Old Judo was CRIPPLING

This video discusses the old rule set of Judo and how it could potentially end a fighter's career.
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[@mrdsbp]

I started judo in 1976, kani hasami was still very legal and we were taught to get the top leg across the chest, the bottom leg just under the knees. Standing arm locks and kansetsu were also legal for adults. Back then not everyone fought shiai: it was optional. Originally, Kano never intended to make shiai part of judo. The original intent was to help people improve themselves by discovering, accepting and improving their weaknesses, and thus becoming more accepting of the shortcomings of others. Randori, where there is no winning and no losing, is like a dynamic lab to work on yourself and help others work on themselves. In shiai that is turned on its head, and while it is not necessary, shiai is a useful test. However, a lot of judoka want to compete before they are ready, physically, mentally and technically, and they hurt either themselves or others. Eliminating techniques is making judo poorer and not making judoka richer, neither technically, mentally or psychologically. There is an inherent risk to every technique (kubi nage makikomi comes to mind), which one is going to banned next?

[@johncasarino5627]

this is an interesting point

[@Clayjar444]

This person is actually knowledgeable

[@PiceaSitchensis]

Oh, that is interesting about Kano not wanting competition, it makes sense. That to me is the appeal of "old school" Okinawan Karate.

[@yourmomlovespenis]

Hopefully the one where you go on at length about a time no one remembers. Isn't your post Matlock nap coming up old timer?

[@clorerosa4204]

Wtf did u just say fam

[@joestevenson5526]

This is the Judo I got a black belt in back into the 1970s. And to me modern Judo is almost unrecognizable as Judo.

[@SamNethers]

My grandfather was a 3rd dan black belt in the 60s/70s, he opened one of the first judo schools in the north of England. My biggest role model and an unbelievably tough man.

[@SenseiEli]

Your grandfather was your sensei! Even if you were a martial student or not. He was the Sensei!

[@richmindset1259]

What’s the name of the gym and where is it at

[@SamNethers]

@@richmindset1259 I could be wrong, but I believe it was the Huddersfield judo club. Dawn Netherwood was a prominent judoka out of there (first women's world champ), she's a relative.

[@arnoldcohen1250]

The relative death of Judo dojos in the US as compared to other martial arts was to a great extent due to the legal risk. Once it spread out from hard core enthusiasts to a wider student base, injuries were not tolerated and resulted in legal action against the dojo, even though the usual contracts were supposed to protect it. This was in the 1960s, 1970s, at least in New York.

[@gerardovazquez4480]

I always wondered why it's so hard to find judo in my area. It's all bjj but luckily I found one

[@user-tz9jh6pv2j]

Nah. It's just the rising cost of things and the popularity of MMA that killed judo in the US. Even these days, judo gyms, even the very very traditional ones, don't teach strictly judo anymore. Same with boxing gyms. It's simply because of the waning popularity of both sports. I grew up in NYC and Montreal and have been doing judo since I was 5. Many judo gyms around have several BJJ sessions, SOME EVEN HAVE Muay Thai in order to attract students. Again, same with boxing, There were many prominent boxing gyms in NYC, but there are maybe 2 "real" ones left. And they have Muay Thai taught there 5 days a week.... It's simply that people gravitate more towards MMA/BJJ/Muay Thai now. That's where the money maker is. And with rent as high as it is... you cannot open a traditional strict judo gym or boxing gym and expect to pay your bills.

[@stephenballard3759]

This is true. The same was true of a lot of karate dojos, but instead of closing they changed the way they taught to eliminate falls and hard contact. When I was a serious karateka, there was nobody under rhe age of 15 in the gym.

[@mrdsbp]

@@user-tz9jh6pv2j I wonder about that. Judo in its original form was more like Sambo: strikes, kicks, leg locks, neck locks, standing arm locks and strangulations. Even if they were illegal in competition, they were still useful off the mat. The curriculum has been $ubordinated to competition in a bid to get more bodie$ into gi's, stripping the art of its martial dimensions in the process. The exclusive focus on competition has all but destroyed the notion that all techniques in judo are an expression of the five principles that govern every fight: distance, angle, timing, balance and structure.

[@Jayy_Kicks]

It's sad because I feel like this happened to a lot of traditional martial arts as they became popular.

[@ironmikehallowween]

I started in 1988. I know people make fun of some Aiki Jujitsu styles, as well as Judo, and they aren’t very well represented in MMA contests today, but many serious injuries used to occur in these arts. Today, I would feel extremely uncomfortable throwing people or applying highly aggressive joint manipulations utilizing my body weight on those that don’t know how to roll out, fall, or aren’t properly conditioned to deal with those techniques. Injuries to the wrist, neck, knees, and backs can easily occur. One second can change your life.

