From Trial to Triumph: Sharing the Truths of a Ketogenic Low Carb Diet - Professor Tim Noakes

[@NutritionwithJudy]

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[@M-MMo]

Professor Noakes is a hero!

[@rinanorden2343]

Totally agree. He knew the truth about the best human diet for decates and was cruxified for it. They wanted to destroy him and the truth at the end was the winner. If anything, his trail was also for many of our South Africans watching, be converted to banting, ketogenic and later Carnivore. I am so glad that the rest of the world is waking up and taking note of this man’s wealth of knowledge. 🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@ActivateMission2ThisTimeline]

Dude spits truth and 🔥 fire!!!

[@MyFatAdaptedLife]

Thank you, Judy, for having my idol Prof Noakes on your program. Because of Prof Noakes and the carnivore diet, I am completely fat-adapted and run up to 100 miles a week. Utilizing Prof Noakes' expertise, I qualified for my 6th Boston Marathon two weeks ago on only water and electrolytes. BTW I'm 61 years young. Please share this success story with Prof Noakes if you can. Best.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Amazing! Thank you for sharing your story!! ♥️🥩

[@MyFatAdaptedLife]

@@NutritionwithJudy Thank you for all you do for the community :-)

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

I’m 58 yrs but I don’t feel young lol I feel 58yrs old. Mentally, somewhat emotionally and definitely spiritually. Spiritually should be making me feel joy IOW YOUNG What is joy but youthful exuberance? 💃 🕺 My spiritual needs some care. Then perhaps I will feel 58yr young too! It’s just so affected by physical dysfunctions. This is a problem as In SPITE of our present sufferings we find joy in He Who fashioned our very genome and in His creation all around us. I will take this matter srsly in the coming weeks as I continue in my journey. “It’s the climb” after all, eh?

[@lifeinsuranceguru]

I'm 58 going on 24. There is nothing I can't do that I could do when I was 24. I have zero joint pain after a lifetime of running. I did just give up chronic cardio in exchange for 8x100 m sprints three times a week. This seems to work much better for me. It's much more time efficient.

[@MyFatAdaptedLife]

@@lifeinsuranceguru That's great to hear. The other side effect of carnivore is speedier recovery time after tough workouts. Cheers

[@Nervedraz]

Amazing interview! The suppressive forces we are dealing with are deplorable.

[@dixsigns1717]

I never knew that the SAD diet was killing me. I thought I was just weak and unable to stick with any diet. But, I started keto on June 2, 2021, and now I am a dirty carnivore (still uses no carb condiments). I hope I live long for it to make a difference!

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

I just have to have herbs & spices. But I don’t have plant intolerances like oxalates, etc Eating is a pleasurable thing. It’s meant to be pleasurable. I will not just have it be reduced to maintenance of life. But that’s me. YMMV 🙂

[@Pitcher902]

We definitely need to take responsibility for our health. Prof Noake's talk was very beneficial! Thank you for sharing 😊

[@shelly2758]

God bless Prof Noakes . We stand on the shoulders of giants and he is one of them. 🙌🏼❤️

[@candacekerr4139]

Thank you! We need more people like him! The word is finally getting out about the Evil Elites.

[@dieselbourbon3728]

They've been at it since Cain clobbered Abel.

[@shelley4417]

Love Prof Noakes !! He is my hero here in South Africa 🇿🇦

[@Cher1924]

I have battled with type 2 diabetes for 40+ years. Six weeks ago we (my daughter and I) started Ketovore. Since then, I have reduced my insulin from 17 to 2 units; off of Invokana; off gliclazide (2 a day); off cholesterol pills; off 2 high blood pressure pills; and off of Ozempic from the first week. I have lost 3.5 lbs which is alright and now I am only 10 lbs overweight. My poor doctor is in shock. My bs is riding normal high - which is alright. I am feeling so much better and am looking forward to the future with great hope. I saw the ophthalmologist this morning. In 2019 he found a bulged blood vessel in my eye which is a sign of diabetic retinopathy. Today, the bulge is gone and he says my eyes are perfect. He was shocked too. I am so grateful to the Lord for showing me this way of eating (and he literally spoke to me one morning and said, now is the time to change and showed me what I needed to do!

[@coffeemachtspass]

I admire Professor Noakes very much. It would have been so easy for him to cave in to the pressures from regulators and industry, but he stood his ground and started swinging (metaphorically 😂, with science!). I’ve watched the recorded proceedings of his trial in their entirety, and his testimony is a beautiful thing.

