Obi-Wan Kenobi is a show that exists

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[@nowionlywantatriumph]

“But unfortunately, their performances were brought down by the directing and the writing.” It’s like poetry. You know, they rhyme.

[@sailorhatguy5763]

Star Wars is truly plagued by the disability of not having good direction, writing and acting at the same time

[@properduction2586]

Excluding Moses Ingram’s acting…Sorry but we need to stop pretending like she gave a decent performance…

[@damkylan3]

@@properduction2586 People ain’t pretending, nerdlinger. Maybe you should stop pretending to be some kind of objective critic.

[@thomasbailey921]

​@@properduction2586 the problem is this is the only performance that shes ever given (as far as I know) so I wouldnt be surprised if she was actually a good actress and she was just ruined by directing and writing. I mean Hayden is pretty good, too, but Lucas decided to make Anakin a block of wood. they just also decided to make Reva an ANGRY block of wood. hard to act well as an angry block of wood.

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

@@properduction2586 it was a really good performance, given what she was working with.

[@liamphibia]

Fun Fact: Hayden Christensen confirmed that he binged-watched The Clone Wars & Rebels in order to familiarize himself & his character again. I love that!💙

[@qaztim11]

It's a shame the writers and producers couldn't be bothered to do that.

[@fortimusprime]

@@qaztim11 Yeah... The actors really seem to be more invested in this than the actual writers.

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

My man. ❤️

[@crazyralph6386]

Fun Fact: Moses Ingram was hired by Kennedy because she never watched ONE Star Wars movie, cartoon or tv series........and it showed.

[@AsteroSloth]

@@fortimusprime to be fair, if you were Anakin Skywalker you’d be more into it than everyone in every room

[@pizzatime8404]

I like how Ashoka removes one half of his helmet and Obi Wan removes the other. Neither could fully free Anakin from his suit. Only Luke could take the helmet off completely. Good stuff

[@joshuablunt3469]

I loved that as well! Ashoka and Obi were the closest to Anakin, but didn’t have the strength to turn him to the light, maybe together they could have, but it’s right that only Luke could turn him to the light

[@kyleghilani6386]

I hate being that guy but it’s Ahsoka not Ashoka

[@grievous8475]

I love how copied this comment is

[@yegor2letov]

🤓

[@pizzatime8404]

@@grievous8475 cringe

[@broadside1713]

"The execution just didn't land in a lot of ways, unfortunately." Well yeah, she survived, that was a pretty poor execution on Vader's part indeed.

[@zombieguns3773]

Nice

[@michelecastellotti1884]

like... jow the fuck did he nor the clones noticed her? they were patrolling that temples every single corner, no way in hell they missed her ass

[@pikachufrankie]

@@michelecastellotti1884Not to mention that Obi Wan and Yoda went to the temple too, and somehow didn’t see her there either

[@spongebobsquarepants2981]

​@@zombieguns3773 ok

[@nicodemusedwards6931]

This show feels like it should’ve been just a movie. Just an “Obi-Wan: A Star Wars Story” sort of deal.

[@COCO-tm3gp]

It was gonna be a movie until Solo flopped

[@ramofeldduckington6257]

Agreed. It’s what happens when you try to stretch a single movie’s story out across six episodes.

[@c.w.simpsonproductions1230]

Yep. That's what it feels like. Thank Solo's flop at the box office for that, combined with Mandalorian's success.

[@fiercelypolygons3696]

That was the original idea, 3 movies actually but were scrapped when solo flopped. 1 movie would have been great or for this show to be a bit shorter.

[@sbraypaynt]

Cinema is dying thanks to streaming services. They can drag it out and keep hype if it’s a series. It would have been much more meaningful to fans if they made it a movie. Why the fuck would Disney care about that though?

[@Anthony-eg3qd]

You missed something very important about episode 4. RIP the mouse droid that got shot by a stray bullet during the Leia rescue mission. Literally a more meaningful sacrifice than Wade.

[@tienluong9648]

This is the first time I see him actually dropping a heart

[@magicoddball1452]

Wade was more tragic

[@lil_drummaboi_429]

lmfao the funny part is that it's not even a stray bullet... Talla purposely shoots it😂😂😂

[@JonoBogano]

who's wade?

[@IJN_Guy]

"Manslaughter, doctor? I did that [__] on purpose!" - Max0r.

[@TheCronq]

My biggest problem is that there are literally like no aliens in this show, in a new hope there were more practical effect aliens than there were regular humans

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

Aliens cannot be black, therefore they aren't relevant.

[@TheTendermen]

Its a problem with these new Disney SW shows, either there are no aliens, or the aliens that are there don't look like what they are supposed to. Ex: The Grand Inquisitor looks like an albino bald human, barely resembling what he looks like in Rebels, or his species in RotS. Or Cad Bane, who again look to little like his own species in other live actions stuff, his cartoon version is more accurate.

[@bbolin5626]

@@TheTendermen It’s the same with Lightyear. For some reason they only had humans with the only aliens being those plant things.

[@ferociousrazordino3581]

Disney sucks at space stuff

[@benjaminreedy4892]

Yeah. As a big fan of Star Wars' alien species, it pains me to see so few of them used as prominent characters in the live action films and shows. Same goes for droids; sometimes it seems like Disney doesn't know what to do with droids.

[@PikkeWouter]

I feel Reva would have been a great character if she wasn't in this particular show. She would have been exponentially better if she were to be the next antagonist in the jedi fallen order series. Seeing as she and Cal have practically identical backstories with the only difference being Reva falling to the dark side and Cal staying in the light. Would have made for a good dinamic

[@LadyBravefalcon]

The presence of "Fallen Order" really screwed this show over, especially since "Fallen Order" told the story much more competently.

[@minakothememequeen1281]

@@LadyBravefalcon I feel like there's also a factor where fallen order uses inquisitors so much better

[@ShizzyMcCreepy]

Well considering Jedi Survivor takes place in the same year as this show I think there’s a good chance we’ll see her again

[@sorbetk5879]

@@minakothememequeen1281 I mean, almost every Star Wars property that used the Inquisitors did it better than the Obi-Wan Show. Not throwing them aside completely after episode 4 helps a lot, usually.

[@gaychampagnesocialist7213]

Reva is fucking insane, IDK if I hate her for being a massive idiot with plot armor, or I like her for fucking with everyone.

[@revoken6446]

I loved when Kenobi said "I Quied when you were Gon." after Qui-Gon's Force Ghost appeared. Best scene in the series!

[@crosscourttennis1796]

this might be the best one i've heard yet ahaha

[@budgetlifter]

truly one of the scenes in the show

[@BranCito_]

Why isn’t this the top comment

[@AnakinSkyobiliviator]

It Kenobi, Master Qui-Gon back from the dead?!

[@Angel-mm2bz]

i cried when vader said "I'm luke's father" and obi one said "And I'm Obi Wan Kenobi the Disney+ series"

[@DistantKingdom]

the final episode was cool.. until you realize Kenobi left Vader alive to continue terrorizing the galaxy for literally no reason, retroactively making Kenobi's hands bloodier than we'd like to admit

[@ideac.]

althought most episodes sucked i still hope they continue the last episode seems pretty interesting and if they keep doing that it would make the series 10x better

[@augustdruzgal475]

Don't worry, this completely boneheaded decision to leave Vader alive is counterbalanced by the inquisitors' even more ridiculous decision to leave Leia alone after the series ends instead of immediately taking her again to fish Kenobi out for a second time. Sure, Vader doesn't know about Leia, and Palpatine told him to stop pursuing Kenobi, but the inquisitors do, and it's their job to kill jedi. If you have no moral barriers to kidnapping children, like the inquisitors, and you could have a Jedi dead in just a couple days, why wouldn't you do it a second time? Maybe they don't do it immediately, I don't care. You can't tell me the inquisitors would wait any longer than a few days to kidnap Leia again, especially when all of them know that this would work because it worked so well for Reva the first time. You can be absolutely certain that they'd be all over this, given that they talked so often about being next in line to be the Grand Inquisitor. If you could walk up to Vader and say "yeah, I killed Kenobi", you'd probably become the Grand Inquisitor on the spot.

[@caiawlodarski5339]

It is totally in character though, Jedi don't kill beaten opponents.

[@ramboturkey1926]

@@caiawlodarski5339 yes its better to leave them without arms and legs on lava planet

[@DistantKingdom]

@@caiawlodarski5339 jedi kill tons of people, especially when it's necessary to do so, like saving others for example. kenobi did exactly that throughout the show

[@Richard_Nickerson]

"WHERE WERE YOU WHILE MY FRIENDS DIED!?" "Well, I was a general in an active intergalactic war, so... I was off-planet. Didn't the Younglings know this?" Seriously, why didn't Obi-Wan say literally *anything* logical in response to her at all?

