40k Isn't THAT Overpowered by PancreasNoWork - Reaction

[@powerfist1340]

essentially a better way of describing the whole Transcendence/Timelines thing is probably by just cutting it down to this: They wanted to delete Free Will and curate a of reality - a SINGULAR reality - where no-one gets to be unhappy. you don't have a choice.

[@Streygenmoment]

The Looney Tunes, and cartoon characters as a whole, would beat 40k. What are the Tyranids gonna do if Bugs Bunny sets up a toll booth for them to enter the galaxy? What is Khorne gonna do when Popeye eats some spinach?

[@dinodude6992]

I can't help but imagine a swarmlord gaining the ability to speak just for it to say: "I think I left my wallet in the previous galaxy, I'll be back!"

[@Streygenmoment]

@@dinodude6992 "who left our Fast Pass at home? I will send you back into the goop if you don't fess up!"

[@captain-commander8138]

Toon force can't be stopped

[@O-OO1-O]

Popeye literally beating the abrahamic god.

[@iansahleen1173]

Gumball Waterson is going to pile drive Khorne

[@shadowhunter0815]

I say this: The Daleks would be a real threat in 40K. And Emperor protect you if Khorn would get his bloody hands on these perpetual angry squids in their tanked uped, paper shaker shaped wheelchairs.

[@erikjohanson3929]

40k would burn in the fires of the Timewar as a side-casuality I think.

[@shadowhunter0815]

@@erikjohanson3929 More like erased before it could even start. But even without timetravel the Daleks are dangerous enough.

[@NameIsDoc]

Why would the daleks pray to a god?

[@shadowhunter0815]

@@NameIsDoc They wouldn't. But considering the case with Tuska Deamonkilla, Khorn wouldn't care that much as long as the Daleks get some killing done, which they do anyways. Granted they might go after Khorn himself at one point but i guess as long as they don't pull a Starkbrand, that's fair game.

[@janehrahan5116]

Khorn actually would have a hard time with them, the dalek brand of hatred is primarily disgust, not anger (the actual emotion core for khorne), the daleks are effectively super space marines for resisting chaos.

[@battedbook5811]

I once made people on reddit angry by saying that Dead Space is more bleak than 40K, because Dead Space 3 literally ended with human race going extinct. I still stand by that statement.

[@IronForce-ff2qx]

I think the only thing that helds Dead Space back is that: when a Marker gets destoyed, all the Necromorphs it controls turns into soup

[@memosanchez8916]

Actually there is conformation by one of the members that worked on dead space that their would have been a 4th game were the necromorphs are defeated but something worse ends up coming for humanity truth is the necromorphs were created to keep that very thing at bay

[@battedbook5811]

@@memosanchez8916 So basically humanity is fucked.

[@Shalltear773]

​@@memosanchez8916what happened to that 4th game? Was it just a scrapped idea or what?

[@O-OO1-O]

I would also like to know.​@@memosanchez8916

[@Kareszkoma]

Not to forget something important. The Imperium is indeed big, but those armies can't just leave. They usually don't concentrate and they need to guard their sector. They are spread out, so they can respond faster.

[@kabob0077]

23:18 The Black Library needs some people to study Stellaris, Rimworld, and Dwarf Fortress players.

[@laughingcloud3516]

Im guilty in the Rimworld department. if I mention any of the messed up stuff I've done in Rimworld on youtube, my account would probably get nuked.

[@kabob0077]

@@laughingcloud3516 Let's keep things vague otherwise... Now as a Starsector player I have to say I may or may not have destroyed a few planets at the very least...

[@laughingcloud3516]

@@kabob0077 as I am also a Stellaris player I may or may not have used a few Star Eaters and every variant of colossi several times. For one playthrough the Devolving Beam was my favorite I'd use it then convert the now devolved into pre-sapience species into food. In another I use the Neutron Sweep weapon on literally every inhabited planet that wasn't my own though in that play through my empire was loaded with Fanatic Purifiers so it kind of fit in with the theme of that empire. I've done some pretty messed up things in Stellaris but nothing I've done in Stellaris can compare to the stuff I've done in Rimworld.

[@kabob0077]

@@laughingcloud3516 Rimworld and Dwarf Fortress make you into a monster most of the time...

[@darthrevan4933]

Stellaris player found a system with 4 primitive planets invaded them one after another and re engineered them to be the perfect slaves for hot, cold and temperate worlds respectively then turned the last one into slave super soldiers then when one empire was annoying me I literally invaded them and nervstapled them (basically servitors without the cybernetics) actually I think the only thing they did was be in my way Also I’m fully aware this is tame compared to what some people have done in that game PS. also thanks to a mod that lets you use multiple ascension paths I was also actively worshipping discount Slanesh while doing most of this. Make of that what you will

[@Mondy667]

Btw The galaxies in the picture of the Xeelee Ring is the Photino Birds throwing it at them to stop the construction and also, some humans have been able to tame or merge with a Photino Bird(correct me if I'm wrong)

[@infantrytactics1233]

They were made symbiotic, not tamed. - Xeelee: Endurance

[@markalfordjr5876]

there's a reason the 'xeelee stomp' exists

[@scottphillips6005]

Warframe would lose on scale, but that would be the single most costly solar system the Imperium would ever conquer.

[@crowe6961]

If they had a chance to figure out what they were dealing with before fully committing, they'd probably start chucking nova cannon rounds and Exterminatus-grade ordnance at all signs of life.

[@bthsr7113]

If the meta player count numbers were accurate, a breakout followed by a defensive line could potentially be established. And if the Tenno could not only access, but enhance the technologies of 40k, as we are wont to do with our bountiful mods, we'd become an exponentially more terrifying force.

[@iansahleen1173]

Warframes could kill chaos gods but I’m not sure how they would ever get to them

[@Alzir-n9m]

Yep, that is entirely accurate. As matter of fact i still think the imperium would lose because of how much it's a logistical nightmare, by the time they realized how big of a threat the origin system is they might just throw their hands up and go "yep, NOT WORTH IT"

[@crowe6961]

@@Alzir-n9m Let's be real here, the Inquisition would at least _attempt_ to sterilize the system and then strike it from the records. Too much BS going on outside of their control.

[@patroclusilliad233]

Someone actually did a fan comic about the Doomslayer ending up in 40k. Was interesting. To start Abaddon died, and that's how the Slayer got to team up with Guiliman and the Emperor. Also, the Giga Structural Engineering Mod for Stellaris. When he was talking about how OP some of the mods can get, I'm fairly certain he was talking about 'that' in particular.

[@aquila4460]

I mean, any story about the doomslayer teaming up with the Imperium of Man fundamentally misunderstands the doomslayer. This is the dude who got sent to mars as punishment for putting his superior in a full body cast when ordered to fire on civilians.

[@patroclusilliad233]

@@aquila4460 You're not wrong, not at all. It was still a fan fiction though.

[@theguylivinginyourwalls]

​@@aquila4460 He's just saving the Imperium for last.

[@corvidcorax]

Don't forget ACOT and its submods.

[@Myomer104]

Do you have a link to that comic?

[@danguinius3654]

If we place 40k on a power scale, it would likely be high Mid-tier. Let me explain: There are Bottom/Mid/Top-tier power scalings for sci-fi settings. Bottom-tier is "feasable" things like RoboCop, Terminator, Edge of tomorrow, etc. They would typically be pre-FTL and confined to our solar system. Mid-Tier (the largest) is FTL/interstellar-capable factions and space battles we typically regognise from our favorite movies and video games. The most popular pranchises are in this tier, i.e. Star Wars, Star Trek, Halo, Battlestar Galactica, Alien vs Predator, Mass Effect, Dune, etc. Top-tier are settings where writers do whatever the hell they want. Marvel and DC comics, the Xeelee collective, The Last Question, Three Body problem, Stellaris, Dragon Ball, basically any setting that can progress to reality-breaking levels of muguffins, gimics and rule-of-cool writing made soley for entertainment. Warhammer 40k is going to be at the top of the Mid-tier scaling. It's got elements of all three tiers in it, and it does sometimes bleed into the Top-tier scaling. It's not the most OP setting out there by a longshot, but it absolutly takes the cake when compared to it's direct peers.

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos gets stronger with all those Universes to corrupt! So many greedy, desperate, retarded, ignorant Cannon Fodder

[@marley7868]

worth noting star wars (from now on to be refered to as palpy's for simplicity) imperial star destroyers are roughly the size of 40k destroyers and it takes a month to make a trip that proportionally in 40k takes roughly 6 to 40 years and palpy built 25k star destroyers in 30 and reminder the star wars galaxy is roughly 40% bigger than the milky way just sayin

[@leechowning2712]

Yeah, once we are discussing time itself being a side dish, even 40k has to call it a day. As to Battletech, the way they win is by Davioning it. Yes, an Imperial Titan can stomp all the Mechs... but they only have a few hundred Titans. I would love to see an Urbie board the Titan (they can carry Dreadnauts and Knights, so Urbies can fit) and proceed to do the "stop hitting yourself".

[@crowe6961]

They have more than a few hundred Titans. Also, those things generally aren't deployed at all without conventional heavy mechanized units, artillery cover, and infantry already having gotten stuck in and providing a forward line. Conventional heavy mechanized units, if expecting enemy heavy walkers, often include a smattering of super-heavy tanks, armed both as general breakthrough vehicles and specialized variants with anti-Titan weaponry considerably nastier than an AC/20. And this is just the Imperial Guard and Mechanicus coming to play.

[@elenorefangirl3389]

Urbie go curbie. :)

[@ssjjshawn]

​@@crowe6961To be fair, in Battletech Battlemechs are often supported by Infantry, Aerospace units, Armor, Battle Armor and Artillery as well most of the time for big fights. The unit sizes are smaller than the Imperiums, but for Basic Tech Battletech is actually better on that scale. TOAD Battle Armor is superior to any Mark of Space Marine armor, and can have a normal ass dude in it, Lazer Mauser standard Battle Rifle is just a Hotshot Lazgun, etc. Infantry vs Infantry Battletech ironically hard stomps, but once we get to the Mechs Battletech loses hard. Don't even bring up Warships vs the Imperium. Battletechs Warships are some of if not the most realistic combat spaceships in fiction. And as such they get turned into little more than Target Practice for the Imperial Navy (When they even have Warships around)

[@crowe6961]

@@ssjjshawn There's a mentality difference, though. If you keep mowing down the Imperial Guard, rather than running out of men, they tend to start bringing in equally large or even more numerous units who _don't care_ about taking 80% losses on the advance and will continue to slowly grind down the position with artillery, mechanized pushes when they detect weakness, and constant infantry assaults that cause fatigue and logistical strain across the line. 10 million losses? Send the Munitorum the bill, they'll just call Krieg again if they're not too busy in the Octarius Sector or whatever.

[@ssjjshawn]

@@crowe6961 Then Battletech busts out its conscripts, death row prisoners, mercs or its own specialized attrition units. Eventually yeah 40k wins via scale, but squad vs squad Battletech wins.