[@vickimartin7601]

What a wonderful man. Not to give in. Took one for the team. Humanity is the team. What a great man. Thanks for the interview. Loved it.

[@LorileeWI]

Thank you again Dr. Noakes for sharing your journey, wisdom, humility to say "i was wrong", and of course for being willing to go against big pharma, the media, pfizer ...the list goes on and on. You have proven that low carb heals. İt healed me and my husband. God bless your future in Jesus' name! We appreciate your respectful perseverance!

[@livininslc]

I pray people will listen to Prof Noakes. He is speaking 💯 truth and good for him for speaking out. Many blessings to him and Dr Judy.

[@richardkillian855]

As my Irish grandmother used to say "That man has a first class ticket to Heaven",surly applies to Prof. Noakes.

[@jeffallen4113]

Pro. Noakes, it was comforting to hear that a LCHF hero has the same sugar weakness as me. It is a struggle. If I take the smallest taste of something sweet. It is a whole other world of addiction!!! Carnivore is healing for me and I want to slay this dragon of addiction to sugar!!

[@bradtozier6776]

I'm 64, and unless my memory is off, it used to be called "Sugar Diabetes," not "Type 2 Diabetes." Seems evident enough as to what the problem was back then. It hasn't changed.

[@barbaram4403]

Thank you for this interview. Professor Noakes is one of the greats. ❤

[@lloydbeebe-tl6fz]

An honest person what a pleasure

[@jetje5300]

Tim RULES!!!💪

[@aleciacope3503]

Thank you both for this interview! I respect you both for your courage. Now I'm off to figure out how to abstain from sugar...my sugar addiction is a beast.

[@kentee4957]

Same here - major addiction. Found it easy when went carnivore

[@NutritionwithJudy]

It really is. Take it one day, one meal at a time.

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

Don’t abstain Simply start by water fasting (1 black coffee or tea a day if u must). No diet drinks. No broth. Just electrolytes and water. Don’t buy the drinks, they’re all sweetened. Put some quality salt on ur hand & lick it off. Real Salt is an affordable quality salt. Take a chug of water. Put some NoSalt on ur hand & lick it off. Chug some water. I use 1/6th of a tsp NoSalt. Take a quality mag in capsules (tablets don’t absorb) at bedtime. Repeat the salt and potassium (NoSalt) a couple more times a day. You can also lightly salt ur water thruout the day if ur feeling fatigued or rly crappy “keto flu”. Sugar can only be eradicated, not controlled. It’s like “controlling” a volcano. Do a 3-5 day water fast. Then NO sugar once u start eating again. Very limited berries for fruit. It’s hard, ur body thinks it’s cruel but YOU know it’s a drug. Be well 🙂

[@fionabutchart4663]

Prof Noakes is my hero. Thank you for a great interview.

[@arthurmarek8418]

Thank you for posting this interview, both of you are awesome.

[@KimbaRoars]

All you need to do, once you have resolved any and all metabolic diseases, is to train past that glucose threshold and not eat any additional carbohydrates. That in itself is a huge feat for most, with the physical addictions and mental dogma hurdles on top of that very tall order. Thank you Judy for having the great Prof. Noakes on. God bless him a long vibrant life. We need him here for a long long time🫶🏽💣💥

[@naseemahallyson5003]

Respected Professor Tim Noakes.. My Hero .. You changed my thinking, and I have a pain-free life today .. it is without a doubt that The Almighty has a great plan, and you are a great part of that plan .. cos this world needs intellects like yourself and all those who are part of this movement to save the humans .. I am proudly South African 🇿🇦 lots of prayers 🙏 from Johannesburg

[@Metranger-xd4bt]

Great interview. Thank you......I think it was Bart Kay that said that it's certain gut bacteria that trick you into craving sweets because it helps them survive. He then said that once you pass the 6 month period of time being carnivore, those cravings go away.

[@omg_wtf]

For me the cravings went after a few days. It was a horrible few days though.

[@ekondigg6751]

Doesn't work with everyone. After 3 months my cravings went down. But 6 years later it's still waiting in ambush.

[@Carnivoreshrink]

Thank you so much for this interview, Judy. Professor Noakes is an absolute legend and I can highly recommend the Nutrition Network courses ❤

[@livingatlarge]

What a wonderful interview. Thank you to the both of you.