[@Supreme_Jones]

@Ali Chaudhry because his vader when he betrayed him using all good intentions no malice so so darth sidious could not sense it stop s Defending this show Clown

[@dire213]

@Ali Chaudhry that is a fair question, if that was what reva asked. but no. don't defend the show by using your own headcanon that is not clearly mentioned in the show itself.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@Ali Chaudhry So, you've decided to dig far deeper than this show ever indicated that it did on its own, created your own interpretation below the surface of the question, and feel that it's justified? Even in your scenario, then my initial question still remains: why didn't Obi-Wan say literally anything in response at all? Why is it impossible for your headcanon that Vader isn't strong enough to mask his intentions in that moment? It was also clearly a last second decision, and the Emperor has shown basically every time he uses Force lightning that he can't just stop it and seems pretty distracted. Also, the one good thing TLJ did was show that even extremely powerful Dark Side users can be tricked by their apprentices: Kylo Ren killing Snoke instead of Rey? Vader clearly made a super quick decision at the last second, and the Emperor was clearly distracted by his love of lightning torture. Also, we're basically constantly told that Vader is even stronger than the Emperor, so... 🤷‍♂️ I don't think you've thought this through as much as you think you have.

[@SandManSadiq]

@@Richard_Nickerson No we are explicitly told the opposite. We are told that the Emperor is the strongest force user of his generation followed by Yoda. Anakin would’ve been stronger if he didn’t lose his limbs and have to be on constant life support.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@SandManSadiq Anakin is not of Palpatine's generation. He is the next generation. Palpatine being the strongest of his generation is entirely irrelevant.

[@talleywa5772]

And on a final note, pay close attention to when the voice modulates between Hayden and James specifically when he says "I am not your failure, *Obi-Wan"* it's such a jarring shift that it could be written off as an editing mistake. But throughout the series Vader has only ever referred to Kenobi as Obi-Wan, and Master when he has the advantage. But in this particular scene it is clearly Obi-Wan talking to Anakin. I think Anakin was going to say "I am not your failure, master." But Vader interjected at the last moment to deny Obi-Wan as much closure as possible.

[@moscanaveia]

@drttyu liqm This isn't about fan service, it's about doing the character justice. Fan service is Luke Deepfaker slicing a hallway of droids in an unearned climax to a more mediocre season of Mandalore. The second Vader x Kenobi showdown is a fucking masterpiece.

[@nickasaro8789]

I never noticed that before but that’s legit.

[@certifiedsaulcaller8992]

Starting to feel the same way about Star Wars that I do about marvel, it’s hard to care when so much mediocre content is pumped out.

[@ciaranlane8676]

star wars has been pumping out mid-tier content for longer than you've been alive

[@callmepsycho3132]

It has been that way since 1999

[@sunlitsonata6853]

It’s unfortunate to see Disney valuing running their acquired moneymaker licenses (Marvel and Lucasfilm) through a hundred TV shows of mid while continually compromising their original TV animation programming where the best quality exists and its creators can really show as individuals through it

[@masterdeetectiv9520]

@@callmepsycho3132 prequels are definitely not mediocre

[@Dieg0_616]

Marvel have doing a pretty solid work. The most recents projects like Moon Knight and Doctor Strange really holds up to me. Can't say the same for Star Wars

[@michaelangelo5964]

I liked the part when Darth Vader had the high ground and said “bet Obi didn’t see that Wan coming” then he proceeds to crush Kenobi with the rocks. Truly shows that Vader isn’t all doom and gloom he has personality under the suit. Disney knew what the fans wanted and delivered big time, easily one of the moments in all of Star Wars.

[@ninjanibba4259]

Yeah, setting up fake tension is what fans would want Whoop dee doo

[@The_Blue_Otaku]

In a earlyer version of the script Obi Wan and Darth Vader had the big duel at Vader's Castle on Mustafar mirroring the fight from Revenge of the Sith the only reason we didn't get that is because kathleen kennedy said "Fans would feel let down with seeing something we allready got" sounds like bull shit to me but i would have lost my metaphorical shit watching Obi Wan and Darth Vader have there rematch on Mustafar and would have been excited as hell watching the fight unfold

[@michaelangelo5964]

@@The_Blue_Otaku that sounds too good to be true, would’ve been really cool to see

[@krakenkrafted5122]

Bro this is gold 😂😂😂

[@parkerbettinson2797]

@@The_Blue_Otaku This is just one reason why Kathleen Kennedy needs to be replaced by Dave Filoni. Make it happen Disney

[@Zenn_Chan]

I remember SCREAMING at my TV when Bail made that message. I CANNOT believe that other people just let that slide, thank god someone said it.

[@spongebobsquarepants2981]

Ok

[@runeistaken]

This show is infact one of the shows of all time. The lightsabers ignite. The actors played their parts. And the writing, was in fact thought of. All in all, Obi-Wan Kenobi certainly exists. I give it a /10

[@Supreme_Jones]

@TheGoatOne who asked?

[@Wm7forthewin]

@@Supreme_Jones I asked

[@frydsaman6857]

band kid joke

[@Supreme_Jones]

@@Wm7forthewin Your fatherless

[@krugerofcause9048]

@@Supreme_Jones *You're

[@dillongeorge5866]

When Wade died, I literally looked towards my family and said sarcastically, “Oh no he died”

[@rowdy6274]

I watched the series and don't remember him. I just googled who the character was and still don't remember him

[@willster8759]

My coworker's name is Wade. We had a good laugh about that death scene after I watched that episode! Lol.

[@jacktait9849]

who is wade? I honestly dont know who you're talking about and I've seen the whole show

[@voxelbandit]

@@jacktait9849 Reva yeeted a battery at his ship when they were saving Leia in ep 4

[@willster8759]

@@jacktait9849 Wade was one of the random pilots who flew a snowspeeder in episode 4 of Kenobi. He gets blown out of the sky by Reva throwing an explosive device at him. The other pilot yelled something to the effect of, "Wade!!!" He was a side character that got maybe 30 seconds of screen time.

[@i_likemen5614]

The scene where Obi-Wan said "It's Obi time" was truly breathtaking, Truly a show

[@StopmotionSamurai]

This joke died harder than Wade.

[@bnd8469]

@@StopmotionSamurai Deadpool can die?

[@liamphibia]

Is "It's Morbin Time" really THAT Iconic to many people?

[@MorganEdgy]

@@liamphibia to whom isn't?

[@liamphibia]

@@MorganEdgy Sorry, I haven't checked that movie mostly because what a *negative reception* it is.

[@Yougotcaged102]

Is it really a coincidence that the best Star Wars stories that have come out of Disney so far have all NOT been directly connected to the Skywalker family? The Bad Batch, The Mandalorian, and Jedi Fallen Order. It's pretty clear that the writers just don't know how to make a cohesive story around the Skywalker family because their stories were already complete. But Disney is just too scared to step away from them because they are the characters the fans fell in love with. Hell, even the the things that don't directly require the Skywalker's involvement still have the Skywalker's in them at some point. JFO has the Vader scene at the end, Mando Season 2 has that Luke scene, which those are both amazing scenes, but it still proves that Disney just can't help but shoehorn the Skywalker's in. Anyways, sorry for the rant lol

[@moscanaveia]

Wow. JFO was Disney? Really? More like a studio subsidiary to Electronic Arts. Please. The Vader cameo at the end is perfect there, however. It shows neatly that, even after all he learned our big boy Cal is only a fruit fly in the food chain. It's also not shoehorned at all, Vader is ultimately the commander of the Inquisitors, and while hunting Cordova's holo-thing was Trilla's pet project, ultimately this is something Palpatine himself was thirsting for since thate Clone Wars arc centred around the same list of Force-sensitives. Vader's involvement was not at all unwarranted, especially as part of the climax. It is even foreshadowed by the Ninth Sister after her last fit of rage: You can't stop the Empire. Comparing it to Luke Deepfaker's unearned save of Din and his fellows who were neutered for the sake of fan service, is borderline sacrilegious to the excellent writing in JFO and the higher standard Mandalorian is capable of (as demonstrated by season one). To illustrate my point, in that Mandalorian season that is called Book of Boba Fett, writers undo the conclusion of Mandalorian S2 in a heartbeat.

[@anthonyhenriques7654]

nah bro that shit with Luke was fucking uncanny as fuck

[@bmcfonzie]

"the writers just don't know how to make a cohesive story around the Skywalker family because their stories were already complete." Bingo. They are profiting off fan nostalgia, but there is no creative reason to do it (and there never was). You don't pick up a finished book, scratch out "the end," and keep writing. You can only make the story worse that way. But they had all this money invested in purchasing Star Wars, so of course they weren't going to leave it alone. The result was inevitable.

