OM SYSTEM OM-5 and E-M5 Mark III - 5 most EXCITING differences.

[@georgelewinnek5184]

I have an em5 mark iii and my son has an OM 5. Since I have developed a tremor, the big difference for me is 2 stops better in-body image stabilization with his camera. If I can shoot with ISO of 500 or less I get very nice images without noise with my em 5 mark iii, while my son's OM-5 gets sharp and noise-free images with ISO of at least 3200. I suspect that the sensor in his camera is a little better, but it may be as you suggest, that he has a better processor with the TruPix IX. These are differences that I notice in the way that I use the camera, which is mainly for still shots without getting into special features like starry nights. My camera is still great, but it is more limited, so that if I were buying new, I would pay the extra for the OM-5. OM Systems did make significant improvements.

[@gerhardsteinhofer]

Two things in the OM-5 are missing and have to be changed in the next generation: 1.) USB-C Port 2.) Possibility to use the camera while charging (important for long videos). I hope they will complement this things in the next generation. Then I would upgrade from my E-M10ii and buy it.

[@ForsgardPeter]

I agree that it would improve the camera.

[@gerhardsteinhofer]

@@ForsgardPeter I have a lot of digital cameras for still photos (MFT, APS-C and FF) and therefore not really a need for a new camera but all off them have the 30 min. video limit. That would be the only reason for me to to upgrade at the moment. The OM-5 luckily don't has this restriction but it's useless. The battery is small and has only a life of 60 to 110 minutes. This camera can only charge the battery, when it's off. That sucks! A waited so long for this new camera model, but this key feature is missing and for me the dealbreaker.

[@alan.macrae]

Thanks for this video, Peter! As always, great information. No need to be sorry about English pronunciations, how many of your viewers can speak Finnish? 😉 I wonder how many viewers noticed you switched umbrellas at 1:37? Cheers

[@jamesbowmanphotography]

Just wanted to stater that whilst I was quite scathing about the OM-5 when it launched, I do love my EM5 Mk3 and no doubt the OM-5 is a similarly great little camera. Just wished it was a little closer to the amazing OM-1.

[@jpsteiner2]

I debated for a long while which to purchase, since my only other Olympus / OM Systems camera was a PEN E-PL series camera. I chose the OM-5. It's great. Enjoy using it every day.

[@shiouming]

Regarding the comparison photos at 5:35, were they taken with different unit of lens? Somehow the OM-5 photo appears softer to my eyes. Personally I find feature #1, 2, 3, 5 useful for my needs

[@sidneymoon8586]

Thanks for this comparison. I am upgrading to the OM-5 from the E-M5 Mark III for landscape photography on long day hikes and backpacking trips where weight is critical. For me, the most exciting and useful features are live ND, handheld high res, and starry sky AF. As you mentioned, I also really appreciate the addition of my menu.

[@jamesbowmanphotography]

I’d be interested to know what lens you would recommend for landscape photography? I’ve just obtained the 7-14mm f2.8 but finding I’m struggling with composition - my own fault though. Heading into the hills next week which should hopefully help.

[@sidneymoon8586]

@@jamesbowmanphotography The 7-14 f2.8 is an excellent landscape lens, especially for grand landscapes with interesting foregrounds, but it does take time to master composition with a wide angle lens. Personally, I use the Olympus f4 Trinity of lenses (8-25, 12-45, and 40-150) because they are light and compact. My go to for 80% of my photos is the f4 12-45, which is also the lens I keep on my camera most of the time.

[@TienTran-bi1jv]

​@@sidneymoon8586have you use handheld res and live ND together. Does those 2 both work at the same time?

[@mrdiger170871]

as a em5mk3 user the om-5 is not an real upgrade - it‘s old vine in new bottles.

[@ForsgardPeter]

It depends on if you want/need the features. There are 20 new things in OM-5 that E-M5 Mark III does not have. How is that not a different camera?

