Oh My Lands! YOU'RE CHEATING!! | Caro-Kann: Panov Attack | The Sensei Speedrun | GM Naroditsky

[@Leon-te1gx]

Danya's opponent: 'Wow, this guy is much stronger than his 2100 rating. Must be a fellow cheater.'

[@benzabel213]

Not even kidding, i was just thinking the same thing

[@stopstalkingme2023]

It was kinda sus coz he moves his piece at a fast pace

[@alexanderstelmakh8906]

fellow cheater, great!!

[@ironcode]

"Damn, I'm no cheater, but that guy must obviously be cheating, so let me fire up my engine..."

[@cominoengenharia]

In a way, that's cheating by ommiting relevant information 😂

[@Celastrous]

I love seeing Danya's squinting when it becomes clear the guy is playing like an engine. The double rook move was high level, but he moved his king like 3 times in a row in the middle game.

[@PennDraken]

So when this guy moves his king 3 times in a row in the middle game he's a "cheater" and "high level", but when I do it I'm "400 elo" and "play f6".

[@mboxblues7576]

you could tell he started being suspicious when the opp played rb1 then rb1e1 & it was a very good move. no human would move the rook twice there

[@Celastrous]

@@mboxblues7576 Yeah I was sus as hell at that moment. But I am only 1800, so I chalked it up to a legit high level move. The king moves screamed engine use.

[@nischay4760]

@@mboxblues7576 yea, I dont see any human choosing rbe1 over rfe1 in a rapid game, especially after spending a couple seconds

[@hammer12482]

Rb1 is a common motif so I thought it might be just well studied the following moves were wild though

[@sicoles]

cheaters aren't cool but cheater videos sure are

[@afterglow5285]

except hans, hans is cool.

[@getsetcode8162]

@@afterglow5285 he didn't cheat don't just blame him.... It was probably a prep leak from magnus's team

[@jakebrowning2373]

@@getsetcode8162 what do you think prep leak means? You think there's a single file that has all his prep? No, there many files throughout chessbase and lines scattered everywhere. Watch danyas take on it, that's where I'm getting it from

[@jakebrowning2373]

@@getsetcode8162 but I also don't think he cheated, just saying it wasn't prep leak

[@Batman-bh6vw]

@@jakebrowning2373 Where can I watch his take? Some twitch VOD?

[@christmastimelor790]

The cheater episode comes at quite the time.

[@patrykapiezo1650]

The prep was leaked - he knew the speedrun so he was prepared for the Caro

[@_A-B_]

Yeah nice observation

[@_A-B_]

@@patrykapiezo1650 ahhahahaha you guys are really making my day 🤣

[@pepega3344]

this stream was 2 weeks ago tho

[@HOU1996]

🤣

[@brendan6778]

It sucks to see danya so demoralized here. Cheating is a big issue at this elo , and he was so excited to show that particular caro line. Sucks to be invested in a game and have it go like this, hope tmrw is better...

[@arleyantes9321]

Exactly, he was so invested in it. Terrible stuff. I'd really appreciate watching an in depth analysis of the Panov.

[@matthewviramontes3131]

Yea but it proves that he doesn't know the theory as well as he thought

[@Auditas]

@@matthewviramontes3131 nah I reviewed the game and he was solid till 35. Rd5!? which is well past opening theory

[@MrSupernova111]

Yes. I closed my chesscom account with a 2100+ rating. Got sick and tired of playing cheaters on a daily basis. Its rampant.

[@copdatchoppa]

Just wait til you see cheaters on a low to intermediate level. There are a lot of them and they usually get away with it because low players often have a hard time detecting cheaters. At least in the higher elo, people will sus you for strange moves.

[@rahulmadavi6023]

You got a new fan daniel, your vids helped me a lot for improving in chess. Such an underrated gem of a youtuber you are.

[@mohsen2035]

The best chess class in the world is Naroditski speedrun

[@Eggy79]

Sure, if all you care about is 1.e4 as white

[@penta_0]

@@Eggy79 and d4 lol

[@autosemimatic6071]

@@Eggy79 its e4 and d4, learning the english is just painful so its completely reasonable to find danya the most educating on this game for players

[@Eggy79]

@@autosemimatic6071 He rarely plays d4 in this speedrun. It's 90% e4

[@thetechconsultant]

I doubt he only started using the engine when he was worse. Each of his moves were a few seconds all throughout the game.