[@gery8218]

Bro I'm sorry but Bad Batch was like sooooooo bad. Seriously. Glad you enjoyed it tho, sad that I couldn't.

[@JonP1245]

@@gery8218 yeah idk but it was pretty MID imo

[@kacpikachu5951]

I think the show would have been better as a sort of monster of the week/slice of life deal, where instead of having one overarching mission in saving Leia, we instead have Obi-Wan going about living and surviving on Tatooine, protecting Luke while also coming to terms with the fact that the world he knew is gone.

[@matthewmatthew981]

My take was gonna be a high-stakes heist adventure right after the credits roll on episode 3, where right before/after dropping Luke off at the Lars, Obi wan goes back into the galaxy to erase all traces of his former identity. That way, Vader and Kenobi could have a rematch, but it wouldn't break with established canon because Vader wouldn't know he was fighting Obi Wan (who would be in disguise.) You could even play it up with Obi Wan needing to ensure he escapes Vader without blowing his cover, and then we would get some actual stakes. (And of course, Obi-wan would be trying to erase his previous identity to make sure the Empire could never discover him and Luke on Tattooine.)

[@mitwhitgaming7722]

I loved the parallels between Obi-Wan and Ahsoka's fights with Vader. They both destroyed half his mask, revealing parts of Anakin underneath, but only Luke was able to remove the whole mask- and by choosing not to fight.

[@nerdyvids1]

Oh shit, that's actually a really neat running theme I didn't notice.

[@Deathpool_04]

When seeing Anakin’s face, Luke also saw something different from when the other two saw Anakin’s face. Ahsoka and Kenobi were met with seeing the anger, the evil, and vengeful from Anakin. Luke saw the happy, sad, and broken old man.

[@inanimatesum4945]

The real story behind the production problems of this series is that the project was roughly scrapped 4 times. Deborah Chow has expressed she wanted a more broody story following the character of Obi Wan. This isn't the project she had hoped for and the rumor is Kathleen Kennedy stepped in when the story seemed too grim for their Disney brand.

[@Windyyyyyyyyy]

Kennedy sucks

[@Quickpatch12]

that is the funny thing, George Lucas was not the best director, but he did let people do what they thought would fit and only really stepped in if it was too much. It was under him did we get the very dark origins of the Dark Troopers.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Wouldn't surprise me. Alex Hirsch's S&P saga on Twitter is a shining example of how Disney shoots its creators in the foot whenever they want to make something great. Maybe that's why Doctor Strange 2 ended up being so much more formulaic than people hoped for. I don't doubt that some great ideas went into that and were promptly ripped out by the Brand Managers.

[@ARC--5973]

KK: This is too dark for the brand. Also KK: You want Vader to snap a child's neck with no hesitation? Go for it

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

How Kathleen Kennedy still has any say in Star Wars after proving time and time again that she doesn't understand the IP at all is beyond me.

[@PhsycadelicHamster]

I laughed my ass off when the camera violently started shaking during the order 66 scene, the first blaster bolt came on screen, spooking the camera, leaving it shaking the rest of the scene

[@Akimbro_Blitz]

One of the things that really bothered me is how the lightsabers didn't act like lightsabers and more like bats, with Obi wan hitting the storm troopers when rescuing Leia (in episode 4) and instead of it cutting through the storm troopers, it just bounces off their armour. It really pulled me out of the action.

[@moscanaveia]

Since the Sequels introduced the plastic lightsaber resistant bat and shield, they've been declining in quality.

[@jacktait9849]

same

[@captaincrystal3705]

So when obi wan has that people are like “booooo makes no sense” but then when madalorion(sorry if I spelt it wrong)literally gets hit by the dark saber and it doesn’t cut through(I think it was in the last episode)people are fine with it?

[@thatguyintherain3168]

@@captaincrystal3705 he has beskar tho

[@skeletonwar4445]

@@captaincrystal3705 You forget that the Mandalorian has an armor made of one of the, if not *the* most prestigious, rare and exceptionally strong metal in the known galaxy. Stormtroopers have... cheap, mass-produced lightweight armor that's mostly intended to deflect weak blaster shots from rebels.

[@joeiorio9654]

One small detail I love about the show is that the Imperial March only plays when Vader confirms he has no more sympathy left for Obi Wan. It’s really cool shit

[@Milothemighty10]

Shoot I never noticed that thanks

[@SpeakerTerenus]

Yeah, it's too bad it took ruining both Vader and Obi wan's characters to get there. Not to mention what they did to Leia.... Christ, this show was awful.

[@cadeautismproud5495]

Hey! I know you from Twitter!

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@SpeakerTerenus they don’t ruin obiwan or Vader lol.

[@StarMarine1084]

@@SpeakerTerenus The show did a lot of bad stuff, Vader, Obi-Wan and Leia ain't one of them.

[@jvbrod]

The lack of flashbacks to the Clone Wars era was infuriating. Honestly I felt I received less Obi-Wan in the Obi-Wan series than I did in Episode II and III.

[@SirParanoidAndroid]

Dude what are you talking about, most of Episode II is about Obi-Wan investigating, hell, Anakin's romance is the subplot of the episode

[@Soccercrazyigboman]

Yep. Disney has tried as hard as they can to not show or reference the prequels

[@racool911]

@@Soccercrazyigboman Didn't they have a whole prequel recap in the beginning of the show? Plus plenty of references to those movies.

[@racool911]

They had flashbacks when it was necessary, it would be pointless to have too many flashbacks especially when it's assumed you watched all of the preceding stuff already.

[@Soccercrazyigboman]

@@racool911 the had a recap because they had to have a recap. We're not talking about a recap or verbal references. We're talking about showing shit that happened during the prequel era. And my comment is also to address entirety of Disney Star Wars. Everything from movies to games. It's all about empire era stuff. Storm troopers and tie fighters.

[@glackinator_0459]

I really didn’t like that they gave Reva a redemption arc. I’m so tired of the whole “I’m not bad anymore, so that makes everything I did okay!” And the fact that she does SO MUCH bad stuff, and dialogue that roots her motivation to make it unchanging, establishing her as a real villain, just adds even less sense to her realizing “damn, I shouldn’t kill this kid, I should stop being bad ig” like… you’ve already killed kids… you’ve already done SO MUCH WORSE. It felt so forced for fake tension because you KNOW Luke can’t die, so ofc she wasn’t going to kill him. I just wish the reason for it was better than what they gave. She should’ve been killed by either Obi Wan or Vader, hell, maybe even Owen. Keep your villain villainous, not redeemable, evil. It’s getting tired and predictable

[@Pythonfan3]

The scene where she heroically returns carrying Luke is ridiculous. She didn't rescue him, she tried to murder him for no reason and then decided not to. Nothing heroic about that.

[@dyhall]

It’s sad to see, because Star Wars already has probably the greatest irredeemable, fully evil villain of all time in Palpatine. They’ve proven that it works in this universe. I think more writers need to understand that having a tragic backstory doesn’t give a villain a free pass to redemption. Most villains are enhanced by having understandable, deep backstories that make you feel for them. It adds even more depth when you don’t go the predictable route, and you instead keep that villain evil. Them being redeemABLE does not mean they need to be redeemed. I think they did it pretty well with Maul. He had a very tragic backstory, being stolen from his home and essentially tortured by a psychopath his whole life until he was turned into a ruthless killer. But he never turned away from the dark- he was evil, he knew that, and he accepted it. When he died, he didn’t get redeemed, but he still had a powerful moment of peace with his greatest enemy. An acknowledgment that, if things had gone differently, they could’ve been friends. An acknowledgment that neither of them were the greatest villain in each other’s story. That should have been the direction they went with Reva’s death.

[@shavagreycastle]

Hey, remember that one time they spent the first third of the arc establishing this character and their motivations, the second third questioning those motivations and ultimately succumbing to their base desires, and the last slowly realizing it was never worth it and defecting and spending half of that third making up for his mistakes and EARNING that redemption? Yeah, they don't do it like Zuko anymore.

[@romram7984]

Thats just Disney in general, they do the same with marvel villains and it's disappointing. I'm expecting an episode of star wars where Darth Vader turns to the light before episode 6 at this point or Palpatine being a good guy

[@SciFiGuru]

@@Pythonfan3 This comment confuses me. Heroically? She's just carrying him. Back to safety. Should she just have left Luke in the desert?

[@baddest_boye]

Rest in Peace Wade. By far the best character in the entirety of Star Wars. Couldn't believe they did my boy like that.

