Starting a Gypsy Family at 16 | My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding | FULL EPISODE | OMG

[@Lee-ox2vn]

Throws a dog in the river, dangles the baby upside down by her feet, has a tattoo of Cheyenne's name, and does an unlicensed boxing match against someone twice his age? AND says he can grow and mold Cheyenne into the girl he wants and she'll be perfect by 20? This boy is a walking red flag

[@tag_u_rit]

I couldn't agree more

[@Egosumcignus]

Unsurprising to find out he later went to prison for a violent crime, right?

[@eileenirizarryramirez880]

They are actually happily married 4 children 10 years later They were babies when they did this documentary and young people do stupid things often I am sure we can all relate

[@mutoidliz2320]

I never dangled a baby upside down ,threw animals in lakes or anything like that when I was younger.Not an excuse.

[@janeevans4758]

He needs a good beating and sent to prison! Cheyannes dad should never have let her marry him..literally ruined his already grieving and heart broken little girl,and she is just that 16 is still a child.

[@kimmarievan-ever6599]

The fact he threw the dog in the river would have finished it for me..not a nice guy at all..then I read he did prison time for beating up a partially blind woman!! How people treat animals tells you what they're like with people..

[@noellekeating7039]

Exactly

[@areasonableperson24]

Heartbreaking that she married Him. She was grieving. Poor dear

[@dinnahenna4163]

They don’t really have a choice to back out

[@sweetpeasandyarrowaranchdi8327]

When he said he was going to mold her, I thought, he probably thinks he can hit her if she doesn't obey. I'm sure he learned this wise wisdom from his father.

[@Velvetcherrysubs]

It’s odd, because in a different episode she said she wanted a man taht treated her with respect and didn’t beat her. And this guy was harassing her at his sisters wedding and she said “we just have to deal with it”. I really wished she had gotten out 😢

[@BigPotatoStuffedWithPotatoes]

Honestly, I try to stay open minded watching these. But my God this dumpster fire of assult, disrespect, animal abuse, neglect, child abuse and sexism is physically sickening. Wow he constantly pushes her boundaries and not respecting her

[@BigPotatoStuffedWithPotatoes]

Also they really shouldn't be using hot irons on that little girl's hair, though I guess the other crazy stuff makes that seem unimportant in perspective

[@atropabelladonna3120]

It amazes me how people have been brainwashed into thinking that you have to be accepting of other people's "cultural norms" in order to be considered open minded and accepting, when if a random citizen of a country did those same things, he/she would be in jail/lose custody of the children/be obligated to pay a huge fine and be accused of being a straight up horrible person.

[@retroreceptionist7571]

Not to mention the domestic abuse

[@redwoodrebelgirl3010]

Exactly.💔

[@yin4296]

@@BigPotatoStuffedWithPotatoes tbh that's the least egregious part. My mom would straighten my hair for me in elementary school because I liked it straight even if she did occasionally burn me lol

[@LingLing0114]

What did it for me is when she said her “dad owns her, and now he’s gotta give her to someone else to own her” wtf, baby girl NO ONE OWNS YOU!!!

[@RedDeadLore]

Yeah, because the women who go out clubbing every night and cheat on their boyfriends are doing so much better than these girls who get married young and have big families to stay loyal to 😂 Your ideals don't mean shit with other cultures.

[@Nah_bron]

Her daddy dose them when she got married he gave her away so now he owns her (why is it so hard to understand 😂)

[@credendovides20]

@@Nah_bron We perfectly understand what it means: women are considered objects that belong to men. That's exactly what's wrong.

[@bod9193]

Because country women aren’t property. Why is it so hard to understand?

[@Nah_bron]

@@bod9193 yah ik ye aren’t but it’s very normal to us

[@natalie9923]

I could not imagine loosing your mom at 15 and then having to plan your own wedding months later. That girl is strong.

[@user-ru6lw4vt2p]

They don't care.

[@s.c.2424]

Imagine marrying the person that was assaulting you. Those beautiful girls don't stand a chance. 😭

[@sarahj6987]

I know I felt so sad throughout this whole thing I feel like I just watched a sad movie 😢

[@ShayAlly]

Heart dropped when she said there’s not much a woman can do but tryna get them off & live w it

[@michelewilliams5131]

And then what he did to her dog as well! Major red flags!!!