[@LKSgm]

4.5 s

[@unclesam6168]

but he was worse for most of the game with some blunders so there was no way he was getting those moves from stockfish

[@Ahmed.4411]

@@unclesam6168 That's because cheaters dont use the best engine so it's not obvious

[@andreitiberiovicgazdovici]

Usually nowadays they play 1st, or 2nd, or 3rd move, even 4th sometimes, even if they get -1/-1,5 positions. Then in the endgame (or late middlegame) they turn into Carlsen and in crucial positions they Always find the best move, within few seconds

[@steinanderson]

@@andreitiberiovicgazdovici you seem to know an awful lot about cheating hmmmm...

[@cameronsmuts10]

I really love how Danya stays in his lane admist all of the chess drama! You're a classy gentleman, hats off bro

[@Jsef0801]

Booooo

[@noThankyou-g5c]

although the ironically topical cheating video is pretty funny

[@dnkfcr]

What drama tell me

[@pavlos712]

@@dnkfcr accusations of Hans Niemann cheating

[@pepega3344]

this game was 2 weeks ago

[@sainirmith9869]

Danya: "i will stay away from that chess cheating drama, no matter how many times people ask me to say something". Chess gods: " u may now play a match with a cheater for the speedrun"

[@pepega3344]

this game was 2 weeks ago

[@kyapox]

Finally a caro kann! And it's against a cheater...

[@frequensea9434]

Bro same

[@aravindsfirst]

On lichess, I play a lot of puzzle positions with Stockfish level 5 to see if I can checkmate it. After the first 15 moves or so, it is clearly apparent from the facts that each move takes the exact amount of time, there are no premoves, even the obvious ones, and in your case finally the strength of play to indicate that you were in fact playing against an engine. Pretty sad seeing these cheaters on a speedrun. On the other hand, Danya vs Stockfish is definitely something I'd be interested in :)

[@gnikdroy]

Converting the aftermath of a puzzle with the highest stockfish might just be the best way to learn to convert winning positions. Thanks.

[@delanogournet-moore3266]

How does Hans have the time to play this much chess

[@michaelwright8896]

Its his job.

[@gelatinousjoe7979]

Definitely think he was using an engine the whole game. Just was picking the second or third top moves to bring down his accuracy.

[@mcbain7392]

4s per move from the start yuck but this shows how insanely strong Daniel is, he had a response for every move the computer did. Also 11:17 looks like a good puzzle, overloaded queen/pin/removing the defender.

[@eliasvonbrille]

Danya was better out of the opening so the Cheater was obviously not cheating in the beginning or played much worse moves on purpose.

[@FenShen-us9tv]

he's just playing book moves which are from the computer lol

[@eliasvonbrille]

@@FenShen-us9tv Bookmoves are not from the computer. Bookmove just means it's Theory of some sort. Theory is choosen by people. There are countless lines of official Theory (Bookmoves) that leave the one that plays it at objectively -3 or something (Something a Computer would never do in a million years). For example the Englund Gambit. All Bookmoves, leaves you at I think -4 or something with perfect play. The double Muzio Gambit in the Kings Gambit Main Line is another example. Because it's main Line theory doesn't mean it's objectively any good. Sometimes you just play your theory and the computer wants to murder you for it.

[@fujiapple9675]

The irony of a cheating speedrun video being uploaded amid all the Magnus Hans controversy! Oh my lands!

[@jibrankhalil4837]

Yeah, even in this video there is no "proof". Daniel just being salty, just like Magnus.

[@ankurgupta9106]

@@jibrankhalil4837 yes Lol

[@palatusgames8800]

@@jibrankhalil4837 🤡

[@donquixote8462]

@@jibrankhalil4837 Truly, the troglodyte among us. Or a troll.

[@autosemimatic6071]

@@jibrankhalil4837 🤡

[@nimayonsensei]

All the mad content in the world you can see on YT. And still nothing beats a good let'splay from the greatest. I will keep watching until the end. Never stop being you D

[@fridgeron1641]

He was lucky because he looked into that line just this morning.

[@JakeLondonRivers]

😂

[@YtubeUserr]

Rofl

[@KF1]

Brutal

[@TylerDunphy]

That was hilarious when he took 4 seconds to take a free queen

[@ChessJourneyman]

Rb1 tickled his senses, and Re1 created a fishy pattern of decisions. That's likely where he already started suspecting something was up.

