"Oddball" Navy & Artillery Lugers

[@csipawpaw7921]

If memory serves me correctly the 1920 mark does not indicate it was reworked but was retained as part of the reduced inventory authorized by the Treaty of Versailles after WW1.

[@Foche_T._Schitt]

19:52 The tooling is a little rougher on the original. The cutters are probably a little dull and gulling instead of cutting clean.

[@lonniegamble4292]

I did learn a lot today. Thank you for your attention to detail on these fine Lugers.

[@smitthone]

The real stamping tools was extensively used on thousands of gun, wearing off. A new fake tool will be used as sharp as it csn be on few guns

[@gunfisher4661]

I`m not a collector but your videos are very educational and there fore sparks a high interest to me as I always enjoy those type of videos on things of interest to me. I never could get enough of gun and fishing magazines and even Popular Mechanics in the day before the internet. Still can`t get enough Thanks to you and Ian I have something of interest often.

[@melorange1678]

I got a lot of Popular Mechanics from the '50s. The classified advert section had a lot of adds for surplus military firearms...including Lugars...at mouth watering prices compared to todays prices.

[@jtgall1]

You had me worried. I went and checked the Navy in my safe. It passes muster!

[@simonjones6128]

I love all the geeky details Tom always interesting with a touch of humour

[@scottshea6927]

Great Video! Thank you for sharing this information.

[@sambone8213]

Good video. OUT the name of the faker, it might save someone from being defrauded. O marked Mauser Navy owner here as well.

[@NorCalSaint]

Was just looking at a Navy and knew it was fake because of this video. Thank you!

[@CW-76Raider]

Great video, my 1916 Navy passed all of the tests.

[@Nick_B_Bad]

Oh I like that mismatch Navy with the grip notches. Still need a Luger in my collection. 🤣

[@KevinL.03303]

Actually some U-Boat Captions & XO’s were known to notch their Lugers with the amount of ships sunk.

[@garand999]

a very instructive, interesting video, make more of this kind , thank. you !

[@prepbrothershomestead9410]

I think maybe the notches were to aid him in his grip of the gun. 😊😁

[@jensenwilliam5434]

Thank you Tom!!

[@jimmccue577]

Thanks for the great information! Always enjoy your videos! How about a video exclusively on Luftwaffe guns? Keep up the great work!

[@M1903a4]

- Many of the fake 1916 and '17 Navies have been reworked to have the large flange pins. - The 1916 (and 1917s with s/n less than ~1000) will have smaller serial numbers on the front of the frame, the same size as the earlier long frame undated Navy lugers. - Somebody made a lot of those rear sights, they are readily available. - The '16 and '17 dated ones are much more commonly faked because the frames and receivers are the same as a P.08. - Ones with a newly made barrel are often missing the ring in the chamber. There are still a number of original barrels floating around, removed during the Weimar era and replaced with shorted 100mm P.08 barrels.

[@jacktheaviator4938]

The Kriegsmarine had naval infantry units, some were involved in the final defense of Berlin, so you might be making assumptions about their combat experience that might not be true when considering the notches

[@TheRicardobrazil]

Normally the value of the guns and any antique is stablished on the condition of it, but, when you think about guns, helmets or any other military I would think that the most damaged would be the most valuable for the simple reason that it participated in more fights battles situations etc

[@DARIVSARCHITECTVS]

Fascinating information!

[@pappamike6231]

Great info.

[@vladimirmihnev9702]

Maybe he marked the ships they were able to sink, it's a lot like the original wild west tradition. You make a mark for each "win" IDK sound better than marketing every patrol or fight, to me.

[@Bacardibatman]

I thumb'd up for the embellishments Tom 🤣🤪🤪

[@dannycorbett375]

I have a buddy that has a Walther pp in 32 acp and a Ithaca 45 that his uncle bought back from WW2 he said he shot a German police with his 45 and took his Walther with holster and 2 clips it has a circle with a p inside of the circle on the left side of the frame behind the trigger it is German proofed marked holster and matching clip number so does that mean it is a police model it dates to late 41 to 42

[@gotoylc]

Why is the artillery luger barrel so long??

[@nealdossett9383]

All excellent guns kept in your vault (not for sale)

[@vladimirmihnev9702]

Man I would love for someone to make something like the Artillery luger maybe integrally suppressed.

[@mikehelms3063]

I am always wondering why Artillery and Navy Lugers have those longer barrels, what's the purpose of that? Greetings from the Netherlands. Mike

[@LegacyCollectibles]

Greater accuracy at a distance.

[@M1903a4]

They were issued with, and intended to be used with, wooden stocks. Makes them into carbines.

[@Felix-fy7ki]

The 1920 stamping should be Reichswehr property mark.

