Old vs New Off-Road Review: Which Jeep Wrangler Is The One to Buy?

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Thanks for Watching. BTW: You Can Also watch Tommy's NewJeep Wrangler JL Buyer's Guide here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6LZaqh4abB4aLs

[@davidnichols7485]

The Fast Lane Car I just picked up my 2015 jk 33s same bumper and a 12000 lb winch loving it

[@Sig721Tau]

You guys forgot about the EcoDiesel option.

[@motometalracer]

100% agree with your comment about waiting for the truck.... i am too....

[@HighFx]

The Fast Lane Car dxxxsd#*()’tggggjggt ain’t. cxssms

[@lucifer0001]

The best part about the new JL/JLU line is now all the aftermarket parts for the JK line will get cheaper.

[@MattHolstein]

Say that louder. The manufacturers haven't heard you yet.

[@triviace]

Never was a Jeep fan until I started watching your channel.First ,your team puts out a lot of content,a lot!Second,you all keep your sense of humor and enjoy what you are doing.Third.you are always coming up with interesting tests and comparisons that translate well for consumers.good to see Tommy back too!

[@jcollins1305]

As always, wonderful videos. Love the interplay between Roman and Tommy. So natural, not forced and very informative. I must be honest, I am super impressed with the Jeep brand, it does what it says it can do, and more!

[@garylgoldberg]

This whole video is just awesome. I love that the Land Rover driver credited TFL for his purchase.

[@bsoyak]

Gary Goldberg I saw a review stating get a land rover they leak like crazy, but are super cheap and ready to off road! $2500 found it in the Colorado Spring!

[@CoelhoSports]

that one was a '97 bought for $2500 so that guy obviously isn't concerned about warranties or shelling out lots of money. it's a toy. nobody drives a new LR off road. it's always the 2nd or 3rd owner or beyond. if something breaks, you can find used and after market parts and do it yourself with older trucks. even a rebuilt engine or tranny is not that much, unless you're flat broke, and then you wouldn't be off-roading tempting fate.

[@arol0999]

One of my favorite videos you have posted recently. Keep it up!

[@JeepTJWheelin]

Great video of father and son wheelin'. Although it's strange to hear Tommy calling his Dad by his first name. But for the sake of the video, I get it. Both of these 2 door Wranglers look good. But the JK looks awesome. I only have a limited slip diff and after seeing this, I have to save up for at least a rear locker and soon.

[@sacatolasmoreira5593]

I call my father by his first name. And I would hate to be called "Dad". Just feel like it's lacking respect.

[@JeepTJWheelin]

Sacatolas Moreira This is definitely something I've never heard of. I would never call my Dad by his first name. THAT is a lack of respect. I have 2 sons and if either ever called me by my first name, there's going to be a problem!

[@regsparkes6507]

Good run, the factory lockers are great, but I love the cloth upholstery in Tommy's JK and so on and so forth,...as long as they're Jeeps, it's the drive that counts, and it looks like fun no matter what. By the way Roman,...you weren't the only one who 'reacted' when the Land Rover tipped and swayed there,...except I let out with a word that I shouldn't show here.

[@c.krause684]

Great duo. Would definitely like to see more videos with you two. Awesome video you guys!

[@eastonhirsh4088]

Great vid as always. Would like to see you guys do a detail video about all the differences between the jk and jl

[@IJBCI]

I miss my JK. it was a 2010. No crazy mods on it, but it had 33’s and a couple tops to play with. Total slug on the highway, but it was awesome taking the doors off in the summer. I had too much of a commute to justify it. Can’t wait to pickup a Wrangler in the future ! Great review TFL

[@joerobinson7141]

Love ur video’s, and really appreciate this one. Tommy my fav is ur 20 second mod break down. Wife and I are both JK owners, mine is heavily modded and wife is now looking at the JL’s....they are both great Jeeps. Think the JL did a great job of evolving the Jeep without compromising what Jeep stands for (is pricey though). Appreciate that you are comparing them off road, and know that is the reason I follow you guys!!! Thx again, keep the video’s coming!!!