[@eagle10799]

Lol you were totally having an existential crisis during the whole Xeelee segment. But I’m glad someone great like Pancreas got to cover the Xeelee sequence. 40k is screwed when a setting is so powerful, that the various factions could be straight up ignored and the entire galaxy could be deleted from existence before anyone has time to scream. Frieza > The Big E because while ol Emps has to wear a bunch of gold, Frieza can literally turn gold. Also the Xeelee building material is literally made out of the fabric of space-time itself

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

The writing is so poor. I don't know what the writer is smoking when he made it, but it's quite boring.

[@timexyemerald6290]

​@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 who cares. Still will absolutely obliterate some other fanbois ego 😂.

[@thorshammer7883]

​@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 I must agree on that. I didn't like how it was too obscure and didn't develop on much on anything. It was more like a simplified summary mostly and not much commitment to worldbuilding and just surface level summaries. Another Sci Fi author named Olaf Stapledon kind of did the same thing when he was making The Star Maker book and went into strange philosophy. In that book he made a powerful creator deity called The Star Maker.

[@mikaelantonkurki]

Again que the nerd arguments again but I would say that Big E could very well beat Frieza. Side note: Big E doesn't wear gold, the metal that is used for Big E's and Custodes armor is auramite. Calling auramite Gold is like calling steel, silver.

[@ranbojd1070]

Best part about comparing the sequence to 40k is bringing up the Interim Coalition of Governance agaisnt the imperium

[@AlphariusDominatus]

I think even Krillin could body The Emperor. DB Universe is unhinged

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

A Saiyan daemon prince would be insane. For the average Saiyan, zenkai boost(a massive power increase after healing from near death injuries) isn't a factor since they don't have healing ability nor are they durable enough to survive near death injuries for long(if there is no medic/senju bean/healing tank very near them, they're f*cked), this is not an issue for a daemon prince

[@missjayspeechley9213]

I can see Khorne trying to grant Goku power. And Goku responding with, "Nah dude, thanks but I'd rather train and build the power like usual. Also, you're really strong, wanna fight? The one you should really worry about is if Goku meets Gork and Mork

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

@@missjayspeechley9213 Goku is battle hungry but he lack the blood thirst of regular Saiyan so Khorne is unlikely to approach him. Khorne is more likely to target Broly

[@missjayspeechley9213]

@@aokhoinguyenang3992 And I can see that back firing on Khorne too. The Saiyan I'd be most concerned about is Prince Vegeta, and his pride. If he starts referring to himself as King. Start looking for anything Slaaneshy

[@matthewgagnon9426]

Saiyans regularly took over entire planets with 3 people. Space Marines tend to send more than that when they take over a planet, and they don't have to take over planets where people can shoot ki blasts from their hands and fly at will.

[@missjayspeechley9213]

@@aokhoinguyenang3992 Any other Saiyan, Broly included. Would more likely want to fight Khorne. Broly especially, and brutally

[@supersaiyandiclonius3056]

4:42 I had summer school only once in my life, and it was for Geometry. And summer school confirmed it was my teacher's fault cause I nailed that shit in a DAY! They would give us homework five minutes before the bell, and I would hand it back on my way out the door. I can do math...I just can't do it a specific way.

[@panzermkii7675]

Taking on Battletech would be like facing another version of Tau, the time and resources to take the whole of BT in its universe would weaken the Imperium. Feth sake, it took the Imperium 20 years to take a single mass of fortifications of Vrax. Imperial Guard gonna be throwing crusades away to conguer BT.

[@ForgottenHonor0]

If you want to know how terrifyingly amazing Dead Space is buy the game (original or remake, both are incredible), put it in your console, turn off your lights, and make sure you know where the door is so you don't run into a wall when you see the necromorphs for the first time!

[@chill-lady-brook]

Jumpscares are not terrifying

[@theguylivinginyourwalls]

​@@chill-lady-brook Gotta agree. It was pretty good back then but I'm not sure if the scares themselves still hold up. At least they didn't last time I played the original. The atmosphere still works for me, though.

[@supersaiyandiclonius3056]

20:48 when Piccolo fought Raditz, his scouter said Piccolo was 212.

[@barrybend7189]

Pancreasnowork also forgot to mention Mazinger Zero, Getter Emperor and Ideon in anime super robots to beat 40K.

[@Psub950]

The problem with the Viltrumites is there only 49 of them left

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

Send s bunch of chaos sonic marines and they're all toast. Hell, send a beta class psyker and they're all super toast.

[@deus1521]

To little for them. To large for us

[@refurbishedtechpriest9076]

True, but give them a world or several where they can breed in peace for a few generations... And I don't mean among themselves, but with humans. Those 49 Viltrumites could turn into legions within generations depending on how the Viltrumites go about it.

[@thorshammer7883]

Yet 49 Viltrumites is more then enough for most situations in Warhammer 40k. Especially if the weaker ones can bust open continents on average.

[@Drewski-hw1yi]

​Yea that's definitely not enough. Plenty of imperial worlds would fall but the imperium definitely has enough firepower, bodies, and worlds to spare to halt any meaningful expansion they could do especially since they're genepool is already getting king tut thin. Viltrumites can tank a lot but a version of omniman got killed by a bomb that wiped out Europe im betting the imperium could match that.

[@wolfwind7654]

I like how you kept the sponsored segment in, you could have easily skipped it because it isn't content or not giving free promotions or whatever, but you showed the whole thing and people who are interested could check it out and support the original creator, you've earned my respect and a subscription

[@madbombermedia3070]

For me, the thing that got me into 40k was "The All Guardsmen Party," and then the KZbin algorithm recommending me Bricky's "Every 40k Faction" video. I learned about TtS and Astartes after if you'd believe it ^_^

[@jorikrouwenhorst7220]

I see you’re a man of culture as well.

[@wyvern_wolf2821]

Let me play as a poor guardsmen that wound up in Fortnite because he got sucked into a warp portal. Let it happen.

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos gets stronger. All those Fortnite potential Cultists

[@jtfbreedlove]

The Covenant and Tau would not get along for religious reasons, the Tau and Banished on the other hand maybe. Vegeta's most recent transformation is literally called ultra ego.

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

Eh considering Atriox’s past, no the Banished wouldn’t get along with the Tau.

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos would corrupt Halo The people of Halo are both ignorant and greedy

[@kabob0077]

@@christiandauz3742 Ah, le troll has arrived.

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

@@kabob0077 indeed he has, he does realise that his argument is beaten by the Imperium simply existing right?

[@kabob0077]

@@Azorees-oj5zr Shh, not so loud. Buddy really thinks he has an argument so don't damper his mood yet, save that for when he gets crushed by a response.

[@Shalltear773]

Imagine if the orks discovered all of these Xeelee things and decided to give it a try with their weird psychic waaagh energy phenomenon. I am NOT saying they would succeed but the idea of it happening just because a bunch of orks or krorks believed their machinery can pull these off is frightening. edit: also I do wonder if Chaos would thrive in most of these other settings or not since there's a lot of fighting, change, etc and we don't really know the exact full power of each god except that a mere moment of focusing their attention on one galaxy broke said galaxy's back without them putting in any real effort themselves by just convincing Horus and letting things roll on from there.

[@jupitergaming5146]

Guardians from destiny could 100 percent survive in 40K. They’re basically immortal psykers that don’t have to worry about the warp.

[@weaboojones2178]

Agree and disagree. Depending on the guardian, someone like Ikora, Saint, and other prominent top-tiers would do fine for the most part. But most guardians aren’t actually as powerful as them or the player character. Sure they still have insane Light/Dark abilities, but they can still be killed via conventional means like bullet fire. And ghosts aren’t immune to non-paracausal firepower either like most people think, they can be killed through normal means so long as there’s enough force placed on it.

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

@@weaboojones2178I believe it was stated that you needed something like a heavy artillery barrage to destroy a ghost with conventional weapons, though I could be wrong about that. Basic Guardians still fight and kill beings that are a lot like Astartes for sport, so yeah.

[@whatthefeebas2505]

​@@Azorees-oj5zryou need to be in a Darkness Zone as well for said heavy artillery to even be able to do anything

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

@@whatthefeebas2505 I think that’s just gameplay.

[@whatthefeebas2505]

@@Azorees-oj5zr no, the Darkness Zones are canon now. They're apparently areas where remnants of Darkness back from the Collapse continue to linger. It's like Darkness kinda just... stained the area I guess? And now it's tained.

[@justinw-s1694]

Daleks and The Timelords wouldn't even notice the 40K galaxy was there as the time war came screaming into their reality and then screws it up and warps it beyond any comprehension.

[@Spartan135]

hadn't the war in heaven already done that?

[@thorshammer7883]

​@@Spartan135 Not on a universal scale before no. All the War In Heaven activities and resources were concentrated within the Milky Way galaxy. Including C'Tan powered weapons like the Breathe of the Gods which to Daleks and Time Lords that is a regular weapon. The weapons the Time Lords, Daleks, and the other parties and factions were fielding and had stocked were distorting reality and causing paradoxes which were ending entire clusters of galaxies in their engagements.

[@justinw-s1694]

@@Spartan135 Not on the immense scale and level of the Daleks and Timelords. Those two, even the whole Whoverse as a whole is one of the few Sci-fi Verses fully capable of challenging and competing handily with the Xelee.

[@Xo-3130]

​@@Spartan135not to the extent of the changes to the universe. In fact, in Doctor Who the universe before and after the time war are treated as completely different universes. Funny enough the Post-Time War is Canonically the 5th incarnation of same exact universe.

[@janehrahan5116]

It's not never ending. It never happened. And always happened. And is always happening. And isn't happening.

[@missjayspeechley9213]

Battletech v's 40k Warmonger Titan sees and Atlas, and the machine spirit is all "grandpa?"

[@allenbettis8558]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos corrupted Star League

[@missjayspeechley9213]

@@christiandauz3742 Amaris is most definitely corrupt, but I don't think it had anything to do with the warp

[@christiandauz3742]

@@missjayspeechley9213 Who said it was during the time of Amaris? Chaos corruption spreads much faster than the Necromorphs and offers much more power

[@missjayspeechley9213]

@@christiandauz3742 It was Stefan Amaris who brought about the Fall of Starleague

[@zephyrstrife4668]

Honestly... As much as I love the 40k setting, I've been listening to a lot of HFY stories lately and most of them emphasize the fact that if humanity isn't completely wiped out in the first engagement, they will come back with spiked brass knuckles and a fist-full of spite. If 40k and Battletech ran into each other, the winner would likely depend on how fast the Inner Sphere can mobilize to create bigger machines or more efficient ones. If the imperium is as ponderously slow as they usually are at responding to a threat, usually because they are busy giving EVERYONE the finger at the same time, then I'm certain that the Inner Sphere would unite to fight them just like what happened against the Clanners when they invaded. The imperium might win in the end, but i can pretty confidently say the Inner Sphere would make them hurt for every inch of ground... Like, they'd HAVE to send in the Kriegers.

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos Battletech casualties are very rarely in the Low Billions 40k casualties go into the Quadrillions

[@kabob0077]

@@christiandauz3742 Buddy, are you just wanking Chaos as your argument to everything? Wow, and I thought 40k stans couldn't get more predictable.