[@BiggieCheese45]

Noakes is a great man, a brave man willing to publish data that went against establishment dogma, and was able to shift the paradigm

[@flugmodus9214]

I love that you shared your vision for 2030 Dr. Noaks! ❤ it’s so important to go against the narrative but it’s also important to have an alternative goal to envision and strive for! Thank you Judy for yet another great interview 😊 Love, light and health to all!🌺🙏

[@CarnivoreCheer-ib7oc]

Thank you so much for interviewing Dr Noakes. I admire him for making the needed course correction in carbohydrates. His courage is inspiring.

[@eleni8920]

Keep up the fight, Dr. Noakes! Thanks for all you do.

[@alananderson5202]

Fantastic interview and information. Thank you Judy for a work well done. He is such a fine man.

[@arleneneethling779]

Legend! I was in SA when the news started with him, sadly I never heated his POV. Grateful to hear the truth now. Disappointed that the university never apologised!

[@1timbarrett]

A heated POV?🤔

[@cmorrison5466]

@@1timbarrett Point of View

[@suzanneoleson7580]

Awesome interview. Thanks to both of you.

[@taradodson8097]

An awesome interview. I have the utmost respect for both of you. Thank you for your service to humanity. I gave up PUFA's (seed oils) way before giving up sugar. I did not have any significant positive changes until giving up sugar and cutting down carbs, lower than 20 grams per day Now I'm carnivore and only have those carbs that may be in eggs or dairy! I am insulin resistant so I've not seen much invest of changes in labs, only the way I feel and minor weight loss.

[@NutritionwithJudy]

Thank you sharing, Tara. Sugar is still not ideal no matter how many pufa experts says it’s just PUFAs.

[@katiejolley1946]

This is such an awesome interview. 🎉

[@hollymccormick1895]

Thank you Judy and Professor Noakes. Your story is inspiring and displays integrity for doing the right thing, no matter what it takes. Kudos on your project in South Africa in working with the poor. The poor is who the 3,000 are looking to eliminate first. But if we all stand up and call “nonsense” on what Big Food and Big Pharma are putting over on humanity, I believe good will prevail. We all need to keep looking for the truth, stand up for what’s right, and spread the word. We’ll get there! Thank you both again.

[@Leslie4jc]

What a fabulous interview. This wonderful man has grit!! I love how he kept going, and although there were times he thought one way, he was not prideful in admitting he discovered a better way.

[@aliciamarana]

Thank you for all that you do! Both of you ❤

[@divya9735]

That's too good to be true, regarding pharma...thanks a lot for this interview. I learned so much.

[@jojaha700]

Excellent interview! Thank you, Judy!

[@donnakona1347]

Thanks for this interview with Dr Timothy Noakes. I've been following him for years!

[@donnakona1347]

My son is a marathon runner age 44 and he thinks high carbs are good for running. He is tall and slim (no health issues) but I am worried that this could cause him prediabetes. It's hard to tell him that you don't need carbs they aren't essential. Going to forward him this video and hope/pray it works.

[@angiesmith3556]

Love this !! Professor Noakes is so knowledgeable!! Really enjoyed this interview 😊 Thank you Judy ❤

[@eas1404]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Prof Noakes.

[@marcysmith2851]

Thank you Judy for this interview. The most important piece of information for me was realizing my ultimate goal for the Ketovore way of eating is to: overcome my addiction to sugar and carbs!! I have been discouraged because I’ve gained weight since I started carnivore 1 January this year. But I probably have metabolic syndrome so I’m praying that all I need is patience-and the proper balance of protein and fat. Thank you again for this interview of a man of courage and fortitude. (On a sidenote, I’m curious why his dad was so ill when the doctor said his mom cooked mostly meat…)

[@matrices3987]

This has helped a lot because it details the very low carb grams required by some people to keep healthy.

[@lisamitchell3116]

What a wonderful man….thank you Judy ♥️

[@terrycayea5913]

Prof Noakes is a hero. Awesome interview

[@xBettyjo]

I was in superbad health I weigh 175lb I was 5 1 55 years old pre-diabetic, astronomically high blood pressure, and took armor thyroid I had hashimoto's. And then the cholesterol medication that I refuse to take. A year-and-a-half later I am no longer at risk for diabetes. I no longer have high blood pressure and on my own two months before my doctor's appointment I stopped taking my thyroid medication everything online said I would surely die. Newsflash I have a normal thyroid now and I take no pharmaceuticals. Oh and my weight is 130lbs

[@lisaj8843]

Congratulations on being armor free! I have hashi and am taking 3/4 grain armor. Are you full carnivore or keto?