[@CaptainRudy4021]

I just bought a 2012 jk two door sport last week and I love it. My only complaint is with the factory soft top. It's a big PITA.

[@robthebruce_81]

Great video! taking my jeep tj out on yankee hill today.

[@wautocolorado5897]

Personally, I think the JK looks much more rough and tumble. Much more badass. Love the simplicity of the design. JL has too many edges and looks more like an SUV than an offroader. That being said the JL seems to be a much more capable vehicle from the factory, and much more comfortable and maybe higher quality too. Ill stick to my JK for the sake of character and sentiment, but I have to admit jeep did a pretty damn job continuing the Wrangler name.

[@joecro1453]

Wauto Colorado in no way does it looks like a suv

[@fatball1892]

Jeeps are SUV’s though

[@MonaeJohnson]

Yes exactly

[@mitchceiling1506]

I agree, JLs seem to have more smooth curves

[@johnbartol8511]

Yeah okay a Rubicon vs a wrangler sport $60,000 worth of factory updates vs his $40,000 of his updates they should have run neck and neck jk Rubicon vs the jL Rubicon

[@jamesbonanno3359]

Great job gentleman. Tommy's Jk is quite similar to mine. Same color and many of the same type upgrades. Enjoying your channel.

[@Mike_D_5150]

Love yalls videos. Denver guy here. Used to work for Boulder County Surveyor.

[@michelleluna4278]

Awesome!!! Loved it. Welcome back Tommy!! Such a hard choice but either way you win if you enjoy the ride.

[@seadav0183]

When they said "old" I was expecting a TJ at the newest

[@salami99]

same. i have a tj and i don't know what a JLU is only JL, I guess JLU is the unlimited? for TJ we have the LJ nickname...

[@libertystuffnthingsreviews829]

Nice video. I was milling around in my head everything you guys talked about. Settled on a '18 JK Recon. Had everything I needed, nothing I didn't. And it was much cheaper with the current discounts than a similar JL. Both awesome rigs though. I look forward to more videos. Here is an idea, if you want. Do a tow test on the JK and JL. How well do those tow up the Ike? I'd love to see that, as many Jeepers tow campers and such.

[@scotiez]

I started out with a 2003 TJ. I drove that as a daily driver till i traded that for a 2010 JK Sport. After driving these for 15 years as a daily driver i decided to change things up. I am doing more travel, but i still wanted some off road capabilities, so i traded in the JK for a 2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk. I love the comfort of the new Cherokee and the ride going down the interstate. I do miss my JK but I think the Cherokee will do just fine for me. By the way, I love your videos on the Jeeps and your Diff loc series. Thanks for everything you've done for JEEP.

[@garyschatz3718]

Great video! And to do this as a father and son video, is heartwarming.

[@cobaltlukather9045]

loved the bit at the end!

[@Dwealdric]

My thoughts? Get a used stock JK Rubicon that's been driven by some pavement princess for a couple of years. You'll pay new JK sport pricing for something way better. There are very few Rubicon drivers out there that wish they got a Sahara or a Sport, but there are tons of Sahara/Sport drivers out there that wish they got a Rubicon. Especially once they hit a real trail.

[@davidnichols7485]

Dwealdric exactly I bought a 2015 mall crawler 30 000 km 33s on 18s has a Bush bumper and a 12000 lb winch way cheaper than a new one and still like new

[@HOWNDOG66]

If you off-road a used rubi by far better way to go than new.....if ya can find one that isn’t overpriced.

[@street_legal_go_kart7356]

Or buy sport and build it better rubi has half @$$ 44 same tubes and c's as d30 .

[@xzysyndrome]

I looked at all kinds of Used models...almost bought a JL...then a Sahara...was looking at the 10 year anniversary Rubicon...but felt it was over priced...settled on a 2014 Rubicon with 50k miles on it with a beat to shit wench. I anticipate wrenching time...and look forward to learning it.

[@mkgzt]

@@street_legal_go_kart7356 true, rear air lockers and manual sway bar is pretty much all you'd need for most off road. The electronics in the rubicon's gonna break real fast

[@bsoyak]

It has a locking dif! Thanks for the help! Going back up in a zr2 Thursday!