[@turbopowergt]

Being a Navy brat, I was lucky to have Kodokan trained Judo senseis. Randori and competition was pretty brutal.

[@jordanjmdjmd74]

Finally someone on here makes sense. I understand the skills for actual self defense are important. But people in the comments acting like grabbing someone, jumping with all their body weight while the other has their legs planted, and rolling viciously isn't dangerous as hell lol

[@samuraiservidor]

Ronda rousey smashed almost every top female fighter in the UFC, and the sambo fighters use a lot of judo throws and submision techniques!

[@bobfaam5215]

@@samuraiservidor Sambo uses catch wrestling more .

[@samuraiservidor]

@@bobfaam5215 yes, maybe some fighters in mma, but in combat sambo judo is key

[@tonipittoni5527]

I practiced judo from 1983 to 1996 yes it was rough but I never hurt myself.Then I took weightlifting and I shuttered my lower back with a deadlift

[@vincentlee7359]

Oof. Guess you did it with bad form. Are you recovered?

[@tonipittoni5527]

@@vincentlee7359 yes eventually thanks.Possibly,I have learned that free weights deadlift and squats are quite dangerous because they put lots of Pressure on the lower back.The form is important however when performing these exercises for several sets fatigue,loss of concentration kicks in,loss of balance mixed with human limitations in keeping control of all that muscles used in these exercises makes things problematic.I use machines now hack squats and sissy squats much easier for me.Judo on the other hand is a complete art.I believe that even though it’s challenging for the body,judo prepare not only the muscle but it also reinforce the connective tissue and improve flexibility thus limiting injuries.in addition to stretching sections after Judo class you can became very strong.I wish I sticked to judo.All the best.✌🏼

[@vincentlee7359]

@@tonipittoni5527 Ouch. Yeah machines are good enough

[@narcissus79]

you were deadlifting wrong then...

[@Ronnock]

Rarer has a false thing ever been said. It was not the deadlift which hurt you, but your body's lack of preparedness, not unlike in judo. Ironically, it was likely your judo training which gave you the foundation for your inevitable back injury. I am glad you're better, but please do not spread such ignorance about normal human movements.

[@mastermindmartialarts]

While I think Judo's constant rule changes are severly hurting the sport side of it, it's understandable why some of the techniques shown here have been eliminated.

[@BW022]

I did Judo in the 1980s. Kani Kasami was banned (in competitions) when I was about 15 or 16. Still, we knew and practiced it. At national level competitions, things were extremely 'rough' as you'd do borderline things such as landing on an opponent during a throw (even if you didn't need to). You can't touch their face, but if you happened to bounce their face off the mat and their neck was exposed, hey. When pulling guard, if you happened to have your knee up when rolling over and he happened to be near their groin... well... That said, the number of injuries in Judo were pretty minor vs. (US) football, rugby, gymnastics, etc. Most were also not deliberate and often in practice -- where you'd run into folks of different weight levels and you knew each other's stuff. I went back after university -- post 2000 rule change -- and it was a different sport then. The ground rules were so restrictive that to was (IMO) too far from self defense.

[@liammalarky3483]

Odd to hear 90's Judo described as old LOL. You youngsters! The Judo of the 70's could be very unforgiving, yet at the same time, very refined. Our Sempai and Sensei had been doing it since the 50's and 60's and theirs was a no nonsense style. I saw Kani Basami used often (and quite gracefully) but not Waki Gatame in randori etc, until watching this. Ouch!!!. It was taught to us for self defence but not for competition as it was so effective. Kote nage in Sumo is equally dangerous but still used today.

[@stefanschleps8758]

Thanks for sharing.

[@joco762]

That spin out from kani basami was some ninja turtle level stuff!

[@pbc_03]

We have a school here in Dallas that teaches "freestyle judo". It is a throwback to oldschool judo or jujitsu. Emphasis on grappling along with the takedowns, throws and trips. We can only compete in other freestyle judo competitions because sport judo operates under olympic rules and many of our takedowns and submissions are banned. Definitely not something for soft people who sue at the drop of a pin. Injuries will happen and we all go in knowing that reality. Great for kids unless they have over protective parents.

[@nichola9251]

friend, come to Ukraine or Russia and do sambo and do what you want there

[@rohitchaoji]

As someone who started learning martial arts in their late 20s, modern judo is still pretty brutal for me. Every time I get thrown, I keep thinking "is this it? Is this the throw that's gonna break something?"