[@zephyrstrife4668]

@@christiandauz3742 oh yeah, if it came down to a battle of attrition, 40k is going to win, they simply have more bodies to throw at a problem.

[@thorshammer7883]

I imagine that by the time of the end game of any Stellaris game whether it's base game, Gigastructural Engineering, or Ancient Cache of Technologies any Army should be able to relatively wipe out a Legion of Astartes easily while being readily available for deployment and mobilization in just a couple months for each recruited army. Unlike Astartes who take decades to breed and condition and then arm and send out for deployment while suffering massive recruitment casualties at the same time.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@imaran1303 Did you even pay attention to all the variables and factors to even begin to imagine the true wide gap of power separating Endgame Stellaris factions amd especially the Modded factions like the Aeternum and Stellarborne from Warhammer 40k factions? Just how wide the technology gap is and how exponential can become? Tell me. What can the Necrons even hope to do against a Birch World with the durability to surround a super massive black hole and lines and defenses that are literal Gigastructures up to themselves? What can the Tyranids do against something which uses superior technology and weapons tactics and strageies and has access to resources which harvest stars to outpace them?

[@thorshammer7883]

@@imaran1303 What the hell are you talking about? Astartes never punched planets. Who the hell gave you that nonsensical perception? Emperor class Psykers? Wtf are you talking about? This isn't in Warhammer 40k lore. It sounds like pure made up nonsense because never once did that happen.

[@devilsluk]

@@thorshammer7883 Yeah, that's the point. Pulling out mods/fan-content for a game setting that changes the game's limitations is outside the scope of the setting's power limits.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@devilsluk These mods atleast have their own self contained continuality and I can include them if I so choose to in a logical manner. I am self aware about these things. The nonsensical claims like Astartes punching planets has no continuality in of itself.

[@coolchrisable]

@@thorshammer7883 he wasnt making claims he was using the mod aurgement where mods/fan made stuff was used then he countered with if we count mods/fanmade stuff heres his op pls nerf chapter of marines who can one tap planets

[@dragonoverlord2010]

On the Fortnite thing at the end... There will be _Nintendo_ characters in Fortnite before we have 40k characters in Fortnite, and Epic has *tried* to get Nintendo to play ball. REALLY HARD. One of their execs compared it to "making diamonds".

[@mill2712]

The one thing keeping that from happening is Nintendo wanting it's characters to be exclusive to their consoles. As many know, Nintendo is quite protective of its franchises. Samus was almost in, but Nintendo wanted her to be Nintendo exclusive, but Epic wanted her available to everyone else. Especially when they do cross play. There are only three ways this is going to go down. Nintendo allows its characters to be non-exclusive, Epic respects Nintendo's wishes and keeps their characters exclusive, or no Nintendo characters in Fortnite. The 3rd option seems more likely to me.

[@dragonoverlord2010]

@@mill2712 Yeah... Nintendo wants their toys to be in their toybox alone, and Epic doesn't like telling players one of the available toys can only be found in one of the toyboxes unless it's that old raggedy ann doll that no really wants. I mean, Fortnite has a couple console exclusive skins, I have a PC one for some reason I can't recall, but they're original designs that I've never seen anyone actually play as. I'm sure there are people who like them, but they're nothing crowds are gonna fight over. Samus on the other hand? Yeah people will absolutely fight over Samus.

[@crimsonfricker]

The Last Dragonborn would also dominate in 40k. It might not be apparent in the gameplay but the lore is insane. If the chaos gods want to corrupt the Last Dragonborn, they have to step in line because there are about a dozen Daedric Princes that want a piece of the Dragonborn.

[@kaijukingdom2686]

I’m not so sure, I feel like people are really underestimating the Chaos gods sometimes. But that could also be just me not really as deep into the Elderscrolls lore.

[@iansahleen1173]

Absolutely correct! I feel that the same would be true for Guardians from destiny

[@scottphillips6005]

@@kaijukingdom2686 Imagine chaos gods but 17 of them. Also, the most powerful one is the crazy one. There's like a 50/50 chance he would get along with Tzeentch though. Oblivion and the warp might as well be the same place. Daedra and chaos demons operate by essentially the same rules with some minor differences. For example, Sheogorath can just show up in the mortal world when he feels like it. None of the others can do that, but he seems to be able to. Imagine Khorn just showing up instead of needing a champion.

[@kaijukingdom2686]

@@scottphillips6005 hmmmm, I can see your point. However I would reiterate that while you could be right, my counter is…The chaos gods aren’t just connected to one reality, they are connected to other realities, other universes. While i didn’t read the book someone did mention the Archaon the ever chosen tried destroying Chaos gods, only to find that out that there other worlds similar to his own where these gods spread their influence in.

[@Mare_Man]

As someone who loves TES and Skyrim in particular, 40k stomps. And they stomp _hard_

[@akumaking1]

There’s a Transformers/40K crossover project in 1d4chan

[@kabob0077]

1:52 Can you say "Holy War?" Because Covies would have one against the Tau.

[@crowe6961]

The Covenant would fit in well in 40k. More of a threat than the Tau and too big to be ignored, but simultaneously too small to bother crusading against too much if they don't start anything major with the Imperium. They and the Tau engaging in internecine squabbling at the fringes of Imperial space and winding up creating increasingly large xenos empires of every species that's halfway civilized and not wiped out in the region through the war, would actually be an interesting story. The Covenant would establish themselves as another anti-Imperial banner to flock to, and the Tau might start granting their human populations more rights to keep up, since the Covenant wouldn't tolerate them.

[@40kconquest10]

You had that same problem in math class to. Funny part was for me I was using college techniques to get the answers really possible off my math teachers when they didn't understand what I was doing and the principal told them to stop bothering me with it when I would argue them into the dirt why there methods where stupid.

[@kabob0077]

Anytime I have had a discussion on 40k someone has _deliberately ignored_ my refutations and evidence on why they are wrong with near Iron Warriors levels of headstrong "no, [insert thing here] isn't as [strong/good/whatever] as [Insert thing here] because 40k's is better." Like Plasma Weapon being touted as better than other franchise's because they're "as hot as a star." Well stars can be cooler than Tungsten's melting point which is 6,192F or 3,422C, sure the core could be far hotter but the surface can be significantly colder. Hot as a star is a fucking stupid as argument because it is so vauge and obviously the creation of writers who don't know how to do scale. The CIS from Star Wars could take on the Imperium, ya know why? Because of Industrial Capacity, Logistics, and FTL. In the time it takes for the Imperium to start a Crusade and get the ball rolling the CIS could have twice or more the Crusade's number of troops, ships, vehicles, and already be moving around in Imperial space and doing attacks or invasions with near impunity because of how the Warp works. The Imperium cannot win a prolonged war against most Star Wars factions on a level playing field it'd look like America vs Japan in WW2 all over again with how utterly JACKED the industrial capacity of Star Wars (especially Legends) is by comparison. Then there's the blatantly OP BS shit from Legends like Centerpoint Station which can move planets and the Sun Crusher which is a starfighter sized WMD that is nigh indestructible and, as the name suggests, destroys stars (Thanks to the Maw Installation for this monster, yes the Sun Crusher is an Imperial design not something from long ago). There's the Galaxy Gun which can shoot you from across the Galaxy, the Sovereign and Eclipse class SSDs with the Sovereign having an underslung Super Laser slightly weaker than the Death Star's (Palpy wanted these mass produced), and the there's stuff like the Star Forge which just PRINTS STARSHIPS, DROIDS, WEAPONS, AND OTHER GEAR! Even if we stuck just to the CIS and their less insane Legends gear what can the Imperium do against a faction that can quite literally do the exact same thing the Imperium does but with even more stuff even down to the production of starships, even if the CIS needed a 4 to 1 advantage on taking down an Imperium of Man ship they can just make it 8 or like 20 to 1 since they can afford to. Hell, they can drown the Tau and the Imperium in Droids, take the Tau's stuff, take the Imperium's stuff after winning a couple of battles, and have countermeasures and advances in tech to make the Confederate war machine even stronger as the war goes on. Think of a B3 with a Multi-Melta and more, a B2 with a Multilasee, or a B1 with a Hellgun being as common on a battlefield as a Guardsman with a Lasgun, the CIS could very well do that.

[@memosanchez8916]

The cis could drown the imperium of man if it was one on one thing and if it was the 40k imperium with its stagnation but the great crusade imperium is a completely different story even though it could drown the imperium in the 40k it would still take huge amounts of losses and true they can drown the tau out but pretty much any faction can the cis would get stomped by the necrons that have forerunner tier tech and outclass the cos tech wise it’s not even funny. As for the plasma argument that other 40 k fans bring up the “hot as a small star is hyperbole” their legit exists a schematics map of an imperial plasma gun on the 40k wiki the nozzle is made of an adementium ventellation alloy that has a melting radius of over 3600 Celsius and while it use to kill the user if overheated the imperium has refined it thanks to belesaruis cawl and is way safer to use in the current lore and more common among space marine primaris .

[@kabob0077]

​@@memosanchez8916 Sure the CIS might not be able to take on the Great Crusade era-Imperium but there's also the fact that the Imperium of that era is also actually organized and actively communicating with itself for the most part, it doesn't take ten months for something to end up on someone's desk. The current Imperium meanwhile has the same problem as someone who has had their hemispheres disconnected, the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing and if there's a conflict of interest, a miscommunication, or just someone not telling someone else something important or vital then there's something bound to go wrong at best or a Dawn of War Soulstorm or Dark Crusade at worst. There's also the fact that the Emperor living means the Adeptus Mechanicus are walking a very, _very_ fine line between cooperation and keeping "their" stuff to themselves, current AdMech meanwhile can do pretty much whatever the hell they want and keep whatever they want for themselves since there's no Emperor around to make sure his deal is enforced and that the Imperium is getting the equipment it's promised. There's so much that can go wrong with the current Imperium that the CIS can essentially pick it apart as they please, every ship the Imperium of Man loses, every planet that changes hands, every Space Marine that falls in battle, and every AdMech world taken out of action either permanently or temporarily is another blow in a war of attrition the Imperium cannon actually win. Sure a Space Marine is worth far more than a single B1 or B2 but the problem is that, much like with the Skaven, there's never just _one_ and with an unrestrained CIS with no Palpatine to play both sides into being of the same industrial capacity and equal power there's nothing stopping the CIS from doing something as batshit insane as making the Protodeka a semi-common vehicle once they see Baneblades or Titans or developing more of their insane prototype units and models into actual mass production types. Imagine the Defoliatior from Clone Wars as a common SPG or even perfected to bomber dropped ordinance. There's also the B3 battle droid.

[@crowe6961]

​ @kabob0077 You act as though, in 40k, a random Inquisitor wouldn't have a very real chance of seeing something funky in the Emperor's Tarot and prepare to start flinging all the Exterminatus-grade ordnance they could find at the CIS once they tried to start establishing themselves. Certainly been done before. The Imperium doesn't fight fair when it does figure out there's a fight to be had, and PDF and hastily-mobilized conscript numbers are actually large enough to contest droid numbers in the grand scheme of things, they're just not really capable of interstellar offensive operations. The Imperial Guard is the top 5-10% of the PDF. The CIS would also be highly vulnerable to Chaos corruption. AI and Chaotic scrapcode do not play nicely with each other.