[@tomasmica325]

brad soyak Oh whoops haha! have fun!

[@ortiz73caify]

Great video and great comparison

[@ehiderielmelendez1667]

Awesome video guys

[@yohanfu2807]

Great video guys👍👍👍

[@knightwing4]

I’d like to see Tommy’s wheels and tires on the new Jeep. They say you can put 35s on it. You guys should test that.

[@jesuswasahermetic5871]

If you're a Mall Crawler you can.

[@Jpulg006]

Great video!!

[@michaelfallen1564]

I have a '18 JK Willys and my brother has an '18 JL Sport Plus and we love both of them! At the Sport level, they're very similar vehicles, some additional creature comforts and a higher price tag are the big differences. I must say, I love what they've done with the Rubicon JL but $60k for a Jeep is a bit out of my price range! Great video!

[@bosse641]

Me too, waiting for the JT. ...hope it'll be over the top cool.

[@davidking3311]

Roman helping the Rover dudes wheeling is the best part .

[@nathanmyers638]

I bought a 2021 willys model with the 2.0 turbo and really like it. So far from what I’ve seen they just added the aftermarket accessories into the factory package. The hurricane 4 cylinder is a little beast also. At the end of the day they are jeeps one fancy from start and one with more open ideas that are endless.

[@WayywayyH]

My JK build is very similar. I just put an aussie locker in and it can run with the rubis all day now

[@HoosierDaddy_]

Great video! Those lockers sure add a lot of benefits to off roading. Have Tommy put in a lunch box locker in the rear since theyre so cheap. Hope you wring the hell out of that new Rubicon while you have it!

[@zeke7142003]

I would never put a lunchbox locker in the rear. That type of locker locks up when torque is applied so you'd be locked at all times unless your foot was off the gas. They work great in the front because they only engage in 4WD,

[@vanquish5023]

I'd love an Old vs New for the new ZR2 Colorado vs the S10 ZR2.

[@moparproud3978]

Might as well compare a covered wagon to a Lambo then....

[@MikeBriggs24]

Need more Jeep videos! Loved the review and opinions. I have a JLUR with the Mopar 2” lift with 2.5” Fox shocks, 35” K02s with KMC XD832 wheels and absolutely love it.

[@The_Daliban]

Love the last bit..nice

[@supersmurf64]

Love your old vs new videos. Would like to see an XJ (old) vs KL (new) off-road comparison 🚙

[@leoricotti910]

Excellent video! I think the references to low gear ratio were referring to the 2ND gear acting like a really low gear (like a 1) because you get a higher gear ratio with the lower gears but I can understand if someone mispeaks and says that a 1st or 2nd gear has a low ratio just because it's easy to slip the tongue but usually 1st and 2nd gears have a high gear ratio

[@josermachado2011]

True that!! That JK is awesome!! I want one!

[@thebulgarianguy8461]

Love the new JL in terms of looks and design. It looks modern and yet very classic and recognizable.

[@JamesBrown059]

Perfect timing! I'm deciding between a 2018 JKU or 2018 JLU this week!

[@iandl9147]

So what did you end up with?

[@aaronrac2846]

Same here. Which did you get?

[@SvetAngelov93]

I love Pennsylvania gulch! Taking a motorcycle through there is a fun challenge. The jeeps make it look easy though...

[@yager4092]

Great video

[@giabyul]

Jeep Rubicon truck vs ZR2. Now that would be a great episode. I am however biased since I currently own a ZR2 gasser. I traded in my Jeep for the ZR2. Couldn’t be happier but I loved my Jeep too.

[@assaultlick2169]

Great video. Impressions at the end had me cracking up. You should do Fred from Dirt every day next time.

[@leetelford9768]

I just traded my Jk Wrangler sport six speed for a new JL Wrangler sport 2.0 four cylinder turbo with a 8 speed automatic both are two doors . So far I like the JL a lot and it’s getting better gas mileage.