[@1961-v9k]

@@michelewilliams5131 I have never forgotten the way he threw her dog into the river when this was first aired 10 years ago. I would have ran for the hills then. He comes from a very abusive and violent family.

[@eggmon420]

@@ShayAlly it’s sad how true it is aswell.

[@raenfairy]

'Controversial courtship technique' also known as sexual assault.

[@gaetanodragonetti3942]

Gotta love euphemism

[@CourtneyLachiver]

Someone needs to teach these poor girls in this community a little something called self defense. If any man tried to grab me the way these creepy boys did, they'd be looking at a black eye, broken penis and missing teeth after I'm through with them.

[@MikkiGray]

Exactly

[@anthonyjohnson6973]

But …………… it’s tradition

[@raenfairy]

@@anthonyjohnson6973 Ohhh I didn't know.. carry on then 😳😳😳😂😂😂

[@Rhaemaddy]

this is so sick and sad. i understand that i’ll never understand because i’m not a part of it, but omg, these girls deserve SO MUCH better.

[@lucillejeffery4740]

This is not how real gypsys live there life I promise you that.This is just a fake tv show that want the real gypsy lifestyle to look bad to non gypsys who dont know how they really live there lives they are very private people who would never put there self in a tv show

[@KashhoneyPhantom]

Agreeed!!!

[@KashhoneyPhantom]

So sad….

[@coralgwyn-williams9933]

no...sadly they don't. they choose this, it's pathetic

[@IRISHFELLA2010]

What, like being brainwashed by feminism and turning to Only fans

[@Trebarwith]

'Grabbing' being described as an 'unconventional courtship technique' is infuriating. Call it what it is: Sexual assault.

[@RedDeadLore]

Your ideals don't mean shit in other cultures. What's a trauma for *YOU* is simply a way to stick up for yourself for another. Also, did he ever force the kiss in the end? No, he commented how he didn't get the kiss... Tell me you never had boys joke around with you while you were young without telling me 😅

[@RedDeadLore]

I've been pretty my whole life. I had boys scooping me up and putting me against the wall to ask for a kiss multiple times in my later teen years... Not a trauma. It was playful fun. Stop trying to make everyone victims.

[@idkofaname4835]

@@RedDeadLore fair enough but I think it’s because he pinned her to the wall and we didn’t see him ask for consent

[@Nah_bron]

It’s not a sexual assault it’s a simple kiss not that bad tbh

[@bod9193]

@RedDelore Actually, hun, they do. There’s something called ‘the law’. You have to abide by it as much as anyone else.

[@kmh219]

Ladies and gentleman, animal abuse within the first 4 minutes of this "documentary". Solid. Also, a direct quote from Josie after spending her freaking HONEYMOON traveling.... "I am kind of getting used to it now, I'm not breaking down or crying everyday, like I'm passed all them stages". Truly a 17 year old girls fairy tale right there.

[@jamie-leighgibson2338]

The girls cry being away from family its normal they haven't ever left family and all off a sudden away for months

[@cnrblog2660]

@@jamie-leighgibson2338 right lol my sister moved out in her mid 20’s and cried so it has nothing to do with being young

[@TimiDelta]

Thank you for telling me, I dont want to see that.

[@jamie-leighgibson2338]

@@cnrblog2660 exactly everyone reacts different im not from a traveller family but moved out with partner at 16 loved it now in my 20s and miss being home now since its been so long

[@giovannasworld3313]

It’s a reality show not a documentary

[@racheld7528]

It’s been 12 years since Cheyenne got married. So Josie’s daughter is now almost a teenager. I would like to know where these people are now.

[@jasminejones255]

Same !

[@RaniS.S01]

Please let us know if you learned something!

[@real_lish1]

Cheyenne and John have 4 kids. Their kids are apples from this tree, not fallen far at all.

[@racheld7528]

@ I won’t lie..I thought they may have more. But if they are happy and doing well I’m glad to hear it.