[@ComicusFreemanius]

It's a "No guts, no glory" sort of thing I've done TKD and kung fu tricking for about fifteen years and it's really scary to huck your body, always will be.

[@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252]

@@ComicusFreemanius Huck?

[@ComicusFreemanius]

@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 That's Skateboarder for throw.

[@spacelord782]

I did judo into my 40s, and then one day got my knee destroyed. In your 20s you will probably heal. Probably.

[@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252]

@@spacelord782 What happened to your knee?

[@narcissus79]

I miss those old days of Judo.. i feel like it's been watered down so much, and now most Judo centres only teach for the tournament instead of Judo as a martial art defense.

[@glxblt-sd1ze]

99% of people missing those old days, never get injured or even step in one single competition. Judo is by far safer and most effective now (remove leg grabbing attack was a terrible mistake btw)

[@David-ty5jk]

​@@glxblt-sd1ze true it's now more no gi friendly and effective without the GI plus less Injury which in this sport leads to deaths and paralysis

[@m.g.6394]

​@@David-ty5jkThey removed leg takedowns which is freaking sad

[@m.g.6394]

​@@glxblt-sd1ze"judo is safer" it's a damn martial art it's supposed to be dangerous Muay thai is dangerous. Imagine if we made it safer by removing elbows and knees, it wouldn't be muay thai anymore. Boxing is dangerous due to brain damage well imagine if we removed head punches to make it "safer" - it wouldn't be boxing anymore When you remove things to make it safer you basically water down the sport until it becomes a shadow of it's former self.

[@RedNinja673]

I started Judo in 1992 at the age of 4. I remember paramedics being on stand by. Every tournament I saw someone leave in a neck brace. The game is definitely safer now.

[@markdaniels4178]

I do bjj and judo and i agree that certain techniques shouldn't be allowed in either sport especially Brazilian jiu-jitsu because they don't know what they ate doing and some fools from the bjj world disagree with anger.

[@yunshen]

Even now, there are paramedics on stand by in all Judo tournaments that I have been to. However I don't see someone leaving with a neck brace in everyone of them.

[@henrikg1388]

There were paramedics, but they never had to do anything. I was 19 at the time.

[@RedNinja673]

@markdaniels4178 yeah I recently crossed over into bjj. Some of the bjj players really don't understand the concept of mutual benefit like Judoka.

[@markdaniels4178]

@Red_Ninja thru surely don't, theu all think they are mma .

[@MD-jk3ol]

試合で禁止してても練習には導入しておかないと、 柔道から技が失われてしまう

[@rafaelcarrera9436]

Another very enjoyable video. It is interesting that Hidehiko Yoshida is visible in many of these clips as after his Judo career he had a noteworthy career in PrideFC where he talked about adding many of these techniques back into his training as he felt many single arm standing submissions were good options during aggressive clinching.

[@MorganMoogle]

Sakuraba’s go-to was the standing kimura.

[@geneharrogate6911]

As a BJJ player, we learnt something similar to waki-gatame in the context of self defence only. Even applied under control, its a fight stopper, and an agonising one at that. Applied explosively by an experienced judoka - with bad intentions - I could easily see shoulder / elbow surgery in someone's future.

[@davidbosnia4141]

Judo is superior

[@geneharrogate6911]

@@davidbosnia4141 Haha yep... See you on your back..

[@davidbosnia4141]

@@geneharrogate6911 24 years of judo bjj guy can try to get me on my back

[@geneharrogate6911]

@@davidbosnia4141 Ok. But I'm coming in shirtless, sweaty and slick with lotion.

[@dylan_krishna_777]

Waki gatame is dangerous man , if people in BJJ start using it many broken shoulders because there is no time to tap if done correctly.

[@mattjack3983]

As a Judo blackbelt, and lifelong grappler in general (wrestling from 4th thru highschool and 2 years of college, and BJJ for the last 12 years..no-gi mostly ), I have to admit, Judo has changed quite a bit from when I first started in 1995. We spent almost as much time doing ground grappling and submissions (Ne Waza, Katame Waza, Kansetsu Waza, etc) as we did throwing and takedown techniques (Nage Waza). There was definitely more of an emphasis on the throws and takedowns, but classes were 3 hours, 3 days a week, plus a 4th class that was for blackbelts only, and the last 45min to an hour was always spent on ground grappling and submissions. And yeah, we definitely did the scissor takedown, and there were definitely injuries from time to time. We did two different versions of it. One was a "flying" where you basically jump into the takedown..its difficult to explain but grapplers will know what i mean..and the other version was done by first planting one hand on the ground. That version is far easier to do in a more controlled manner, and safer than the flying scissor takedown, but it's definitely still possible to injury your partner, nonetheless. Scissor takedowns are best avoided, and should only be practiced by two very experienced Judokas who know what they are doing. But even, the risk of a training accident injury is still there. They are called "accidents" for a reason, after. But overall, the Judo I see being practiced now is just disappointing to me. Alot of the black belts I see would have been eaten alive back in the 90s and very early 2000s by our green belts. The schools just aren't as hard-core as they used to be, in my opinion. I know some places still exist tho where they train hard, the way we used to train, but the majority are just.....soft.

