Old vs New: I Put Air Suspension On My Wrangler & Drove It Up a Mountain. Does It Change The Game?

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[@CraigSmith568]

I thought from the title it was going to be a new one compared to a 20 year old one. This is a brand new compared to a new one.

[@marcg.3830]

The thumbnail for the video should have gave it away!

[@bryandale7125]

Yes, this is very lame.

[@Mrcharlie509]

Technically,they mean floating axle vs no floating axles wrangler

[@Master-Blaster-4x4]

i was duped!

[@backwoodstherapy]

More like traditional, old coil spring vs air suspension. New vehicle, but old tech.

[@mcwendel8066]

Tommy you transformed into your dad overnight, not sure if that’s good or bad 😂 Great video!

[@brandonstewart7145]

Great video guys!!! My only complaint is you forgot to let us hear that 392, you told us how good it sounds but every obstacle you went over with it you had that darn music playing 😂!! Keep up the good work fellas!!

[@vikasverma7667]

I have the 21 JL and it doesn't seem like I am missing out on much compared to the 23 or ,24!

[@JarmelSingsKaraoke]

👏👏 Good job Tommy, Kase and the TFL CAMERA NINJA....Have a beautiful Sunday everyone ✌️

[@alanpilibosian1979]

Great vid! I have to admit I give you guys some crap about your video comparisons and tests but this one was really well done! You gave me a very "apples to apples" comparison, a great off-road video and a video with some beautiful scenery. This was the TFL Trifecta! Thanks for starting my day off the right way!

[@chrisinutahpagano6774]

He said long gone are the days when jeeps were simple and light weight. That light weight part is why they went everywhere without all the expensive goodies. But of course the goodies are sweet too just very heavy and can prevent them from going over stuff without a battle against gravity

[@monoslukos]

I really wish people would stop platforming the 392. We should be protesting the fact that Jeep is creating a $95k Wrangler. Not drooling over it. We are creating our future.

[@kingof9x]

They both look like new jeeps

[@robervin9107]

This was wholesome and everything I asked for with tommy and kase Friendship togetherness. And teamwork This means a lot to me. Thank you guys. Also tommy hope the two door jeep you have is doing well. I hope you did not get rid of it. love you guys a lot keep up the awesome work

[@MM-cs2rt]

What are you a betazoid?

[@strangerdanger8462]

​@@WW-wf8tuOr maybe the video addressed things that would help him make a purchase decision. The OP clearly has a life. That's why he isn't spending time on YT tracking what Tommy did with the 2 door Jeep. Perhaps you should take your own advice, Mr. Know- it-all😅

[@krisorendorff]

I just acquired, my Very First (ever) Jeep Wrangler.... And I'm Totally Diggin' IT !! [A 2024 V6 four-door automatic]

[@austinspitler32]

Really enjoyed this video! Looks like a great trail and loved seeing these Jeeps doing their thing!

[@doublebackagain4311]

Pretty sure the folks at Accuair loaned you the red Rubicon for the Summer? So you did not really "put air suspension on your Wrangler" as per the title? Words matter, friends. Great video tho, amazing the difference an inch can make. (That's what SHE said lol)

[@LGHTSPD675]

RZR driver: "How much further until we get off this fire road and onto the trail?"

[@larrywebster]

Great Vid! we need to hear that 392 on the trail in Offroad+ mode. Jeeps just showing off why they are so amazing offroad. Gotta love it.

[@javierlugo259]

Many Thanks Guys for always making the best Off Road Videos.......Jeep is King!

[@hughwolfe1176]

Great comparison, thank you for taking the time to put this video together… I love that air suspension system, seems like the perfect option for those that want a lifted Jeep to maneuver around/over obstacles while still being able to park in your garage.

[@wipandco]

It’s not a comparison, it’s an ad.

[@hughwolfe1176]

@@wipandcolooks like it was produced by “The Fast Lane Car” not the manufacturer of the air suspension system… But everyone’s entitled to their opinions.