[@JwcubTHS]

Some key differences not mentioned: 1. The Rubicon (JK or JL) comes with a 4:1 Rock Track transfer case, versus a 2.72:1 in all other models. 2. The JL comes with larger brakes (Rotor Dia. & Dual Piston Calipers) which make a significant difference when upgrading to 35s. This becomes a necessary safety upgrade - especially on the heavier unlimited models. 3. The Rubicon comes with a more robust D44 (JK)/ M210 (JL) front axle. When shopping back in 2015, we chose a Rubicon Unlimited over a Sahara due to the heavier duty suspension and 4.10:1 axle ratio - strictly for trailer towing advantages. Then we got into off roading and joined a local Jeep Club (Jeeper's Anonymous); looking back, I would sorely regret not choosing the Rubicon. The Rubicon will go places and climb things a Sport or Sahara simply cannot do because of the locking differentials.

[@cremazie]

Love this review and the Straight pipes imitation at the end made me laugh!

[@timfox2344]

Great info .... trail looks good.... can’t see too many vehicles being tested on it, a tad narrow.

[@larrys9879]

My son had a 2019 JL. It spent more time at the Jeep dealer being fixed than it did in his garage. Check engine lights for Electrical & 4 wheel drive problems. After a 12 week stay at the dealers, waiting on parts, or so they said. He sold the Jeep and got a Tundra PU. I was replacing a 97 TJ. I decided to go with a preowned 2015 JK that was in dealer new condition inside and out. It was the Freedom version with leather seats and Alpine sound system. I wanted a Sahara but the Freedom was close enough to satisfy me. As far as I am concerned the JK has all the technology I would ever need. The JL has more technology and thus more things that can go wrong or break. I’ve had my JK for a couple of years and I’m totally satisfied with it.

[@sirabdude14]

I love the little StraightPipes reference :)

[@JaideepSingh16]

Good video. Thank you

[@patrickirish8110]

Another great vid. I love the JL, but have to agree that with the mods Tommy's looks damn nice. Genuinely funny outro, by the way. Haha

[@Dwealdric]

I'm with Roman. The replacement for my JKUR will be a JTR. I also agree with Tommy that the JL sounds way better.

[@josem6929]

Welcome back Tommy.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

Have any TFL staff bought themselves a personal JL yet? You guys have been giving great coverage on them. Once I heard of the upcoming JL I waited on buying a JK. Now i'll get the reward for waiting!

[@christianlong7846]

Love the vid, any pre-emptive opinion on the JL Diesel?

[@bcmandel]

You guys need to branch out to some harder trails, Pennsylvania Gulch and Switzerland Trail are way to mild for those vehicles. Try Middle St. Vrain if you want to stay close to Boulder, although it usually does not open until the end of June.

[@CoelhoSports]

they don't own the rubicon, though. i think subaru blacklisted TFL for years because of a damaged vehicle. that would suck if jeep did the same after returning a dented rubicon.

[@thebenson1983]

You guys are the best.

[@ta392srtchallenger5]

Your reviews are always outstanding. I realize you have to test what you have access to at the time. To be Totally equal I would think it would be JK Rubicon against JL Rubicon. With that being said again another outstanding review. Keep up the great work.😎❤️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇸❤️

[@WheatSn4ckBread]

If Tommy wants some cheap traction, look into Detroit TruTracs. I've had them in mine for a couple years and I love them. Also the Centerforce clutch and flywheel is much better than the stock one. Both on and off-road but keep a spare clutch slave cylinder handy. I've heard they can have a shorter life span with that clutch. Mine puked its guts out about a year after the install with about 58,000 miles on the old one.

[@cleveland53015]

Def need to plan another trip to Colorado!

[@planetxmetal]

Want to see you guys review a built JL vs a bone stock JL or a ride with a JL, JK, TJ, YJ, and CJ all built to relatively the same level (same size tires, lockers [or no lockers] across the board). A new vs old vs older vs older vs older. Would be rad.

[@burygems]

hey TFL crew, can you guys get a ROXOR and do gold mine hill and offroad comparisons with jl, jk, tj, yj etc. I for one will eat that content up! Great work guys! cheers!