[@Jartran72]

I you look carefully in the first seconds of the match, he checked the guys profile and already knew whats up the way he squinted.

[@Saurabhsingh1234-y2z]

Everyone wants to see how a grandmaster plays against stockfish .....but to grandmaster shocker ...he knows it in the middle game he is to fight to an engine ....the BIG Boss

[@CarlOfHoly]

Super high skilled game with lots of high level advice. Super instructive video to see how creative you can be in chess

[@JustStop19]

I am so sorry to see that, one thing is when you're cheating from the beginning (which is also bad), but damn, when you understand that you're suck and turn on the engine to help you, it's infinitely more disgusting. And,once again, even in those circumstances, Danya handled the situation like a true gentleman.

[@andrerodrigues2877]

So many times I was completely winning, almost with a force mate, and than they turn on engine and find a super clutch way to draw

[@realsushrey]

@@andrerodrigues2877 I remember a game where a someone found 15 consecutive top engine moves to convert a win into a loss for me. Not sure they were cheating, but 15 consecutive top engine moves are something at the 1500 level.

[@sandeepr7141]

you*

[@ReiThaKing]

Hans testing his engine before his next match

[@h.h.h.9307]

Not funny

[@danielyuan9862]

@@h.h.h.9307 Sorry to hear that. But what do you gain from saying that?

[@h.h.h.9307]

@@danielyuan9862 a tiny little attempt of making the world a better place

[@lubelle9447]

​@@h.h.h.9307thats a noble goal sir

[@Jartran72]

@@h.h.h.9307 But it is funny to most people. If you don't find it funny just ignore it. Starting arguments on the internet is the most useless way to spend your time.

[@AbeKenney]

I would love to play Danya and get schooled and see the joy people got from his excellent explaining and teaching. Instead some jerk gets to play him, with their computer helping, learns nothing and wastes all of our time!

[@Yeesh405]

Not true computer games are some of the most educational Magnus says his skill is largely due to studying computers and their tactics

[@Jartran72]

If you actually are saying you can learn nothing from computers you are well mistaken.

[@PJBoyYT]

You'd blunder after a great game and he'd be disappointed :p

[@CheapShotFail]

My computer hits depth 40 fairly quickly, and I've compared it to engines on phone, ipad, etc. This guy was either using a phone/ipad that caps out around depth 25 or trying to hide that he was cheating and keeping it even in the first half of the game, or maaaaybe played a normal game until time pressure then started using the engine, but once you two started moving quickly it was blatant inhuman engine moves all the way through. I agreed with Danya that little about the first part of the game was suspicious beyond that it was relatively accurate in a newer line, but the position was easy enough to play as long as long as you develop normally and improve your pieces. Love seeing you play the Caro, I always hate facing the panov. The lines that Jovanka's book that I'm using recommends are very sharp and I've gotten blown off the board numerous times playing a friend in it. I always slept on the panov because I personally dislike IQP structures but now that I've started studying it to learn how to play against it, it's quite a fascinating structure to study. Shame we didn't get to see a more human game persay in this line but you at least got to show us how to reach equality in this line against engine play which is more than valuable enough. Love the speedrun so far!

[@Celastrous]

More expensive hardware -> better chess player That's the lesson here, right?

[@CheapShotFail]

@@Celastrous Lol nice one, got a good laugh from me. Years of practice and competition do, but a strong computer certainly helps for analysis and for making you feel bad when you thought you just played great. I'm just pointing out that a phone engine recommends those moves but a strong computer that hits higher depths doesn't, which has certain interesting implications about how the cheating might be occurring.

[@SerLaama]

Principle-breaking openings like Caro-Kann aren't for you if you aren't both an advanced player and ready to study all of the sidelines (of which there are like 12) in-depth.

[@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar]

There are some sophisticated cheaters at ICC who appear to intentionally play inferior non-losing moves for say, the first 6 moves AND then turn on chess programs to finish off unsuspecting opponents. I think ICC is supposed to run background software that detects this.....

[@CheapShotFail]

@@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar Exactly. I've run into similar players on every site. They play a second rate at best opening and suddenly once the position is worse or losing it's engine perfect play from there out. I think they just crave the dopamine hit from the "you win" screen or something, doesn't make sense how you can justify that you played worse yet cheating means you somehow win.