[@yunuenc7487]

Josie’s baby is now a gorgeous teenager and shes got 6 other kids, Cheyenne is still gorgeous too! 😊they seem very happy

[@reginafallangie2867]

She claims he treats his mom so great, but he’s cruel to an innocent dog. 🤬

[@Allannah_Of_Rome]

Yeah, you can always judge a person by how they treat animals. Pretty disgusting much!!

[@janececelia7448]

Yep, I thought that also. Some AH did that to my wee dog in a very cold rapid river when I was a kid. I went fucking berserk. That boy is going to physically abuse her for sure. I have no doubts about that.

[@sharonstevenson1770]

He's a pig

[@sharonstevenson1770]

@@janececelia7448 your so right she's in for trouble with him.

[@margvinc]

That girl in the white pantsuit needed a shirt poor thing!

[@debanderson457]

Cheyanne is a very strong young woman. She held up so well without her mom. I hope that who she is won't get lost in her chosen lifestyle. She got aces in my book for her wedding!!

[@littlemy1773]

@Late 30’s classics her choice, wasn’t forced on her ,and they’re still together ten years on with four kids, so what’s the issue? Respect other peoples cultures!!

[@littlemy1773]

@Late 30’s classics she’s not a child tho . Where I live she’s old enough to vote, drive, join the army, leave home, and get married so I fail to see how she’s a child . We were constantly told at that age at school we are now young adults. Romany, and travellers do things differently one of the main reasons being they have a much lower life expectancy than gorjas, especially the men . This is why many of them marry so young . They’re prepped for it all their life it’s insulting to be calling her a child . Especially after everything that young lady went through she is exceptionally mature. It’s not covered in this episode but if you dig more into her life you’ll find interviews and the like. She’s always impressed me and many others

[@littlemy1773]

@Late 30’s classicsI live in the Isle of Man we obviously have different laws cos 16 year olds have been able to vote for at least ten years now

[@littlemy1773]

@Late 30’s classics ok fair enough, I forget the laws can be so different even tho it’s only a twenty minute flight away . People seem horrified that 16 year olds can do so much here bar drink in pubs obviously. The voting thing was bought in because of voting apathy tbh, Scotland or the Channel Islands or both were on about doing this as well not long back due to apathy

[@littlemy1773]

@Late 30’s classics no that’s the only one they can’t do, like it stops teens anyway lol, oh and I think ciggies is 18 now it was 16 when I was in my twenties . I don’t drink myself and I’ve not a clue how anyone can afford to get rotten in this day and age, let alone kids . It’s over five quid a pint here . That being said even under uk law a five year old can drink there’s some caveat like it has to be at home or if it’s in a restaurant must be accompanied with a parent and a meal must be consumed . My dad was strict with us and drink, but my cousins were raised in Belgium and Steven my elder cousin told me he’s only ever been drunk once cos the attitude to kids and drink there is hugely different . Being drunk isn’t cool whereas having a glass of wine with a meal is civilised to Belgians

[@CupOfTae_SugaKookies_Sprite]

He brought….souvenirs….from prison…like he was away on a business trip in the Bahamas or something. This is absolutely unreal.

[@pattido777]

Hilarious 😂😂😂

[@paintitblack9712]

🤣🤣🤣

[@mereoleona3154]

Literally that what I was thinking like bro has life so easy 😂😂

[@buzzzzzz69]

Not to mention the fact he's probably on parole- assuming this bcz he's only done half his sentence- & then proceeds to pop the cork on a bottle of champagne three minutes after he gets out. As far as I'm aware parole means he isn't allowed to be drinking alcohol.

[@TheKatarinaGiselle]

@@buzzzzzz69idk the rules of Great Britain when it comes to parole.

[@Itspoppyme]

I just want to scoop Cheyenne up in a hug and tell her I'll be there for her and everything will be okay. The absolute tragedy and disgrace of this 16 year old having to deal with such a collection of manipulators and abusers and having no mother to help her through it. My heart breaks for her 💔

[@C87-q9j]

She is by far my most favourite. Polite, respectful, mature - she deserved far better than that abusive POS she ended up marrying.

