Brilliant talk. More people need to watch and understand this. I was an atheist for 10 years because I came from an evangelical background. Protestants lack the rich intellectual and artistic background that Orthodoxy and Traditional Catholics have. I'm Orthodox now and I'm quite satisfied at what I found.
@69meplease1002 жыл бұрын
Exact same here man, whole new world
@oddsandexabytes Жыл бұрын
Yes. Agreed. Same here.
@_Eamon3 жыл бұрын
I was reminded of this quote from Robert Jastrow: For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.
@flowstateentertainment83953 жыл бұрын
Wow. Sounds dope
@thestraightroad3053 жыл бұрын
Hahahahah! Delightful!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@user-tp7wi4lt2b2 жыл бұрын
Except that he will never be able to climb that last rock by reason alone.
@heavythingslightly2 жыл бұрын
Love this! Bravo!
@DanVicious Жыл бұрын
irregardless we find our interpretation of consciousness meaning beyond ASAP
@MasteringJohn3 жыл бұрын
12:05 Reminds me of that moment in Game of Thrones when Tywin notes, "Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king."
@cactoidjim14773 жыл бұрын
I've reached the point where I like your videos as soon as I start playing them.
@TheDonovanMcCormick3 жыл бұрын
“I don’t know how it fixes itself and I’ve got a feeling you don’t think it does” Jonathan: smiling
@olerocker34703 жыл бұрын
But it does lead to something.
@ThomasDoubting53 жыл бұрын
@@olerocker3470 no it doesn't leads to same thing cycles everything is cycles theres never a start or a finish or a result although people do stuff that seems to provide the proof to them that there is a start and finish point.
@TripleJJJ111JJJ3 жыл бұрын
I love that you said you were converted to Orthodox Christianity by Muslims. That statement is profound and I would love to hear that story some day.
@coren47393 жыл бұрын
The fact that Jesus was Logos is the reason why an ethno-religion like Judaism was opened up like a mustard seed. So not only was it the Blood that spread the Spirit but also through the Paraclete. This is why Christians spread the word(logos), as first an oral tradition and then logos in writ. The Gospel(Good Spell, Gods Spell) reveals it's self through space, time, and individuals and then books join again, often in conflict, there by self-editing. The spell is so good that it changed all of reality and it continues to work as people continue to read it and become to live it.
@Janine111553 жыл бұрын
"Both/And" is very Orthodox. But so is another aspect I would add, and that is "I don't know." Put these together and you have Orthodox.
@universalflamethrower63423 жыл бұрын
My parents are from Surinam, when I read the old testament for the first time it actually reminded me of the Christiannity + animism practised by many afro Surinamese. Sometimes partial paganism is a bonus
@allisgrace13133 жыл бұрын
Listening to you gents helps me make sense of why I sought out paganism in my youth and then found home and truth as a traditional-minded Catholic. I've always felt like a fish out of water in our new world.
@panoramicprism3 жыл бұрын
I feel this!
@allisgrace13133 жыл бұрын
@@panoramicprism Glad to know I'm not alone! Sure can feel like it at times! God Bless You!
@Blazingwaffles1233 жыл бұрын
Similar path for myself.
@allisgrace13133 жыл бұрын
@@Blazingwaffles123 So interesting! I feel as though many of the people in our old coven where well-meaning, truth seeking ppl and perhaps had they been raised in a world of traditional Christian thinking would have never felt the void they were trying to fill with neo-paganism. Unfortunately, most of these folks are just to biased now to see truth where it actually resides. Short of the personal Eucharist miracle or graces my husband and I experienced, that would have been the case for us as well! So many of us where simply hungry for the Liturgical year, of which we had no idea even existed, and filled that void with the 'Sabbats & Esbats'. Rarely was the focus of our coven on spell work that didn't relate to these marks of time. I wonder if others would agree with this experience. I thank God for those of us who found God and His Truth and pray for those who are still caught in such darkness.
@allisgrace13133 жыл бұрын
@@panoramicprism I posted something down below in this comment section. Perhaps you'd read it and see if it speaks to your experience as well?
@seablue53 жыл бұрын
I love the talk about re-invigorating the language of belief. Christian testimony had become a cliche. I've been exploring ways of expressing meaning to overcome this barrier myself. Cliched language has given rise to cliched responses from tired listeners. The life imbued word can do wonders.
@PraetorClaudius3 жыл бұрын
Amen to that.
@DanVicious Жыл бұрын
finding myself experiencing understanding and explaining truth and confusion, in each moment.
@Bennethon3 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent conversation!