[@goldenhorse4823]

Personaly Reva being a villian spirriling down into insanity could have been much more powrful. If you made her power hungy and wanting to just kill Vader and not Obi Wan could have been a great showing of why Empire failed. They did not have a common goal, they just want power and are ready to kill eachother for ranks.

[@JITCompilation]

They could’ve taken her the Azula from ATLA/Jinx from Arcane route. Just a person so broken from their trauma that they’ve found comfort and joy in terrible violence. That way, we as the audience feel more sorry for them than angry at them when they commit terrible acts. Honestly though, the more I think about it, the more I realize they could’ve taken her in pretty much ANY other direction (and given her a bit more screen time) and she would’ve been a much stronger character.

[@user-lh7pl2fu9c]

It would be so cool if she was like an antagonist to both the Empire and the Jedi. A villain above all villains. A supervillain, if you will.

[@Borderose]

People knew she was getting a redemption arc as soon as they saw her.

[@MoodKapProductions]

My problem with her acting wise is whenever she has to raise her voice. Gave me Hux flashbacks although both can just be the direction. Also not a fan of her motivation

[@c.w.simpsonproductions1230]

I'll always have the fond memories of being at the red carpet premier at Celebration 2022, and watching the first two episodes on a gigantic screen with 10,000 other Star Wars fans. An experience like none other. Ewan and Hayden completely stole the show every time they were on stage together.

[@aldohaimar4382]

Lucky. I wish I could experience something like that

[@Del-Dokan]

That's so great, man! I'm glad you got to experience that. I was soooo close to going this year, but ultimately I couldn't.

[@Rosa-kd2cl]

The fuck’s with all these bots?

[@shelbydog0911]

I was honestly hoping to see more of obiwan’s personal life not really him on a mission. I was hoping to see him training in the force and maybe some of his hardship and finding meaning in life without the Jedi

[@C0C0L0QUIN]

The relation with Leia also serves to justify Leia's reliance on Obi-Wan in a new hope beyond "papa told me he is a good guy". Now that message of Leia saying that he is the last hope of the rebellion feels much more personal because he is her actual childhood hero.

[@tevenpowell8023]

Except she starts that message with "You served my father in the Clone Wars" Which is a really strange and impersonal way to address someone who you were close to

[@wobblywack5531]

@@tevenpowell8023 Yeah wouldn't she say something more connected, but its iffy

[@TheTendermen]

@@wobblywack5531 "Hey Ben, its me Leia, you rescued me as a child, anyway, my father wants your help with..."

[@schroederscurrentevents3844]

@@tevenpowell8023 that’s a huge problem with this stuff, it’s all completely made up and circumvents what came before

[@g.d.graham2446]

Fair

[@TheZeroNeonix]

I actually enjoyed the acting in this show. Everyone seemed to give it their all. But the writing just...didn't help them. The writers did not care. Owen is such a talented actor. I thought the actress who played Leia was good too. Kid actors have a tendency to be annoying or unconvincing, but I think she did a good job. Reva's plot had potential, but the writers didn't bother to make any of the plot in the show the least bit coherent, so I can't help but cringe hearing her character is getting a spinoff.

[@scalez3842]

Deadass with the Reva show? God I'm so sick of Disney shoving pre-existing characters aside to shoehorn in bland, obligatory-feeling girlbosses in every damn star wars thing they make

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

Don’t forget the Grand Inquisitor. In my opinion, he should have been doing the cat and mouse with Ben, not Reva.

[@guidoguido2245]

She WHAT?!

[@osohe457]

@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 yup. biggest disappointment of the series how they hyped up the gi in trailers and did fuck all with him in the actual series

[@scalez3842]

@Sophie Amanda Leiton Toomey My thoughts EXACTLY. Sucks extra balls for me as the president and sole member of the Grand Inquisitor Fanclub (tm) to see them do him this dirty

[@loryl]

I personally couldn’t get over the sheer lack of suspense in Kenobi. Yes, we know that Ben, Vader and all major characters lives for episode 4, but this is what really let it down. There was never an authentic feeling of threat which is fine - but add these stories to the new characters and make them compelling and mysterious! Reva and Tala were so let down and I think they could have been so much more interesting if written better :(

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

My Mom and I joked through the entire show "I wonder what will happen with [insert character]."

[@niconoodles6989]

You could say that about most prequels. We knew obiwan, anakin, and yoda couldnt die in the prequel trilogy. We knew anakin would fall and become vader. That doesnt inherently make it less suspenseful

[@niconoodles6989]

That said the obiwan show does lack suspense in several areas but thats because of the writing not because we know the characters wont die

[@timheinrich3752]

"I'm just quietly going to accept the oversaturation and rushed mediocrity and move on with my life" that minirant described me to a T. Thank God for the new Top Gun being as good as it was, one of the few things in TV/Film that has actually made me excited about something.

[@moscanaveia]

Gotta ask, when were you last excited about something that was genuinely new, and not a callback/remake of something from a bygone era? Modern media will not be long for this world if all we can come up with is repeated issues of old titles

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@moscanaveia I mean SW has been going on since the 70s lol

[@Nnubbs]

This should have 100% been a show to open the audience up to kenobi’s development. Also it created countless plot holes.

[@daseal1479]

I also like how the two people he was closest to "besides Padme" that fought Vader tore off a different side of his mask. Like Kenobi and Ahsoka are different parts of Anakin, deep down they are still there, even as Vader. And are tearing away that darkness, revealing the person that was once there, that they cared deeply for. Now THAT'S poetry, or I'm just looking too deeply into it, lol.

[@techpriest4347]

And who was the only one to fully remove it? That's right, Luke

[@florianfischer376]

Yeah could be the writers idea but I'm more convinced they were just lazy. There are a lot of scenes and reused material that I feel are just bland copying.

[@owyemen9367]

@@florianfischer376 it was so good were convinced it was on accident lmao

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

@@techpriest4347 And when Luke removed it Vader's eyes were blue instead of yellow.

[@ollie1]

I'm so glad someone has talked about the shaky camera, genuinely made episode five incredible confusing and somewhat difficult to watch. I feel like the directing didn't benefit the lightsaber fights too. All I wanted from the lightsaber fights was a solid non-shaky camera to focus on it, but instead, we got mini clips of the fight that was edited together. I really enjoyed the show, but things like this really annoyed me.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Ugh. Shaky cam is physically revolting to me. As in, I can't see shit without it nauseating me.

[@thehumanoddity]

The shaky cam ruined the fight between Kenobi and Vader for me. Half of the time I couldn't even tell what was happening, and sometimes the camera would be entirely out of focus of the action. I wish this dumb philosophy of shoving the shaky cam into action scenes for "realism" would end. Star Wars isn't the first to make this same mistake, and it certainly will not be the last.

[@DS-nh2yf]

Ahhh Reva, the kind of character who will scream and charge behind your back before an attempted assassination. Whatever will we do without you.

[@berengustav7714]

"Sokka,it's not a sneak attack if you yell."

[@willmanabregu]

I'm beginning to realize the real problem behind some of the Star Wars products is trying to fit them in its established canon when created. I mean, can you believe the incredible story of redemption, revenge and loss we could have had if the characters weren't tied to their already known destinies?

[@zachanikwano]

All hail KOTOR Nah but really I remember raising my brows at when the old Legends canon tried to do the same thing. Secret Jedi and sith left right and center. Just chilling comfortably outside the canon. Yeah Luke met a bunch of force sensitives, he just never mentions it on camera, trust us bro. I mean heck when Ahsoka was introduced, I instantly loved her but really didn’t believe they’d ever fit her seamlessly into the narrative given how close she is to the main characters…. yet somehow isn’t mentioned or alluded to once (given she hadn’t even been an idea during the prequels).