[@katep8401]

They are still married with 4 kids

[@Fallen-angel2020]

@@katep8401where would she go? They are bred like animals so that they CANT leave. Shes got no education so would struggle to get a job. Thats why they pull them out of school young so they can’t get educated and rebellious. They are basically slaves to their husbands

[@Julie-hf4ch]

@@katep8401 4 kids at age 26 its crazy and the partner did prison. they're both young and looking amazing. I just hope that she is happy and he looks after his family.

[@MaryannB9203]

Agree! There was something very special about Cheyenne & she always stood out to me, so I liked her very much. She was my fave traveller girl. I think she also stood up to John a fair bit. She always appeared to be very mature for her age at the time time, which was 15, turning 16 when she married. She was always very polite, well behaved, dressed nicer, was very dignified, classier, sensible & kind. She was very polite & respectful with anyone she came in contact with. No tantrums, not loud or aggressive like most of the others. I hope she's happy. Would love to see a follow-up on these marriages, in particular Cheyenne & John.

[@cookiehuntress4173]

Love the pure irony that Josie says her daughter won't be growing up with dirty language at 4:42 only to hear Josie's sibling call baby Josie a b***** at 6:46.

[@brandielambright460]

I caught that, too. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@flamingo2603]

Lol

[@christenbowen437]

Caught that as well.

[@godmadethedonkeytalkjuliem8404]

I noticed that.

[@xxaliciajeanxx]

or "it doesn't matter if you get married in a shithole, it's all about the dress"

[@kayleighmn8945]

They really played down that Josie attacked a partially blind and pregnant woman. Later, both John and Isaac went to prison for mugging a woman and threatening her toddler

[@ileanaoliverdiaz4167]

I didn’t know that John and Isaac went to prison wow

[@naptownt7197]

Pure scumbags!

[@megmurphy6847]

How do you know??

[@lesleyd1987]

@@megmurphy6847 google his name and it’ll come up, he’s a horrible and nasty man.

[@kayleighmn8945]

@Meg Murphy it was in the news when it happened because it was amanda holdens neighbour, and she spoke about it on TV

[@OriginalMeanGirl]

So, he grabs her and clearly wasn't phased by her boundaries, and then throws her dog in the river? How does he treat his mom? Does he torture her pets too? This poor girl doesn't even see it! 💔

[@amirahelechi7113]

111

[@jajdndhduxz4257]

She does, but their culture forces them to be together, also the guy might be threatening her to marry him so there’s that

[@soniarose1983]

No but the boys are all the same and she knows they all get a pass. So no use fighting she figures. It’s just how it is

[@OriginalMeanGirl]

@@soniarose1983 I guess if you're talking specifically about this "gypsy" culture. This show paints gypsies in a terrible light. My mother's side descended from Romas that immigrated to the US and many of the old ways definitely were passed down. As a toddler you're cooking and cleaning 24/7, and everything you do is about "finding a husband". Boys don't have curfews but girls are very spoiled and doted on. When I'd visit for the summer I had to have an uncle or cousin with me at all times and my aunt would "chaperone" any phone calls from boys. But the abuse you see in these shows absolutely was not tolerated. Every man in the girl's family would show up for a visit.

[@Kate-lk6tw]

@@OriginalMeanGirlRomas are totally different. These are Irish. Not close to the same.

[@Blackbirdinthedeadofnight]

There’s something so elegant about Cheyenne.. she has quite strength confidence that makes her soft but commanding at the same time. She is seems very mature and classy. All the best!

[@rongold7719]

Are you referring to the girl that watched as her dog who can’t swim was thrown in the pool ? I would have been in the lake after the dog and not walking away with him hand in hand!

[@everynewdayisablessing8509]

To me she sounded resigned with life, resigned to marrying the guy who AS-ed her. She didn't sound excited to be marrying the man of her dreams. Poor girl. She's only 15, lost her mum and now is planning her wedding to the guy with lots of red flags. He was HOLDING BABY UPSIDE DOWN!

[@chronicallyillicit]

Are we tlkn about the same Cheyenne.....are u even watching the KZbin?? 🧐

[@Chelle1214]

The legal age for marriage should be 18. You can't sign any other type of contract before then. Give the poor girls a chance.