[@Юрий-г7ы5б]

Согласен на 100!% Я начал заниматься в 1983 и мроборолся до 2003 года, тренировки были всегда тяжёлыми. Но в этом и был весь смысл дзю-до. Это воспитание не только тела, но и духа.

[@mikaxo4010]

Right. You are "hard" but you have ruined knees and a broken arm.

[@Юрий-г7ы5б]

@@mikaxo4010 , в 20 лет начались проблемы с коленями и доктор посоветовал ездить не меньше 10 километров в день на велосипеде. Ездил постоянно около 6 лет и колени перестали тревожить. Сейчас мне 45 лет и меня больше беспокоят бедренные суставы и проблемы с позвоночником. Но в этом виновато не только дзю-до, но и моя работа. Я 15 лет прослужил в спецназе, а там очень много времени в тяжелом бронежилете и по 2 тренировки в день. Дзю-до всё равно лучший вид спорта.

[@mikaxo4010]

@@Юрий-г7ы5б I don't speak Russian.

[@Rawmilkandzerchers]

​@@Юрий-г7ы5б amazing. Special forces for 15 years? Was judo a part of the military training?

[@af4396]

I think these "illegal" moves should still be practiced, but in a controlled way. You can slow down the armlocks, or use a dummy for scissor takedowns. This way, you can still build muscle memory for these moves, should you ever need to use them IRL, and the expertise doesn't get completely lost, but you don't hurt unwilling participants lol. Also, MANY BJJ gyms do not allow scissor take-downs, the risk of that single take-down not being done correctly is catastrophic and not worth the risk to the students, especially since there are so many ways to take someone down (including scissor-takedown from open guard, which is safe).

[@bartofilms]

One of my first Judo Instructors quit the sport after accidentally snapping his close friend's leg during randori with kansetsu waza. It was No Joke back then. Broken bones and worse things, I witnessed. One well-known beast of a Judoka I knew of, broke 3 shoulders w. Underhook Uchimata before he was DQ'ed in a single Collegiate National Judo Tournament. (Early 1980's).

[@Veritas-dq2hs]

What's so dangerous about underhook uchi matas? Curious.

[@bartofilms]

@@Veritas-dq2hs First off, the individual I was referring to was unusually strong and had hands like baseball gloves. The undertook by itself is dangerous. With one of his opponents, he got the undertook then stepped in for uchimata. His uke was screaming in pain from the shoulder dislocation before the throw even started. Brutal. The scapula is extremely vulnerable to rotation from below in the anterior direction. In fact, some police academies teach it as a way to control a larger/heavier individual. It is easy to tear the ligaments and cartilage that hold the scapula in place. In fact, the scapula itself, when manipulated correctly, can act like a knife and rip through surrounding tissues. When a heavy-weight, strong individual applies an under hook from standing, rotating the scapula with force, then compounding said force by application of his body weight on the back of the shoulder, it doesn’t take much pressure to damage the shoulder (permanently).

[@ІгорБойко-р6х]

I understand why they banned scissors, it's for safety reasons, but why did they ban leg grabs? due to this, judo has significantly lost its positions for self-defense

[@ラーメン発情期]

サムネがどう見ても…アレなんだよなぁ… 中身は真面目に柔道の話だけど

[@take4096]

は？あなた何が言いたんですか？ 私には理解出来ないので詳しく説明して、どうぞ。

[@phoenixveal6517]

Too many of these comments are reminiscent of the “good old days”. But I’m so glad some of these throws are banned, Judo is still extremely dynamic and fun without them

[@retroghidora6767]

I think the leg grab rule(s?) should and can be updated into two newer rules, a "no two hands on a single leg takedown rule" and a "no locked hands leg takedowns" This would allow classic techniques like kata guruma and kibisu gaeshi while still banning more wrestling based attacks like locked hands doubles or single leg attacks that start with running the pipe.