[@wesalexander2693]

Really great video, Guys, enjoyed watch your trek up a rugged mountain. Both Jeeps are incredible, but that air suspension is amazing, Jeep should consider adding it to the options list! My wife has a '22 392 Wrangler and she absolutely loves it. Me, I've got just the wimpy 3.6 V6 Rubicon Gladiator and, as much as I like it, come on jeep, give us the 392 in a Gladiator!

[@chriswagner9573]

Was planning on heading up Red Cone in 2 weeks for the first time this year, perfectly timed video! Great TFL content as usual

[@DriveAmerican]

More content like this, please. In-depth trail reviews are where TFL shines. The 2020 Trailboss, Rebel, Gladiator series. The TRX long-term ownership. I want that 392.

[@williamlee7782]

ORO makes an air suspension for the JK and JL. There just wasnt enough real life feedback to convince me to buy one. I love the automatic ride heights on the highway and auto level when at campgrounds. Good to see other companies offer this.

[@leondrolet8695]

Kase! Favorite TFL host.

[@joelmora2826]

No it's Andre

[@TommyKinsey1972]

great video guys

[@davidwebster3510]

I like that you share videos with everyday driving vehicles.

[@270billjones]

Great video!

[@coolvibes3663]

I wish Jeep would make seats as nice as Ford did with the Bronco. So glad to hear about the updates to their present platform, but hope they give us BETTER SEATS. Still holding off buying one.

[@r23w]

Tommy looks ripped!

[@ferkdizzle]

Love your Red Cone videos

[@fourtraxer]

Drive it like it's a loaner!! 🤣😂🤣

[@mlow42]

As soon as they said the 392 was $30,000 more, checked out. These prices are ridiculousl.

[@doublebackagain4311]

A V8 swap couldn't be done for $30K. Still crazy money tho-

[@is6566]

If you look at the RAM 1500 configurator on the official RAM ordering site then you can see that upgrading from the V6 to the 5.7L V8 HEMI is less than $3,000 (I know it’s 5.7 not 6.4 but it’s a V8). Considering that the 6.4 can’t be more than maybe $4,000 more than the V6 pentastar. And they still make money on it. The $30,000 is a total ripoff from the factory. Their profit margin is probably $25,000 on the engine upgrade alone! Plus another $30,000 probably on the rest of the Jeep. Pretty healthy profit margins right there.

[@Ruddline]

Of course its a corporate decision to tie in the V8 to all the other crap as incentive to get people to spend its pretty lame but.

[@JollyGiant19]

@@is6566It’s not that the V8 is a rip off, it’s that the RAM V6 at the regular price is a rip off That same V8 as a crate engine costs 5.6k, not 2.5k

[@jlg6672]

Great video content as usual guys. Love these two rigs. In the market for a Rubicon in the next couple of years myself. Will we get to see the 392 at Cottonwood Creek?

[@Bucksandkids]

Deceptive title, old vs new 😮 I was hoping for a 95 versus 2023 or 2024. 😊

[@aarongerman7857]

Really wish you guys would talk about the T case on the 392. It's 2.72:1 vs the 4:1 on the v6/4cyturbo (4xe also the 2.72:1) that makes a huge difference off road when crawling. in addition, it's a clutch pack and they're breaking down at 30k miles. Jeep didn't really build the 392 to off road (the clutch pack and t-case..which is there because they didn't want to spend the money to install dana 60 axles on which is necessary to run 2HI with 470HP) and look at that exhaust and shock tower mounts! The whole thing was a way to grab cash to sell more compass crap.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

Wish you guys would have brought the AEV(that you bought) as well to compare...

[@rockoq173]

Would love to see you run this trail with your Willy’s!

[@byronlarson5534]

I am jealous and would love to have your jobs....That is quite the trail and two impressive off road machines.

[@markspence3750]

I remember you popping those tires.

[@Mako2-1]

6:50 showcases exactly what an extra 5,000 lbs of weight does for you. The hummer’s 10,000 lbs and had trouble going up that same obstacle

[@GATORADDAM]

Finally a great video with Tommy and Kase! (Been kinda boring over there). Looks like Tommy's been hitting the weights.