[@PaulFJarnes]

I liked the part when Wade said "It's wadin' time" and killed Darth Vader. One of the shows of all time

[@TheRibottoStudios]

I'm forever going to be salty about the fact that Andrew Stanton COULD have been who wrote the show FROM THE JUMP vs just episodes 5 and 6. Like why not just have him on FROM the get go Disney? You know his roster. He helped write a LOT of really iconic and memorable, and good Pixar movies, including as far back as Toy Story. Meanwhile Harold has little to no experience. And characters as nuanced as Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi DO NOT belong in the hands of someone with cursory knowledge of Star Wars....yet that is exactly what happened. And this is the result. And if you like the result that's fine. If you don't that's fine too. A true fan of SW, will let people air our their opinions, and not say "you're not a fan you're a hater" if they have an opinion that differs from yours. If you're going to brush off those of us who wanted something deeper with "well Star Wars is never meant to be deep" you need to go back and rewatch The Mandalorian, Rebels, Rogue One, Clone Wars, the prequels, The Force Awakens (a lot of people agree that it had a LOT of potential even the characters), and the original trilogy. We have gotten better SW content. So the consistency should be there; it's there with Marvel. A few duds sure, but in their roster, it's mostly wins. To see so many go "it's just silly space adventures" is just a tad concerning. Because that's how Disney is seeing Star Wars too. When all of us know, it can be something much more meaningful. When it HAS been much more meaningful. I hope things can get better. For everyone. Because we deserve it. Especially the ones who are just seeing this amazing galaxy far far away for the first time. edit - well phase 4 is kinda rocky and Love and Thunder is an L so maybe MCU isn't as consistent as I thought lol

[@chileanyways196]

Exactly

[@MrRrusiii]

It's so easy to do. Disney has all the components to deliver, they're just too lazy to assemble it. Disney does not write good stories, none of the people they hire are talented - let alone posessing the genius that is necessary to carry on the legacy of George Lucas and the team of other geniuses involved in the making of the OT and PT. Star Wars has always had deep meaning, it's supposed to be mythology. But something like the Lucas movies can only come from a time when pioneers existed in screenwriting, practical effects, sound design. When they were allowed to exist, and allowed to thrive. It could only exist at a time when you had fascinating old actors to bring on in roles that deliver iconic, small things like Sebastian Shaw's BEAUTIFUL performance as Vader at the end of ROTJ. I don't think it can be done in this country, with these legacy companies full of trust fund babies, nepotism hires and insipid yes-men. For all the things Feloni has done, he hasn't done them because he's particularly talented - he just tries to deliver when no one else cares. I think Deborah Chow comes closer to understanding what needs to be done in these projects, but in this series, she dropped the ball on the basics. Bad shots, bad sets, bad music, and a script that had zero business making it through to a final cut. Now, I'd prefer that to someone who might be better at those things but have zero idea how to make Star Wars work (JJ and Rian), but this is an IP that Disney cannot afford to lose to a slow death. I don't know what Disney's relationship with Joseph Kosinski is like, but he and Gore Verbinski are the only decent live action producers Disney could tap. Maybe Taika Watiti can do it, but he only a chance if Disney lets him do it. Disney needs to fire Patty Jenkins, shelf her project just so it doesn't do to Taika's what Solo did to the film that Kenobi should have been.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

@@MrRrusiii Taika is said to be directing some Mandalorian S3 episodes, and he IS directing a new Star Wars movie. So clearly, Disney sees his talent with Marvel and said "hey what can you do with SW?" which that's great, but AGAIN SW isn't just silly space adventures and it's VERY different from Thor. The fact that Taika wants to step away from the Skywalker Saga is comforting, but I really would like to see some more content from that era. Shadow of the Sith was incredible, and I love how it ties things together for the ST. Seeing Anakin in full form even as a ghost is great. Maybe the future could be in books? Who knows. But I'm kind of cautiously optimistic.

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@TheRibottoStudios I want a GOOD take on Knights of the Old Republic. Seriously. Maybe some kind of Revan prequel that doesn't bastardize his character the way the cut Revan reference in one of the recent shows would have. I dunno. It's just a very interesting period of the lore, and people who already love Mando would enjoy the Mandalorian Wars being a big thing. They did reference Rakata Prime recently... I just figure they wouldn't be able to do it justice, but if they could, that would make a neat long form TV show or something. The games are structured in such a way that you could easily carve up a season into several planets' worth of action...

[@danielanderson6933]

Technically Rebels and Clone Wars had some of the most goofy and cringe moments. Episodes 1-4 of Kenobi felt like 4 goofy live action Clone Wars episodes. It's like Clone Wars final season, the first two arcs with the Bad Batch and Martez Sisters is really and goofy but then in last 4 episodes with the Mandalore arc it's intense and heartbreaking. That's how I felt with this series.

[@WiloPolis03]

I used to roll my eyes at *"Star Wars fatigue"* or *"MCU fatigue"* but by now I kinda get it

[@moscanaveia]

It's funny, because I never really gave a rat's ass about Thor, Captain Pig or Iron Asshole, but I kind of like Wanda and Dr Strange a lot better

[@Drekulviin]

18:29 and how Obi Wan was able to prevent his own hair from burning using the force.

[@Vilgax00]

He is like Johny Bravo. His hair is indestructible.

[@diogograca5194]

The soundtrack is also a big reason why this show is disappointing. Natalie Holt did an amazing job in "Loki" and here, it's barely noticeable. Also, not including major themes like the Imperial March, Anakin's Dark Deeds, Anakin's Betrayal or even the Immolation scene were some really bad choices on Lucasfilm part. Considering the entirety of Rise of Skywalker consists of previous tracks with no rhyme or reason, I don't see why they couldn't have done it here.

[@Deathpool_04]

Maybe it was the way the music was used? I did hear the soundtrack for the show when it came out and it’s fine but yes, not on the level of John Williams or anything.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@its Time Spammer

[@moscanaveia]

OST for Rise of Skywalker was written by John Williams. They wanted an original score by another artist. To say "she should've just used William's score" is... weird. I get criticising her work on Kenobi, I also thought it was quite underwhelming, which is not usual for SW

[@tuvyamaeir4684]

Reva was the character they wanted to write about, that's why she got so much focus even when it was a detriment to the story they were selling: the story of Kenobi and Leia. Ignore for a moment the horrible writing and directing that led to Ingram's below-par performance. This could have been two separate shows set at two very different times, or Reva could have been a legit villain rather than that nonsense they pulled in the final episode. Hell...split the show in two, have the Grand Inquisitor be the big villain of the Kenobi series with Vader looming behind him, set up Reva as a legitimately evil subordinate who is forced to question things but never fully redeemed., and then have HER story be a separate miniseries that takes place right after the Battle of Endor. Or save her redemption for an encounter in the Ahsoka series as both she and Phoenix Squadron hated the Grand Inquisitor. Her backstory is revealed then and only then, and her return to the light is earned fighting Thrawn and saving Ezra or whatever the plot of that show is going to be. ALL of this would be more satisfying than what we got...but their priorities were on rushing Reva out as a character in the spotlight before anyone got the chance to like her, which was derailed by her being made so unlikeable by the script and direction. And then keeping her alive was to allow more merchandising off of her in follow-up stories. Counting their younglings before they get slaughtered, as it were.

[@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou.]

Plus, I heard somewhere that she was *supposed to die* in the original script.

[@neoknight9180]

Not really, it's just that Kathleen Kennedy got her hands on Deborah Chows work and it went down from there

[@USMC49er]

They did that already, it is called "Jedi Fallen Order"

[@andrewhill203]

Hang in there SW fans. Fantastic and oh-so-true news for entertainment industry: “The sewer-pipe that is hollywoood and the wider entertainment industry in general is dying on it’s arse. Despite the market being completely saturated with CRT (critical race theory) propaganda, “lgbt” social engineering, and forced "diversity" casting, what’s the biggest movie of the year? Top Gun: Maverick. The first blockbuster in what felt like forever that didn’t pander to any of that shite. It just cracked one billion dollars box office worldwide. A movie - and get this for a novel concept - a movie that didn’t seek to shove a political ideology down your throat, and actually sought above all else… to entertain the audience? Shocking, I know!” (Paul Joseph Watson - 1 July, 2022)

[@Jeicemeiser]

I had to give an upvote for the “counting their younglings before they get slaughtered” line 🤣

[@RoxasRamirez]

I honestly can't agree more with your thoughts. They're nearly the same as mine. Also, love the Kingdom Hearts "Destati" track playing in the background when speaking about Vader ♥️

[@geronimo7360]

As a series it fell flat for me, but watching the feature cut that someone made of the kenobi series made it so much better. The uninterrupted nature of the edit really made it feel like a complete story starting with Obi-Wan's fear and hesitation then ending on his path to acceptance is such a satisfying story arc to witness.

[@ryuzakithecrux9652]

I'm glad SOMEONE said something about the hologram message, such an incredibly hamfisted way to get Reva to Tattoine that it made me roll my eyes.

[@tevenpowell8023]

Has anyone figured out WHY she went to kill Luke after seeing that? Was it to get back at Obi-Wan? But they were kinda on the same side at that point, right? Was it to get back at Vader? How would she even know Luke was connected to Vader? Her decision to spare Luke is kinda deflated if we don't know why she was after him in the first place.

[@patrik1214]

The cinematographer was Chung Chung-hoon. He did Oldboy. Yes the good Oldboy. And he did Last Night in Soho. He's a fricking legend and get's wasted so bad in this show.

[@eageltheYTman]

F

[@JohnDoe-gt3jr]

I feel like this could've worked if they did it like El Camino did with Jesse, provides some flashbacks, deepen the character's struggles and ultimately come to a peaceful resolution for the main character.