[@henrikg1388]

That is the politically accepted way of approaching it that may work, but leg grabs in all forms were legal for decades, so there were never a problem to begin with. Judo is a gi-sport and people can learn to sprawl.

[@dubstepXpower]

What's wrong with wrestling?

[@36424567254]

the ONLY problem with leg grabs is if people spam them without gripping, e.g. shoot before the opponent can even take grips. But that is easily solved. In freestyle judo you can leg grab, but only after you made at least a grip, so you can't just refuse to grip up forever. So easy. I cannot begin to understand why Olympic judo didn't do that if the constant shoots were the problem (as opposed to having to re-design/market judo for tv, likely the real reason).

[@クラブー]

最初野獣先輩に見えた

[@bentinho]

These retrospectives are fascinating. @4:44, that's one of the counters we use in capoeira for a scissor takedown. You immediately turn inside and kick over with the rear leg while putting your inside hand down and reaching up and over with the outside hand. If done cleanly it leaves the other person completely on their back. You still have to step out with whatever leg is inside (as it's still between their legs and can be grabbed with the hands/hooked with the feet) but they're also in a position to be kicked in the face with your freed leg.

[@見咲詞条]

野獣先輩かと思った方はハートを乱打しませい

[@yuki.6304]

サムネが大先輩なんよ笑

[@hardcore6590]

昔の柔道は野獣先輩だった

[@やまゆう-g2v]

柔道じゃなくて迫真空手

[@ゴルゴンゾルゲ-j9v]

サムネが野獣先輩に見えた

[@FreitasStr]

The Scissor sweep is not allowed in Jiu jitsu, as stated in the 1st minute.

[@miketesla8550]

This makes me much more realize that any effective martial artist is a living weapon as deadly or crippling as a firearm, bow, or knife. And, as such, with great destructive power comes great responsability. Not everyone cares, as you can see.

[@johnpittsii7524]

Thanks for the amazing video

[@amazu_gobou]

サムネだけを見るとどうしても淫夢にしか見えない

[@fernandohsantos]

Crippling is an exaggeration. Some techniques were clearly too dangerous, such as Kani-Basami, yes. But it's a contact sport, so there will always be a degree of danger involved. Especially in high-level competition, where it's at its maximum intensity. All sports are like this. Go see how many injuries athletes have playing volleyball or tennis, just to mention two non-contact sports.

[@anthonyluisi7096]

I still believe the forbidden techniques should still be taught but done safely to learn for self defense situations … any thoughts ? What say you ?

[@EdgarMHernandez96]

They still practice them in Brazillian jui jitsu but you can't do em at comps for the same reason. Our art too is slowly being watered down.

[@EE-od6qm]

@@EdgarMHernandez96 These are RARELY taught in BJJ! Any instructor that shows these is just teaching a Dick move to his students. Have fun counting your students as they walk out the door with injuries and legal action!

[@blastmonster8973]

サムネ左が野獣先輩にしか見えないんだよなぁ

[@Couch-Tomato]

元の動画をどこで手に入れましたか？これはおそらく20年ぐらい前のテレビの番組で、VTRを見てるのは、吉田秀彦、石井館長、関根勤です。

[@himiko0008]

サムネが野獣なんよ

[@kumajirou777]

サムネで日本の野獣先輩と勘違いしたわw

[@igaguri9128]

アッーー！！

[@gehwissen3975]

I started in 1972 at the age of 10 and stopped competing in 1992. I've seen more broken elbows from idiots who didn't know when they were done than accidents from dangerous techniques. As far as I know, levers in the standing position were also forbidden in the transition to the ground.

[@marty6522]

I used to use jump spinning kani-basami in Karate demos many times back in the 80's. I scissored hard so they landed flat on their back---I never injured anyone with it.

[@henrikg1388]

Does anyone but me remember that it was used by the progenitor in the final karate tournament in the original Karate kid?

[@36424567254]

it's very easy to do against a collaborative partner. The majority of injuries happen when the opponent tries to resist too much and his leg gets twisted at the knee, OR if you mis-execute the technique and basically fall with your bodyweight on the opponent's knee.

[@mapcec593]

"SELF DEFENSE WITH JUDO, how to destroy your opponent´s body" or something like that this video should be called. This techniques were banned for very good reasons unlike others unjustified banned such as reverse seoi nage or sukui-nage.

[@mrd2392]

Ramsey duwey made a perfect statement about wrestling: you play wrestl because if you do it serious, somebody will get hurt

[@豆腐さん-t3k]

サムネが野獣先輩に見えてしまった

[@ivanyonish]

Old school never dies.