[@LukeEdward]

Great video. Interesting subject material. Cool location. …but I would rather see content involving Tommy’s manual Jeep.

[@bluceree7312]

That's what I thought - that they added the Accuair to his small Willys Jeep. Alas its a new expensive unaffordable rig they got there.

[@scottgabbard662]

@@bluceree7312yeah, I thought Tommy had modded his Willys, too bad.

[@garysarratt1]

Tommy sold that awhile back.

[@grisa12345]

may I suggest investing in Thors Lightning for airing down and up faster and more consistently. I have been using it for awhile (and just did red cone yesterday!) and it’s worth every penny.

[@PhillyDee215]

Couldn't go wrong with neither Jeep💪

[@PhillyDee215]

@@WW-wf8tu makes sense.....

[@invasion1824]

After installing air suspension on a jeep JL, can you upgrade to 37” tires?

[@MichaelButlerNorcal]

What PSI were you running the tires on most of the day?

[@bruceklassen8261]

Loved it

[@MaryandTheJeepCycle]

Jeeps Jeeps and more Jeeps! OlllllllO love it!! Great job as always TFL your camera angles are amazing! What mics do you use on your shirts?🎤

[@thomascampbell763]

Been watching TFL truck for years and seems like I’ve been missing out on a lot of good content by not watching TFL car

[@Gabriel-fh8ms]

What are the little extra things on the fender flares?

[@tanner_ij]

Needed the mic by the exhaust on the downhill. Those 392s burble pretty good when you engine brake them like that.

[@larrywebster]

put it in Offroad+ and its even better... 🤙

[@shadowswordairsofteast]

Are those 35s the load range E 10 ply or the load range C KO2s?

[@johndc7446]

The new grille designs are cool but it would also be cool to have a metallic version of this 2024 jeep wrangler grille similar to jeep wrangler 2023 grilles.

[@Evan_Land]

Which is better for Colorado trails??? I’m looking to buy a new Jeep, but debating between a 4 door with 35’s or a 2 door with 33’s. I like the shorter wheelbase of a 2 door, but I’m wondering if a tail like Red Cone will be better with the clearance of 35’s.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Colorado is easy, either are fine. 4 door with 35s is equivalent to what I can do with a 2 door with 33s. However, my Jeep Liberty on 29s could still do most of Colorado’s trails including red cone. It’d just be a little harder, but it’s really easy in a wrangler.

[@letterpool]

Great commercial, no cap. Outta my price range but if it wasn't I'd be on that for my JL pretty quick. Any free sets kickin around? LoL

[@leenichols132]

I think the 392 can’t tow as much is because of two things - cooling capacity and AWD transfer case. Part of the tow rating test is for the engine to stay cool up a 11.4 mile 5% grade on a 100 deg day. If the engine can’t cool enough, rating is reduced. Same reason a diesel Gladiator had a lower tow rating than the V6.

[@jlsgarage872]

Everyone gets the 4 door wrangler but it is such a struggle bus compared to a 2 door or alot of older short wheelbase offroadera

[@Carl-vx9ws]

Old would be comparing JKU to newest JLU, here the comparison is drivetrain in two JLUs where the differences are a shorter list. ✌🏼

[@Project_Delusions]

What's up with the Hummer? Haven't seen it in a while

[@MM-cs2rt]

Steve Gutenberg hasn’t aged a day.

[@ruimachado8560]

A walk in the park for a Rubicon, and Solid Axles forever

[@bryanlorang417]

As awesome as these are here's my problem. The powertrains. The 392 is crazy expensive and more than likely will never get used like this. The turbo 4 & Pentastar are OK but when you get 35's on them, you'll be wanting more power. Not everyone will want the 4xe and these get spendy too. BTW this was great vid and I wish you'd do more runs on this trail.

[@gabrielback5615]

Agreed, in the Rams the upgrade from V6 to the 5.7 V8 is approximately $2500. That would be plenty more engine at an acceptable price and Im sure it would be a very popular option in the Jeeps.