@lisaonthemargins3 жыл бұрын
John Heers seems like such a cool person, this is a great conversation. I'll definitely be checking out the rabbit podcast
@joaomallet51733 жыл бұрын
Awesome talk!
@HalfManThirdBiscuit3 жыл бұрын
Your fade-in is an unusual touch and it works.
@jordanedgeley66012 жыл бұрын
I really needed this, im glad you are able to put these out
@CLFmoto873 жыл бұрын
That intro GLOW UP
@ibelieve31114 ай бұрын
Thanks
@KizaWittaker Жыл бұрын
Funny how Jordan and Jonathan are now best friends.
@johndale16947 ай бұрын
The Spirit is bringing recovery
@celienepaul537810 ай бұрын
❤helping the aggregate consciousness one conversation at a time
@davidstrickland14123 жыл бұрын
Been reading a lot of Guenon lately, and I’m also listening to a lot of Dr. E. Michael Jones.
@corvinrick36443 жыл бұрын
Where do you listen to Jones? It is not much on KZbin right?
@davidstrickland14123 жыл бұрын
@@corvinrick3644 different people interview him on KZbin. A lot of it is the same thing, though.
@jakemild37503 жыл бұрын
Corvin Rick he’s on bitchute as well
@Williamsdshs113 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome. I didn’t know Dr. Jones and Jonathan’s audiences overlapped much of at all.
@brendanryan18523 жыл бұрын
I'm hoping to buy all Jone's books and keep them safe for my children to have as they come of age . I think all this information will be erased in the not too distant future.
@accuset3 жыл бұрын
I wish we were in a space that we saw how this part of the story ended, or what mindset comes out of this. The fear is in following Russia - embracing the control method and watching it take away everything, until we break to pieces. But the problem is, if we can't just turn back time, what direction can we move forward, aside from walking towards the guaranteed martyrdom. How do we learn from the past, when many are so desperate to repeat it?
@EO-John95403 жыл бұрын
The old Desert Fathers prophesied the end of ages would be spiritually low (or dead). Modern Elders have said that just very small things to honor God can itself be a big sacrifice or martyrdom due to how fallen our society is (especially into secularism and 'everyone has their own truth'): www.impantokratoros.gr/orthodoxy-contemporary-elders.en.aspx St Paisios has said punishment can be conditional - one can repent to assuage the corrective actions of God, as the Gentile people of Nineveh, since the corrective actions of God themselves are in fact salvific (see articles at the bottom). As Fr Hopko says, "early Christianity never saw itself as a 'new' religion - it was the end of all religions - a religion belongs to this world." When we mold Christianity to the world instead of molding the world to Christianity, we should not terribly surprised at the result. Lord have mercy. St John of Kronstadt foresaw the fall of Russia to the revolution, and there were many warnings against the Council of Florence in Christian Rome before the west sacked and destroyed the empire (even if it took a few more centuries to fall, 50 years of the west looting destroyed Byzantium). St Nikolai of Serbia warned Europe and Serbia before WWII on the coming disasters of choosing science and secularism instead of God. Remember the Old Testament is full of the people of God worshipping Him, then falling away, and God trying to bring them back to Him generation after generation in a continual cycle - or 'wrestling' as Israel can mean. Christ our Lord and Savior is the same God of the Old Testament, so we can (one Elder has said) look at Israel's falling and returning as a mirror of our own lives - always moving away, and trying to come back. Some articles: ST John Chrysostom - On God's providence and His ways: stjohngoc.org/chrysostom-and-gods-providence/ Divine Providence by St. John of Tobolsk livingorthodoxfaith.blogspot.com/2009/11/divine-providence-by-st-john-of-tobolsk.html "Why did God settle Adam in Paradise, knowing that Adam would not live in Paradise for long, but would be expelled from it? Why did Christ add Judas Iscariot to the circle of the apostles, knowing in advance that the latter would become a traitor to Him? What is the reason for such changes in God’s determinations?" fatherjohn.blogspot.com/2013/06/stump-priest-what-about-violence-in-old.html "God judges nations in history. Nations do not have an afterlife in which they can receive punishment or reward. God dispenses His justice upon nations in history, and so this justice by its very nature is dispensed collectively. If a nation is wicked, it will suffer the fruits of that wickedness, and unfortunately that means even the youngest children in that nation reap the bitter harvest sown by their parents. Our culture is very individualistic, but in Scripture, we find a view of the human race that sees us as having a corporate personality as well as being individuals. We are ultimately judged as individuals in eternity, but in this life we are not just individuals... we are part of families, tribes, and nations."