[@kabob0077]

@@crowe6961 And how much red tape would that random Inquisitor have to cut through to get all that out there? And what about the fact that the Warp is a fickle thing while Hyperspace is an exact science, sure the Inquisitor _could_ mobilize a lot of assets but how long would it be for all that stuff to actually get on the move? How long for the Crusade to be organized? What about the travel time from the place of organization to their first objectives? Hyperspace can take a few hours or days to get from point A to B depending on how far away you are, the Warp meanwhile could be insane travel times that you have no idea of when exactly you will arrive. The CIS can do coordinated fleet movements with twice the amount of ships in a quarter of the time and when they say it will take them 16 hours to get to a location it will take them 16 hours to get to a location. You are forgetting the most important and yet overlooked aspect of why I give the edge to the CIS, the one aspect almost every other Sci-fi or Sci-fy setting has over 40k that every 40k debater ignores, Logistics and Communication. You know what wins Wars? Logistics and Communication make or break wars and battles, if you can't actively get the gear to a front you will lose that front, if you can't tell your men what to do in a certain amount of time you will fail at what task you set out for. You know what ground the German and French war machines to a halt in Russia? Logistics, the Germans couldn't get supplies like parts for vehicles to the front (not helped by the nigh Lovecraftian Nightmare that is the parts and ammo for all the captured equipment and vehicles they used, seriously it's a nightmare) in great enough quantities while Napoleon could not get resources to his army in addition to unfamiliar terrain. And for communication, do you know what secured German victory over the French at the onset of WW2? Communication and Coordination between units, the French tanks for example where over all better than the German tanks of the time but the Germans all had radios in them and could coordinate and out maneuver the French tanks. The CIS can have every droid linked to a single ship or Super Tactical droid and have unmatched coordination and near perfectly execute plans, if the Imperium is fighting over a CIS planet then a single Hyperspace capable ship breaking off can be a call for reinforcements that will bring even more ships into the fight or catch the Imperium off guard while they're conducting Exterminatus. Add in the fact that CIS ships can and do operate on mostly or all droid crews even the ships themselves can be weapons, what would the Imperium do if several enemy ships just started ramming them while they're mid Exterminatus? Not much, and for every ship the Imperium loses that's more tech that can be scavenged and reverse engineered for later.

[@crowe6961]

@@kabob0077 Inquisitors are professionals at cutting through red tape, it's kind of why they exist. Some do so extremely unsubtly and just pull rank while others work more quietly within the system. Thing is, AI in the Imperium sets off every alarm bell, everywhere, especially among the Mechanicus, Ecclesiarchy, and Inquisition... you know, some of the primary Imperial organizations with vast political power and private fleets and armies, in addition to the official ones. An AI revolt was substantially responsible for the mess that resulted in the Imperium needing to be created in the first place, so all of this would be taken with abnormal seriousness rather than taking 50 years to be noticed. Also, have you not noticed that Imperial Navy ships tend to be heavily armored, massive, and have ramming prows? If they've just launched some cyclonic torpedoes or whatever, they can simply turn towards the enemy and accelerate to deal with a CIS ramming maneuver, then rake whatever's left of any capital ships into scrap with their broadsides. Imperial Navy fleet doctrine is designed for finishing enemy fleets in close-range brawls like that, after attrition from fighters, anti-ship torpedoes, and long-range energy weapons take their toll on the approach. Also, the average Lunar-class cruiser and escorts would make mincemeat of anything but the most capable CIS vessels, and those are workhorses of the Imperial fleet seen almost everywhere.

[@racknack5778]

It's funny since i went to a big Warhammer game and i asked them all what got them into 40K they all said what if the emperor had a text to speech device that was 65 people that said that by the way

[@tzeentch8228]

Me thinking about Chaos aligned Saiyens: No, no, no, no, HELL NO!

[@christiandauz3742]

Yes, yes, YESYESYES!!! Chaos Vong, Chaos Viltrumites, Chaos Supreme Commanders, Chaos Forerunners

[@kabob0077]

@@christiandauz3742 Time Lords erase Chaos.

[@bthsr7113]

@@christiandauz3742 Did you just Say VONG!? Oh hell no, those freaks aren't getting that! DEPLOY ALL BIOWEAPONS AND PREPARE FOR DELTA ZERO FLEET BOMBARDMENTS!!

[@3volution636]

@kabob0077 Dr. Who is mid...

[@shcdemolisher]

Seeing your brain slowly being broken by the stuff in the Xeelee sequence is hilarious! :D

[@John2r1]

I would have to disagree about the UNSC rolling over. Because they are about as stubborn as the Squats and have an amout of Forerunner weapons and technology available. In addition to the scientific knowledge to produce super soldiers on mass. Even if we take the UNSCs population before war at 58 billion and post war at 35 billion and say their military representatives 7% of the population and they augment just that percentage of their population that would be 2.450 billion or 2 billion 450 million Spartan-IV level super soldiers physically speaking anyways. The fact that they have Huragok aka those Engineers that were mentioned in his Covenant video helping them reverse engineer technology. Means they will definitely catch up and exceed the factions of 40k technologically rather quickly. So post war UNSC stands fairly decent chance of survival if they do something most Sci-Fi factions don't do.. use their God-Emperors damn brains for something. Which they usially do. Also he didn't go into details when presenting the UNSC in 40k. Probably because he's an elf fan and the UNSC are too close to Squats and Tau when it comes to dealing with other factions. If the UNSC could fortify the Tau empire enough to destroy the Democles Gulf Crusade fleet sent by the Imperium then logic would dictate that they could fortify the hell out of their own territory to that point in the same amount of time. They already have Super MACs and both the knowledge and technology to build Nova Bombs. Which were originally intended to be used in naval warfare against fleets. So in my opinion given their technological, access to what Forerunner and Ancient Human technology as well as their Huragok super computer engineer pets they have the ability to survive. Please everyone note I said Survive. Their not dominating the universe. They are just sitting in their heavily fortified corner and keeping everyone else a Super MACs range away from them which they have at least built them to the point of firing at a quarter of the speed of light. So if they do the smart thing we get to see large ships with ever increasing in power super MACs, with Nova Bombs as rounds, over 2 billion super soldiers (Spartan-IVs) and a lot of reverse engineered Forerunner and Ancient Human weapons and technologies mostly small arms initially anyways. With some craft and vehicles. Not enough to be the Forerunners but enough to make most factions stay away from them individually. So when you dig into the Current UNSC you start realizing they Survive in 40k. But wouldn't be doing much more than the Tau in terms of overall power.

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos corrupts Halo, Star Wars, Battletech, etc

[@kabob0077]

@@christiandauz3742 Okay, Time Lords _erase_ 40k so 40k never exists.

[@John2r1]

@@christiandauz3742 Depends on what route the story teller takes . Because Humans didn't start showing any psychic abilities until millennia later. So they may not even have any psychic abilities or connection at all really so could be about as affected by the Warp as the Tau are. Which is to say they are likely not going to be corrupted by demons straight away. Or since they are from alternate universes where the Warp doesn't exist they may not have any connection to the Warp making them more similar to Psychic Blanks aka an Untouchable, a psychic Null, and a Pariah in effect. Which would be a major problem for psykers and Chaos. So that is a how they are written in to the setting issue. Also the UNSC are honestly not even a snack on a demons shopping list. And IF for some reason you decide to go this route then their psychic presents in the war and religions means they might just spawn a new god. On earth today Christians 31.5% of the world population. Muslims make up 23.2% of the population. Unaffiliated make up 16% of the population. Hindus make up 15% of the population. Buddhists make up roughly 7% of the population. Jews are 0.2% of the population. In addition, more than 400 million people (6%) practice various folk or traditional religions, including African traditional religions, Chinese folk religions, Native American religions and Australian aboriginal religions. An estimated 58 million people - slightly less than 1% of the global population - belong to other religions, including the Baha’i faith, Jainism, Sikhism, Shintoism, Taoism, Tenrikyo, Wicca and Zoroastrianism, to mention just a few. So unless you would like for say the Hindu religions version which views the entire universe as God's and everything in the universe as God. Hindus believe that each person is intrinsically divine and the purpose of life is to seek and realise the divinity within all of us. Essentially turn themselves into gods. Or the Jewish/Christian/Muslim version of God to take form which all three being Abrahamic religions creating their God which All Abrahamic religions claim to be monotheistic, worshiping an exclusive God, although one who is known by different names. And the belief that God is also transcendent, meaning that he is outside of both space and time and therefore not subject to anything within his creation, but at the same time a personal God, involved, listening to prayer, and reacting to the actions of his creatures. So that kind of god appears and removes all of the other gods from existance then what happens with one god sitting on his golden thrown surrounded by his angels. Yeah the Warp becomes a lot different if you go that route. Also the belief that certain religious symbols protect the people to include holy books , crosses , and other such symbols which appear not only as personal trinkets but in their architecture as well . Ever looked at the beam structure of a building ? They are all crosses. Hence the term Cross Beams . And the Cross is a Christian symbol. Ergo the demons of Chao could never affect them because of their religions And it's symbols being all around them. If there were literal demons showing up a whole lot of people would be going to church ,mosques, synagogues and temples to become part of their religion and be forgiven of their sins by their god. Because that 16% of unaffiliated people were generally raised in a religion and abandoned it after becoming adults. So would rather quickly repent . Making your entire argument for Chaos corruption completely void.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@John2r1 Warp feeds of emotions, thoughts and actions All sentient beings are capable of all three, dumbass

[@kabob0077]

@@John2r1 You destroyed him.

[@themalcontent100]

The devils and demons from dnd would equal the warp gods. Unlike warp gods, the devils just go to a hive world and trade sandwiches for souls.

[@crowe6961]

The Ordo Malleus and friends would have a word, they deal with this nonsense for a living and do a pretty good job, given the circumstances.

[@themalcontent100]

@@crowe6961 the problem with that is their wards don't mean anything. Faith is just psychic stuf in warhammer. A devil doesn't need a psyker to enter a hive or board a ship.

[@crowe6961]

​ @themalcontent100 As if they wouldn't vaporize the entire hab block to get at the thing if they had to? You guys don't know how the Imperium operates, especially the Inquisition. Better a thousand deaths now than a million later, is what they'd say. Better a billion now than 40 billion later. They've been there, done that, over and over. Their conclusion? They have no right NOT to act like that. The cost is too great...

[@syrienangel4137]

@@themalcontent100 But they also have no defense against Psykers which is just magic fueled up on meth. It's also not just faith, it's reality bending laws of physics. If a Psykers says a demon will die from his attack, the demon *will* die.

[@dariustiapula]

Warframe Tenno would make eldar moves like cripple elderly.