[@northerntoyota7584]

@@gabrielback5615Hurricane I6 now maybe will get shoehorned into the wrangler

[@larrywebster]

I had the 2.0 Turbo i4 in my 2019 JL on 37s before I bought my 2023 392(also on 37s) and I thought it did fantastic here in Colorado. Plenty of power, and great MPG for a Jeep with a 3.5" lift and 37s. I had the opportunity to run up the Ike a few times with it and it was by far the best vehicle I have driven up both sides of it with. That being said, I haven't driven my 392 out there yet, so the jury is out on that one. I do I love the power and the way the 392 sounds though so I think for me it will be king... :)

[@anthonymrskipt9252]

The Jeeps are great, of course, but the mountain goats were the coolest part about this video!

[@scottyellis3442]

Six foot & seat is in it's furthest position?? Then someone 6'5 probably couldn't fit at all. But as always great review. I really envy you guy's for the job that you have, I'm sure there's more behind the scene that we don't see but what i do see is great.

[@christianglaude6659]

I thought the 24 had integrated air compressor in the tailgate?? Guess Not

[@kevinmyers4437]

Nice video! I like your comment, is the Jeep better than a horsee? You be the judge. 🤠 First things first, get that V-8 horsee out there with the Jeep 392……..

[@carlosrojas5206]

The 2024 ❤

[@logan594]

Anyone with wrangler have issue with the rear gate making knocking noise. Cant figure out what is causing it, bounce on lock latch maybe?

[@VenturaIT]

My ZJ can tow 6500lbs and has a V8 and weights 3790lbs which is about 1500lbs less than the Wrangler V8 and I can sleep in the back easily.

[@bryanCLXT]

the connection between Florida and Colorado is mindblowing. my wife still has her Colorado license since we had to move back to Florida during covid and to see Florida plates on alot of the cars u guys test

[@RCPhotosVideos]

Does Tommy still have his Willys ?

[@AlanTrades]

What are those air down valve stems? Do they automatically air down to 20 psi?

[@journeywithstu7199]

If they are Staun brand, then factory setting is 18 psi, but you can adjust to 20 or whatever you like.

[@jasongarry8222]

37 inch tires would give a similar advantage without adding the complexity and failure points of an air suspension. I'm a fan of bigger tires and less lift should equal clearance with stability. I've driven multiple Wranglers with the 4cyl turbocharged motor and in my opinion it's the best engine option for performance/value. The only downside is it can't be had with a manual transmission.

[@chrisdooley1184]

I thought when you said old you meant late 90’s vs 2024 not a 2023 vs 2024 Tommy lol. Interesting video but would like to see a proper old vs new comparison on this trail

[@UncleRufus518]

Tommy, when do you think we will see the Hurricane in the Wrangler?

[@mattheviewer]

Very interesting, but am surprised a dinosaur solid axle has better articulation than an independent suspension. Any particular reason why this is true?

[@JollyGiant19]

TL; DR IFS is limited by pivot throw length in a way axels are not. IFS is simply limited in articulation due to throw length of the pivot point. You can make it longer to compensate for this (see RCLT HD) but then it starts cutting into the advantage of IFS in the first place: on road handling. A solid axel has much great throw length due to the length and since it’s solid, you can do giant (4+ inches defined here) lifts that IFS just can’t do without expensive and extensive modifications. It’s often cheaper and easier to convert an IFS vehicle to a front solid axel instead of doing those modifications.

[@trailrunnah8886]

IFS was never put on 4x4s for off-road performance, it was to make them better ON road. One of the reasons the solid axle works so well is that as one wheel is pushed up, the opposite wheel is pushed down. Some IFS systems work better than others, from watching a lot of these videos. It looks like the Bronco IFS flex is more than say a Toyota IFS, but neither will ever come close to the articulation of a solid axle. Once you start modding them, the differences become even greater. I'll just add to this that purpose built off-road vehicles and UTV type. Things are an exception to this, since they do not need to have any compromises made for on-road performance. An IFS system on something like a Baja truck has basically nothing in common with the IFS on the front of say a Tacoma.