[@Andrew-mr4kr]

To be fair most travellers don't get legally married, they just find a church that accepts to do it. Most travellers believe in the talion and clan laws, not official government

[@Ohhhwehere]

in many countries the legal age is 16, but they need the parents consent to the marriage if the bride and/or the groom is under 18.

[@ekg891]

The legal age is 18 but if you do it before then you need your parents' permission which is the case for all these girls getting married. Their parents are signing the necessary documents giving consent to the marriage.

[@joannegregory3024]

Fortunately now in England and Wales you cant get married until your 18 regardless of parental consent………… so sad these girls think a man owns them

[@megheuman4143]

Well the legal age to quit school isn't 10 or 11! If one generation were made to attend 1-12 with passing grades and be encouraged to higher education this cycle would stop. Grown people who can't read and write or add 4 + 4 is a disgrace

[@sps6374]

Soooo… apparently, the dad, Chris McFadyen, went to prison for taking a woman prisoner in a car and beating her up, because of a family feud of some sort - which explains the ankle tag his daughter had to wear. A press article states that he “lunged at Miss Casey through the open window of her sister’s Mini Cooper. McFadyen and four others, including his wife, surrounded the vehicle before the father of nine punched his victim in the face, leaving her with a bruised face and chipped teeth.” The mother, Josie Doherty, 2 of the daughters (Josie and Barbara McFadyen) and one of the sons (Isaac McFadyen) and a cousin of theirs (Charlie Collins) were back in the dock in 2019 for allegedly “attacking a partially blind pregnant woman and her eight-month pregnant sister in a mass brawl at a nail bar. According to the hearing at Kingston Crown Court, some of the attackers stamped on Margaret's head and stomach while one allegedly shouted: "Go on kick the baby out of her".” Later in 2019, sons Isaac and John McFadyen (Cheyenne’s teen-grabbing, dog-throwing, women-molding husband) were jailed with their gang of 12 thugs for various offenses, including were sentenced for offences including “conspiracy to rob, conspiracy to burgle, conspiracy to steal, criminal damage and handling stolen goods. The gang first came to the police’s attention on 31 December 2017 when they carried out a ram raid on the high-end outdoor clothing company Altimus in Kensington High Street using a stolen Range Rover and several mopeds.” “"They terrified their victims during a number of calculated and violent ordeals”. In particular, John and Isaac McFadyen, became infamously known for “trying to snatch a toddler from his mum with 2 other gang members during an attempted robbery caught by CCTV cameras in 2018. John grabbed her arm hard enough to leave bruises and told her: “Give me your rings. I’m going to hurt your child and take him away.” Footage shows the “terrified” woman dragging her child into the road before builders chased the gang away, brandishing scaffolding poles.”The crime was shared widely on social media. Well well well, how charming and endearing. Truly aspirational.

[@junopierre2988]

That is absolutely disgusting. Talk about a trash family

[@0hMyLife]

YIKES!!!!

[@queennzinga5988]

They wonder why they get treated like shit in jail always fighting a woman gypsies are bitches

[@hailey-lh2kd]

If that’s how he’s treating strangers so confidently, imagine how he’s treating his poor wife behind closed doors

[@vericaz3894]

@lindamiscandlon6746 hey now dont speak for everyone. .most gipsy people all over the world are normal what ever nirmal is. These are literary a MINORITY. Not good beautiful very family oriented people that don't live in trailers and are educated and have normal jobs just like everyone else those from the show are a minority. .plus dont forget thats a tv show they blow it all out for sensationalism

[@nerylhales1857]

It was nice that Barbara dad asked her if she wanted to get married.

[@kristenbeaty1835]

“We’re very religious” and then they are half dressed, cursing, getting arrested for assault, drinking, smoking… 🧐

[@IraG0427]

Yup. Lack of education also plays a big part.

[@lumpchunker5516]

For sure. These are some of the most un-Christ-like Christians I've ever seen.

[@anthonyhassett]

@@IraG0427 how do you think formal education, which they do not engage in, is going to change over 30 generations of social conditioning?

