Watch Wrong? #2 - Vintage Omega watch issues, Can you spot them!?

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[@BillyJBailey]

This video just shows me how uneducated I am on vintage watches. Your knowledge is impressive.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thanks for watching!

[@junkfoodjimmy]

As I‘m looking for my first vintage Omega, your videos are a big help. Thank you and have a great year 2019! Simon

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

You're welcome. Best of luck! And Happy New Year!

[@insysful]

This is an amazing series! 🕰👏

[@CleverSmart123]

Great to watch and learn! Thank you!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

You're more than welcome!

[@robertkubis2799]

Great content and helpful as I' torn between the vintage Rolex Datejust and Omega Speadmaster.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Can't go wrong with any of the two. :-)

[@auburnsenn2040]

Thank you for PART 2, simply great...

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

There is a part three as well and many daily ones. Just go to channel playlists to watch them all at your convenience

[@alextownend7316]

Great video, some comparisons with a genuine watch along side to show would help us new to the vintage market

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thank you! Yes, I have started to do that for later episodes. :-)

[@davidroland6431]

Hi. Thank you so much for this review. I found some thing in the last deville you showed. The V in that one must be a bit backward and the I must hide in the cross. I don't know if i was right or not. Realy nice & use full. Good luck!!!

[@mruffinit]

I am very happy to see your videos. I am an vintage Omega lover but not that well versed in them. Maybe you should write a book on them and the way they should be. I collect nothing but vintage Omega because I am disabled and they are affordable compared to the newer ones. Thank you.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thank you so much! I do wish that I have the time to write a book. But there will be a lot of haters who will probably be very upset with me. And because I do run a very busy online watch business selling authentic Omega watches. I really do not have much time to work on a second project.

[@bonhzeppelin9882]

On the last black dial constellation the applied star logo, under the painted Constellation logo, is askew or upside down! LOL!

[@bart7695]

16:38 Also the star under constellation is upside down. This suits the develishly handsome black dial tho ;)

[@artblend4278]

Fantastic knowledge....and your site also is great! a shame I am in Europe....(VAT extra cost!!) All the best !!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thank you! VAT is not too bad actually. Can message me on the site to discuss about it some more.

[@carloaramburu5302]

You are great !!! Please review a Vintage omega 120m ( vintage ) Thank you 🙏

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

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[@james12361224]

Great video, thanks!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

you're welcome

[@gearheadwes]

That last watch that wasn't done correctly, also didn't set the star to be split in the center by the grid line. I saw that when you showed the original condition one.

[@josephmcginley2427]

Please do video on vintage Omega c shaped constellations, to include movements study. Thank you very much enjoyed your vids

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

I recently wanted to make one on the C model, but the watch got sold before I can get a chance to. But I am sure I will eventually get the opportunity to make one.

[@davidsmajda6021]

Beautiful!

[@johnpinner1]

good info. thank you

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

You're very welcome!

[@phildowling9723]

Great Video's very informative, my first vintage purchase is a Omega De Ville with Seamaster on the rear us that correct ?

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Can you see a Model number on the case back? It is small watch correct? Around 32-33mm across excluding the crown?

[@TheDpo1]

Great video! You said when you have luminous hands, the dial should have luminous paint, but I don't know if that is a must... I have a 1960 Seamaster, completely original, with a 14743 case (the same as the one on the photo of the Omega archives for that case), the have have luminous paint, but the hour markers do not! Best regards

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thank you! CK 14743 is a Pre-Seamaster Deville or Seamaster Deville depending on the year it was made. 1960 version would just say Seamaster while the 1962 version will say Seamaster Deville. It is common that the hour luminous have been removed in the past. Sometime by request from the owner or mistakenly removed by the watch maker. It could also be a very good redial. Many dealers who sell vintage Omega may not be able to tell a redial apart. So do be aware of that as well. Last but not least, I have seen factory original dial replacement from service or previous owner decided to swap dial because of damage or just want something different. But the fact is, luminous hands = luminous hour indexes.

[@TheDpo1]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel Thank you for the answer! But, as you can see in the link I am sending you, which is exactly the same as mine, it does not seem to have lume on the markers. www.omegawatches.com/pt/watch-omega-seamaster-de-ville-omega-ot-14743 Best regards!

[@vintagebikes4215]

You have a mismatched watch

[@robynsjp]

Interesting, thanks !

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

My pleasure!

[@dontejones3528]

Great Video

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thank you!

[@maximemarches6066]

at 17:19 The star below "Constellation" is also upside down

[@Biblicalgiants]

Do you know where to find any vintage Omega buckles in 16 or 17mm? I kinda need a gold plated buckle for my 1965 KL6312. Great video! Thank you!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Probably Ebay or the Omega Forums.