[@rriflemann308]

Calling the 1920 marking a “rework date” is a big red flag,… not knowing what the 1920 marking means in reference to a ww1 German small arm is a giant red flag, this is why I get such negative vibes off mr. Legacy

[@dmg4415]

The notches may be sunken ships? U Boat force?

[@LegacyCollectibles]

Good point. !

[@jtgall1]

Paris brothel……?

[@dmg4415]

@@jtgall1 How many STDs?

[@JohnDoe-wp6xd]

I have a Luger but don’t know what it is can you help me

[@joecrawford9709]

Thanks

[@melorange1678]

This may go against the grain...but the workmanship in those counterfeit Lugers almost suggests a " sub culture for collectors...like those who follow famous painting counterfeiters ? Of course at no where near the correct value.

[@TheJagjr4450]

The 1 and the two zeros in the 20:05 shot are entirely different, REAL The digit ONE has sharp squared ends on the serifs & the zeros are race track shaped with distinct parallel verticals FAKE The digit ONE has blunt ends on the serifs and the zeros are egg shaped eith no flat sides.

[@haroldgodwinson832]

Yeah, maybe. It's certainly possible, I guess, that the WW 1 naval Luger was re-issued by the Kreigsmarine during WW 2, at some point, although I'd have to say that as 1942 was the high water mark for the National Socialist state, that seems to be an odd time for the Kreigsmarine to be scratching about for old, non-standard relics, to press into service. So, unless that's very well documented somehow, I'd say it's just as likely, if not more so, that the pistol was re-holstered, AFTER the war, rather than during.

[@allangibson2408]

Lugers were not standard issue from 1942 on. The Wehrmacht stopped carrying spares for them in 1942 and in fact used all the spares to manufacture a batch of new guns (without serial numbers…). The last German military accepted Lugers were made in November 1943.

[@haroldgodwinson832]

@@allangibson2408 That sounds a little odd to me. By 1942 there must have been tens if not hundreds of thousands of Lugers in service with the German military. Am I to believe that all of these weapons were potentially to be rendered unserviceable because there were no parts available to fix them? Did the Germans have such a surplus production of P38s that they could simply afford to discard Lugers which would otherwise have been serviceable if the spare parts had been available? That sounds unlikely to me.

[@allangibson2408]

@@haroldgodwinson832 The P-38 was the new standard issue - and MUCH cheaper, more reliable and easier to make than the Luger. That’s the whole point the cheaper gun could arm more troops for the same cost in time and materials. If your Luger broke, they handed you a P-38 (which did have spare parts available) and possibly the unit armorer would scavenge parts off two broken Luger’s and hand fit them to get one working later (which is where all the thousands of mismatched Lugers come from). The unit armorer just couldn’t order new parts from the factory anymore (just like a gunsmith today).

[@haroldgodwinson832]

@@allangibson2408 Yeah except, the Germans didn't have surplus P38s to splash about; did they. There was a woeful shortage of handguns in the German military, hence all the Astras, Stars, Hi-Powers and Mausers that were pressganged into serviced in an attempt to make-up for the the shortfall in P38 production. That being the case, it seems odd that the Germans would have adopted 'cannibalization' as a official policy to keep Luger pistols in service, given that hundreds of thousands were already in use. Every time you cannibalized one pistol, to get another back in service, you were reducing the overall pool of available handguns.

[@allangibson2408]

@@haroldgodwinson832 That’s what they were doing… basically making complete new P-38’s was easier than making parts for Lugers. At the same time the Luger was retired they also started making Sten clones as the MP-3008, so perhaps you can see their priorities. A Sten cost 1/10 as much to make as a Luger.

[@docmach8794]

So old boy puts so much to detail but F's up the stamp?

[@ferencm.3635]

Antique, Museum? Can you use it? test shot on target? Hm? O.K.

[@gorandjokic5901]

Rat je improvizacija

[@gastonjhmhidalgo7196]

soberbia explicacion, me quito el sombreo, un saludo.

[@Skeppo1]

This guy seems to have a lot of stories of all stuff he is selling....so lot that I remember words of my passed away friend who was best antiquearms dealer in Scandinavia - he told me that people are buying illusions not guns. Look this holster....80-years old - no hell. All parts of leather are different colour. Somewhere the stiches are white and some where brown and if 80-years old holster don´t have any signs of use - it is not real deal. This guy is a regular storyteller - nothing else.

[@LegacyCollectibles]

Keyboard warrior

[@LegacyCollectibles]

Perhaps you did not watch the videos. I specifically said several times "buy the gun and not the story". Also on the holsters I said that they were reworked and modified, so I dont understand your complaint that parts of the holster are different color.