[@Bert-Kay]

*throws someone waiting for the bus* “Ever”

[@kagenoshinobimono]

Thank you for creating this video! Due to the periodic rule changes, past matches look so different than modern ones.

[@anthonywarrior9990]

This is such a great dedicated video, thank you.

[@anibaluriarte3676]

Taking out dangerous throws makes judo the cream de la cream . It must be safe first amendment. Allowing softer techniques and pointing them is just how things evolve today.

[@BS-rp8xe]

サムネが野獣先輩すぎる

[@carzoparazzo9698]

The leg grab wasnt removed cos it was dangeours, it was removed cos judoka didnt apply techniques at all, and match also doesnt last so much. So it was removed just for the show. But Im agree that any knee technique should be removed from competition of any sport.

[@dianecenteno5275]

Thank you! I started Jujutsu / Judo in the late 80's. Much different than today😮 😔

[@David-ty5jk]

You took both ju jutsu and judo? How was it was there anything in ju jutsu that differed from judo or was it just more time spent on submissions and back?

[@andocrates]

I learned in the 60s when i was 10. Judo was for combat not exhibition. I have used ippon seoi nage 3 times in real fights with much larger men. All three times i was able to escape the situation by running away. But i learned a military style judo. Get them high as you can and drop them on their head if you can. Not sorry, i am too small to start fights and the guys who do are bullies. So tough shit if you get hurt. Now in my 60s judo is invaluable to fall safely.

[@Baucelion]

I started judo 8 months ago and I dislocated my shoulder a month ago. I’m quitting, I can’t risk to keep injuring at my age.. but love the art and sport

[@robindifo4972]

Where there’s a will there’s a way. So stop being a punk

[@Ronnock]

Man, same here. I'm tempted to move to JJ just so I'm not thrown anymore.

[@alexpointon784]

Try BJJ. Less falling. Although it's still not exactly gentle!

[@maxhatush5918]

How old are you?

[@oneDonly]

Just find a school that focuses more on technique

[@keithwollenberg5237]

I was a judoka who practiced and competed when those techniques were legal. I think the dangers of kami-basami and waki-gatame are overstated. I was on the giving and receiving end of both many times without even a near-miss on an injury. With respect to the former, it is only dangerous if the top leg is on or around the knee, so all they had to do was make the rule that a) the bottom leg had to catch both of uke's legs, and b) the top leg also had to catch both legs, as well as contact the skirt of the jacket. (i.e., the way that Yoshida did it in the video. You will note that Kano was not injured by that attack.) With respect to the latter, it has always been illegal to just break a limb without giving uke a chance to tap. So you saw at 3:49 that tori was disqualified. The other rule tori broke was that you're not supposed to combine a joint-lock with a throw; it's just one or the other. I'd be happy to make the penalty for actually breaking a limb harsher, (e.g. disqualified for as season or two), but if tori is exercising reasonable care, (i.e. not diving, which is another element they could have made illegal while leaving the technique in place), wki-gatame is no more dangerous than many other elbow locks. I would also like to note that clearly, safety is not the IJF's primary motivation in deciding what techniques to ban or to keep, as they have not touched two techniques that in my observation and experience are far more dangerous. One is the Neal Adams style tai otoshi (as opposed to a Mifune style tai otoshi), which is dangerous to both tori and uke. The other is o-soto-gari, which, if done otherwise correctly but at an unfortunate angle, can really chew up a knee. Fortunately, the way competition has evolved, the versions of these throws that actually enjoy success in high-level tournaments are not dangerous, but the IJF would have been wiser to ban the dangerous versions of these techniques so that they are no longer taught at the club level. And, as Chadi noted, upper body attacks to the legs were never noted as being dangerous at all.

[@obscurelines]

Got my BB in 1996. Everyone was injured all the time. It wasn't the best. Plus I was literally just double-legging the world (morotegari). Good times.

[@Veritas-dq2hs]

How far you get? Rhadi Ferguson was a beast with the morote

[@peironepablo]

kani basami is not allowed in Jiu Jitsu; it is only in ADCC and other "no-gi" competitions

[@grimsbybrazilianjiu-jitsu7423]

It's allowed in Gi competition at black belt in some organisations just not IBJJF, they aren't the only gi organisation in the world.

[@peironepablo]

@@grimsbybrazilianjiu-jitsu7423 well... It is not allowed in ibjjf, cbjje, cbjjo, uaejjf and ajp, so most organisations do not allow it. Maybe some small local competitions do allow it but I wouldn't count them. Do you have any example where it does?