[@TheJackhawk]

I kinda forgot about the Qui Gon scene tbh, and this made me remember that in their recap they went out of their way to point out the RotS scene where Yoda told Obi Wan to contact Qui Gon. Having him show up after Obi Wan was buried by Vader would've been a great opportunity to forward the plot and develop Obi Wan's character, and it would have allowed for the show to end on an Obi Wan "Hello There" which would have been perfect lol. Instead it was just like oh, hey Liam Neeson.

[@moscanaveia]

I think it was perfect as is. This is Obi-wan's arc. He couldn't commune with Qui-gon because of the trauma he experienced at the end of the Clone Wars (and that's why he also sucks and fumbles a lot with his laser sword - intentional jab - at the beginning of the show), and him only really being able to reconnect fully with the Force by coming to terms with his past was a very nice touch for his character. Having Qui-boi show up and fish him out of trouble would cheat that moment out of him. If you ask me, we have seen too few Jedi ascension moments. We never see Obi-wan transcend his failings and truly earning the title of Jedi Master. Until now.

[@Banana_Peel]

I think it would’ve been better if James Earl Jones said “I did,” in the final episode, to show that Anakin was gone and only Vader remains. Nonetheless, it was cool seeing Hayden again as Vader.

[@spacecowboy3569]

They actually had the Vader VA say it in the LATAM dub, that was awesome

[@jovan.fitilj8491]

It wasn't James Earl Jones doing the voice. It was a speech program.

[@soggusboggus4386]

@beyond your imagination when the bot comment also comments a real comment:

[@themegjake4000]

But Anakin was never completely gone…….

[@thekiss2083]

That would have been too on-the-nose and robbed Hayden of getting to deliver his character's most important line.

[@billcipher147]

One thing I noticed about the Hayden flashbacks was that they did a weirdly bad job de-aging him. Like, everything in this show has such a high production quality, but in these flashbacks you could tell that the dude was 20 years older without even looking too hard. Obviously not Hayden's fault, just felt like a weirdly obvious oversight to me.

[@graceross4888]

they did not de-age him, i guess it was a stylistic choice to keep the facial performance

[@MegaRay220]

The whole show honestly feels like it has a low production value. Them not de-aging him is just one of the more egregious examples

[@Santana7506]

I was honestly shocked that they didn’t de-age him at all. And it’s pretty easy to to notice it, even if you don’t know what Hayden actually looks like nowadays

[@pewpewplasma3793]

There’s several points throughout the show where the CGI is *really* questionable and the sets look like… well sets. A lot of episode 5 feels like it’s on a stage rather than a hidden base in the middle of nowhere

[@sarahni]

The fact it's contrasted with Ewan who looked the same was also pretty jarring

[@rattiom]

Obi-Wan was the definition of mediocre imo, it wasn't completely abysmal but I question the sanity of anybody who unironically thinks this was a great show

[@pikathemimikyu6655]

It wasn't the best, but I'm going to be honest, I didn't have high hopes going in. It was a lot better than I was expecting. I think my INCREDIBLY low expectations going in made me like it even more than most people.

[@ariqarisya]

14:39 the part where we talk about Wade Sahnk kyou

[@MuchAdoAboutADD]

The assumption I got regarding Reva's resentment of Obi-Wan was because he was Anakin's master. It's like when people look at young people who go off and commit really horrendous crimes, and they ask, "Where were the parents? Why didn't they stop this?" We as a society tend to assign partial blame for the crimes to the parents and their assumed failure, even when the person who committed the crime is technically an adult who's responsible for their own actions.

[@Del-Dokan]

That's an interesting way of looking at it; but I still feel the conflict between Obi-Wan and Reva was shoehorned in for no reason.

[@thomasbailey921]

the problem is that the show never expanded on that. fan theories are great and all, but they cant save broken stories because they arent canon.

@@thomasbailey921 it's not fan theory it's just logic really. Reva blames Obi Wan for failing Anakin and losing him to the dark side, which lead to her friends dying

[@thomasbailey921]

@ but again, this is never articulated or even implied in the show, so it's no more than just a fan theory.

[@TheOriginalPoon]

And Obi Wan going to Utapau to kill Grievous was the catalyst for Order 66; Palpatine had to separate him from Anakin and so then leaked the info of where the general of the war is at. The Council pounced on it, and it was a secret mission that culminated into a big battle. Remember, Obi Wan went there first, alone without Cody or the 212th. He was set to engage Grievous alone in an assassination mission and then the battle was to distract his forces. Reva as a youngling wouldn’t have ANY idea about ANY of this, she just knew Obi Wan was always with Anakin and they were very close

[@TheRealChristopherB]

Kenobi, to me, feels like a show full of amazing moments and amazing performances. It's just that to get to some of those parts, you kinda have to sacrifice logical and cohesive side of things. For example, Reva getting closure is an awesome moment for her character and true to her arc but you have to jump through all of these logical leaps to get there. So many contrivances to get her to that point. After Episode 4, I learned to live with the directing and writing quirks and to just enjoy the excellent acting and great scenes that it had to offer. It's not amazing but it's not downright awful. It was a fun ride, but it definitely had it's bumps

[@damiantirado9616]

I honestly think it’s pretty fucking bad. So far the worst Star Wars show. I haven’t seen Boba fett.

[@PhilosophiceRetardari]

@@damiantirado9616 It is, it really is the worst one after Boba Fett.

[@AccurateThings]

@@damiantirado9616 Book of Boba Fett was insultingly bad, Obi Wan is just super mid.

[@damiantirado9616]

@@AccurateThings bro Obi wan looks like the cheapest shit ever. I’ve seen fan films with better effects and designs. You guys only liked obi wan for the prequels nostalgia.

[@AccurateThings]

@@damiantirado9616 no, the show looks butt ass like the snowspeeder scene and I never once stated I liked it, it was just peak mid. It had way better moments than book of trash, but fan service was just obnoxious and some parts of the story were really sloppy.

[@gandhithegreat328]

My entire view of Star Wars just got turned on it’s head. I always thought of Obi-Wan as Anakin’s Father figure. Like the guy who raised him but I’m only now realizing they really were brothers. Qui-Gon was Anakin’s real Father figure. He saved him from slavery and brought him to the Jedi Order and fought for him to be trained as a Jedi. And it was only because it was Qui Gin’s dying wish that Anakin he trained that the dogmatic Jedi Council allowed it. Without Qui Gon Anakin would not have been trained as a Jedi and the Jedi literally would have just thrown him back into slavery without a second thought. But with Qui Gon dead the young Obi-Wan must fill a role that he is not prepared for. Literally the day after he becomes a Jedi Knight he must now raise his younger Brother as his own. It makes that line “You were my Brother Anakin, I loved you.” Even more powerful and makes Obi-Wan Luke’s Uncle rather than Grandfather. This also give’s Luke a real juxtaposition between his two Uncle’s with Uncle Owen not wanting him to get involved in the war and ignore the Empire while Uncle Obi-Wan wants him to fulfill his destiny and take his Father’s light saber as his own. Anyway my entire view of Star Wars just got flipped on its head and I just wanted to share that

[@soil80]

Your use of the Tamatoa stills is brilliant, I love it so much!

[@vsf_dave811]

It seems very apparent that this project was intended to be a movie and Disney forced the issue of making it a 6-episode series to fit their content model. Episode 1-4 were stretched so thin for content it was comical, and all of the actual meat of the story was reserved for 5 & 6. Also, what the hell was the cinematography of this show? The shaky cam drove me insane. Watching this show was like trying to make conversation with someone who refuses to make eye contact with you. Just establish your shot and film it! Use lighting and color to make it visually interesting! This entire show felt like a muddled gray/brown sludge visually. I was actually really excited for Deborah Chow to direct this show considering her past work, and I’m not sure if it’s on her or the constraints Disney gave her, but the show is visually terrible and does not feel like a Star Wars project at all.

[@bichengan]

Chung chung-hoon is the cinematographer for this show. He also did the cinematography for Uncharted and It. I looked up his filmography on Wikipedia.

[@rosalineprior670]

I completely missed Wade as a character so when they were referencing his death I was so confused. Had to confirm with my fiancé that he wasn’t in any other Star Wars media. I called him Tim and made fun of it for the rest of the show

[@masterdeetectiv9520]

Rip tim

[@There_Will_Be_Goals]

Great video! You nailed exactly how I also felt and your thoughts on this show, both the good and bad, were presented perfectly.

[@jakobrenner2230]

10:34 Laughs in Lord Simus (A Sith Lord from Legends that’s literally a head in a jar, lol)

[@artydomi2466]

All of these Disney Plus shows to me feel like they come off an assembly line even more so than other properties and media. Little fanfare, here for six weeks, and then gone as the collective internet moves onto the next thing.