[@Titanic_Tuna]

*Eldarly*

[@ssjjshawn]

So one quick addendum: The Xelee didnt leave because it was sick of Humanities shit. Oh no it was far far worse than that. So there a concept in the setting called a Monad. Thats God. Monads create entire realities by dreaming, lookibg for life. If a Universe spawns with no life, a Monad will wake up and go back to sleep to try again. That destroys that universe, it no longer exists. Monads observe their universes for life and for stories. They are basically the Flood in thought for that. But how they observe universes is that they stay inside of the epicenters of Supermassive Blackholes. Now when the ICOG was sending shit at the Xelee, they eventually got weapons that started to distablize the Supermassive Blackhole. ICOG was about to inadvertently wake up God, and end reality. Thats why the Xelee left. Also the last surviving entites in the universe are as follows: And Immortal dude and a Sentient Cloud (From a Race of Sentient Clouds thats super fucking hate Humanity) on a star just staring at eachother, The Dark Matter Birds. And Ironically Humanity on Earth itself. While Raft starts the saga, it turns out the Photino Birds did actually notice the Hypercube that the Xelee built over earth (That Hypercube was built after the Xelee defeated the Trancendece, to stop Humanity from every leaving their Homeworld again, because even for how shitty this Humanity is (The Xelee's whole Goal is to save most of their universe, by the time the Trancendece came around, Humanity had wiped out most of its nearly superclusters and colonised it all. And the Xelee beat all of that back to the Stone Age (Literally) within 24 hours) the Xelee didnt want to wipe Humanity fully out.) and managed to find a way to vaguely communicate with Humanity

[@Mondy667]

Thr fact that the Qax have the audacity to hate humanity is hilarious

[@ssjjshawn]

@@Mondy667 >We enslave them >erase their entire history, literally >Let's a random Slave anywhere nearby a super weapon, and they are somehow suprised that this same race then blows up their homeworld >Good ole Qax

[@Xaytan]

I ran across a "the imperium runs across the world of the last video game you played" post a while back. And I kinda glanced over at Final Fantasy XIV. I'm pretty sure the Warrior of Light would stoicly nod and beat Khorne to death as a mid expansion 8 man.

[@thomascranor2668]

Canonically, the WoL has defeated a chaos god of despair. And turned it into a collectible pet. Not even joking.

[@Xaytan]

@thomascranor2668 I can't wait to farm The Golden Throne (Extreme) for a mount I will never use.

[@thomascranor2668]

It'd probably be the golden throne itself. Lol

[@elenorefangirl3389]

In Battletech, the Clans can breed Elementals by the thousands if needed, whereas it takes a century or more for a Space Marine chapter to get to full strength.

[@crowe6961]

Have you checked how many Sisters of Battle there are? Sure, not quite Space Marines, but they literally have the God-Emperor on their side and His favor is often made manifest on the battlefield in blindingly obvious fashion when they get stuck in.

[@elenorefangirl3389]

@@crowe6961 Both would be stomped on by a mech.

[@crowe6961]

@@elenorefangirl3389 They have some kind of EM-initiated fusion guns as standard support weapons. Fire rate is low and range is kinda trash because mass-produced models ditched presumably expensive tech that would keep the beam more coherent, but they melt very large holes into heavy armor and can easily cook an MBT. Even a fancy sci-fi MBT. You do not want to try that sort of stunt against the Sororitas.

[@elenorefangirl3389]

@@crowe6961 ER pulse lasers would shred them from a long distance long before those Melta weapons get into range. And that's not talking about plasma rifles, ER flamers,, and inferno missiles (LRM, SRM, ARM, MRM). Infantry in Battletech have a short lifespan if they don't luck out. So those SoB and Space Marines are still getting stomped.

[@crowe6961]

@@elenorefangirl3389 Are we pretending the Imperial infantry doesn't have fire support and walkers to back them up too again? The Mechanicus loves a good brawl, and combined-arms operations are rather typical affairs...

[@thorshammer7883]

I would like to see Warhammer 40k meet the Supreme Commander verse. That verse has some crazy production capabilities even if logistics have it's limitations. Even when isolated a colony with Supreme Commander production facilities can produce a organzied army of robots in the tens of thousands in mere minutes and produce more and more infrastructure production factories. I would like to see a Tyranid hivefleet try to make pass that with numbers. Good luck fighting a infinite wave of aircraft, seaships, submarines, giant mechs, gunships, missiles, and all sort of vehicles. A Supreme Commander tribe can make even a large sector fleet have a very bad unfortunate day if they try to exterminate them. Especially if said weapons are becoming more adaptivity advance overtime while the Imperium remain stagnant or worse regressive. Not even linear improvements to hold up which is the worse thing about Warhammer 40k nations. They almost never advance even when they have good opportunities to improve their military. Like that group of Guardmen which were said to have performed better then a Astartes Legion as a cohesive fighting force. They are not around anymore and their standards are forgotten. Institution incompetence. They are stiffnecked stubborn morons alot of the times even when they know it would be better without much risk. It is a bit sad that Doctor Who didn't make it in this video. The Doctor Who Expanded Universe has a few things that can impress or rival even the entirety of Xeelee Sequence and Manifold verses to a extent with constructs like the Glory which is one overpowered device which would impress even a Downstreamer. It is a tragedy the Doctor Who franchise is being grinded into the dirt again with constant defilements these past few years and even worse now. What a tragedy has befallen it. I can already imagine a Dalek mocking the Breathe of the gods superweapon the Necrons used to have calling it primitive and insubstantial.

[@coolchrisable]

since we going with supreme commander lets go with its spiritual predasor total annihilation with in that game you had 2 factions waring for what a few thousand years between Core and arm witch was basically Core being people who went the necron route with biotransferance and wanted everyone to becoem that and arm who was basically like naw being a robot is gay. samething applies jsut with less super weapons ( core is the only faction with that mech the Korgoth). out side of that they can do everything like in surpreme commander. star trek is also verse that people sleep on phaser tech being jsut down right unfair since it does what necron gauss weapons do jsut instant. the borg with their adaptive shields, along with their weaponry and hive mind way. also i would put the Xeelee Sequence above the doctor who verse just with the amount of op pls nerf bs the Xeelee Sequence has.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@coolchrisable The Doctor Who verse with factions at their prime should make the Xeelee concerned. You see in Doctor Who there are alot of fancy universal or multiversal superweapons which exist. From matter erasing weapons like the Reality bomb, to multiversal existence ending weapons like the Ultimate Sanction and the Eye of Harmony both being weapons of multiverse power that can tear the time vortex apart and wiping the creation of the Doctor Who multiverse. Then there are being who operate outside the Time Lords like the Grace and then the most powerful device ever constructed in Doctor Who the Glory which goes beyond all multiverses and manipulate the Doctor Who omniverse which consists of other multiverses as well. The Doctor Who Expanded Universe is no push over even for the likes of the Xeelee.

[@dannybutts6877]

If you want to see some supreme Commander interacting with 40K and then I recommend looking up The A Stranger in a War-Torn Galaxy: A Supreme Commander/WH40k Quest by bot Commander

[@zegawar1594]

It's all fun and games for the 40k universe until the tier one bomber spam blocks out the sun. You think a nid invasion has numbers. But nothing compares to the tier 1 bomber spam.

[@coolchrisable]

@@zegawar1594 teir 1 bomber spam with scouts . just blotting out the sky as the commander jsut micromanages his army against the imperium as he goes for T2

[@dannyrodriguez9966]

Also more things to add, bleach in that universe the higher end soul reapers can kill gods and that’s not getting into the esapdas and the higher end quinces, the other one is idw transformers, let’s just say they can make the necrons concerned because of there technology and they are immune to magic soo yeah

[@timexyemerald6290]

How do you know if their technology work or not?. Unless it is shown that their technology doesn't work. Your comment is baseless. Heck even bleachs technology and shimigamy might doesn't even register as soul power of 40k. Even 40k warp power doesn't even register as magic in bleach. Just because one anime character that has immunity, doesn't mean it is also immune to other fictional worlds magic as well. They are completely different. 2 completely different fictional world that has something called mana doesn't mean that 2 mana are the same thing even if it called mana in both fictions and acts exactly like each other.

[@dannyrodriguez9966]

@@timexyemerald6290 I know it because I have read the idw comics and played the games that they showed some of this technology in affect and if u read those comics you know the one mainly making those pieces of tech is shockwave

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos corrupted Shinigami

[@dannyrodriguez9966]

@@christiandauz3742 then that would be over for 40k

[@edmarespaniola4241]

​@@christiandauz3742 bruh shinagamis literally specializes on purification. That's what they do on hollows. It's like a hard counter to corruption.

[@kabob0077]

19:07 They can probably be counted on one hand, two at the most.

[@diggman88]

The funny thing about the melee battlemech it's not Kurita, it's Davion's. Yeah, go figure.

[@DemitriVladMaximov]

The only reason I subscribed to you is because I watched your TTS reactions. I love your other videos, but without TTS I wouldn't have found you.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

Same.

[@mikoajciemiega8018]

Imagine the scenario Khorne finally getting his fat ass of his chair, finally deciding to destroy 40k setting, gods are doing the end times part 2 And then slayer shows up, swings at him once and khorne, his entire realm of chaos and every khorne deamon get obliterated out of existence

[@discountplaguedoctor88]

Angron would likely salute him in thanks.

[@NameIsDoc]

Khorne would love slayer

[@christiandauz3742]

Good imagination Doomslayer couldn't fight all of Hell at once on his own!!! He NEEDED an army in the DLC!!!!!

[@discountplaguedoctor88]

@@christiandauz3742 Thanks for killing the joke.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@discountplaguedoctor88 Thought you retards were serious Doomslayer can only fight 50 Demons at a time Doombreed would curbstomp him

[@saintmayhem9873]

The Borg from Star Trek would very quickly become unstoppable if they ever took a single hive world.

[@peco0012]

I would be terrified of what would happen if they got their hands on any of the more advanced tech’s the 40k universe has in it. Their transwarp conduits are also very good when put up alongside 40k warp travel. Plop them in some uncharted space and they would probably find some great tech and maybe even a lost human civilization or two to assimilate

[@masiethespiral]

Most games where you can build civilizations in space could win cause the designers just like to put awesome and powerful stuff at the end of the tech trees, and the size of the empire is just as big as the "galaxy size" sliders at the start of the game will allow.

[@trinstonmichaels7062]

The video didn't cover enough stuff that would crush 40k.

[@trinstonmichaels7062]

@@imaran1303 40k is on the higher end of fiction but it's not in the upper tiers. It does crush most Syfy settings but there is a lot that does beat it.

[@janehrahan5116]

@@imaran1303 dudes main content is 40k, and its in his top 3 favorite sci fi settings, the reality is 40k fanboys overhype it by ignoring its downsides.

[@crimsonfricker]

@@imaran1303 You're the one that extremely overscales 40k. From another comment thread, you also think the Tyranids would get Toon Force if they ate Bugs Bunny. This shows that you don't understand how Toon Force works and also don't understand how Tyranids work. They don't just instantly get the powers of everything they consume, it's a process that takes time. Time that they will never get against Toons or characters with powers that enable them to leave the story, change, and alter it to their whims. Even if the Tyranids successfully eat a Toon, they wouldn't get anything because Toon Force is not a biological ability. Spongebob Squarepants will fold the entire 40k verse hundreds of times over before going back to work in the Krusty Krab the next morning.