@robertagajeenian72223 жыл бұрын
Jonathan, you might enjoy Iain McGilchrist's book, "The Master and his Emissary". He discusses the functions of the left and right hemispheres of the brain and how they have come into conflict with each other instead of cooperating - especially in the modern West. Dovetails nicely with what you are saying.
@WhiteStoneName3 жыл бұрын
John has a *great* voice for podcasting.
@KanuniSuleyman48572 жыл бұрын
Irony is that people living in New world are also from the Old world 😂😂😂
@jessemartin97203 жыл бұрын
Postmodernism is both useful and dangerous? Yes. Great interview!
@paulconn78493 жыл бұрын
Johnathon, Out of the blue I came across the movie "Patterns" written by Rod Serling of Twilight Zone fame. Very dry story about corporate America in New York City, nothing like his Twilight stories, but the title I think refers to the same thing as your "patterns." Love, love to hear you comment about this very obscure movie, which looks at reality.
@edwinjacobellis48523 жыл бұрын
Man I took the test and I got a 5, I feel like I gotta pray for the rest of the night now
@heavythingslightly2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@YouTubeComments3 жыл бұрын
new diggs are looking good!
@evgeny99652 жыл бұрын
Leonardo looks back to the medieval world that is what makes him so “mysterious “. Most people don’t realize this and interpret him solely through the Renaissance… just say’n …
@timothydeneffe2492 жыл бұрын
Jonathan -"how can I say this so that someone who doesn't think there is a god, or unseen aspect to reality, understands what I'm talking about" - Pageau
@malpais7763 жыл бұрын
Dang, I scored exactly like Jonathan. I think I feel better already.
@PresterMike3 жыл бұрын
Jon my man another great vid!!!
@Okayand333 жыл бұрын
Great video 😄
@galacticecho70273 жыл бұрын
It is strange that many modern Christian's struggle with the idea that the Bible has either/or logic but also both/and logic. It was a place I feel God very clearly led me a few years ago.
@twizelby2 жыл бұрын
At 42 minutes in,, is there an English version of mythologies? How do you spell that name? Rolobert?
@carissavisscher96482 жыл бұрын
John mentioned something about Johnathan being both/and. Is this in contrast to either/or philosophy? Does anyone have an answer to this?
@isaacclark58333 жыл бұрын
The study of Phsycology shifted humanity into a new world.
@johndale16947 ай бұрын
Jesus is walking in you Two Me too The first parable if we understand We will understand all The parables
@papagiiigo29853 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 100k subs!
@luizmenezes9971 Жыл бұрын
The closest thing the modern materialist men have to the concept the medieval men had of god is Cthulhu. And believe me, the only thing he would want from Cthulhu is that he keep sleeping.
@brotherbroseph14163 жыл бұрын
I love the new intro
@occidentalunrest89283 жыл бұрын
Will you/have you considered having a conversation with Patrick Ryan of Cultstate? Having a conversation with a like minded friend and we would love to hear you two converse about symbolism and the world.
@mm-wm3jd3 жыл бұрын
Brother Jonathan, thank you for your honesty about René Guénon. It is disappointing that JP Marceau opened defamation campaign against Guénon by giving him inappropriate names to discourage people not to read his book. JP Marceau should be ashamed of himself for attacking a scholar (Guénon) due to his religion being Islam while unable to refute a single of the author's ideas.
@lisaonthemargins3 жыл бұрын
What? A defamation campaign? Wow, really?
@mm-wm3jd3 жыл бұрын
@@lisaonthemargins Yes in his article and talks, marceau refer to Guénon as paranoid, deranged, not grounded etc... And he adds that reading Guénon books leads to insanity. Just unbelievable.
@alejandro1997ag3 жыл бұрын
Love the new intro!!!!
@Jerrellofficial0 Жыл бұрын
Still trying to understand what I just watched. Other video suggestions?
@MrBWB3 жыл бұрын
Like the new intro!!! Would you consider making more biblical prints like the Jonah one?? That we can buy copies of? I have a big framed print of Jonah in the Whale that you did. Like a Dore series of art kinda thing
@olerocker34703 жыл бұрын
35:53 "My resources and your potential …" Now if that doesn't bleed symbolism that you and your brother constantly speak of then I don't know what does.
@coren47393 жыл бұрын
25:18 I believe you're comparing Emergent Patterns vs. Immanent Patterns? There is no apriori without first priori.
@johannakunze33003 жыл бұрын
It's ripping apart in Europe, too. What about the eastern and southern continents?
@strugglingathome3 жыл бұрын
Love the new intro of the days of creation!
@lisaonthemargins3 жыл бұрын
Jacob is probably freaking out right now
@looqo76323 жыл бұрын
I'd been trying to get these two together for a few months. Yes, I was excited to hear it was happening.