[@crackjack14]

The last constellations star looks a bit off too lol

[@Magixcal]

So where did you get these images? Are these images from eBay listings or images from watches people tried to sell you? I’m just curious. Also, awesome video and very informative.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Oh, you name it. Ebay has a tons. Too many to be honest. But google, Instagram, dealer's websites, and other sources will allow me to find many bad apples.

[@tankers3656]

I like that you take time to explain but maybe you can give a picture of an unhampered watch next to the Franken ones so we can compare as we watch.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Will try to do that for future "watch wrong" episode.

[@tankers3656]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel lol my autocorrect changed untempered to unhampered. Sorry about that and thanks for replying.

[@shughes911]

Great video! Thx!! U saved me some money!! Do u have trusted resources to buy from.?

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thank you! I am the most trusted source that you can buy from. Prior to buying anything I do a full thorough examine of the watch inside out. Feel free to visit my website to view all available pieces.

[@bozosni]

Hello, there. Very helpful vodeo! About the two watches at 6:15-7:30, De ville should never bee above Seamaster on the dial but Geneve can be above Seamaster? Because on all the pics i have seen Seamaster is always above Geneve. Also the words " swiss made" i guess is a must at the bottom of the dial for all omega watches? Thank you 💖

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

That's correct. I've never seen a Seamaster Deville with the word Deville above the Seamaster. But, for a Seamaster Geneve, the Geneve can be above the word Seamaster. Not very common though

[@keithisfishing]

Great

[@fgsemedo]

A very informative video. Thank you!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thank you!

[@MYDIYLAB]

Great series, please keep it coming!!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thank you! There are a lots of "watch wrong" series if you check my playlist. :-)

[@MYDIYLAB]

Omega Enthusiast I will watch all of them now 😍

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Haha, make sure to take short break as there are many!

[@MYDIYLAB]

Omega Enthusiast I will! I have watched up to #10 and now I’ll give some time to let all that sink in! Lots of great information for someone who’s kinda new to the vintage watch market. Thanks a lot for this series and regards from Brazil ;)

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

You're more than welcome. If you watch them at the same time you'll get confused and forget everything! haha. You should watch one of my recent video with the "star" dial, it's a Brazilian market Omega.

[@momokadawi8955]

cool and thxx u !

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

You're welcome!

[@CleverSmart123]

Also at 9:36 a Constellation is always adjusted to 5 positions, this one is to 3

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

I think it's the quality of photo unclear. Should be a 5 as there is no adjusted 3 positions. Always 2 or 5 only on such movement.

[@philipyourno7540]

Also, are raised arrow hour markers always paired with dauphine hands? More generally, is there some place I can read about marker/hand pairings on these watches? Thank you!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Arrowhead indexes = dauphine type hands. For vintage models. If you would like to learn a bit about vintage Constellation. Visit this site: omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/

[@alvarocastellanos9809]

Hello! Thanks for your time creating those videos and sharing tips! I am actually looking for characteristics of omega constellation with reference 167021, but I don’t find much. It carries a cal. 712, but I am missing information about type of hands, etc... Could you give me any info or link... any help would be much appreciated! Thanks!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Hey bud, their hands should be straight with black paint or index type with luminous. Will make a video about it in the future.

[@augiedoggie]

On the Seamaster calendar at 15:50 they also didn’t include a T or other lume type indicator around Swiss Made

[@augiedoggie]

I may need to take that back. I've seen legit looking watches with Lume and no T on the dial. I know that other lume material that's not Tritium may be labeled different on the dial, but does any know if its normal to see Tritium lume that's not denoted with a T?

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

That watch is from the 1950s, so the Swiss Made is not supposed to have "T". T = Tritium luminous. 1950s Omega still used Radium luminous.

[@augiedoggie]

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I knew Radium was used, but wasn’t sure of the time period between Tritium.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

@@augiedoggie Tritium was introduced in 1962. At least for vintage Omega. Not sure about other brand names.

[@parksoo-kim6908]

Thank you for these explanations! Can you recommend any online store where I can buy a genuine vintage omega?

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

www.omegaenthusiastltd.com

[@momokadawi8955]

thxx u so much !

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

You're welcome!

[@vinceandtheresa1243]

Another great video thank you! I am looking for a vintage Omega and would like your help, to purchase from you. I reviewed your site, but it is not listed. Can I contact you another way? Do you have a Facebook page? Thank you again and Happy New Year!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Hi there, please take your time. I am sure I'll come across that piece that you're looking for. You can always follow me on Instagram to watch my latest available pieces. I do not have a facebook page. Not at this moment. Wishing you a happy new year as well!