[@jaspervd1]

I assume for a upgrade its not a 'upgrade' worth pricewise. Or with a good trade deal maybe. For those not having the mark 3. Sure its the way to go with om5

[@Lucianohlegomocs]

I think its a e-m5 iii n

[@angeldulevski3358]

Hello Peter, I just bought the old model for a reasonable price and couldn't be happier about it, I only hope that the tripod mount won't fail on me, as I only use it to mount a case on my camera. I find the features of the OM 5 not to be worth one third of the price more than the old model. I would definitely use many of the new features, but at the end of the day, one doesnt loose much with the older model. The internal Hardware of the camera seems to be (almost) the same and it has many more software enabled features. I waited for this camera for so long, and wasn't dissapointed, but also not amazed by it, so got the M5 Mk. III instead. If it had a New BSI sensor it would be a different story, even at that price difference. I wish you a nice Holiday Time and take care! 😃

[@patrickhopkinson1851]

Handheld hi-res, ND filters, starry sky, slightly better IBIS make it a brilliant lightweight and small sized camera. Ideal for travel. The improved weather sealing and video features are useful too. My only problem is that I have a 1 Mk3 (and a OM1) but I am considering part exchanging my 5 mk3 for the OM5 since the change are just enough to justify it. The OM5 might also get more support in the future than the the 5 Mk3 will.

[@gordon3988]

Thanks Peter, enjoyed the comparison along with the revolving umbrellas and the speaking glitches! I think either camera is great and really intended for a certain niche; the new OM5 has started to grow on me. I don’t know if the difference is enough to warrant an upgrade for those that own the 3, but the new version has some nice improvements; even if only a minor evolution. I particularly like the ND addition (too bad it doesn’t also work for video)removing the 30 minute video limit (albeit this has never been an issue for me) and no longer using smaller video files. I think the 3 now on sale is also appealing!

[@lout1587]

Nice umbrellas.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Thanks.

[@FelipANadal]

Isn't the AF any better? I would expect a better face/eye detection AF than my E-M5 Mark III since it has the same processor that E-M1 Mark III.

[@ForsgardPeter]

E-M5 Mark III had a very good AF and OM-5 is about the same. Slightly better.

[@TITAOSTEIN]

Umbrellas: we never know where they came from or where they ended up…

[@peternumber19]

thanks for highlighting the differences. I welcome OMS putting their stamp on the cameras and doing incremental upgrades. I notice they've brought out some OMS pinch lens caps which is also welcome. I bought a couple of third party pinch caps which have very poor finger grip when you pinch, hopefully OMS have done a better job.

[@fongtan]

there are some cameras like the PEN-F, GM1 and GM5 which were bashed by photographers and youtubers. some ended up as hidden gems. I personally thinks that OM5 could be one.

[@alaskalonghunters2990]

Thanks Peter, appreciate this feature overview. Fact is, I have so much more to learn about my current m5mklll, having those extra feature options would likely slow me down at this point. Maybe for next time, all the Best, Mark

[@RobShootPhotos]

Wait, how many umbrellas did you have? 😁

[@wayne61650]

I know this is petty but I much more prefer a tilt screen like my old OMD-em5 than the flip out screen. That’s a deal breaker for me.

[@joseguillermoh.2757]

Excellent video! I have both models and I agree that the image is slightly warmer but I have also noticed that the OM5 has a slight green tone using the natural profile. Has anyone else noticed this?

[@SAMLAOSHI]

Is autofocus for face detection improved for video from em 5m3? Is stabilisation noticeable better than em5 m3? (For video shooting) 😅

[@theoderzweite8272]

I can't decide, which umbrella I would mostly like....

[@marcinpawlik2324]

when you prefer snow to rain... autumn. english rain. testing umbrellas. 😂😂😂

[@matthiasbruns8570]

Hence you did not mention the AF Performance, I assume that it did not improve on the new camera? And it isn‘t a differentiating feature between the two? That would be a big downside.

[@ForsgardPeter]

I did not mention that. It is slightly better, but not much.

[@AustroCanuck_]

I know it is weird, but I really don't like the design of having OM Systems written in the middle of the camera. I hope they go back to Olympus or just OMS. Weird desgin. Otherwise I still like their cameras.

[@glennsak]

100 percent agree. Aesthetics are important, especially for Olympus fans. The typography of the logo is just plain bad. Sadly I don’t think they are going back…

[@Koji-888]

Gaffers tape. If your body is black. Actually there’s silver also. Non messy

[@25palex]

as you said, almost the same camera you forgot to say that they also changed the logo on it. did you saw d-preview review on it?

[@ForsgardPeter]

I did see the DPReview TV video about it. I have also read their a blog post about it. It is quite similar, but it has a some good new features that E-M5 mark III does not have.

[@storeman165]

Having own OM-1 with these features, would you recommend E-M5 III or OM-5 as second lightweight body?