[@christopherthompson3313]

Thank you for speaking up, to share your personal experience. Just as I was about to mention a grass roots effort, Judy just mentioned it 2/3 through the interview. The more folks who speak out, the better the chances other folks will adopt a better way of eating.

[@mannyqueiroga223]

This man is spot on!

[@geopietro]

Great interview Judy. Fantastic guest. Thank you!

[@lu-cindyschiller9636]

Love Dr. Nosies. Thank you Judy for interviewing him.❤

[@NicholeHansen]

Truly a great interview! I loved everything Prof. Noakes had to say, and Judy, you asked great questions! You both did a fantastic job! I want to say thank you to Prof. Noakes for standing up for not just himself, but all of us who have been egregiously duped by the pharmaceuticals, media, elites, and others pushing the BS to us! We have more sick people on this planet right now, than healthy ones. Just look around us at the hobbling obese population. It truly is sad that our Standard American Diet is indeed SAD. Thank you both for such an outstanding interview!

[@scottstevens6380]

Thank you. I love your interviews.

[@159awi]

Hmmm. I would like to hear more on his thoughts on these evil people. 57:40

[@hugoboggino7933]

always a pleasure listening professor NOAKES. Extraordinary man and scientist.

[@cindaladahling1706]

YAY DR. NOAKES!!!!

[@soulcostume]

I'd definitely love to hear more on the topic of anti-diuretic hormone being turned off and sodium in the wrong places. Always, always get some new insight from Judy and her guests! Thank you 🙏🏻 Prof. Tim is so humble and kind.

[@yolandarojas9832]

Felicidades excelente invitado y un héroe. 🎉

[@sanautin]

Absolutely brilliant.

[@AntoineGrangier]

Your videos are so pleasant to listen to. Congratulations. You're doing a great job.

[@joannsmith9]

Thank you thank you thank you !

[@sallystiling1713]

So glad I listened to this. I'm like Prof Noakes and can't get my blood sugar below 5, even after doing dr boz's sardine challenge. I have 2 small meals a day, 6 hours apart and only 3-4 ounces at a sitting of meat, if I have maybe a hard boiled egg early evening next day my blood sugar is over 6!

[@ekondigg6751]

If you check your blood glucose early in the morning, it might be due to the "dawn effect", where glucose is naturally higher than normal for a while. Some people see that go quite significantly up. Maybe try again a couple of hours later. If the high reading is just due to the dawn effect, I don't think it's anything to worry about, so long as for the rest of the day it's down.

[@sheilacollins9384]

It makes sense that there is such a small margin of error in terms of individualized carbohydrate tolerance. The amount of sugar in the bloodstream that is available for balanced body function is a mere 1 teaspoon.

[@robyn3349]

Thank you, Both!

[@pamelawoodsum8608]

Thanks for this wonderful Podcast I just started the carnivore diet. I feel so much better.

[@buildingnumberseven]

Great video.. Keep speaking the truth..

[@jilltatehiggins]

I’ve reversed type 2 diabetes 12 years ago. Recently reversed prediabetes which showed back up after a big surgery and steroids!♥️♥️♥️♥️

[@catalinatreats]

Thanks for sharing this great information 😊

[@baccaratfitness2360]

Another great interview! Thanks Judy!

[@erickfuentes5975]

Thank so much for share all this life save information! All my respect for you guys

[@fleridaruppert7254]

Wow🎉🎉🎉 this was an amazing interview. The facts / science were awesome and the challenge to learn, read and find the truth….. challenge accepted.

[@jobrown8146]

Excellent interview. Thank you.

[@anneh8249]

Thanks for a great podcast with Professor Noakes, what a giant in the field! I have been doing ketovore for the last 7 months and my resting heart rate has gone up from an average of 52 to 63. I feel good, my glucose averages 82 with a CGM and I got a CAC scan of Zero recently. Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with higher resting heart rate doing keto for extended periods of time? Thanks!

[@drumnotatsujin]

Your health, their wealth.

[@ekondigg6751]

Great interview!

[@frankiefernandez5252]

Sums it all up with "we're all bring propagandized for money."

