing battery capacity. And FYI, all three options have the same exact specs.

[@MrBalas3]

The Power Goat is the one I think I would consider because of the longer seat and being almost 6'5".

[@LeeAyzahn]

@@MrBalas3 the longer seat on the Power Goat is perfect for finding that sweet spot for comfort

[@damienphillips8422]

With the additional battery you're looking at a couple hundred dollars over $3,000 paying for the billy goat... the wireless freedom is still better for the $2,000 price tag💯

[@justinw1765]

I agree with you. But I should note that with tax and shipping, the Wired Freedom is closer to 2400 actual price. I know because I recently bought (and already received) one.

[@richh650]

A 26x4 inch fat tire bike is just too big for most...

[@zfenty]

3:22 looks like something a dropper post would have fixed.

[@CONSCIOUS_TALK_ENT.]

I still like wired better. If it was the same price I'd say the other one is better.

[@quantumfx2677]

E-Cells MONSTAR™ 3000w 60v 80 AMP E-BIKE dual motor 48Mph and looks like a bike! The heck with wired! No thanks! To many reasons why I wouldn't touch a wired and with E-Cells why? Tell me why I would really like to know!

[@CONSCIOUS_TALK_ENT.]

@@quantumfx2677 The price is probably way Higher for that bike.

[@TheAbsolutShame]

@@quantumfx2677 Because the Monstar cost almost double the price, has dual motors so more maintenance cost and only goes 3 mph faster. Thats why.

[@jcolt84]

When I hear the dude who always sounds like he knows everything talk about how the E cells five star is a clone of the wired freedom, I can’t help but to recognize that someone as obnoxious as he is, certainly doesn’t need a bike made for more than himself, because no woman will even step foot near him, let alone find one who would throw their leg over one of his bikes. Guess that’s why the Billy goat v3 is the ride he’s recommending now, and not the goat power ride v3 with its 32” saddle.

[@TheAbsolutShame]

I prefer the Wired Freedom myself but when you call the Five Star a clone you lose all credibility.

[@DayToven145]

the way he forces his strong opinions in this video was certainly unenjoyable for someone who has never watched his content, he was kind of being a know it all about everything and making general statements that he thinks apply to all people or all e-bikes

[@49lakers]

I’ll stay with the wired freedom, everything you see as an advantage is I disadvantage for me

[@redeadleftist]

soooo being 5’3” it’s too big for me huh? unfortunate

[@paochino6973]

You should check out the Freego X2/EKX X21 Max, It's better than both of those bikes, and I got it for $2,200

[@justinw1765]

Looks like a nice bike for sure. My only issue is that it looks more like an off road dirt bike than a bicycle and so police are more apt to pay attention to you, and the seat is non height adjustable.

[@son2soaringeagle]

Bro, not the billy goat. They have 3 bikes. The Motor Goat v3 is the one you should be looking at. It has a 60v battery with 17 cells instead of 16, so it charges to 70v. More power for the same price. The Power Goat is their #2 bike because it has the most comfortable seat. The Billy Goat is their worst bike.

[@peggylabarre1519]

great bike great review it is a greta bike for off road or on road with a motorcycle license the federal and state law states no bikes on the public roads over 750 watt and a mx speed of 28mph I am just stating the law here to protect you and inform you so you do not get into trouble like I said yes it is a great bike I have a legal 750 ebike and have a blast riding it and also have no problem buzzing by the cops its legal guys so buy smart ride safe and have a blast riding your legal ebike this you just need a motorcycle license that all well who the hell wants to here that I know

[@diggy-d8w]

When I consider any set of wheels, it's got to have "racks" & this one had that covered & of ample size to carry a fair amount of groceries, beer, or whatEVER your needs might be on any given day. Functionality is a must have, thanks for the video.

[@MrBalas3]

You can add a rack to the Goat bikes from what I've seen on their website, but yeah extra costs.

[@diggy-d8w]

When I think about spending a chunk of money like this, I have to be able to add the functionality to make it work for me which includes a way to carry at least a small payload. Like I listed above, and I think these bike guys are way over priced on accessories for the products they sell. I'm not opposed to using a milk crate as a basket on back but I used to carry 4 bags of groceries on the handle bars hanging 2 on each one. Of course I doubled up the bags & loaded them evenly for weight. I did this on a TOMOS 50cc moped I owned in the mid90's. So here I am looking at these but really, WHY buy a electric bike that only goes for 40-60 miles before having to be charging it again? In the City, I could make it work but they at least need to give us some method of Fast Charging( less than 2 hours) so we can use the thing all day? peace

[@MrBalas3]

@@diggy-d8w I have a milk crate on my Biktrix Kutty which works great except when trying to park it in a bike box. Good thing it's a foldable bike which helps. But the bike has electrical problems now and the 48V810.5Amp battery is to small even though my commute is short.