[@ForsgardPeter]

That is a tough call. If you already have the features and not need them in your second body then E-M5 Mark III is a good choice. I personally would pick OM-5 because of the features. Also the price might something to think about.

[@marknathan7744]

great little camera on my shortlist to use alonside my sonys.

[@Garrus4Spectre]

Is it correct to say that the OM5 inherits the face recognition and tracking from the m1 iii while the M5 iii is on par with the m1 ii? (That would actually be interesting to me).

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes, that is correct.

[@Garrus4Spectre]

@@ForsgardPeter Thank you!

[@oneeyedphotographer]

I have a lightly used OM-D EM1x to unbox.

[@richardpriestley477]

Peter - I was waiting for such a comparative analysis , so thank you . However one obvious factor is whether you feel that the price differential is such that it is worth thinking seriously about the OM5.Some of the factors that you mention are very attractive e.g the live ND feature , hand held high res shots, but I'm less sure of the other factors particularly when you indicate there is little difference in image quality . So I would be interested in your views on this issue.

[@Bakin]

Thanks Peter; one feature that the OM-5 has that the EM-5 Mark III doesn't is the ability to save camera settings in OM Workspace. For reasons known only to Olympus, this feature was deleted for the EM-5 Mark III but at least OMD added back in for the OM5.

[@ForsgardPeter]

That is also true.

[@RAH1861]

I like the HHHR and the MyMenu features the most. With the HHHR added, I now consider this just about a perfect travel camera. I have an E-M1.3, which already has HHHR, but I seldom used the HHHR on it because I don't use the camera for places where it would be useful. So I always wished the E-M5.3 had it. Now I have it on the OM-5 and am very pleased with it.

[@KW_photography01]

Hello Peter, I am concerned about the skin tone of portrait, does OM5 have any progress in this area? And I am worried about em5iii when a tripod is needed. Thanks!

[@ForsgardPeter]

What kind of problem you have had with the skin tones?

[@KW_photography01]

@@ForsgardPeter Thanks for your reply, I'm using em10ii now, not em5iii, I just notice many sharing on fb or forum have the same problem with me(maybe it is the problem of myself). The main problem is that in those portrait photos, especially when half of the face is illuminated by sunlight and the other half is in shadow, the skin tone of the illuminated part will be looked like a wax figure instead of real man. I plan to urgrade my em10ii to em5iii or other model, so I concern about it.

[@ForsgardPeter]

It sounds like the bright part is over exposed. Have you tried to lower the exposure?

[@KW_photography01]

@@ForsgardPeter Yes, I did, but the picture would be very dark. I am not good at light room.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Then the contrast is too much. You need to add some light.

[@ju2705s]

No record limit is funny because you can't load the battery if the camera is in use. So 1 battery limit. 😊

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes there is always a limit.

[@fongtan]

hi peter, i have not gotten a chance to test the om5. would like to know if it's body being made of magnesium or plastic. it would be helpful for users to know which part needed more protection.

[@ForsgardPeter]

It is the same material as E-M5 Mark III. I have not had any issues with E-M5 Mark III.

[@HenryFalkner]

Still no release date on DPReview, and no listing on Photo Warehouse, Auckland, New Zealand. Is yours an advance prototype only?

[@ForsgardPeter]

What do you mean no release date? It started shipping in 17th of November 2022. Photo Warehouse has it in stock: www.photowarehouse.co.nz/shop/shop-by-product/digital-cameras/mirrorless-system-cameras-2/om-system-om-5-body-only-black/

[@jaspervd1]

Great videos. I follow you. I've got the em5 mark 3 and it's great. I do have 2 questions I can't figure out. 1. Stabilisation. The IS auto vs the IS 1 which one do you use and why would you switch between both? I've realised it was on auto all the time. Changed to IS-1. 2. When on C-AF-MF I struggle when I want to make the photo with MF. Each time when I pressed it; auto focus with C-AF kicks in before I press further. To make the MF photo I really have to press without any delay. Its hard. Is there an option to make this better? Delaying the time between half press and full is not really an option because I like the speed in all other settings with AF. Curious about maybe another way. Thanks!!

[@ForsgardPeter]

Auto IS is fine. You can use it all the time. It will recognize the movement of the camera. The C-AF should be okay if the shutter button is pressed halfway when using the MF. If you lift your finger from the shutter button, it will use the C-AF and not MF. Hope this helps.