[@toma1460]

Haha... Are you kidding me. Not even the same league. And if anything you'd want to compare it to a CJ7. But I assure you, no contest. Just saying.

[@GoatBastard]

Good video my friend 💪🔥💪🔥💪🔥

[@chasedrgc1223]

Holy hell you tripped me out with the straight pipes intro hahaha

[@TheStraightPipes]

Chase C. Who?

[@jakobhawkinz8761]

Got to check out the Gladiator Rubicon 🔥🔥

[@IntegraDIY]

I like the mechanical side of the jk, but I like the looks of the jl

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

Awesome video! This is exactly what I look for in your videos! I will say that you should have asked that guy in the TJ Rubicon if he wanted to be a part of the video. That would have made a near-flawless Old vs. Young vs. New. Don't worry though; SOMEday, I will be that guy. 14:33 I actually said almost exactly that two years ago on the "Top 10 Essential Off-Roading Tips for Newbies (Part 1 of 2) - DiffLock Ep. 7" video. Ah, found it: "Straight-up: if a Rubicon Hard Rock two door can't get there, then "there" was not meant to be reached." EDIT: Forgot to mention that the appearance by the Discovery was an excellent catch. I can guarantee that there are lots of people out there (including my family) who got their vehicles in part because of you guys and your advice, reviews, and experience.

[@hajjdawood]

I’ve been an F150 owner for almost a decade and the Rubicon Truck is also extremely tempting. Question is Diesel or the penstar and manual vs auto

[@lonniegerhardt3626]

Hey what's up Tommy. Great video very informative preciate it man. Watch lots of videos but I like the way you present the information. I wanted to get your quick thoughts on me possibly deciding to get a Jeep Willys Edition number one my step dad his name is Willis Willie whatever but I was hearing some good things about it as far as it kind of being a base model with some of the features that the Rubicon has correct me if I'm wrong once again great video appreciate you have a great day

[@nucl3arfamily906]

The wheels on the JK are sick!

[@user.user.user8274]

I love this channel :)

[@automaster209]

I still love my JK. I have a Rubicon Unlimited so I have the electronic disconnecting sway bar and locking differentials. :D

[@street_legal_go_kart7356]

14sport no sway bars much quicker . Rock jock 44 Detroit locker stronger than rubi .

[@tkdhanani]

i wanna buy Tommy's JK now... and i have to admit i have JLUR and love it; but his JK looks BADASS!

[@EdweeenR]

Great vid, so what did the quick jeep prep consist of

[@dankuchar6821]

81 Cj5 comparison? That's what I have. But I LOVE my chev 383 (6.4 liter) stroker! Wish I had the modern suspension though.

[@xXxpaWLxXx]

few minor mods to the JL and itl look just as good i think both are great machines and id love to have either one hell id love to even have a TJ

[@pk2119]

Tommy, did you consider regearing your JK to 4.56 (or even 4.88 since you have manual, 35s and doing actual offroad)? This would be one of the best mods one could do to a JK hands down!

[@basedury]

the straight pipes intro was absolutely hilarious

[@deanvader302]

The last segment of the video was great...pretty funny mimicking the "other" guys.

[@Stuka87]

I opted for a '17 loaded up Rubicon over a JL, because of the $10k price difference. The JL's are great, but the JK has had all of its bugs worked out, and it has a much stronger aftermarket. Will be a while before the JL has the same aftermarket support. Oh, the Johnny Lieberman imitation at the end wasn't half bad :P

[@fizoust2]

Stuka87 you bought a brand new 10 yr old model...when the new one just came out. Not smart.

[@Stuka87]

Mid trim JL sports are going for the same price as my fully loaded JKU Rubicon. JL Rubicons are going for 10-15k more than my JK costs. JL's are better, but they arent THAT MUCH better.

[@mr.particular2062]

you can get a 2018 Jk Rubicon for the same price as a 2018 Sport (not sport S) JL.

[@jordan_sal413]

He made the point of saying his JK has had those 10 years to work the flaws out of them. The JLs are new. We still don’t know their flaws yet. Time will tell.