[@josephmcginley2427]

One thing I forgot to mention I recently took my watch to a watch guy and he installed a reverse cyclops on my c shaped Omega but it was round did Omega use a round shaped reversed cyclops on this particular watch?

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

I have seen round one before. But I do not think they exist on the C model. And if the center of the crystal does not have the Omega logo then you know the crystal is not original.

[@TheMjphoto45]

My 1953 Lecoultre automatic bumper had that trillium? On the hands

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Tritium did not exist in 1953 on watch hands. It has to be radium

[@daymondcenteno6066]

If I send you a picture of my seamaster deville can you tell me if it is correct? It even has the omega symbol on the crystal

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Please send to my website email and I'll let you know. But if I am too busy I may not get a chance to read your email. As questions related to my website products are priority. Thank you for your understanding.

[@davebacks6437]

I haven't spotted any discussion of vintage Omega watch crowns on your site. It seems most manual wind Omegas use a crown with multiple, regularly spaced grooves and many, but not all automatics use the style of crown with just 4 lobes (please excuse if I'm using incorrect terminology here). I'm curious to know if there's a rhyme or reason behind Omega's choice of crowns for their older models?

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Hi Dave, basically, for all manual wind watches in general regardless of the brand, the crown is designed in a matter for easy winding. Adding those lines/grooves/knurls or whatever you call it is for easy grip and hold. For an automatic watch on the hand, you really do not need these knurls on the crown since the watch will self wind as you move your wrist throughout the day.

[@davebacks6437]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel So, if you find a vintage Omega manual wind watch with just the 4 lobes on the crown instead of multiple lines/grooves would that be an indication the watch is NOT original?

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Finding a watch with the incorrect crown does not make the watch NOT original. Replacing a crown on the watch is like replacing the rim on a car. It will not affect the value or authenticity of the watch. Worry and focus more on studying the case model. Know how the case should appear and the movement it takes and learn about dial of the watch whether it is factory original or has been refinished. Minor things such as crown and crystal are things that you will naturally pick up as you learn about the watch as a whole.

[@Biblicalgiants]

I have an 1965 Omega KL6312 cal. 560 auto date watch that needed a replacement crystal. The only replacement crystal my watch guy could find is an Omega crystal with a Cyclops. Thanks.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Well, that is fine as a caliber 560 is a date movement. :-)

[@Biblicalgiants]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel Yes it worked out just fine. The new cyclops crystal looks great. It's an authentic Omega crystal too. My watch guy said it was really hard to find and that he probably won't be able to find any more. I made a video of this watch on my KZbin channel. I'd really like you to view it if you ever get time. Thanks for your help!

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

@@Biblicalgiants Oh yeah, especially, if he does not work on vintage Omega frequently. That's why I try to buy out as many vintage Omega crystals as I can. But even so, I can never get enough. haha

[@vintagebikes4215]

Oh dear...what we learn is that buying a vintage Omega watch which has not been checked out by Omega Enthusiast or certified original exposes one to great risk

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Or do some research before you buy. Self knowledge is vital 😊

[@Troyhicks1322]

What is the best Seamaster to buy in your opinion?

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

I am only familiar with vintage. I have no issue with any Seamaster between 1948-1969. But Omega's best automatic movements were introduced in 1959 under the 55X/56X series.

[@jhaycee4536]

Been thinking about buying a vintage omega watch from an Instagramer but im not sure if its really authentic..... How can you help me check whether its authentic or not? TiA

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

You're always welcome to ask me on here: www.buymeacoffee.com/omegaenthusiast

[@sinjon]

Why would that lacquer still be on the case back even if it was new? I e never seen that on a new watch

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

A lot of vintage watches have this lacquer on the case back for scratch protection purposes. Nowadays we used the sticky clear pad instead.

[@sinjon]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel ah ok. Makes sense

[@onezaproductions3998]

Is he saying refinisheded?

[@Pankajkumar100887]

I bought a de Ville vintage omega from japan... can u help me to identify if its original?

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Honestly bud, if you already bought it, best to just assumed that it is genuine. But one thing to keep in mind is, the next time you plan on purchasing another watch to not buy it blindly. Must educate yourself before buying anything.

[@Pankajkumar100887]

Omega Enthusiast agreed

[@dannyfierro1597]

Could you help me with my latest Vintage Omega purchase? I would be happy to provide pics etc.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Hi Danny, the best place to ask questions related to vintage Omega is on the Omega Forums.