[@diggy-d8w]

There are folding milk crates as well but they were designed for pulling groceries & things on wheels. My mom uses one but no matter what we ride ya gotta make it functional to your needs. For me I've got to know I can go a certain distance & base that on full speed, that way if you use less than full you can go farther. That said, they should give you a 2nd battery that fits on the bike so you have 2 when you leave home. Another MUST HAVE for me is that they provide a Fast Charge for the battery. I mean a charge in 1hr or less ! The technology has been available for years & if you're paying that much for a motorized bicycle, you need all you can get. So I'm waiting & the only reason I'd consider one of these w/o the stuff I said, is if I had a license problem & rode a moped or Ebike. But w/ a license I need what I said else I's spend $3,000 for a Honda 150L Dual Sport motorcycle. The get great mileage & they're easy to handle around town. They're harder to steal than an ebike but I'm here to look at a decent bike. You be safe & I hope you get the bike you need. peace

[@quantumfx2677]

E-Cells MONSTAR™ 3000w 60v 80 AMP E-BIKE dual motor 48Mph and looks like a bike! The heck with wired! No thanks! To many reasons why I wouldn't touch a wired and with E-Cells why? Tell me why I would really like to know!

[@jfly2249]

Wait until you see what is coming next from Wired and at what price. Pure insanity! I got to test ride a production prototype yesterday and it’s probably game over for e smells. Revolutionary in several ways, not the least of which will be price.

[@alexher-fedup]

i’ll take the wired i can peddle when i want the bike you have can’t peddle 20” , i can manage and manipulate the power your bike is for cruising no peddling… please don’t compare a 20”to a 26” bike..

[@f1dog]

Goat Power bikes are e-mopeds. Not to say they are not cool, I want one. But if I could only get one, I'd rather get an ecells monstar for a little more money. Depending where you live, if cops have nothing better to do, they might stop you on a motor goat, but maybe not.

[@jfly2249]

I think you will soon see that the e cells AWD bikes are much less powerful and much more expensive than the competition that is lurking in the shadows ready to pounce. The Monster is a bike for little girls in comparison to what is coming next. Why would anyone trust a 70 year old coked up felon with thousands of dollars to wait months for a bike that has never been tested or reviewed? Stupid is as stupid does.

[@Trailtested]

Good choice, waiting for the monstar!

[@f1dog]

@@Trailtested You're such a good rider. Seen your vids!

[@MrBalas3]

@@jfly2249 So $3929.42 out the door for Wired Predator vs. Ecells Monstar $3,595. Less powerful, but not more expensive. Now the Wired Cruiser for $2518.92 vs. Ecells Step Star for $2,795 you've got a better price difference in favor of Wired. Great that Wired is more powerful, but both got plenty of power.

[@oldmanebikes8392]

E-cells was around way before wired lol. So who copied who E-cells has been using this frame and style for over 5yrs. Plus wired has too many issues and horrible customer service. I thought you did better research and you said your not sponsored by them but didn't they send that bike to you for free? The new model is horrible with death wobble and they won't help customers that report it. WOW

[@quantumfx2677]

Yes, can't seem to get that through people's head Now they have the monsstar doing 48 mph dual motors! Wired no way I hell for many reasons!

[@jfly2249]

E cells trolls from a company run by a 70 year old felon who started e cells while on house arrest after serving 12 years in prison and receives an F rating from the BBB. The e cells dual star has a horrible death wobble they are trying to conceal, deleting every negative comment . kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3PTnn2Zm7WEp8Usi=Y-XTB6qMEVr1hmMr

[@CommentLikeDescribe]

Yeah those 5 stars are sick. So is the part where when you order one and it never gets delivered. That's pretty rad. 😑

[@Trailtested]

Yeah, wired copied ECELLS monarch frame they’ve been in business way longer.

[@quantumfx2677]

@@CommentLikeDescribe I swear I read this about every ebike I look at! China is not too dependable at times!

[@brett7740]

Wired all day

[@jfly2249]

Different market segments. Many people want a bike to pedal and don’t want to look like a kid on a toy motorcycle, or get hassled by Karen’s and cops. Others much prefer the e moped style, still others prefer an electric dirt bike. The motor goat isn’t very good off road and has no cargo capability In terms of bang for your buck, the new Wired bikes are hard to beat. But different strokes for different folks.