[@Stuka87]

Gi I have been in and driven a JL. They aren’t quieter, their driving feel is roughly the same, the interior and nav system is a lot better, but it’s not worth the price difference. And there is a lot more to reliability than just the engine. It always take 1-2 model years to work out the bigger issues with production. If the price was the same, I would say go JL, but at the time JKs were much cheaper. Plus the after market for JKs is way better currently. If I do trade this JKU in, it will be for a Gladiator.

[@BorisW150]

Good comparison. Have to admit - the two door wrangler looks much better than the four door.

[@entreptiles]

That ending was epic and hilarious. 🙋🏽‍♂️😅

[@caedom21]

I love the father and son reviews. The best part of the video was the end and Roman’s interpretations of other intros but you missed one. “Thiiiiiisss is the 2018 Jeep Rubicon Wrangler...”

[@Dwealdric]

"And for more thoughts on the JL Rubicon, head over to my blog on..."

[@Badastro59]

Did Tommy say.... Bestop soft top "trektop" NX black Twill ?

[@thisguy2659]

Nice vid! Like Tommy I’m still sticking with the JK too. How are you guys liking those Firestone MT2 tires? Will be in need of a new set soon and they are on my short list.

[@TFLcar]

They provide good grip in the rocks and are quiet on the road but no grand in the snow.

[@Biglerification]

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet or not but my JKU Rubicon came with 4.10s, front and rear lockers and electric sway bar disconnects all stock. You don't need to get the JL to get those features.

[@noah22261]

The straight pipes ending 😂

[@MrMultihulls]

Why did you switch the lockers on at the start of the trail? You only need to engage lockers when you approach a hard obstacle then turn them off once traversed.

[@OriginalTeddy]

My experience owning one so far... Every ad, pamphlet, sales literature and even the sales pitch at the dealership revolve around it's off road capabilities. Yet doing things I did on a weekend basis with my 20 year old Wrangler TJ Sahara caused the yolk on the front inner axle to fail, taking out a ball joint and snapped an ear off of the now cheap aluminum steering knuckle. All on a brand new 2019 Wrangler JL Rubicon! First they tried to brush me off due to evidence of mud under the vehicle (for real?). The argument quickly escalated that I possibly hit something despite 0 damage on any other components. They wouldn't say I did hit something for sure, but since it was a possibility... they had an argument. It was also a possibility a part failed... just saying. When making it clear I couldn't be without a vehicle any longer and that I have to get it fixed, I asked if it needed anything else. They didn't know, as they didn't inspect it. They just saw it was broke and dirty and essentially just said nope unless I paid up. I was told they could see if anything aside from what they could see by looking behind the tire was broke, but I'd have to pay for a full inspection. At one point I was given the option to pay in "advance" to speed up the repairs and if the warranty kicked in, I'd be reimbursed. Ya, right... Being jerked around between the dealership and customer service, I took my jeep elsewhere to get fixed. Doing so apparently waived my right to complain anymore or receive compensation. But after 2 weeks of being without a vehicle... it had to be done. It turned into 3 weeks after everything was said and done. That's what 60k buys you! I've posted this a few times on Jeeps facebook page. Which are all deleted and I am blocked now from commenting. Guess your only allowed to tell people to go ahead and void your warranty work, it's fun!

[@danialphaomega]

I love the JK, I have stock LSD and mine keeps up with the rubis But at the end of the day a jeep can vertuelly go anywhere and you will belong to a wonderful club of the jeep world WELCOME my fellow JEEPERS

[@zb6024]

I got luck only one model was left for JK rubicon which I grabbed on discount price 10 k less than JL rubicon, I was impressed by JL because of it looks but my objective was to get axel locks and the price, I see lot of KZbin blog diverting customers toward JL , I understand it’s pure marketing

[@alexerickson5420]

You should do a video of the Jeep Wrangler TJ vs the Jeep Wrangler YJ. Or it could be the Jeep JL vs the Jeep TJ.

[@831Adventures]

good job, fun.

[@bobwampler3387]

This is what I wanted to see.

[@dingoboexplore]

great video! But why did you have the axles locked on that easy of surface and while turning?