[@zachtemoro2116]

This show also failed to establish how the heck Reva’s plans would have ever been able to have worked. Somehow and for some reason the archives listed that Kenobi has a connection with the Organa’s, and dating 10 years after Order 66 and the fall of the Jedi, her plan literally requires Obi Wan to live, for Bail Organa to not send an army of people to search for Leia, for him to specifically contact Kenobi, and that finding Kenobi would promote her to Grand Inquisitor over the actual Grand Inquisitor. Being cunning and resourceful is all well and good (if you can call this plan smart), but the Grand Inquisitor is also Cunning and Resourceful. Reva is literally listed as the weakest Inquisitor by ALL of her peers. Her plan isn’t a plan, its loosely strung up ideas that need an entire handful of coincidences to line up and happen perfectly, only to get slightly closer to Vader … despite already being an Inquisitor. Despite knowing Vader and Obi Wan live, she would have never been strong enough to have ever taken on a two of the strongest Jedi/Force Sensitives to have ever lived

[@themegjake4000]

Tbf plans that need a bunch of specific things to go right aren’t new to Star Wars. That’s palpys whole thing

[@zachtemoro2116]

@@themegjake4000 contingencies are way different than your main plan. Order 66 could have been ordered at any single point in time, but he wanted to get Anakin onto his side. Comparing his delicately laid out strategy to Reva is laughable

[@themegjake4000]

@@zachtemoro2116 it literally relied on having jar jar binks be a stand in senator

[@zachtemoro2116]

@@themegjake4000 it was a matter of how clean the transition was, not how it happened. By the time Jar Jar became a stand in senator, there were Thousands of Clones at his command. The inhibitor chips made it so he would never have lost, especially with the Jedi Order’s pride and arrogance. Jedi Masters were killed by standard clones, the entire council besides Yoda, Kenobi, and Windu were disposed of by them and Palpatine. At the very least, his plan would break even if it fell through, and it didn’t solely rely on any one factor like Reva’s at all. If Kenobi wasn’t alive or if Bail never contacted him, she would have been disposed of by the Grand Inquisitor who was already pissed at her being insubordinate and kidnapping Leia. Thats a way bigger difference than Darth Jar Jar having political say

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@themegjake4000 This is Last Jedi level contrivance, which is a degree above usual.

[@gabrielfrost1582]

I love that the three houses music is playing over your clone wars explanation perfect !

[@willthomas2225]

Your videos should really get more attention. You have been a golden nugget for my brain these past few years. Every time I see a new video of yours I jump at it.

[@calvinboucher5741]

I think the big issue is that Disney is relying way too heavily on nostalgia with Star Wars especially. Kenobi was pretty good but honestly I just want them to do something new. The reason Mando season 1 was so good is because we got to get to know a new character. It’s so ironic that they’ve been making Star Wars characters say stuff about letting the past go and then they just keep tapping the nostalgia well dry. Let’s just hope Andor and Mando season 3 are good.

[@jamiesadf5829]

This is my issue with Disney Star Wars. They so desperately want to cash in on nostalgia, but star wars is already fleshed out, and there isnt room for these fill in the gap stories about OT characters. Not to mention, they arent INTERESTING stories, and can't be because of avoiding ruining canon. We need more things like mando honestly. Not in the way were its a star wars western, because boba tried and failed at that. Just new characters, new stories.

[@Deathpool_04]

I’m fine with both. This show would’ve been perfect for the nostalgia stuff since it’s everyone struggling with the past but yes, we do need something new.

[@GrapeCheckerBoard]

I think Disney is tiptoeing around the sequel era. They haven’t decanonized it and they also haven’t utilized it since the end of Star Wars: Resistance. Tattooine (and the rest of the Outer Rim, Disney) is largely removed from galactic politics, so post-ROTJ projects can pretend that the elements that lead to the sequels don’t exist.

[@evanellis9178]

@@GrapeCheckerBoard Id like to see more sequel era or old/high republic content. This is a bit more of a personal stance but I think OT era has done what it needs, and outside a couple characters I find the setting kinda sparce and boring

[@Bjionin]

It must be how carelessly incompetant their leads are. They seem to have greenlight everything the writers had a forced idea of in the first 10 minutes of a storybuild meeting and went with it. And its worse that they will get different directors in between episodes of these shows.

[@FancyManThe4th]

What’s sad about Star Wars nowadays for me is that, before the buyout, everything was made based of passion. The OT and prequels were made out of passion, and clone wars was made to show that passion by realizing George’s vision. Nowadays, there still is passion, but it’s no longer the driving force of the franchise, at least for the mouse. George never cared about reviews when it came to the clone wars series, giving it an above average budget and letting Dave and his team fix their mistakes and improve characters without him having to butt in, he was only there for consultation. And now, as shown with their recent shows, the mouse has no passion for Star Wars, their passion is on the revenue it makes.

[@reek4062]

Money has always been the driving force of Star Wars, also before Disney took over.

[@Marcelelias11]

@@reek4062 If this was true, Attack of the Clones wouldn't be a thing. That movie sucked so hard, even I can't defend it, and I'm a firm defender of the prequels.

[@DrPOP-jp7eb]

I think this is whitewashing pre-Disney Star Wars. It has been about money and merchandise from the very start, but definitely from ROTJ onwards. The Prequels had at least as bad writing and production as this series. It's nostalgic, and has a lot of material for other movies and series, but it was a turd before as well.

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@DrPOP-jp7eb That's the thing though. The prequels weren't bad due to a lack of effort. Those movies are almost obsessively detailed. I mean, you only have to watch the first minutes on Tatooine in Episode 1 to know everyone who worked on it put an astronomical amount of effort in to have substance. I don't know what you mean specifically by bad production, but the production values in specific are sky-high - if anything, it's just too clean, but that's probably an aesthetic choice driven by retro sci-fi. The prequels flopped in execution, because Lucas needs an editor to be a competent filmmaker and some of his sensibilities were absurdly dated when the movies were new (the old timey, not malicious but very stupid racist tropes - and the stiff dialogue, which he intentionally patterned after the clunky old sci-fi action movies of his youth) - but they were never, ever lazy. They had a vision and a clear theme and narrative trajectory. Lucas knew exactly what he wanted, and tripped over every Lego in the box on the way there, but damned if he didn't somehow end up at the exact finish line he was aiming for.

[@t.7124]

@@FelisImpurrator I have to agree, there were a lot more ideas and reasons for the prequels to exist in comparison to the sequel trilogy and the TV series. The prequels expanded the world of Star Wars so much, while the new media only rehashes what is already there

[@definitelynotabot1743]

Perhaps the hope of good SW stories has come sooner than Schaff expected. I think he'll love "Andor".

[@hunterkeenan6268]

Andor is amazing, my favorite star wars show

[@rufos5293]

I think episode 4's whole point was to feature the fortress inquisitorius in a show or movie. The entire episode seems kinda like a retread of Jedi: Fallen Order's ending. Thing was taken to fortress, save thing, flood the place, uncover secret, get tf out. For that, it accomplished its (admittedly pretty dumb) goal. I got back into Star Wars recently because of Fallen Order, and episode 4 was really cool to me.

[@mercury2157]

The duel in Episode 6 was worth the price of admission, as a big fat lightsaber nerd such as myself. They definitely did their research when it comes to Obi-Wan and Vader's use of lightsaber forms from both Legends and Canon

[@SnakesAnimations]

I feel like this show should've been released all at once. I know streaming services try really hard to make sure people hold their subscriptions with the weekly release thing, but I really feel like the story was so tightly written that episodically separating it hurt its release. Not to mention giving only 6 episodes to all these shows is absolutely ridiculous

[@themoviecritic1092]

Idk I like the weekly thing because it's like old fashioned television tbh. I just think the show was mediocre and even released all at once it would have the same feeling

[@JDLaney-zk4wb]

Really? I feel this show would’ve been better if it weren’t so stretched out. Like if it were like, a two hour episode of TV where the story is all told at once… I feel like there is a word for those.

[@indeed260]

@@JDLaney-zk4wb Really the only parts that could have been taken out was the entirety of episode 4

[@Tickerchicken]

@@themoviecritic1092 you like it because it’s like TV the thing inferior to steaming

[@themoviecritic1092]

@@Tickerchicken Technically. Binge watching is honestly not the best because you watch a show for a day, talk about it for two or three more days and then forget about it. It's something they honestly could've done for Stranger Things 4 but yk

[@onemoreminute0543]

I don't know man. That part where Vader said 'Its forcin time!' and proceeded to force all over those villagers was masterful

[@user-er1xl7ks1r]

🤣🤣🤣

[@TheWhiteDragon3]

You know, I think this show would have worked better if the majority of the series was Obi Wan's flashbacks as he deals with his guilt leading up to one final adventure and confrontation with Vader. That's actually what I was expecting and looking forward to.