[@thelonehunter6025]

​​@@imaran1303The problem with the viltrumites is they absolutely do stomp the 40k verse. For starters every single one of those remaining viltrumites is strong enough to end planets by themselves. Every single viltrumite in the Empire even if they're just 50 of them is a living exterminatus. Considering Omni man can stop a meteor the size of Texas and throw it back into outer space what's stopping him from chucking it at a nearby imperial planet that doesn't surrender. They could destroy any imperial world by just throwing a big rock at it the same way Abaddon destroyed cadia throwing a black stone fortress at it. So they could just show up to a planet and be like surrender and if they declined they could just fly to space grab a meteor and destroy it instantly. And considering singular viltrumites can fly faster than imperial ships using warp drives they could destroy entire imperial Battle fleets by flying right through them at light speed using their bodies as projectiles and destroying them effortlessly. And the main reason that guarantees that the viltrumite Empire could conquer 40K is that in the invincible comics the viltrumites discovered that humans are the perfect species to reproduce with because their kids end up producing nearly 100% pure viltrumites. So if the viltrumites capture an isolated imperial Hive world and turn it into a breeding camp in 20 years they would have an army of hundreds of millions to billions of viltrumites and at that point the Galaxy is screwed. The imperium will be in trouble with just 50 of them now imagine there's hundreds of millions if not billions of them.

[@crimsonfricker]

@imaran1303 where are you bro? why your comments gone?

[@Archon3960]

40k isn't that overpowered compared to this cat staring into my soul. Can Dark Eldar stare into your soul? No they can't, they lost that when they turned their back on totally-not-magical psychic powers. xD

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos is OP Doombreed was once a normal human. Now, he slaughters entire Hiveworlds on his own Imagine if Anakin or a Supreme Commander was corrupted

[@kabob0077]

@@christiandauz3742 So, how much did the Chaos Lord who hired you pay for you to come here and jerk Chaos off?

[@Archon3960]

​@@christiandauz3742 I was just talking bout a _cat_ for Throne's sake!! 😂

[@bthsr7113]

Deadsspace is cosmic/body horror with a heavy industrial backdrop. I think you'd groove on it given all the nightmares of SCP and 40k. On their best day, I could see a united sphere with integrated Clan support making things into a very costly victory for the Imperium with combined arms, asymmetrical engagement, scorched earth tactics, and in some cases, a zeal to hold the line that approaches Astra Militarum levels with far fewer rules tying their hands for tactics. If we get speculative about the sphere reverse engineering salvage from Imperial tech, then maybe they might reach Tau Empire level of being far more difficult to wipe out than the gains of their defeat could justify. But this requires a lot of things to go just right, and assumes the Imperium wants to take and hold usable planets, as opposed to just annihilating all opposition to the God Emperor's rule being the ultimate objective with a few thousand cinder worlds being considered acceptable collateral damage. Fun Fact: It was the Lyrans who made the first dedicated mech melee weapon. The Hatchet. The Combine actually lagged several years behind because of stuck up mechwarriors insisting that honorable samurai would never use brutish hatchets, with the most stubborn refusing to use anything less than a glorious honorable sword as a replacement for guns, energy weapons, and missile launchers. Hatchet debuted in 3022. Sword in 3058. Green Arrow has had some pretty potent high ex arrows, and in the silly silver age.... an atomic warhead arrow. I worry wishing for more Eldar lore and Eldar focused stories could be a monkey's paw deal knowing GW. Welcome to the levelS above lowly cosmic plebians. Not the first time I've seen the idea of compressing and combining timelines, but this one feels much more clinical than say... Shao Khan conquering them into a multiversal singularity so he may never be wanting for worlds to dominate and territory to add. These aren't the only sapient Dark Matter entities I've heard of, but the Pa'Nuri are pipsqueaks compared to the Photino birds. The Lightless Wind, as one Galactic Cycle knew them, fought hard for the fate of just two galaxies. Sure, they forced people tot resort to time travel to save the Milky Way, but that was just a few months back, and they needed to trick those in control of the Milky Way's Galactic core to do a lot of the setup.

[@darkreflection9087]

The Kirby universe could probably beat 40K

[@kryvex4996]

*eat 40k

[@darkreflection9087]

@@kryvex4996 that too

[@Guttertank266]

The ancients: Nova delete them

[@norsehorse84]

glad you had the same reaction to the xeelee sequence as I did, because omg.

[@thorshammer7883]

If you guys thought the Xeelee and Transcendent were the most powerful known sci fi faction known well there at least a couple more called the Downstreamers from Manifold and a large religious civilization called the Church of the 2nd Hytoth from the SCP Mythos. The Downstreamers are a far more overpowered fictional version of humanity then the Transcendent ever got the chance to be. They have created different types of universes with different design models and relative laws if physics before and even alternate a entire multiversal cosmology to operate in any kind of fuction they intend. Kind of like The Star Maker a 1987 Novel entity by Olaf something whatever his last name was. And the Church of the 2nd Hytoth are a universal religion that expands across the entire material universe and has been able to maintain itself for a very long time who worship a pantheon of seven Low Elder gods with the names of Rakmou at the start. Only one remains however as unfortunately the others ones have fallen. Each one even in weaken states are able to annihilate entire galaxies instantly without much effort and fight a ravenous horde of entities from a hellish non-existence realm which is called the Voru, known as the Voruteut. The Voruteut are more dangerous then even the Photino Birds due to how fast they are at corrupting or eating a entire universe. These Seven low elder gods fought against them and now only Rakmou Leusan remains and faces them alone. I don't think the Voruteut are as powerful as the Scarlet King is but they definitely are a pretty dangerous cosmic horde. One I doubt even the Gravemind could come up with a effective proactively adaptive strategy to defeat in time. You can imagine the Voruteut would be a nightmare for the Xeelee. The old Doctor Who cosmology may also have something that might be comparable to the Downstreamer's Manifold. In the Doctor Who Expanded Universe there is this tremendously powerful devise called the Glory which capabilities and capacity stretches across all multiverses of the omniverse beyond the Doctor's own multiverse.

[@requiemlul3140]

Stellaris: ACOT Mod: SBTG submod: The Stellarborne. A race of each universal tier entities wich exist in all universes. If you beat their challenge they offer you to merge with EVERY OTHER INSTANCE OF YOUR EMPIRE ACROSS THE OMNIVERSE and a bit of their tech. That is the reward.

[@thorshammer7883]

​@@requiemlul3140 Why are you blending universal civilization with multiverse? And why the term omniverse?

[@requiemlul3140]

@@thorshammer7883 1. I mean as in they can destroy universes. 2. Cause Multiverse=/= omniverse. Multiverse= franchise specific (like all of marvel, or a specific canon of marvel and its variants), Omiverse=literally all of everything. You could say I guess that multiverse would be the correct term here, bout I feel omniverse gives the right emphasis.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@requiemlul3140 Can you prove they destroyed universes? I would like to say where they state these things in the mod. And why keep merging the terms multiverse with omniverse? This will only create unnecessary confusion.

[@requiemlul3140]

@@thorshammer7883 Bear in mind the official timeline is badly translated from Chinese, so I do have some interpretation to do and am likely wrong on some parts. In the official ACOT timeline the Omegans, wich used the same tech as the Stellarborne (I’m not exactly sure they are the same), were created from the Omega Sentience, wich is a Sentient Outverse that healed itself after almost being destroyed trough the sacrifice of the children of the being wich almost destroyed it to begin with. The Omegans fought the Shroud Masters, wich are basically Chaos Gods, and in their war the Shroud was made into its own dimension. The ingame descriptions of buildings have them making spacial anomalies and resources out of nothing. They have literal universal gateways. Lower civilizations they gave tech to imprison their criminals in separate dimensional prisons. The lower civs created the enemy the prethoryn scourge is running from after losing even the lesser technologies the Omegans gave them. Lastly, the most powerful tech you can develop trough them is a device that among others gives you the option to destroy reality. Yeah. If you would wait a bit, I recently watched a guide on ACOT without the SBTG submod, and frankly the stuff you’ll see in there is already ridiculous. You can also search for stellaris maginot systems on KZbin. The giant white and gold glowing spheres are Stellarborne tech.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

An Army of Ben 10's id confidently say would solo most of fiction. They'd be like Ultron, being very "United", though if its anything like shown in The Alien Force Series, Alien X, The Genius Aliens like Juryrig, Grey Matter and Brainstorm, or even just an Officer Group like the Commisars of Warhammer could solve the problem of Ben 10 Alien Cloning. But basically, there's the Almighty Supreme Leader, Alien X, his commanders/generals being powerful heavy hitters like Atomix etc. Foot Soldiers being Humungasaur and Four Arms. Construction being Four Arms, Ditto and Echo Echos, and Technological Upgrades and construction being done by Upgrade, Brainstorm, Juryrig etc etc etc, spies being Ghost freak and such.

[@exodiaexodus]

azathoth would casually body them. and so would a few of the true upper tier characters like the great evil beast of stories from dc

[@LoneWolf20213]

Warhammer might be strong and large, but they are not invincible or unbeatable, a legitimate god or goddess can probably one shot everyone in Warhammer

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos corruption

[@kabob0077]

@@christiandauz3742 Is that all you can say?

[@LoneWolf20213]

@@kabob0077 standard Warhammer fanboy defense for compensating for his lack of power in his fantasy setting

[@kabob0077]

@@LoneWolf20213 It's so standard it's like the Lasgun or AK of 40k related arguments. Look he's even liked his own comment too!

[@LoneWolf20213]

@@kabob0077 yeah, chaos corruption is basically a scapegoat for power scaling cause it's suppose to be oh so powerful when in fact, resisting it is not even that hard, space marines for example didn't fall to chaos over night, it had to take time, and even then, many chapters you think would fall don't so it's not even that viable for power scaling anyway

[@wandiriswan6116]

Did this get shadowbanned?

[@dakotalange2858]

I want my *old man the ponder edition emoji* 26:36

[@parkermaisterra8532]

Hearing pancreas talk about Xeelee Sequence is hilarious

[@kennethquinnies6023]

The xeelee main weapon on their ships was called by humans " starbreaker ", it was the size of a handgun. It fired coherent gravity waves that destroyed almost all matter, including shooting thru neutron stars. If shot at a star, the star would go supernova. Since its gravity waves almost all forms of shielding did no good against it as well. Xeelee ship speed could be as high as 10,000 light years a second. They inhabited ALL the galaxies in the universe, just imagine their production capacity.

[@ssfbob456]

Given Roshi 750 in Dragon Ball is being extremely generous since Raditz was around 1000 and only barely mananged to lose.

[@lemjustlem]

13:00 I disagree specifically on Spider-Man; he is specifically shown to be holding back, at ALL times. When pissed off and with purpose behind him, he's picked up Kingpin by the skin of his chest at 650 lbs and thrown him bodily across a room. He might not do well against the numbers of a Tyranid swarm, but on a one-to-one physical fight, he could at least hold, if only for a bit, against an unnamed Space Marine. As has been said before, by better minds than me, "When the funny man stops laughing, be VERY afraid!"