[@liljackypaper]

I've started a vocab list of words to learn/use more that I've heard Danya use in his streams: Circumspect Convoluted Endemic Gradation Revulsion Phalanx

[@KF1]

There are also many other words you could use in lieu of those

[@bryanp5843]

Disappointed that you didn't put the definition of any of them

[@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar]

You have come a long way man!! I read your excellent endgame columns in Chess Life and want to share with the world that you are a Breaking Bad Fan who makes much more than a typical high chemistry school teacher without having to synthesize crystal blue meth!!

[@dion9795]

This is the earliest i've ever been to one of these

[@hunterraupach9626]

The queen move to a2 then to b3 to cover g3 from cross map to completely stifle your plan is what made it super obvious to me

[@BBNC420]

Oh no! I caught up and fnished all 99 videos. Now what am I supposed to do? Danya please don't stop create these speed runs. I'm up like 1000 elo points after these. Cheers!

[@JoeLynock]

The only channel I watch instantly as soon as a new video comes out. Thanks Danya you’re the best

[@zeNUKEify]

That game was more than impressive 👀

[@usageunit]

Oh wow, this is exactly how I play the Panov. Usually you trade off the c-pawn at some point, but I don't like the IQP, so I push it and go for the queenside pawn storm just like this. I probably wouldn't have traded off the dark-squared bishop though.

[@ceep5082]

It’s so fun watching him slowly figure it out, but definitely sad that it happens

[@KinG-tz5cm]

this shit gang af keep it up homie

[@shashlik7959]

Honestly a 2200 shouldn't be able to beat a GM without prep unless it's another GM smurfing Like, miracles rarely happen in chess

[@jonnozomboid2649]

Great job being the consumate gentleman, Daniel. That's what brings me, and many others, back.

[@NittyMPersonal]

:)

[@Sxekilljoy]

Cheating just seems redundant, the whole point of chess is that euphoria you get from out thinking your opponent It’s a high, a high you won’t get if somebody (or something) telling you the moves

[@LKSgm]

That's the same way with other esports

[@ronniepereira6196]

@@LKSgm although in chess you can’t “out muscle” your opponent, there’s no physical advantage in chess. In games like Football/Basketball, yes there is thinking involved, but there’s also pure strength and height that can win a game

[@DarkSideChess]

Its probably mostly kids. If I was 10yo, and I learned about engines, I think I'd be tempted to see if I can beat a GM online for the lulz.

[@LKSgm]

@@ronniepereira6196 esports

[@moseistrujillo8300]

How nice for super grand master Hans Nieman making a guest appearance on danya's channel. in all serious, I love the series. Keep it up!

[@sneakyonthebeat]

Danya: this guy is serious! Me: ohhhhh he’s cheating

[@garethhughes7568]

Don't be despondent. Your ability to differentiate between, who vs. who, is valuable. Thank you for all of your content.

[@Timmyjoc]

Hells yeah, another speedeun vid from the best teacher on KZbin! Here early for once, and from.tyr thumbnail it's gonna be crazy 😅

[@darian5428]

But at 11:07 when the guy plays bishop h3, the position is actually equal, exactly 0.0, and that's when danya starts calling him a teacher.

[@danielyuan9862]

That is not when Danya calls him a cheater. That's about when Danya thinks he started cheating (after the game). And that gives no information. Danya could have been ahead in the past 5 moves, but you never told us how much better he was.

[@TheKawww]

Very topical video!

[@AHG1347]

The stockfish spoke for itself and still not enough.

[@kendreamer6376]

Even though Danya was playing a cheater. The version of the Carro is good for white in the endgame just base on the own structure alone. Because white has majority pawns on queen side so if everything got traded down white would have winning chances. I think if Danya gave him and iso queen pawn structure it's better for black.

[@NihilHS]

Such a shame. Imagine how fantastic online chess would be if no one ever cheated. Imagine playing USCF or FIDE games *online.*

[@sackwhacker]

11:36 Best part!

[@banzaiburger]

Cheaters cheat against themselves. They don't get better and learn nothing.

[@slowfreq]

You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

[@afterglow5285]

they can also become famous, trend on social networks, win against the world champion and win hefty prices at top tournaments.

[@thesnackbandit]

@@afterglow5285 I don't understand that Hans Niemann accusations one bit. There is literally zero proof that he cheated at Saint Louis. Just some oddities in his post game analysis but that's hardly a compelling argument.