[@grimsbybrazilianjiu-jitsu7423]

@@peironepablo SJJIF allows it at brown and black belt.

[@taekonjudo]

"Old judo" this could be cool "today we're back to the 1990s" OK don't come for me like that

[@HittokiriBatosai]

😂

[@lancegoulet8100]

You don't have an example of the "worst" way people did Kani Basami. Instead of trying to jump up and get the scissor throw, they would jump butt first into your knee and cause your knee to buckle inward. This was more an attempt to tear someone's ACL and less of an attempt to throw them. But if your opponent couldn't continue, then they lost.

[@emt5330]

Kani basami was banned due to Yamashita having his leg broken by it. He was the golden boy of judo at the time, and they changed the rule to protect him.

[@lancegoulet8100]

One of the reasons Kani Basami was banned is to keep Yasuhiro Yamashita's undefeated record intact. He lost a match when he was injured do to a Kani Basami. They now have reversed that loss saying it was due to an illegal technique. You were able to do standing arm locks and strangles, but you could not apply an arm lock or strangle while attempting a throw. I started judo in 1979 and yes, it was a little more brutal then.

[@waterbottlecrinkle6973]

That scissor sweep into leg lock is what I won my first bjj tournament match with

[@Osprey1994]

Taking care of your sparring partners is important. I see people making fun of the grappling disciplines because they don't have striking. Yet just recently I watched a video of a guy having his neck broken while rolling in BJJ, he is paralyzed from the neck down for life...absolutely ruined because of a moment of carelessness.

[@rockingroli2057]

Those Waki Gatames were against the spirit of Judo. There was no control when the armlocks were applied and they were fully aware that the joints good get damaged, when executing the "throws"

[@stephenballard3759]

I feel the same. Even in BJJ and Sub. Grappling competition. A snap move designed to instantly injure someone without control or the possibility of a tap, is the same kind of cheap-shot an eye poke or throat punch is in striking competition. We learned a lot of these standing yank-and-break in traditional karate and Chin Na, too, but save it for the streets.

[@otriura]

一部獣道みたいなのを感じる

[@allstarprintlab2675]

I started judo in 1987 it was rough but i lived long enough. 3 year later in 1990 I was born and came out ok.

[@veo16]

Did judo in the 2000s and it was great exercise. But by then there were a lot of rules. No this, no that. Lots and lots of rules to prevent injury and hurting your opponent.

[@R24bert]

In jiu jitsu, kanibasami was banned.

[@fightingstuff17]

Yoshida was a badass I remember him from Pride

[@roden2208]

Kani hasami is allowed in SAMBO, but I have rarely seen it in SAMBO. Few people used it during my active competition - 1999-2005

[@sushinfudoshin8991]

I am so grateful to be old enough to have learned and practiced during these years. The judo as it is practiced is so foreign to me, borderline disgusting.

[@Sidewinder528]

Guess you would have to go to Japan now to get some real unadulterated Judo training.

[@m.g.6394]

I wanted to learn old school judo but I'm not sure if I will ever learn it since I live in the States 😐

[@m.g.6394]

​@@Sidewinder528there's no old school judo in the states?

[@akigamyl]

壊滅的と言うより圧倒的とか破壊的ってタイトルの方が良いと思いますね。

[@remuskiljunen6570]

We need these back to judo

[@ignitionfrn2223]

0:45 - Kani basami 1:50 - Standing Waki gatame 4:40 - Rivalries

[@Drikkerbadevand]

4:37 I agree, excellent spinout, but notice how close it got to him getting his knee ripped apart.. The entire weight of his opponent on his right knee which could easily get locked in place, when it is forced into the mat while he's being pulled perpendicular (a way the knee DOES NOT GO).. If he was caught more unprepared, or it was done more recklessly, or from a different angle, or from an opponent with worse technique, it could have ended badly.. The same mechanism are behind alot of tani-o toshi injuries btw.. Perpendicular force applies to the knee when someone is throwing from a bad angle

[@taltezy2941]

Started in 1990 and still love the sport/art (even with the rules changed).

[@markusknorr6497]

I started Judo in 1980 at the age of 10. It was harder than today but still much safer than football (soccer), handball and so on. Far less serious injuries. The higher up you fought the lower the risk of injury because well executed techniques are far less crippling than raw power with less technique.