[@alejandropacello8188]

Excelent interview Thank you!!!

[@carriesilvinaespinozavilla5177]

It's so sad to deal with the prideful attitudes of academics who hold so tight to beliefs they feel are being threatened. I work at a college. I am the ADA of the Nutrition Dept. As a database administrator I function as a statician. I am very suspicious of stats and research papers because I understand how numbers can be easily twisted to support biased beliefs. I am always checking my own data. When I told a user to correct data she had input incorrectly , this person ran to the Dean and complained that I had " hurt her feelings". I was reprimanded, I took an appeal through an appeal "court" with a 75 year old professor who did not understand the importance of data compilation and I was put off 2 days without pay and ordered to attend " Sensitivity Training". Of course when asked about diet I promote dumping all processed faux foods, grains, suger, seed oils, etc This raises eyebrows because we supposedly need " essential" carbs. I was a mid distance and long distance runner in my teens, an Olympic contender. I look back and I now realize I was pre-diabetic and grossly inflammed through high carb intake only able to function because of the saving grace of running every day. It was only after a series of body insults one right after the other over 7 years that brought me to near death. In a terrible perfect storm of inflammation cascade I was working in an 80 year old building that leaked chronically and had high mold and fungus spores.Judy's mold information helped me to force the college to move me out of the offending building.Series of body insults: I had a broken back in June 2016, became very sedentary, multiple serious upper respiratory infections back to back from building, Big C #1 in late 2019- March 2020, serious spinal surgery Feb 2020, Pandemic forces lockdown in home NO EXCERCISE March 17, 2020. Long spinal surgery recovery, Big C #2 Dec 2020-Feb 2021, employer insisted on jab in 2021. Suffering strange symptoms, no one mentioned adverse reactions at that time. Spinal surgeon first to tell me about "Longhauler Syndrome". Serious massive pain got worse and worse, enlarged heart, chronic lung congestion, swollen lower legs and feet. Went to emergency first time in life Sept 21, diagnosed with officially with C Longhaulers, C Sequelea, adverse reaction to jab. CT scans showed multiple tumors on left side of body in left eye, liver, breast, lymph system. High intensity tomography breast exam 4 weeks before jab showed clean breast tissue. Was too sick to function had to work hard to clear up lung congestion to survive anesthesia for lumpectomies. Started reading research and frantically studying. Dec 29, 21 exposed to Big C #3. Doctors wanted me in hospital. Terrified of hospitalization I begged for CGM, my oncologist said "Why,?" I knew I was battling for my life. Jan 22, I went to keto, ate every other day and realized I was a suger addict. I cannot eat suger in moderation. I just can't. I have to do abstinence. My tumors reduced after 45 days on keto and IF. March 14, 22 two lumpectomies. May, 22 radiation which on retrospect grossly added to inflammation. Reached stage 4 radiation poisoning and radiation " therapy" was stopped early. In intense pain , joints like cut glass, muscle aches so bad I couldn't drive or sleep. Not one doctor ran tests for inflammation markers. Went carnivore July 7, 22. Realized raw milk caused pain to rise. Realized addiction to dairy. July 22 #4, recovery much quicker, Jan 23 #5. Health dramatically improved due to Real Foods giving nutrition desperately needed. Went from walking 50 feet to 8 miles. Lungs cleared. Off all allergy and asthmatic meds of 20 years. Off all psych meds, antibiotics, antivirals, carbs. One supplement of Armour thyroid for Hashimotos has been reduced by 50%. I thank you both for saving my life.

[@debraraiche3327]

Thank You! Fantastic!

[@thomashughes4859]

Use a hyperbolic curve to get people off carbs. They form a physical dependency and cannot be weaned off of linearly. Ask me and I'll explain it in more detail for those who are interested. Be well!

[@WalkingOneLegAtATime]

Minute 58: spot on👍

[@teremaitri1100]

Hi Judy thanks for this interview👏👏 you both are changing human dietary patterns and bringing health back for so many people worldwide!❤ Could you please clarify if it is sustainable to do only beef? I have ibs and I can’t tolerate eggs, dairy, chicken, pork, fish, ground beef, broths, ribs… so only ribeye In the sibo Facebook groups and also in the lion diet group I am in, I see a lot of people in the same situation, we feel our best on carnivore but without dairy, butter or eggs I’m afraid we are deficient in nutrients. Could you talk about that please? Thanks for your help

[@lisagayhart2482]

Luv you both. Thank you for saving me

[@cherylandrews3929]

Very good interview

[@estmast7310]

Have you looked into the eat right 4 your type (blood type) and whether the carnivore diet is more compatible with some peoples blood type?