[@sakethvenkatesh2492]

So basically, what they did in The Book of Boba Fett but it actually kinda makes sense.

[@kazbe_lmd3881]

Here’s my thing about the Show, I wish it was a Mini-Movie and I know everyone has been saying that. But here’s the thing, if this show was more about Obi-Wan and Anakin and other things. But a few things that I think that should change, 1. Make this a Mini-Movie, 2. Make sure the writing is fine (And I know writing a show is hard to write that’s why it’s better to do a mini movie) and one more thing: Show more of Anakin and Obi-Wans relationship like the Flashback. (Edit) Vader is the best thing this show has done, I mean if your gonna have Darth Vader in your Show, Video Game or Movie. You got to do him correct, it’s a rule and guideline.

[@Deathpool_04]

Someone brought up this up but this time period for Kenobi also would’ve been great or even better as a game. Obviously Disney would never do this, especially with this characters and the actors. Imagine playing as Kenobi going around Tatooine helping Luke, the Lars, and the locals along with showing how Kenobi gets by on Tatooine and struggling with the past. These things would be perfect the first part of the game. Second part is getting Leia back to Alderaan along with Kenobi trying to regain his skills and Strength in the force. Then the final boss is Darth Vader, of course. It’s just that this would’ve been too similar to Fallen Order.

[@WaitWhatWho]

Definitely feels like a movie that was changed to be a show

[@lukaslukas8083]

It’s like a reverse of Eternals. Which feels like a TV show that was made into a movie

[@artydomi2466]

The Star Wars version of Inhumans... No that's too far even for a joke

[@luckyasmr1374]

It actually was! Ewan himself said they were originally going to make it into a film, but later changed it to be a Disney+ limited series.

[@WaitWhatWho]

@@luckyasmr1374 yeah I think it was going to be released after Solo, but then that bombed so they stopped making spinoff movies, then everyone hated rise of Skywalker while everyone loved The Mandalorian, so they stopped making movies all together and focused on shows, now here we are.

[@luckyasmr1374]

@@WaitWhatWho Yeah the box office of that film really put the franchise on thin ice. It sucks because I think this show would’ve been better as a film.

[@justus5879]

The thing that really killed it for me was obi wan burning alive 2 metres from vader and the he just gets rescued by some random lady with ease. In front of the same guy that easily stops a ship from flying away a few episodes later

[@pyguy7]

9:56 The giant neon sign in the background legit just says *"MILK"* in Aurebesh. no joke

[@BlueRaz21]

“Nothing of value was added to the story” Perfectly put

[@masterdeetectiv9520]

Its honestly not a story needed to be told. Obi vibed on tatooine training himself to learn qui gonn’s force ghost and train luke.

[@PACHIC]

Boba Fett had a better soundtrack and knew how to build an epic scene. This show should´ve been better handled

[@idkwhattocallthischannel2401]

i agree the score in this show was so lacking whereas in boba you could feel the action kicking in

[@AquaAtia]

The soundtrack and lack thereof was the worst part of this show. Which is sad as Natalie Holt has done a good job before. Needed more Williams motifs

[@juliannnnnnnnnnnnn]

boba fett was ten times worse XD

[@thealt8038]

@@juliannnnnnnnnnnnn but the soundtrack was fire

[@tophatcat1173]

@@juliannnnnnnnnnnnn it was worse overall, but it did do some things better, specifically the reveal of cad bane that was probably one of my favorite moments in any of these live action star wars shows. Disregarding how weird his face looked of course.

[@sethgob5591]

Ok, that sponsorship segue was so good u just earned a like for that alone

[@BirdMoose]

I will be watching the 14 episode Wade mini-series and love every section of it.

[@ItSaBeastNerd]

A movie or show that isn’t perfect or mainly good: *is made* Schaff: “it… exists”

[@7Z7A7C7K7]

@don't be surprised STOP COMMENTING THAT ON ALL COMMENTS.

[@MoustachioFurioso83]

He's pretty kind about it, considering how much of a mess it was.

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

Remember those times when Schaffrillas used term known as "painfully average"? I unironically love those times.

[@ecthelion3256]

@@7Z7A7C7K7 it's a bot

[@TheSpaceCommunist]

The Lars were easily the most surprisingly good part of the show. Bravo to the actors!

[@ShadowArabesque]

I love that you used Destati while talking about Vader, perfectly encompasses the feeling of the the dark side.

[@leandrabarros3582]

Obi Wan made me love Star Wars again, me and my dad watched together and it was so fun! I think it was cool

[@eyhombe11]

Once again, Schaff knows all my inner thoughts about every show or movie I’ve ever watched

[@thenetherkids2607]

my main opinion of this show is that the entire thing feels like a side quest. i went into it thinking it would be obi-wan faffing about on tatooine protecting luke from a distance but nah how about the other kid that someone else volunteered to protect

[@Rmoney213]

7:30 to skip the sponsor.

[@laysthechip3356]

I love listening to this guy talk about things I don’t know shit about Star Wars but this is fun

[@slamjam7676]

The prequel actors being brought down by direction and writing again is like poetry Ol georgy boy planned it all along :^O

[@brianalambert1192]

I'm going to say it, and it has nothing to do with racism. I don't like what they did with Reva. It's all in the writing here and how often they make her shout. Reva to me was terrifying when she was quiet; when she was like a predator waiting in ambush, it was the little things about her that I liked. I had a feeling she was going to have a tragic backstory, but I am just so sick and tired of female villains not really being villains. I would have loved to see Reva as a full villain, but a quiet villain. I could have sworn that her backstory was going to be that Vader made her kill her friends to save herself, and that she was gunning to be his apprentice because he spared her, and that she actually began enjoying the terrible things she did, the power it gave her. Here's the thing about people with power; they don't need to flaunt it. That's why a quiet villain is so scary, they don't need to shout to be intimidating. Vader not even bothering to use a lightsaber against her at first and then tossing her saber back to her is a brilliant example of this concept. He doesn't need to work to beat her, because he is that good. Now I can make the argument that the character is trying to be tough and scary because in reality she isn't given what they do with her at the end, but even so, I'm annoyed at how often Hollywood will not allow a woman to be a full on villain. Wanda in the Doctor Strange movie is the exception to this and I think the example of how to do this right. You feel sorry for her and understand where she's coming from, but she is still a villain. I want more female villains who are legitimate villains

[@Richard_Nickerson]

Same

[@kennystimpson2775]

Exactly, star wars twitter is as bad as politics twitter

[@racool911]

I absolutely agree, but I do think it's kind of in bad faith to judge Reva as a character based on what she could've been instead of what the writers were going for.

[@gbrow1604]

I disagree. The character was terrible all around and the performance was just plain bad.

[@killianmiller6107]

After seeing the first two episodes, I assumed what I thought Reva’s motivations were, that she was hurt by Vader in the past and so she joined the inquisitors and sought Kenobi to get close to Vader to get revenge, not caring who she hurts along the way. The way she came across as antagonistic and insubordinate to her fellow inquisitors (hiding something), how infatuated she was with Kenobi in particular, and the fact that leftists cannot in their good conscience actually allow a black female character to be legitimately evil (only white men can be legitimately evil) seemed to lead to this conclusion. Lo and behold that was predictable.

[@PikaLuigi]

During the ad read, I'm not sure if this was on purpose or not, but it's great framing that at 6:26 "giant shiny coconut crab" gets cut off

[@KS-xk2so]

Obi Wan Kenobi the Show: "Have you come to destroy me Schaffrillas?" Shaffrillas: "I will do what I must."

[@kwiteloverboy]

Obi-Wan is one of the shows ever made 😎

[@unioneye1087]

good

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

well said colton

[@Clairavoya]

5:20 The shaky cam was so disorienting it was just disctracting. I literally said while watching these scenes, "Why is the camera shaking so much?". It ruined what little immersion I had in this show

[@Clairavoya]

@ambassador It should make them more exciting, but here it's just unecessary and annoying

[@tommypines1039]

One of the biggest problems I had is Vader left that girl alive, so she could accidentally discover Luke, and go to kill him- for 1, no, you should be dead, right? And 2, a big part of Hope was that Luke was turned off from the force, on a planet where nothing happens. OH but when he was ten a random sith lady came to kill him, but he had no question as to why, and just went on living as a pouty farmer for 8 more years like nothing ever happened.

[@KeViN_1D]

Appreciate that shout out to the CW Citadel Arc!😎 -I always loved those episodes