[@gladiumcaeli]

Controversial opinion, I'm glad they took the leg attack out. If they didn't, judo wouldn't be in the Olympics and we might have much fewer practitioners today. You have to remember, even wrestling was in danger of being kicked out of the Olympics around that time. Another thing due to MMA and the popularity of BJJ, there might be a chance of the art dying out. I believe there should be more than just the IJF (Olympic judo), that would be the easiest way of bringing leg grab into competition, you can also just practice it in your dojo.

[@henrikg1388]

It was only Greco-Roman that was considered to be expelled from the Olympics, and to be frank, it isn't very interesting to watch. It shouldn't be cut anyway, but judo are miles away and a freer approach wouldn't make it worse.

[@Clayjar444]

Maybe not being in the Olympics would be better for judo nowadays...

[@bobfaam5215]

@@henrikg1388 Even Olympic Freestyle wrestling has no submission holds or locks . Just pins and takedowns . Original catch wrestling has lots of brutal submission holds and locks .

[@michaeltreadwell837]

Got my black belt back in the 90s with the ljs london some very hard training back then😊

[@steu01]

Kani basami è una tecnica di judo e deve essere praticata. Non è più pericolosa di altre. Invece, le vaccate dell'attuale "judo" olimpico non sono affatto judo e stanno distruggendo la credibilità dell'opera di Kano.

[@kalebclemons]

thank u again for all the content chadi

[@mcdonnellbobcat]

My hats off to anyone who sticks with this martial art . The injuries can be life changing , especially as you and your opponent acquire legit skills. I will just stick with BJJ ( The gentle art..lol)

[@Hipp0campus]

The better the skills the less serious injuries I would say. Except wear and tear on your joints from hard training of course. The people who tear ligaments or break bones during randori are usually guys with < 3 years experience.

[@behindtheseeyesiseewhatyou8953]

As a 48 year old USA State Level Games winner x2 I can attest I need both hips replaced. I started in 1988.

[@semimaru4]

サムネ、野獣先輩かな？

[@mathieumansire372]

thats is nasty to break an arm like that but in a real life situation is exactly what you need to do

[@lukina331]

サムネが野獣先輩

[@chrishawley691]

I agree my dad was a judoka in the 60s , 70s and early 80s, and I still have his old books by Anton Jensing and half the techniques are no longer applicable, to the pint now my dad can't watch judo anymore as its doesn't resemble his own experience, he prefers gij ju-jitsu as it resembles older judo !

[@EE-od6qm]

I have to disagree with you. Gi Jiu Jitsu is not focused on injuring your partner like these old Judo techniques.

[@amck72]

Guys, when they say Judo has been watered down in this generation, this is what they mean.

[@aymanabaza6475]

Love Traditional Japanese Ju Jitsu. The joint locks are great we cross train Traditional Japanese Ju Jitsu with our Judo

[@jasonpoilovs4903]

As of right now we are encouraged not to do Kani Basami in BJJ… I’m not sure if it’s illegal. I’ve seen some guys post a hand on the mat prior to engaging the high-low scissor action with the legs. You lose some control but it makes the technique safer… I’m 6’2” 220 lbs (99.78kg) I’ve never even tried this 😅

[@マンモー二世]

サムネが先輩にしか見えん.....

[@francisbugarin4206]

I love the SALONPAS ads in the background.

[@philipchin3589]

jujitsu kendo karate used to be one in old japan for a samurai

[@yeahbee8237]

My game was heavily focused on russian grips and single/double legs. Judo was no fun for me after the rule changes

[@GordaoSemFuturo]

In which jiu jitsu academy did you see it being used? My teacher and some internet practitioners i've seen highlighted the fact that this move isnt accepted exact by the fact that it destroy the life of the other competitor/fighter.

[@hikerfrantz5829]

So all techniques were banned and modern judo just became a Shoulder Throw competition. It is nonsense to ban the technique by considering the dangers in martial arts. If that's the case, boxing would have to be a competition of foot work, with all kinds of punches banned.

[@user-vg8ls2jn4i]

With all due respect, the Jiu Jitsu tournaments in my area do not allow the scissor takedowns.

[@MickPope]

Not IBJJF legal

[@k0smonauta372]

Kani-basami é banido do Jiu Jitsu esportivo, quando comecei no BJJ já conhecia essa técnica da capoeira (eles chamam de tesoura) e o meu mestre disse que a técnica não era permitida em nenhuma faixa.

[@Aaron-bd9sj]

It's banned in almost all jiu-jitsu tournaments. It's legal in ADCC though.

[@flowrepins6663]

​@@Aaron-bd9sj is hard to have the chance to do it also, you need yo get oponent sideways

[@Aaron-bd9sj]

@@flowrepins6663 Garry Tonon hit in ADCC 2019