[@thorshammer7883]

I wonder how the Warhammer 40k galaxy would react and interact with this grimm dark universe. Known as The Three Body Problem. A reality which is a shadowly corpse compared to the 10th Dimensional universe with no time it used to be. There is a lot of dimension made up science with this verse as it's cosmology is a bit more unique compared to other Sci Fi cosmologies.

[@dakotalange2858]

All I want for Christmas is an SANGUINIUS LORE VIDEO!!!

[@TheTrueAdept]

Wait until you hear about one of the few settings that would give WH40k a run for its money: Bolo-verse. To give you how hardcore the setting is, the description of their battlefields is *_quite literally_* 'within a nuclear fireball' ... and no, that's not a hyper lobe; nukes are chucked at each other like party flavors. When _infantry_ require things like kiloton-flinging mortars and _multi-megaton suicide packs_ to dislodge (oh, and this is before all the _fun_ toys that the Final War cooked up)... you're not in for a good time. Humanity in this setting had developed _sentient tanks_ whose sole purpose in life is to defend humanity. They will shout out at the top of their lungs, "FOR THE HONOR OF THE REGIMENT!" while riding out of the nuclear fireball. There has been an instance where the _humans_ betrayed their country, and the tank _kept copying files_ so the weapon designed to kill them could be delayed enough so I could take on three of its manned equivalents (good god, Nike... you're going to Valhalla via the express route...). There have been instances where Bolos were left as _communication satellites_ and a bunch of pirates got a case of SURPRISE HELLBORE to the face. At one point, the Concordiat (the human polity) allowed obsolete bolos to _retire_ with a good portion of their weapons. Why an _agricultural tractor_ would need five nukes and ion-bolt repeaters is beyond me... but it largely worked out for them. The Mk XXXIII Bolo, the last official design from Bolo Prime on Luna, going up against an Imperator Titan is _literally a coinflip_ between them, with the scales slightly in the Bolo's favor.

[@voidtempering8700]

The only issue here is that is on the ground. In space, things heavily favor the Imperium of Man.

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@voidtempering8700 nope, their space combat is still pretty nasty, given they throw missile barrages that make _Manticore from Honorverse_ blush. Remember, a Bolo's Hellbore is literally taken from a battlecruiser or battleship from the Navy.

[@voidtempering8700]

@@TheTrueAdept I know, and it is only 2 megatons a second. Which is very weaker by 40k ship standards, where casual missile attacks output hundreds of gigatons of explosives.

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@voidtempering8700 no. First, the Mk XXXIII (33) has three 5MT/sec guns as its primary armament, and two the main weapon of the Concordiat navy isn't hellbores but _missiles_ and by missiles I mean "make Honorverse go 'damn son' in awe" amount of missiles that can get leakers in the extremely lethal point defense environment that exists in Boloverse (to give you an idea, an older mark in the mid-20s had some 400 hypersonic actively-dodging missiles sent its way, and after the barrage of PD those missiles went through, only some 40 survived at MOST). Oh, and they can send several volleys that way too. It should also be noted that Hellbores send hydrogen at .7c, and lasers are the absolutely *_WORST_* thing to use against anything with a Battlescreen.

[@voidtempering8700]

@@TheTrueAdept Ok, I messed up the yield. But even I'm reading the yield by 10 times that still wouldn't make it competitive for naval combat. Also, lasers don't work on battlescreena because the lasers uses by Blood are to weak. When you start getting into melting continents territory than things start to change. I mean, even the weakest capital-ship can obliterate an Imperatoe Titan.

[@bthsr7113]

Let me tell you of the Chaos Bringer, or rather a couple of his instances within the multiverse He and His echoes haunt. The first I was aware of would be akin to Khorne, but made manifest in the physical plane. Hatred, violence, and war nourish Him. But He doesn't wish to see mere violence reign, He sought to inflict outright annihilation. Especially on His Brother's works. Even as the two sides who had waged civil war for millions for years united, it was not enough. Even with detonations powerful enough to crack continents hollowing out the Chaos Bringer's skull and blasting out into hard vacuum, it was not enough. For in seconds, His head reformed. For Anger, Violence, and Terrible Destruction had been there. Even with His children, forged to escalate The War, Combining to fight their dark Father, it was barely enough to lay Him low. But as the leaders of The War began their final battle, that was enough to make the Chaos Bringer's heat resume beating. He was only forced back into something close to death by the darker of the leaders realizing it must end, and consigning himself to oblivion for peace. The Second I encountered were the hating and scheming remains of the first one's corpse. Playing at revival even as others claimed the remains as strategic terrain drifting through the dark reaches of space. The Third is again the corpse of a Chaos Bringer, who in defeat became a black hole. A black hole that could feel. That could HATE. Bent on destroying the world of those who thwarted Him. And this one was only finally undone by ancient Arks combining into a greater Ark, but one of the Covenant type, personally held and aimed by the Brother of the Chaos Bringer. The final instance I want to note is a lesser being, but still a destroyer of countless worlds and civilizations. Entire planets were consumed by this, a weapon forged for revenge upon the arrogant and conquering disciples of a god. A hating engine of annihilation. And for as powerful as Unicron is, Primus and His Children routinely prevail and endure.

[@Xo-3130]

Actually that black holewas altering the whole Multiverse. It is canon that the universe it was in got merged with another hence the inconsistencies between it and the rest of the trilogy.

[@bthsr7113]

@@Xo-3130 As convoluted a lore retcon to cover for a mistake as DC. I kind of have to respect that.

[@haydennoble9253]

34:22 GW nuked fan animation because they can’t make money from it.

[@spencerc4252]

when kingdom hearts as a setting could probably wipe out 40k, even considering most of the setting would probably be wiped again (though at most thats probably just a set back)

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos corrupted Riku

[@spencerc4252]

@@christiandauz3742 I edit this statement, remembering how manipulative tzeench is, there is a shot. how about ... Chaos god Vanitas?

[@christiandauz3742]

@@spencerc4252 Vanitas would just be another Daemon Prince, Undivided

[@spencerc4252]

​@@christiandauz3742 I can see it, though I think he is closer to a chaos god since unversed are basically just his Daemons and all pain they suffer, he suffers which only makes him and them as a whole grow stronger and as long as he exists the negativity of others can also become said things as well. if anything, the warp itself kinda becomes an interesting thought experiment with this in mind, what unholy unversed would be formed from that endless pit of all things good and ill

[@Fueganthefireyguy]

I never thought I'd hear you asking for more eldar lore 😂

[@NexusGaming857]

Time to introduce this man to Dead Space.

[@christiandauz3742]

Doombreed solos entire planets

[@mickyflint]

I'd like to point out that dead space and Star Wars do have some extra edge against 40k. blasters are similar to lasguns from what I know and hyperdrive can out perform warp drives with no risk of demons. there's also the fact droids are used everywhere so not only would Star Wars have access to warbots but theyd be able to reinforce other industries like medicine and engineering. dead space has shock drives, kinesis, and stasis. fun fact in one of the spin off games its shown that kinesis can be used on living people when it's used to save someone from a fatal flaw and its purely tech based so it could be mass produced. sure, a space marine would brush it off but the average guardsmen is going to be paste on the wall. knowing 40k as soon as the tau or imperium gets their hands on that theyll upscale it to the point titans are throwing each other or space marines juggleing cultists. and stasis would be even more broken as its also purely tech and can be used even on large machines so you could use it to slow tyranids and space marines.

[@hesliterallyme.]

The emperor is NOT beating goatku

[@gampie13]

I would like to add in Xianxia as a genre to the mix. It is probably the most overpowered absurd setting in all of fiction, as the pinnacle of cultivation in the higher power scaling, would probably have the birds at the end of the video, as pets... Also, a note to ppl liking dragonball. Just as a reference, dragonball, is xianxia, but a low power scaling one, a REALY low power scaling in comparisons to the rest of the genre.

[@zeehero7280]

Battlemechs are a pretty good counter to 40k Knights. but overall 40k has more powerful stuff. And yes if Steiner survived long enough they'd start building solar system sized mechs just to spite the Imperium

[@John2r1]

Well maybe or just bigger Titans because hows someone going to have bigger Mech than House Steiner ? That's insulting to House Steiner. Oh and the Halo side also has Mechs . Their largest being HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL Mark II ADS. The Mk II [J] variant is 29.5 feet tall. The Mk II [D] is about the same height but heavier armored and armed with a massive missile launcher and minigun that looks like it shoots 200mm shells probably using Magnetic Acceleration technology aka a Coilgun made into a giant heavy minigun. Imperial Knights are only 29.5 to 39.3 feet tall. So their not really that much taller. Also House Steiners mechs are 39.3 feet tall just so people know. What would piss them off would be the Imperial's actual titans which range from 45ft Warhound titans to 166ft with that freaking church on top of it , Emperor class titans. Which are extremely rare. So they wouldn't need to build a Titan larger than 200 feet tall. But would probably build one 400 feet tall just to make sure.

[@InquisitorXarius]

THEY KNOW NOTHING OF THE GREAT JOURNEY

[@kabob0077]

AND YOU KNOW NOTHING OF CONTAINMENT!

[@austinkersey2445]

I actually believe Star Wars could beat most 40K factions. The Tyranids, Tau, Eldar, Orks, and Drukhari are out of the picture as Star Wars has ways to prevent the Orks and 'nids from replenishing their numbers via similar planetary purging technologies to 40K, as well as the fact that a Sith scientist could probably manufacture a Force-enhanced or magically enhanced virus that would cause the cells of either organism to die off and/or wither on the vine. The Tau, Eldar, and Drukhari are simply not possessed of enough technological, numerical, or tactical supremacy to take Star Wars as a setting. Let me remind everyone that Star Wars FTL is about as fast as it gets without being literal teleportation with ships fast enough to go from one end of a galaxy to another in days at the slowest and hours at the fastest. Nothing in 40K travels that fast. No ship, vessel, or being moves at that speed. Plus, the Imperial Navy of the Galactic Empire is listed as having roughly ten-thousand ships in total and had control of most of the galaxy. Jedi and Sith on average are not on the level of most Psykers, but beings like Luke Skywalker, Darth Sidious, Vader, Yoda, etc. would beat the brakes off of almost anything in the setting. Hell, I'm confident Luke could probably fuck with the Chaos Gods if he wanted to. Point is, Star Wars has multiple ways to take care of 40K. The problem for 40K is that they are constantly regressing and losing knowledge. Star Wars gets better and better as time goes on in all categories. To those who simp for Ancient or Old Republic Sith and think the orders got weaker over the millennia . . . you are wrong. Star Wars is aggressively advancing in all ways that matter. 40K is at best stagnated and at worst deteriorating. That's the difference. For anyone who thinks the upper tiers of Jedi and Sith are not ripping Primarchs or Big E's assholes, there is a passage in "the Revenge of the Sith" novelization by Matthew Stover where Sidious and Mace Windu move so fast that Anakin can't see either of them move. He only catches the occasional glint of their sabers. This is, mind you, a version of Sidious that is weaker than his "Return of the Jedi" or "Dark Empire" self. If the latter fought any of the Primarchs or the Emperor, they would be cut down in a picosecond.