[@lred1383]

@@slowfreq Can you remind me where this is from? I can't remember

[@Paulst123]

@@thesnackbandit I agree it's not ironclad, by any means...but it is compelling.

[@ethanharr4795]

Well timed vid. I’m sure the algorithm will go crazy with a vid with the words chess and cheating in the title rn.

[@xuantungnguyen9719]

This is why Hans gets no symphathy

[@Fortinbras31]

i see the title and its like watching a bee crawl into the spiders web but I still learn a lot

[@nicolaspacettiterra4043]

The fact that he was cheating wasn't so obvious at first, but it became evident when he played Kh1 😂

[@EvilRamin]

funny accident, Dania faces a cheater shortly after the Hans situation

[@rq4740]

I think you meant to say “shortly after Magnus did”

[@hadisyuaib8613]

Very topical Danya

[@ViewVue5]

"you have no proof he's cheating! Innocent until proven guilty. This is a witch hunt!"

[@blackhitler8572]

The real answer is actualy elementary. Magnus cheats. He's always had anal beads up his butt, maybe for the past 10 years. That's how he's been dominating the entire field of players. There was a slight dip during the time he played Caruana because he was so drunk he couldnt feel the vibrations well and ended up losinga game. His team decided to turn up the vibrations to max and that's how Magnus survived the encounter. Recently Magnus realized the anal bead supercomputer design he created had been stolen. Of course he couldn't come clean about cheating, so he drummed up the excuse of being bored so he wouldn't lose the World Championships to Nepo, who he suspects to have stolen the anal bead design after being humiliated in their prior contest. Magnus' suspicions were further evidenced by Nepo's performance during the Candidates. As u/GothamChess said, however, success is addictive, and Magnus decided to aim for 2900 before retiring for good. Little did he know, the real thief was the cocky supervillain Hans. Hans employed the anal bead tactic against Magnus. Being new to use the device, however, Hans didn't know that the signals he sent from his beads interfered with Magnus' device. Magnus feels unprompted vibrations on his prostate and realizes Hans stole his poopchute stockfish but couldn't use his own to retaliate lest Hans knew he was the true inventor of the device. That's why Magnus was uncharacteristically prone to inaccuracies and proceeded to lose the game. Afterwards, Magnus withdrew from the tournament, but not before putting out a vague tweet. While everyone interpreted it as Hans cheating, in reality, Magnus was also cheating but can't release definite proof since he'd also be in "big trouble". Case solved.

[@VallochGaming]

Hikaru be like: Is this Hans' secondary account?

[@DarkSideChess]

was he using wireless anal beads?

[@Kirisame312]

8:46 "amazingly he's somehow holding on" How I know I will never be a GM. I would choose black here 100% of the time. Up a pawn and no immediately obvious positional weaknesses other than the pawn structure.

[@faznaz7455]

Why black 100% of the time. White has a lot of play and imbalance going for him too. Very tricky to deal with.

[@ForeverSunnyYoutube]

when he played Qb3 in 4 seconds in such a rich position it was 1000% he was cheating. You're telling me anyone would ever blitz out Qb3 without considering or calculating any other moves in that position? With tons of time on the clock? Noone would do that, you would always spend time looking for another move before conceding to just playing Qb3.

[@kmbm23]

maaan... I saw the caro kann and got excited. Wanted to learn more about my opening then this happens. Appreciate it still Danya!

[@danielyuan9862]

I don't think someone cheating after 25 moves would change what you learn from the opening that much.

[@spoonce]

Okay, so he goes e5. Now a lot of people here would just lazily develop the knight to f3, but we actually have a move here that poses a lot of practical problems for black and is borderline winning for white. The move is Ke2, and do not worry I will explain this more thoroughly after the game. Now you might look at this position and say, 'isn't this weakening our king and blocking in our pieces?' And while that may be true, you guys need to start thinking long term. In the endgame, it will be a huge advantage to have our king activated in the center. Furthermore, black has no threats here, he is not going to checkmate us any time soon, the king is perfectly well defended on e2. Now he does have a nasty little defensive resource he can try here, let's see if he finds it. Wow, Ke7 he finds it. Now guys, I don't wanna hear any baseless accusations, we will check with an engine after the game. It's not unthinkable that a 1500 finds this move. No black has not equalized, we just need to play clinically to secure our advantage.