[@Btn_Path]

Idk what it was, but in this video, the skipping was easily noticeable and bothering. Nonetheless, excellent video!

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

Oh gee, more Jeep content from TFL. Who would've guessed?

[@fourtraxer]

And we love it :)

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

I definitely love it! They have like 10 different channels, I’m pretty sure the others don’t cover a lot of Jeep stuff. This is the off-road channel, right?

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

​@@coloradomallcrawlersyou don't even know what channel you're watching?😂 This is Car and they do A LOT of Jeep coverage in all of them.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

@@wilmarbarrick3194 guess it is the car channel, but bring it on! Put Jeeps on all 10 of their channels!

[@temuujindashlkhagva7594]

Im not sure if anyone said it. I would have loved to see level 3 on suspension. But still appreciate and thank you

[@temuujindashlkhagva7594]

Im just as a personally would have loved to see level three suspention after the comparison. Thats what im saying.

[@edydaou]

Can the accuair system be used to level the jeep if you have a roof tent ?

[@thisguy2659]

Yeah the first video they did on the system with the CEO, they discuss that. They even mention you can use the app and do it from inside the tent via Bluetooth

[@vancitycoaster]

After I spend 7 k on a Jeep it won’t fit in the garage door but the air ride you could drop it.🤔 I’d still drag my ass over rocks in a V8 any day though. Neat ride guys.

[@stanleynowak9325]

What's a Bronco?

[@mikethompson7406]

I don't understand why people say Red Cone is so scary. I didn't think it was anything bad at all, another day in the stock JLUR. Keep driving a little further and go over to Radical Hill and then ride Red Cone again. The first time I ran Red Cone, everyone told me, "it's so steep and scary coming down, ahhhh you're gonna die! 4-Lo it's so scary!" We got down the hill and I said, "was that it or are we not there yet?"

[@randomcommentary6099]

“Made it down that first part and the Jeep totally killed it.” Most importantly, that first scariest part didn’t kill Tommy.

[@Stuka87]

The 392 can't tow extra because the axles are already at their limits with the power it puts out, much less the extra load of a trailer.

[@PerHansa75]

Great footage, nice job! Love my 392--have to admit though, I stick to the trails that won't risk scarring things up underneath.

[@AlanTrades]

You should've got the manual transmission

[@BBlackmen]

Because that's the one thing that the Wrangler should have all the time his air suspension to lift it up even higher over Rock clearances

[@lidolf8168]

Great video I enjoyed watching it. I live in Idaho and recently became a bus driver and as part of my training I had to take a bus down to a park which has a very sheer incline up and down and leaving the bus in 1st gear it was terrifying driving down the pass.

[@ladyrose3285]

So, a one year difference makes the Jeep old. I guess my 2006 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited is ancient LOL

[@canalesivany]

Good thing both comes with multiple stops to the shop 😂

[@bradcomis1066]

$90k+ Wrangler with aftermarket air or $7000 LR3 with factory air? 🤠

[@nativegalways]

Strong genetics fr

[@stevewilcoxson7173]

The 392 you are driving has a tire size of 315/70R17 witch is a 34" tire Diameter. 🚙

[@mitchelljude4198]

i have owned jeeps but i like the new bronco better more room inside of it. went to buy a new jeep tryed it out and tryed out the bronco wildtrack ended up buying the bronco because of more room inside

[@SLSAdventurrs]

The bronco should be compared to a Toyota. There's no reason to compare Apples and oranges. The jeep out performs off road by far. Great video

[@marlowswindow]

The truth is you could’ve put an 05 wrangler next to this and I wouldn’t of been able to tell the difference

[@sylvain65]

Which Jeep rides better?

[@chrisinutahpagano6774]

The bronco is dope but it's too big and heavy

[@michaelmeyers1827]

I think they did

[@HipRapBlack7]

My JK is a dinosaur now.. 😢

[@sengle928]

Old Jeep? I was expecting a CJ