[@jaspervd1]

@@ForsgardPeter ah wait I think I get it with the S-AF-MF I always pressed full down when setting my MF to good focus..hoping MF will take first to hit. But the solution is.. first half press...yes it goes to S-AF...BUT after that tuning MF and press further thanks!

[@jaspervd1]

Edit: I first speak about C-AF-MF(which does not excist on this camera) but this option should be S-AF-MF...the idea is the same of course

[@AlgPortfolio]

Can you do similar comparing em5 mark III VS om-1? Looking into upgrading from em10 mark III. Before was looking at gh6 Vs om-1, but also interested in comparing photo/video quality between those ones.

[@ForsgardPeter]

I could do that. Let's see what I can do about that.

[@yftan2873]

I was about to buy the em1.2 on discount but the camera shop suggest I take the om5. Pen-F is my newest camera in my collection.

[@jamesseda8353]

hi ....what would be the next upgrade/second body from the em5ii and why

[@ForsgardPeter]

I would look for E-M1 mark III or OM-5 depending on your needs.

[@jamesseda8353]

@@ForsgardPeter i watched your videos on it and i'll probably go with the E-m1 mark iii.... Thank you for your responce

[@amybella]

Peter I bought a new EM1 Mark III everything was brand new in the box is it normal that the camera has about 200+ shutter count. Found it weird because my Sony had 0.

[@ForsgardPeter]

It is normal. These are the test that OMDS has done.

[@amybella]

@@ForsgardPeter Thank you very much was getting worried. Thought I was the only one. I upgraded from E10 Mark IIIs. So looking forward to using this camera. Also looking forward to your future videos.

[@jonsnih492]

Peter, does that mean that also the E-M1 mark iii doesnt split video file as the OM-5?

[@ForsgardPeter]

Unfortunately, E-M1 Mark III splits the files.

[@amanandapan9635]

Can I use raw file format for live nd and live composite? Thank.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Yes you can!

[@gianluca.2910]

Hallo Peter, I have been following you for a few weeks, your videos are very interesting. I would like your opinion, I have a m5 Mark ii and I am thinking of replacing it with a Mark iii, in your opinion is it worth it or would the new m5 be better? Thank you and many regards, Gianluca.

[@ForsgardPeter]

It depends on two things. Your budget and if you need the new features that OM-5 offers. Both cameras are good choices.

[@gianluca.2910]

Hello Peter, thank you for your reply. You are right, do I really need the new features? I will continue to shoot with the M5 Mark ii and invest the money in new lenses and maybe a second Mark ii.

[@ForsgardPeter]

Investing in lenses is always a wise thing to do. Usually it gives your more opportunities than a new camera. It of course depends what lenses you already have.

[@gianluca.2910]

@@ForsgardPeter So far I own the 17/ 1.8 the 45/ 1.8 and the 60 mm macro. I also had something similar with the Olympus 4Ti at the time. Now I want more wide angle and I can not decide between OM 9-18 f4-5.6 or 8-25 f4. I watched your videos and that doesn't make things easier, both have their pros and cons. Unfortunately I have no way to loan me the lenses.

[@JensMHA]

@@gianluca.2910 With your current lens line-up, I would also look at the Panasonic Leica 9 mm. It is as the rest of your lenses, a small prime and it is a very nice lens as well.

[@RestorationAustralia]

Cool improvements.😊

[@WhoIsSerafin]

I sure wish you could use flash with with the live nd like on the x100v

[@ForsgardPeter]

Isn't it a different technology in X100V? It is a built-in ND with only one setting 4EV. It has its advantages, but also disadvantages.

[@WhoIsSerafin]

@@ForsgardPeter probably because of the leaf shutter.

[@drooner]

So many of those changes could have been a software update, like my menu, red frame, custom modes to button...

[@ForsgardPeter]

Some yes, but many of the updates needed a more powerful processor.

[@TITAOSTEIN]

Over time I start to find the OM-5 attractive. Yes, it is less than I expected due to the old EVF, old sensor, menu and micro-USB, but it still offers a lot of interesting things for such a compact camera. A travel and adventure companion when photography is not your first concern. At the same time, here in Germany, OM is selling em1iii and em1x for the same price!!! €1299! Sounds like a questionable strategy to me!

[@ForsgardPeter]

The price of E-M1X has come down. It all depends on what you need the camera for. Bird photography > E-M1X, but travel, leisure and street > OM-5.