[@lmiller151]

Yes, I like to pedal and I especially like the large cranks on the Freedom/E-Cell/Keplers (I have a Kepler). When I am on PAS5 doing like 35 mph and still pedaling and contributing without ghost pedaling its a really special feeling. I have a Moped style too but I had to stick like 8 inches of foam on the seat to get it to where I could pedal with decent leverage and I also had to swap out the free wheel for one with an 11t gear but its a fun bike too. I like my Kepler a lot but it does look like the Freedom packs a hell of a lot into a $2300 dollar (with shipping) bike. I got my Kepler for $1500 with shipping included and I still think that would hit the sweet spot for a lot of people, dollar and performance wise. Though as the Man said for the Freedom also applies to the Kepler - its a massive frame. I am 5'11" and feel like a little kid riding the thing. On the other hand, it feels real good to be able to see over lots of stuff and also to be seen. So many good ebikes to choose from, I have 5 and still find myself window shopping for the next one :)

[@MrBalas3]

@@lmiller151 Good to know. That's one of the beefs with my current Ebike (Biktrix Kutty foldable ebike). I can't stand the Ghost pedaling.

[@royglover415]

bullshit ok. wired has 2 battery's and the step through version of wired can seat 5/3 riders easily. And if don't like wired seat buy cloud 9 fat seat. Wired cruiser bike lime green color is a beast. You can take your Billy goat to the trash bro. Also 0-20 mph wired is faster

[@EuroYank]

I’d love to have a fast electric bike but unless you only ride off-road, you are a lawyer’s dream because they are illegal to ride on public streets. So if you get in an accident, even if it’s not your fault, you (or your parents) can be sued big time, or even wind-up in jail. Caveat emptor.

[@quantumfx2677]

R I S T R E T T O 512 keep it lock in class 3 you will be fine then unlock it on dirt roads!

[@eRide_Addiction]

Yep, keep it locked down to class 2 of 3 and still get the benefits of the 153nm of torque for hills.

[@maxandzorro]

I ride mine to work every day. As long as you're not a complete asshole, it's no problem even at 55mph. I have an Aprilia 1100 and I honestly prefer my Talaria for commuting. And I did have an accident once involving police and it was fine. Be respectful and you won't have a problem.

[@barryschmidt7077]

2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BIKES......completely....$600 more.... still only one battery..another $400...yeah, naw...

[@SirWrecksy]

Wired is the clone not E Cells and a cheap one at that

[@jfly2249]

E cells is a tiny little company run out of a convicts trailer home in butt plug Nevada. Before they copied Wired’s old drivetrain, they had sold less than 1000 bikes total. E cells price point was 4k- 5k AWD which was an absolute rip off which is why they sold so few bikes. Nobody had ever heard of e cells and you are mentally deficient if you believe otherwise. Btw, Wired has 1000 more watts, a thru axle, UL certification and is much less expensive.

[@SirWrecksy]

@@jfly2249 Wired gets hot shuts down all the time, wobbles, throttle sucks, half the warranty, mnagement says it's your problem to figure out, warranty says explicitly. If you unlock it there is no warranty, cheap metal, plastic potting, bullshit delivery fee, tax and bullshit insurance fee, design rip-off, 1000 watts more that overheat the bike all for 2 mi an hour faster Yeah that's a winner, fuqtard fanboy

[@JohnnyGARLAND-e9k]

🇺🇸 REALLY Y pay 2000 💵 Dollars For Any Ebike When they are Nice E-bikes all over the internet with 4000 w For less than $800 💵Dollars Really Look on the internet for your own self

[@rapidtransition2852]

Name some I wanna know some good ones because most of those are random Chinese Amazon dropshits

[@johnrob3215]

This bike is not 3200 watts, the dude is lying to you. If he lies about this he'll lie about anything. Can't be trusted.

[@rapidtransition2852]

Yes it is check their website

[@johnrob3215]

@@rapidtransition2852 no you Lying SOS. The Freedom has a 1500w nominal batt...how the marketing dept claims 3200 peak is embarrassing.

[@eddies6417]

The Tired Freedumb is a gigantic, heavy and goofy bike that is way over-rated and is good for middle aged geeks to cruise around the retirement community. The suspension sucks ass as well as handling. Ive ridden one and was not impressed, more like depressed.......