[@Scarlettx0x]

We’re gypsys dats why u got a problem wit de way we dress and act so what if we do ta stuff we’re religious at de end of thu day

[@kristenbeaty1835]

@@Scarlettx0x You can do what you want, say what you want, live how you want, it’s your choice. But religion doesn’t save, Jesus does. No one “good” or religious gets into heaven, only those who repent and believe on Jesus for their salvation!

[@tdallbright]

I lost my mother less than a year ago. I love how they still pay so much respect to the brides mother. Very touching.

[@p4sm4ter]

Cheyanne is outstanding. What a noble composure this young girl has. Its unbelievable. I truly wish she got rid of him in the meantime, whichever way, and shes living her best life. ❤

[@_Tabasco]

It's hard to beleive that Cheyenne was only 15/16 when this was being filmed. She is such a lady. I'm sure her Mam was with her every step of the way, on her wedding day ❤️

[@Zzz2x]

You’re a ducking weirdo she’s a child

[@Asigedge]

Everyone is talking about the dog but no one is talking about how he was holding the baby by her leg, upside down in the church

[@georginamcallum1324]

Because the dog was view first. She chose to be with him abusing a poor animal and a poor baby.

[@paraisoharis]

omg yes! like what the actual f

[@SuperMel81-j5l]

Because most people are crappy and care more about animals than children.

[@amazing5392]

Exactly this weirdos​@@SuperMel81-j5l

[@user-ct8jz2hp5v]

What baby

[@Beastafication_VS]

Chayennne is such a beautiful mature young lady,l cant even believe how composed and calm she was although her mom had recently died. I hope she’s living a nice happy life

[@lorrainebennett7528]

I love how Cheyanne thanked the driver, a classy young lady.

[@Birdsoftheworld54]

Well, I think she is a few millennia from being deemed"classy".

[@hitmandahl]

Wow.. and then they wonder why people look down on their outdated “culture”. Can’t really call an abusive relationship a culture…

[@TheKatarinaGiselle]

Most cultures include abuse throughout the world. Unfortunately.

[@markzelinski4434]

Their dancing gets me every time! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@roseannegagliardi7546]

Tell me about it…it’s like they copped 40,000 volts 😂😂

[@littlelizzi3135]

It's definitely interesting 🤣🤣

[@tekiuroti8455]

And when they put it in slow mo 🤣🤣🤣

[@anthonyhassett]

It's the "Spanish look" apparently like pineapples and cats come from Spain.

[@anthonyhassett]

@@tekiuroti8455 should put it do a techno dance beat or Irish techno music "dance to Tipperary"

[@littlelizzi3135]

I find the concept of owning a woman difficult.. to see these young women happily talking about being owned it doesn't sit right. I get their point about teens getting pregnant outside marriage etc but two wrongs don't make a right.. Oh and giving your daughter a Bible you've just stolen is just straight up hilarious 🙄🤣

[@kerryalfaro9437]

THE bible IS given by the prison chaplain for him to keep

[@susanstorm857]

they are raised to believe that's all there is to life, its heartbreaking

[@littlelizzi3135]

@@kerryalfaro9437 sorry I didn't realize that and shouldn't have assumed, thanks

[@Windigo-OAK]

Yeah I had trouble watching after that

[@anthonyhassett]

It's not that hard, up to 100 years ago in the UK you could tie a rope around your wife's waist, take her down to the market and sell her like a horse or a cow.

[@lwc82]

The fact he said he wanted to grow her mold her how he wants her to be by the time she's 20, she will be perfect. What is she an object, a piece of clay? How is this husband material?

[@marymikehawkins6682]

This makes me so sad.... Isnt it possible to be a Gypsy Traveler WITHOUT being abusive??! Without the constant drinking? Without assaults??!!

[@cherrytraveller5915]

Yes but this is the problem with raising their kids wild. They are strict on the girls but raise the boys tough. They keep forgetting to raise the boys to show respect towards their women

[@InkaPley]

When the 6 year old said in to the camera "it dont matter if you get married in a shit hole,its the dress!". Lmao. That literally subs up the whole culture,tradition and priorities of these people in the best way in such few words. Poetic really...EDNTT EHTTT?!