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

Where did you get that navy listing? The Empire has a hell of a lot more ships than that. The Empire has 12,910 sectors with 24 imperial class star destroyers and 1,574 other warships. This puts the imperial navy at having 20,320,340 warships, this doesn’t include logistics ships, this is purely warships.

[@austinkersey2445]

@@Azorees-oj5zr True, the number came from a codex a long time ago. You're probably closer to the truth, but this is likely outdated. That said, my knowledge of Star Wars comes almost purely from Legends, as I vehemently despise the new canon propped up by Disney and modern LucasArts.

[@janehrahan5116]

@@austinkersey2445 The issue is the star wars numbers are so inconsistent they make the 40k numbers look ironclad. There are sources that say that the 30 ish ships guarding the death star 2 was half the imperial fleet for instance. The reality is that there is no lore bible for wars, unlike trek/40k, so numbers change wildly from writer to writer.

[@bthsr7113]

Um, while I do hold Star Wars FTL as a powerful and reliable iteration when comparing franchises, even the Falcon is usually supposed to take longer than just a couple days to cross the Galaxy. Mind you it's also inconsistent, with the sequel trilogy really abusing the Hyperdrive and Solo taking steps towards Dune lore by ironically removing the Spice smuggling to imply that Hyperdrives need their own fuel, which you can't find outside of this one planet. Which is just not how any of that has ever worked!

[@austinkersey2445]

@@bthsr7113 It usually is supposed to take longer and I was using Legends canon. It doesn't take mere days to travel far, but it definitely takes way less time than most other science-fiction or space fantasy franchises. I was being perhaps a bit hyperbolic, but I was bringing up a factor that not everyone takes into account when discussing Star Wars vs WH40K. Star Wars can resupply and reinforce their troops and fronts way faster than pretty much any faction in 40K, and there is the fact that they tend to have more ships in the average fleet.

[@michaelschemrich4833]

Arguable if Emporer can even delete Goku since he's resisted existence erasure.

[@myria2834]

40k vs Stargate: The Ancients foresaw this and already invented the perfect countermeasure, but never deployed it for "reasons." However, as the Chaos gods are effectively ascended beings, the Ancients will send a strongly worded memo to stay out of mortal affairs.

[@assadsvengeance9952]

Doesn't the galactic republic and subsequently the galactic empire control something like 4 million planets? that's 4 times the estimated size of the imperium of man

[@Azorees-oj5zr]

70 million with populations large enough for representation in the senate with a few million more less populated worlds. There is 1 billion inhabited worlds in the Star Wars galaxy.

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos corrupts them, Halo, Battletech and Supreme Commander at once! Doombreed used to be human

[@assadsvengeance9952]

@@christiandauz3742 Chaos hasn't corrupted everyone in 40k so I doubt they'd corrupt everyone in all these other franchises

[@kabob0077]

@@assadsvengeance9952 Don't bother him, he thinks _Daemon Primarch Angron_ is the average for Chaos and the level Chaos boosts people to.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@assadsvengeance9952 They literally get Trillions of followers everyday. They just keep killing each other and the enemies of Chaos which ensures only the strongest survive and earn powerful Chaos buffs Imagine if half of the Rakata Infinite Empire fell to Chaos. Star Wars would be another part of the Warp in just years Khorne turned Doombreed from normal man to planet slaughtering one-daemon army The more destruction, disturbing thoughts and Chaos worship happening in Star Wars the more Chaos grows A normal Possessed Human can outrun and are stringer than a Jedi. Some of them have teleportation and can shoot lightning from their hands The HoloNet is infected and becomes Daemon Tech The Imperium kills Trillions of its own citizens regularly to slow down Chaos corruption

[@Azel0015]

14:08 is the only thing I've seen wrong in this video, Superman is far faaaaaaaar more powerful than any Viltrumite that has ever lived.

[@renatolopes985]

At stellaris lore tier 3 tech would be overkill for 40k (in lore they would have infinite recourses one shot planets and other ridiculous things

[@VooshSpokesman]

Love from a NightShadeQueenAsmr and Vaush fan!

[@memosanchez8916]

Tbh I love 40k but it’s a mid tier sci fi setting anything below it gets stomped ( Star Wars,dead space, gears of war, mass effect, current halo, and battle tech ) but anything above it stomps it ( xelee sequence , scp foundation , prehistoric halo with ancient humans and forunners and universe at war)

[@mikaelantonkurki]

When it comes to SCP, 40k would handle it quite well, things would only go to shit for them once the Scarlet King comes to the picture.

[@joshuarichard1892]

I agree ancient humans and forerunners would steam roll modern 40K but using prehistoric Halo on it is kinda cheating when 40K has OP ancient lore too called *"The War In Heaven"*

[@christiandauz3742]

HAHAHAHA!!! Doombreed solos entire planets Chaos corruption

[@syrienangel4137]

I mean, we already have an actual SCP for 40k and the foundations containment for it was NOT attracting the universes attention...

[@matthewblackwood9653]

@@syrienangel4137 Well yeah, because they would end everything. 40k would destroy SCP humanity pretty trivially, then fail containment because they have no idea how to handle it, and then something equivalent to the Scarlet King will get out and not even a living Emperor would be able to stop it from erasing reality.

[@Pardan]

The thing is, the Doom Slayer wouldn't harm an innocent. Ultimately, he is benevolent, if gruff beyond all measure. There's a reason people started to worship HIM in Doom Eternal.

[@thadmeboy1129]

Still waiting for the seraphon reaction

[@wretched17]

Lol love that you're wearing a fat electrician merch shirt xD

[@gundam2jimmy]

The main reason it is powerful is the sheer numbers.

[@floridamanstudios9667]

There are some universes where warships are powered by dyson spheres, warhammer would be shattered by those universes.

[@John2r1]

Halo Forerunner ships powered by alternate Universes. Halo Ancient Human ships powered by literal artificial Stars . Halo Precursor ships built out of nearly indestructible material created out of the fabric of the universe and powered by knowledge engines. FTL for them means going through alternate universes/ realities they created when they started their engines. Yeah and people still bash on Halo because on the surface it's not as grim dark as 40k which to be honest in modern day grim dark seems to just be an excuse for shitty story telling skills.

[@edm3917]

Bulma from Dragonball can fix the chair of the ruler of men kind 40k. Or use the Dragonballs 😂

[@dragonseatcheese8727]

I actually loved Pancreas' original video. Not just because it's a pretty good rundown that shows that overall, 40k is a sort of mid power level with enormous scale. But also because it made me think about scale relative to power level. Specifically in the context of another Pancreas video from his "Halohammer" series about the UNSC's odds of surviving the 40k galaxy. Sure the Imperium beats out the UNSC (post-heresy Imperium is just a bit above the UNSC in terms of general tech they can actually make, though it varies widely depending on category) but does that matter? At least on the ground, outnumbering your opponent 500,000 to one is irrelevant if they just immediately detonate a bunch of tactical nukes (in this context, that's a handheld 30 megaton nuke, but IRL tactical nukes would get the job done fairly well too at potentially 50-ish kilotons) and kills tens to hundreds of millions without losing anyone because they're not exactly well fortified if they're on the offensive. From one nuke. The reason modern nukes are usually only a megaton, sometimes up to 3 at most, is because they're being detonated in cities, which have many millions of tons of concrete, steel beams, and generally highly impact resistant surfaces. So having more is better than one ridiculously potent nuke. That won't be the case in most places if nukes are being used as juiced artillery, so casualties would be MUCH higher. Then count the fact that factions like the UNSC have nukes just everywhere (the shortages you might be thinking of is relative to them being outnumbered ten to one, they still had at least one on frigate, cruiser, destroyer, carrier, and even some ground assets) and detonating six nukes to wipe out a guard regiment is a drop in the bucket of their total output, and you have a pretty solid case for that 500,000-1 ratio kind of being irrelevant. Naval combat is a bit different since the UNSC is actually fairly powerful in that regard and still gets its ass kicked. But that's mostly because of scale. People like to point out that Infinity is nothing and how weak it is compared to Imperium ships, but fail to note Infinity having 4 big guns instead of one (two in primary battery, two in secondary), and still being much much smaller than the largest ships the Imperium has. No shit its guns are going to be weaker than a 14 kilometer long ship's one hail-Mary main gun when it's 5.6 kilometers long, has 4 smaller main guns, and isn't designed to... I dunno actually. Was the nova cannon designed for exterminatus? Because it's SO much stronger than any other individual ship-to-ship weapon in the fleet. They're more like cyclonic torpedoes than anything else. Regardless, the weapons the UNSC is using are enough. If regular cannons can whittle down void shields (even if you need a few hundred) than the UNSC's burst fire MAC guns (gigaton range even for the smallest MAC gun in the UNSC fleet at the moment) and carrier killers are doing the same. Except faster and while being further away. Because what MAC guns lack in the glamorous "Warhammer" type feeling of being the biggest and the best individual thing, they make up for with the concept of being the 2nd place that is more flexible and still better than most things (say anything about lasers and I'll remind you that the UNSC has those too, and they're just as if not even more powerful given the size difference between the UNSC's and Imperium's). The big problem is that it's .3 to 5.6 kilometer long ships engaging mostly 5 to 14 kilometer long ships that outnumber them roughly 350 to one, not that the individual ships are awful on either side. And there's no real way to get around that problem. Every ship could be better than Infinity with super ships that make it look like a cruiser (and at some point, sure. But I'm not talking about the UNSC 30 years from now) and they wouldn't be winning simply because there's too many ships to kill. So in general, I feel like putting 40k's sort of "main species" (don't argue, like nobody gets shit except for humanity) against another "weaker" faction comes much more down to playing to strengths than to getting in a slugging match. It just happens that when numbers and scale are the best way to get something done (ie naval fights), the Imperium crushes it. When it's inefficient and they're up against things that don't care how many things are in front of them? Not so much. Of course, then there are species like the Xeelee, Forerunners, Precursors, Qax, late stage flood, etc. that just kill everything in 40k with no difficulty because "numbers" work even less well when you're fighting guys that you literally can't kill and that have ships that blow up stars and throw black holes. So there is that approach.

[@haveltherock6647]

Battletech has far more advanced weapons and armor vompared to the imperium of man. Hell they even have bettwr lasguns. That actually do something to armored targets. They dont have the numbers. But they have the quality. In comparison. Plasma weapons in battletech are nuts. And they have armor that stops said plasma. Or the partical projector cannon. A weaponized partical accelerator.

[@Soulwithtime]

Does anybody know the name of the outro song? Found it.

[@moiramain2k]

Sailor Moon solos Warhammer 40k which I find frankly beautiful.

[@ethancastillo9221]

In my opinion the power of 40k is t necessarily over powered because of the wepons or armor but the sheer size of the army’s the orkz would probably cause more problems in other universe because of there reputation and belief thing similar to tyranids