[@_A-B_]

Which video was this pinned

[@PeterChessPupil]

Plot Twist the Cheater ended up realizing he only cheated himself!

[@sunset_sage]

Hikaru confirmed that this is Hans alt account

[@andrejbogdanov2816]

I thought it was "oh my lans"

[@KF1]

what's a lans?

[@andrejbogdanov2816]

@@KF1 Google is your friend

[@KF1]

@@andrejbogdanov2816 not sure I care enough to check, but I will keep that in mind

[@rolettuce9654]

How surprisingly topical!

[@Pakadork]

Bruh, i gotta go to beddddd

[@AhmedHussain-qk7fi]

Danya never fails to make my day better

[@Al-gv5uw]

Do you think hans thinks hans can beat Magnus with black

[@Trizzer89]

How does Black have a forced draw in the Panov?

[@zeguitardude]

Chess speaks for itself. (teasing) 😂

[@Brucelee-pv6uf]

14:00 u spend ur wjole life on chess then cheater can best u on 2 seconds I meaaan this gotta hurrrt These engines have nooo mercy of us humans 💔

[@LoaThunder]

Would have loved to know how danya found that tactic at the end :(

[@rage2904]

Very topical

[@Adamskyization]

That's a bummer. Cheaters really make me sick.

[@emmanuelnwachukwu6071]

I actually did suspect him after Rb1, I mean that came out like a prep.

[@harryharbors6707]

Was it Hans Niemann?

[@juanroaguilo]

Cheetah!!!! Go Danyaaa

[@caius6019]

Rbe1 was such a weird move lmfao, immediate give away for me. Moving the rook you already moved to b1 to e1 seemingly blocking in the other rook. A super goofy move only an 800 or a computer would play

[@FunnyGuy93]

This is probably Hans with his new account

[@alexf0101]

thanks

[@tolkienfan1972]

Don't let them get you down

[@dumi08]

Nicee

[@TBKGOLDY]

Danya is dieing here trying to win, and the other guy is cheating. The way of the world.

[@lazsimon403]

I love the cheater's thumbnail

[@walterbrownstone8017]

I'm starting to think danya is getting engine assistance from his chat.

[@fujiapple9675]

11:36 😂

[@nutmaster652]

Hans just getting some practice in before his game with Magnus

[@TsageriStreet]

👍👍👍

[@builderphill1361]

This seems like an engine which is allowed to move pieces, every move they played took the same time each move. I think this is someone using their own engine? Because the moves that the opponent plays give danya the advantage, according to the fish

[@DudeTastic13]

In lieu of the Hans / Magnus drama ... this is very much very appropriate.

[@mst3ksanta]

sometimes i'll give myself time constraints per move to help me with time management. but yeah the guy's moves were too inhumanly consistent

[@cherriechang3706]

12:18 promote into night 😂

[@Xbox360SlimFan]

"M_arina716" is closed for fair play: Accuracy was ~95% against the lower rated players to gain rating quickly. At higher Elo, the cheater mixed non-top moves in to not get banned immediately. Still, it was a pitty attempt. Taking 5s for every move is totally human. Especially if You drop ridiculous queen maneuvers and tactics within seconds. Definitely not stockfish playing here.

[@FBZOMBlES]

didnt know hans had an alt account in the 2200s

[@mouwersor]

Crazy how good GM's are at spotting cheaters just from the way they play. I can only imagine how adapt someone like a world champion would be at that.

[@ChessJourneyman]

Everyone and their mothers knew it after Rbe1. Nobody below at least 2300-2400 moves the same rook twice like that...

[@smashu2]

You forget to floss ?? 😆😅🤣😂

[@paulgoogol2652]

It's very easy to recognize somebody who cheats manually. For simple moves they take just as long as for difficult ones avoiding or using advanced tactics. Just a disgrace for humanity or stinky robots created to follow stockfish's commands. On the other hand advanced cheaters that actually have a brain may take longer for the second type of moves if they try to figure out its motivation. But cheaters using their "brain"? Amusing concept.

[@trequor]

It might as well be impossible to find those cheaters who are decent players and only use the engine during critical moments... this task is especially impossible if they are willing to lose games if they fumble the endgame in time pressure

[@ignis6144]

NOOO

[@andrb8945]

Was that Hans Niemann's new account?