@lisaonthemargins3 жыл бұрын
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@danielpadrnos61943 жыл бұрын
If you're looking for the Old World/New World test go to first-things.org, click "podcast" under the discover tab, and you'll see the button to take the light-o-meter test.
@lucilacantu3 жыл бұрын
As a catholic ,everything you say makes a lot of sense. Are our churches "sisters" in a way? When you say "the church", would that also apply to the Catholic Roman Church? Thanks 🙏🏻
@olgakarpushina4923 жыл бұрын
In the 60s, Paul II acknowledged the Orthodox Church a sister church. Catholics aren't supposed to take the Orthodox communion, but trying to "seduce" the Orthodox into Catholicism was considered unnecessary. The Orthodox have been considering the Catholic Church heretical since the great schism of 1054. We don't see your Church as a sister Church. But we used to be one Church for a 1000 years.
@coren47393 жыл бұрын
Jesus the carpenter, works with the Holy Woods in bearing the Cross, where the Tree of Knowledge(Tree at beginning of time) meets the Tree of Life(Tree at end of time) on the cross + beams. The Corpus on the Crucifix is the fruit, the dead fruit falls(decent into hell) becoming the seed(Paraclete) to redeem the fathers, ascends into heaven to spread the seed(Paraclete). Where the four corners of the world(universe) meets is a + or an x. To eat of the Fruit is to eat of the Eucharist and so a discerning believer will see crosses everywhere to be bared by a corpus.
@kevinhughes34773 жыл бұрын
where can I take the old world new world test?
@danielpadrnos61943 жыл бұрын
go to first-things.org, click "podcast" under the discover tab, and you'll see the button to take the light-o-meter test
@thegoldenthread3 жыл бұрын
This was really good, one of your better entry level conversations.
@KillerKabel3 жыл бұрын
I've been wondering about a sort of course on this Symbolic World view. Where to start, where to be in the middle and what the more high end stuff is.
@peteroleary94473 жыл бұрын
This was really good!
@workingproleinc.6763 жыл бұрын
Serbian Ortodoxy i was born in SFRY
@solomonsporchsmyrna51063 жыл бұрын
Do you think it is possible to truly recover an old world (pre-modern worldview?) without a significant agrarian movement? Not that all have to live as agrarians, but that a large or larger portion of society has to live as agrarians to keep their particular society connected to the natural world with its larger spiritual frame?
@PraetorClaudius3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s a natural way a child views the world before being educated, even today.
@pu3he3 жыл бұрын
Some western monastic orders had to do their own gardening. I think having a garden dependent on the natural lifecycle can somewhat help recover that.
@random_person60412 жыл бұрын
💚💚💚💚
@sdrc921263 жыл бұрын
James Burke The Day the Universe Changed
@johannakunze33003 жыл бұрын
What is the book Jonathan refers to around minute 43?
@richardmagee99283 жыл бұрын
Anyone here watch Adam Curtis' New documentary?
@martinjoseferreyra196111 ай бұрын
41:10 atheist friend story
@anastunya3 жыл бұрын
Canadiens and Americans can just visit their own indigenous tribes to get to know people in touch with the spiritual world.
@sturmanaskie3 жыл бұрын
It’s not the “modern world” the modern world is connected to the past, it’s postmodernism.
@cedricburkhart37383 жыл бұрын
What does it mean if you got a 4?
@shadfurman3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call myself a Christian, I don't believe in God, but I do believe in the power of the gospel as a principled stoic life philosophy. I grew up Christian and tried to follow what I thought I was supposed to do. In my perception now, I was denying my own spirit. I was confused, almost multiple personalitied in how I acted. My reconciliation was accepting myself for who I am first, and then I learned to love the gospel again. From my perspective now, Christians have basterdized Christianity to justify sin. As an example, many if not most Christians think using the Lord's name in vain is about not using God's name as an explitive, that's not what vanity means. Not using the Lord's name in vain is about false piety, it's about hypocrisy. I think it's Christianity that's been corrupted, and teaches them to hate themselves with puritanical dogma, but if you learn to love yourself, you learn to actually love others, and then you can learn to learn the gospel. I've seen this happen to a few gay friends too. Imo hating yourself, your true self, is antichristian. It's the spirit of the antichrist. Of course we're meant to grow any improve, but to do that you have to accept yourself for who you are. You can't get to where you want to go until you know and accept where you currently are, to know which direction you should go.