[@espianmashias9565]

Is it ok to feed 3 year old beef steaks and ground beef? My grand-babies love it.

[@cassandrasmom]

Not only is it ok…you should feed that to them! Perfect brain food 👍

[@espianmashias9565]

@@cassandrasmom thank you for your response.

[@omg_wtf]

Alan Aragon talked about seed oils recently. He says there is no evidence that they are harmful. I listen to Alan, so is he wrong and would you be willing to debate him?

[@ekondigg6751]

With seed oils, there are three main issues (there's also a lesser known one claiming they cause macular degeneration). First is a fairly new hypothesis that, on a mitochondrial level, specifically the linoleic acid in seed oils promotes weight gain, and that this is a more important effect than sugar consumption. This is still an untested hypothesis, based on understanding the biochemical pathways in the mitochondria. Getting funding for testing the hypothesis is likely to prove impossible. I don't buy it. All we have to do is look at people who achieve good and long-lasting weight loss results like Dr Westman (and myself 🙂). They don't do it by taking people off seed oils. The second issue is that, being majority unsaturated, they oxidise readily. Compounded by using high heat in the extraction process, which accelerates oxidation, by the time we buy the oil off the shelf, it's already heavily oxidised (only takes 14 days for most seed oils to be heavily oxidised). Using oxidised fatty acids for cellular construction is a bad idea because the structures incorporate faulty material. Long-term harm is very difficult to prove. The third issue is that there is a huge omega 6 - 3 imbalance in fat consumption if seed oils are mostly consumed. The body needs both, but with a typically more than 20:1 imbalance in favour of omega 6, the circulatory system suffers from low-level inflammation. While low-level, long-term inflammation is never a good idea, long-term harm is difficult to prove. Even though difficult to prove, the second and third issues are enough for me to keep off them, invoking the precautionary principle.

[@docfrayon]

KETO/IF changed my life too...

[@elkanr]

Who are the two women authors he writes that really understand the food/sugar addiction?

[@JenFine223]

Judy does he have any book's on Amazon available

[@fatucha5621]

Last night i dicovered that may problems following carnivore was postpandrial hipotension. Im going to work about that. Chew more. Anyone suffering with that?

[@alananderson5202]

Has Professor Noakes done extended fasting?

[@Brontephile666]

What is his book called for me to buy

[@strykerace]

how do we follow you on twitter? don't use facebook or instagram.

[@divya9735]

If carbs is so destructive for the body, why does the brain develop such a strong addiction for it? It would be a lot easier if we were developing an addiction for healthy fats! I have been doing intermittent fasting, but OMG I crave sugar in my coffee/tea. By the end of the 2nd week, I cave in for 2 days I had my sugary coffee :(.

[@berna4777]

Hello Judy. Your video content is excellent. By the way, I sent you an email. I appreciate you sharing your content.

[@suesimmons926]

35% of calories from protein seems a bit much to me. Measuring protein by calories gives the wrong impression because the mitochondria cannot burn protein ... it is for tissue and hormone construction, etc ... not for energy production. True, it can be converted into sugar, which can be burned or further converted into fat and stored for later burning ... but the conversion process is supposed to be a last resort survival thing ... not a sustainable or optimal thing. If I can use only one hundred grams of high quality protein per day ... but ingest 250 grams (1000 kcal) per day ... then 150 of those grams must be either discarded somehow or converted to sugar ... a metabolically sub optimal process at best, and a more or less toxic process in any case. I say 1000 kcal because that is approximately 35 percent of my energy requirement ..but 250 grams of protein is way too much for me ... since grass fed butter and other easily metabolized healthy fats are avaiable to me. Doesn't the excess sugar from too much gluconeogenesis contribute to metabolic disease? Remember "rabbit sickness" from too much lean protein when blubber was not available? Many of us have had to lower our protein intake to 72 mg per day (from a dozen good eggs, say) to restore optimal health. Some body builders think they need more ... but that's because they are fat phobic ... eating lean chicken breasts ... making rabbit sickness into a lifestyle ... a miserable part of their bulk and cut cycle ... and totally unnecessary!

[@tslilbearshoppe9870]

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