[@fpsreactions8481]

This video really shows you how wild these travellers are. It is crazy. Unlicensed boxing against a guy twice your age, married at 16, the kid drinking in the limo at like the age of 9, sexual assault being so normalised... It's as if they were living in the medieval era. If anything Im astounded and amazed at these traditions.

[@carolleeames6659]

The girls are raised to look forward to their wedding dress. It’s the ONLY thing they have! After that, it’s a life of cleaning, cooking, taking care of your husband and having babies while he does as he pleases. But she got a huge oversized, ridiculous wedding gown that she couldn’t walk gracefully in because it was too heavy! That’s it! Her life is done!

[@baddie1shoe]

Why do they look so happy? They do. They have each other. The Irish Traveller women are so beautiful. Fine & delicate features with big smiles.

[@amberholt870]

The last 20 seconds a girl is begging a guy to get off her and he replies with “ shhh I’m talking” heartbreaking that they did nothing about it

[@anthonyhassett]

The production crew are not there to intervene. They are there to document. Now think this through, would you want to interfere with a tense social confrontation between a bare Knuckle boxer and his woman? Think of the consequences...

[@stevieshae51]

It's truly disgusting and horrible

[@CourtneyLachiver]

​@@anthonyhassett hey, the camera people have their equipment and stuff to clobber some so called bare knuckled fighter with. Half these "fighters" are all bark, no bite.

[@Kate-lk6tw]

@@anthonyhassettThey are witnessing a crime. End of story.

[@stargrl22]

I'm pretty sure that's Cheyenne 😢

[@maureenkirby1207]

Cheyenne is alot more mature than John. Smashing cake in her face just proved it. He said he plans on "molding" her over time until she's "perfect". Hopefully he's grown up since then and she hasn't regretted marrying him.

[@kathrynchristian2651]

He’s in jail from what I found

[@maureenkirby1207]

@@kathrynchristian2651 I read that he's a dad to four kiddies now. He needs to grow up and set a good example for them.

[@anthonyhassett]

I have cheese in my fridge with mold that is more mature than him. It's not going happen any time soon

[@sps6374]

Weeeeell… don’t Google Chris, John, Isaac, Barbara or Josie (Josephine) McFadyen then, or you’ll be in for bitter disappointment. I don’t know about the rest of the McFadyen family, but these sure know where to find trouble !

[@1alayzzia]

So what would you say to all the 30 and forty year olds who smash cake into their loved one's faces at their weddings?

[@pamelapope859]

My heart goes out to Cheyanne. I know how it feels as I lost my mom to cancer too. She is a very strong young lady and I'm sure she will be ok with the Lord's help.

[@deenice5444]

Sorry for your loss Pamela Pope

[@kerrypeters4724]

Child she 16

[@lesliecruguet4136]

Forget that she's gonna need an attorney and a restraining order.

[@Kate-lk6tw]

Certainly no help from her massive toddler husband

[@Kate-lk6tw]

@@kerrypeters4724yes, a child under the law in Britain. The law.

[@debrabolton9372]

Such beautiful young women. I admire Cheyanne. She is strong. It is not easy to lose a mother at her age, any age. I hope that her marriage and life have been happy. ❤❤

[@tygottafeelin9753]

“I don’t see anything wrong with this! Just a natural relationship is all” -Ike Turner

[@loubellzebub2080]

Has no one mentioned how that poor baby was constantly crying, in every scene it was in and just looked so ignored 😭

[@kaitlinmatt5187]

When she nearly got its foot with the door aswell my heart stopped for a second don't think she even knows where it is half the time NOT TO MENTION him holding the baby upside down at the christening

[@kamilalipiec9420]

ikr. I thought no one is gonna mention the child nelect here

[@lizzypop2628]

In this culture family is everything. To lose her mom at such a young age😢 I really felt for her and am so impressed by her positive attitude and strength. Wishes towards a happy marriage!!!