@theangryslav91153 жыл бұрын
That sad moment when you have seen this before this upload :(
@meofamily43 жыл бұрын
In the two speakers' praise of the Haitians' recognition of sympathy for their spiritual mindset, there is a reason to find an argument against them. Since Haiti has been sunk, for centuries, in poverty and violence, the fact that they sympathize with "Old World" mentality is not a recommendation for the latter.
@samory53993 жыл бұрын
Are you a traveling person Jonathan ?
@thomasadongo71763 жыл бұрын
jonathan ,what's that lost city of Atlantis ? second does God lead us into temptation ?
@Brad-RB3 жыл бұрын
While I understand and even appreciate the critique of Protestantism, is it possible to look at a world map and identify a place that is predominantly Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant that currently has its act together? It seems like Christianity as a whole has lost its ability to shape culture in a positive way.
@ALLHEART_3 жыл бұрын
Christianity, like it's Founder, will spring to life from death. We'd do well to not underestimate that.
@heavythingslightly2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know that any place in the world “has its act together”… for me it’s which places in the world most clearly and properly invite human creatures and Creation as a whole toward something like Theosis? Which cultures give us the best chance of finding true life? Modern scientific westernized culture? That’s bleak as far as a coherent invite to theosis goes… no? I mean we don’t even allow for public square comvos using the Theos part of theosis… ouch
@Brad-RB2 жыл бұрын
@@heavythingslightly I really understand what you're saying. The only thing I know for sure is that I'm stuck. It is very difficult to find a body of believers were there is a deep understanding that everyone actually needs each other. I'm not sure if it is the philosophy the culture is built upon or the technolgy, maybe both, but the west has the duped by illusion that each person can be independent.
@RydSpyn3 жыл бұрын
The more I listen to you the more I think: so many of your intuitions overlap with Jean Baudrillard's. The new world: simulation, hyperreality. Crossing the bridge and then burning it afterwards is such a central part of his philosophy, as is the fragmented self. He even has a book on strategies to upturn the "new world" called "Les stratégies fatales". Your observation that when one has to spell out a particular rule, like "being united under God", it actually expresses the opposite is found everywhere in his thinking. From the extreme heights of the criticism regarding our modern world to the down-to-earth realization that everyone of us has been shaped in such a way that it makes them almost unable to shed themselves of modern thinking and individualism - it's all there. But, he does something weird with the language he uses. He achieves a subversion, a seduction, of all the terminology that we have grown accustomed to, causing the reasoning behind it to disappear.
@edwinjacobellis48523 жыл бұрын
Well Pageau has said that he read all the pomo stuff in college, he says that they were right on a lot of things, but like you said, their conclusion is to burn it down, which is obviously clearly the opposite of Jonathon's
@RydSpyn3 жыл бұрын
@@edwinjacobellis4852 Baudrillard, I think, is classified more accurately as a post-post-structuralist^^ What he has to offer is an incredibly thought-provoking description of our world today, let's say it's just fun to read. And you'll find many of the ideas expressed here, but from a slightly different point-of-view.There is a lot of valuable vocabulary for describing the world today in his philosophy. Plus, it is not so much the case that he wants to burn things down, that would be too plump. What he wants to do is subvert the world, and to subvert reason, something which I think Jonathan can agree with, considering his notion of double-inversion. There is really more overlap than the description "post-modern philosopher" might suggest. Of course, there are considerable differences between Baudrillard's account and Jonathan's, Baudrillard not being a Christian and all, but that is what makes it interesting and worth talking about, as far as I see it.
@edwinjacobellis48523 жыл бұрын
@@RydSpyn certainly, I definitely did not mean it in a bad way
@RydSpyn3 жыл бұрын
@@edwinjacobellis4852 Hehe, I guess I 'm just looking to talk about this stuff with someone who's familiar with both thinkers^^
@AugustasKunc Жыл бұрын
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@one_man_community3 жыл бұрын
First comment and first view. Wait, 13 likes already?
@evgeny99652 жыл бұрын
Isn’t Jesus, Santa Claus as a young man??? Isn’t that what most Christians believe?
@Boysermusic Жыл бұрын
Nobody thinks that
@jag32173 жыл бұрын
Lost me when u gave in about choices
@christophermihaly70293 жыл бұрын
Jonathan, please talk with Eric Weinstein. I need to hear you two speak to each other!
@d.b4273 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpSvfXmJmbCNgqs
@berrus48573 жыл бұрын
I do drink from a goblet sometimes. Could I be a Charlemagne? :S
@vansantos57723 жыл бұрын
I got 8 LOL
@margaritanava773 жыл бұрын
Symbolic and the death of faith. God losted in symbolic logic. Still missing the mark by a new illusional mark.