[@MrSuperAndrey]

Hi, what's the difference between 2 Ts and 1 T? "SWISS MADE T" vs "T SWISS MADE T" ? Thanks

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Good question! When I first started collecting vintage watches, I am told that one T represent the hands only have luminous and 2 Ts represent the hands and dial must have luminous. However, ever since I started collecting and study vintage Omega, it does not matter whether it is one or two Ts, the dial and hands will both need to have luminous.

[@MrSuperAndrey]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel Thanks for the answer, got it

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

@@MrSuperAndrey You're welcome

[@philipyourno7540]

Did you mean Geneve Omegas with raised hour markers should have raised date windows? Don't de villes and others like LLU6289 have raised hour markers and no date windows? Bare in mind I have a lot to learn about vintage Omegas.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

This one will need sometime to learn. This is a question similar to telling whether if a dial has been refinished or not. I will need to see and example the dial to tell you for sure. Not all Omega watch dial will have the raise window. Even on some same model number the dial vary for the date window.

[@utkucesme5364]

I have watched this video, now I could not find any proper Omega in the current market

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Self-knowledge is vital, so always do your research before you buy. Watch my other videos, and it will slowly build up your confidence.

[@219garry]

Hmmm, perhaps Omega made too many variables. I wanted to get one and now I'm pretty sure I'd get ripped off. LOL. Some have said that what's great about Rolex is they don't have so many variables

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Honestly, I would say Rolex is about the same. Rolex looks similar which is why you can't really differentiate them. But if you study the history of Rolex you'll be able to see that the pricing of Rolexes are all over the place. Let's just say, if the watch is in tip top condition and all original. Whatever you pay for is usually a great deal. Most of my personal pieces I know for sure that I've overpaid, but they are some of the best there is out there in anyone's collection. That's what I aim for.

[@219garry]

Do you have any highly reputable places you can recommend to buy them? Ebay scares me now.@@TimelessHistoryChannel

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

@@219garry well, I am not going to lie to you. But if you have a really good watch maker, from time to time ebay may have some nice stuff appear. Which you can buy and have your watch maker work on it for you. Then again, you'll need to know your stuff first since knowledge is key. No point of buying something bad and have your watch maker restore it. haha. You do know that I run a website selling vintage timepieces right? I mention it in every video and the link is available in the description too.

[@219garry]

OK, I'll check it out. @@TimelessHistoryChannel

[@219garry]

WOW, you have some really beautiful Omegas. Do you know if Omega made a manual wind watch in the year 1967?@@TimelessHistoryChannel

[@yaswanth.s3613]

I have an omega watch with no model name except a omega symbol and name and a swiss made Mark below. The back of the watch is smaller than that of usual The crown was changed by my bro

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Sounds like one from the 60s with a 620 or 625 caliber maybe. No second hand too I suppose?

[@yaswanth.s3613]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel yup that's the one thanks bro

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Anytime!

[@bobechs7234]

If it's vintage and the dial is black it's probably wrong. Black was not as popular then as it is now.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Black dial is very rare. It's common to see black redial. But if you check on my site, you'll be able to find all factory original finish black dial.

[@Rog5446]

I've never heard of a watch being re-finishted. But I have heard of a watch being re-finished.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

Thank you Grammarly! :-D

[@gmshadowtraders]

Please don't even bother collecting vintage omega. It's a complete sham. Every piece is likely franken.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

There are tons of great and well preserved vintage Omega out there. Just need to be a smart buyer. And it does not mean paying a lot of money will get you something good. Sellers who sell almost everything in their shop will most likely know very little about what they have for sale.

[@gmshadowtraders]

@@TimelessHistoryChannel Almost every time someone asks a question about a watch they've found on an internet forum, an expert will come by and say it's a total fake. Maybe I exaggerated by saying all are fakes, sure there are some genuine ones but honestly, I would say 80 to 90 per cent of all vintage Omegas are complete shitters. If you have the knowledge to find that 10 percent cream of the crop then all power to you. I along with others who have been burned trying to buy vintage constellations sadly will call it a day. Regards, G.

[@TimelessHistoryChannel]

I am sorry to hear that bud. Why don't you come visit my site. I can guarantee you that mine will be all 100% genuine. Or I'll refund in full and let you keep the watch. You got scammed maybe because you have purchased from the wrong source or wrong dealer. You know a lot of dealers out there do not just sell one or two brands, but they try to make money by selling anything they can get a hold of. Which is sad as this just show money is more important than providing the right product. I make sure the watch I buy is correct and genuine prior to making the purchase. I myself am a collector and I hate to know that I own something fake, which is why I take priority to sell products that I would be happy to own them myself. @@gmshadowtraders