[@TienTran-bi1jv]

​@@ForsgardPeterI the om5 also have pro capture mode. It make good cam for bird photography too right

[@TienTran-bi1jv]

I have lumix g95 now and I want to switch to olympus system. Which one should I get, the om5 or em5 mark iii or em1 mark ii.?

[@Jimmyageek]

Get om 5

[@Koji-888]

Get the E-M5 iii > You don’t need all those extra settings. Your head will spin. 💁🏻‍♀️

[@pjay3028]

I agree with you, spitting flies is extremely annoying.... 😂Keep the great videos coming.

[@TomTom-ve9hv]

My Menu and Custom adjustment application to dedicated buttons are simple software matters, nothing else. It should not be a difference!!! Pitiable. EM 5 mk3 owners should get thes functions in sw update!! It is Olympus mistake. Unfortunatly OM System will not solve this issue, do not want to reduce the thin differences between EM5 vs OM5 :(

[@ForsgardPeter]

Many differences in cameras, no matter the brand, comes form software. It is a industry standard thing. Is it good or not that is a question.

[@Centauri27]

Yeah, I haven't seen any firmware updates that gives any actual new features on my E-M5 Mk III. 😐

[@ytr8989]

There’s the extra stop in image stabilization and 120 fps high speed video. And I thought it has a new image processor.

[@chcomes]

the om5.3 has 120p already...

[@oneeyedphotographer]

Spitting flies is an Australian occupation.

[@alfredo6083]

Thanks for your video Peter. So... Does the camera need a more powerful processor to handle menus? Really? We always hear the same excuses. I have compact cameras with more than 10 years that handle menus and customizations fluidly. What are the problems with the TruePic VIII processor? Not powerful enough? Honestly Peter, E-M5 Mark III users expected some firmware updates in all these years. You can not leave stranded customers who have spent more than € 1,500 on the camera and not receive interesting firmware updates like my menu, red frame, custom modes to button... I'm sure the TruePic VIII processor gives for that and much more.

[@ForsgardPeter]

I have heard that it could be the processor. I know it sounds odd. That has happened before with other camera brands as well. I remember there was one A6XXX Sony that was released with older menus and then I heard the same thing about the processor. As I said it sounds odd, but there might actually be some truth behind this. I do not think that it is the power, it could more about the architecture? LiveND with real time preview needs a lot power. Olympus used to make some nice firmware updates to older cameras in the past. I agree that it would be great to have an upgrade to E-M5 Mark III. The updates thy did before were not so processor intensive. Today the new features are mostly AI or other computational imaging that require more powerful processors. That might be the reason that there has not been so many new features in firmware updates.

[@alizoneyad7508]

Battery life for videography?

[@ForsgardPeter]

About the same. Have not used E-M5 Mark III for video that much.

[@LC-wv4xi]

​@ForsgardPeter how long could you record straight in 1080? I know the om5 has no recording limit but how long would the battery last?

[@ricebug0]

Finland looks like much more warmer than South Korea. Why?? Seoul is -10 degree now lol

[@ForsgardPeter]

That video was filmed a couple of weeks ago. Now we have a lot of snow and -7.

[@Jcastleinfo]

Handheld Hi-Res, ND, Starry Night. A little better water resistance.I do 90% of photography outside while hiking/traveling and get caught out in the rain from time to time. My OM5 arrives Friday :)

[@ForsgardPeter]

Have fun!

[@Koji-888]

Looking forward to the Starry Night > AF ツ

[@marioplus321]

Custom buttons👑

[@thegroove2000]

None of them will make you a better photographer. Its the mind of the user ultimately.

[@thegroove2000]

Nit-picking with iso etc does not mean that the photos will be better, engaging to the viewer. I see this all the time but ulitimately its the mind,experience of the user that counts overall.

[@ForsgardPeter]

That is true. It gives more opportunities to be creative, but as you saids it does automatically make you a better photographer.

[@johndyson4225]

Maybe improved waterproofing. You are under an umbrella in the rain!

[@ForsgardPeter]

Camera has improved weather sealing, but I don’t!

[@Adry007]

Aaa...yes a "true successor". 3 weeks of coding a new firmware with all done features on others cameras, stampibg a new logo and lets call it a new model. I loved olympus cameras...now om is just not as it used to be

[@ForsgardPeter]

Maybe they did a bit more than that....

[@MrAntisound]

@@ForsgardPeter Ofcourse they did, i own both and the OM5 is superior in speed.

[@tomd4260]

I'm sorry Peter but this new company is made up of a bunch of wingnuts