[@queennzinga5988]

In every culture family is everything tho

[@cecillehall]

​@@queennzinga5988a1qq

[@jamie-leighgibson2338]

​@@queennzinga5988not true they have no one else bar family

[@Kate-lk6tw]

He treats Cheyenne with contempt. How is that family being everything

[@nikkiwilliams9747]

ANIMAL ABUSE!!!! She said she liked the way he treated his Mom, yet he threw her Poor and innocent dog into the dirty shallow water..That makes me SICK

[@HeartStruck333]

Surprise surprise he went to jail for assaulting a partially blind, pregnant woman

[@monkeynumbernine]

Your comment makes me laugh 😂 Dogs are drawn to the most disgusting things possible to eat... even if they have better options... My dog and my brother's dog got into a seriously vicious fight over a fresh, steaming cowflop left behind by some neighborhood cow who was roaming around and got on my mother's driveway. I thought they were going to kill each other over who got it. Neither one of them were lacking great food - they just really wanted that fresh, steaming pile of cowflop. Dogs know how to swim, they love water. They don't care about stinky things, in fact they love stinky things 😂

[@CourtneyLachiver]

​@@monkeynumbernine you're an idiot.

[@mernokimuvek]

@@monkeynumbernine Animals are more important than humans. Animal rights will take over human rights after old times generations are gone.

[@juliemclain5841]

Awe, poor dog went for a swim and was perfectly fine. One of the issues in this world is because people put animals above humans and act like they are so offended by getting to play in the water. If only all the poor and orphans were cared for, and fought for like all those poor animals, right?!

[@nurclaudi5615]

Am I the only one really surpised, how old these girls look? Despite of their strange style, they look at least 5-10 years older, than they are. My daughter is 15, you can't compare...

[@fairynuff167]

They look normal to me. Maybe your 15yr old has been babied and looks 12? 16, 17 is a young adult. Not everyone is immature at that age. 16 is the age v consent.

[@dodo12145]

Exactly! I thought so the girls look who they are in their mid 20s

[@candiceWentzel-tj7lj]

The way he treated the dog. People like that don’t deserve oxygen

[@tundrawomansays694]

I am so sorry for your loss, Cheyanne. I’m sure it’s very challenging planning your wedding without your mom but you are right, she’s with you even if you can’t see her. Best wishes.

[@XXXXXX-tn6pl]

bro it happened 11 years ago...

[@fupalicious843]

I have a mother but I’m planning my wedding myself lol

[@alifulk]

being a radiology student and hearing him say “its definitely fractured, it might be broken” made me lol

[@C87-q9j]

I'm not even a doctor in any measure but same lol

[@ash2lar]

Trauma RN here- thought the same thing! Must have Xray vision..

[@mssorrento1]

A lot of people don't realise that fractured and broken mean the same thing

[@shylaroul7467]

They're dressed like whores, and married off as children. 😢😮 travel away. Gross

[@PincheBecky0Effsgiven]

He brought gifts like he just came home from vacation. Then again with so many people living under 1 roof, it probably did feel like a vacation.

[@vodiaxoagus3127]

Where did he buy those gifts tho

[@annacorti6283]

@@vodiaxoagus3127 he made them in prison

[@bw.1]

At least Barbara’s father had the decency to ask if she was happy enough and if it’s what she wants to do…most parents would force or tell them to marry their partner no other questions or anything else said

[@bexmw]

The audacity to say he’s signing his life away in the same breath as “by the time she’s 20 I’ll have molded her to exactly what I see as perfect”

[@ifeyhome]

Josie & Swanley are divorced. Marriage barely lasted 2 years. Also, Josie's immediate younger sister got divorced too!

[@unknownuser_99]

How do you know this? What about Cheyenne?

[@rebeccat6825]

@@unknownuser_99cheyanne and him are still married but he tried to kidnap some ones toddler

[@unknownuser_99]

@@rebeccat6825 What?! Why?

[@calliew311]

What happened to Josie's other baby? She was pregnant with twins. One boy and one girl. What happened? The shoe doesn't say anything about it.

[@Kate-lk6tw]

@@unknownuser_99it’s called the internet. Search them 🤦‍♀️

[@isabellacortines672]

so is no one gonna talk about the sexual assault and animal cruelty?😦

[@Goldrefinedthrufire]

Comments full of that

[@TaylorL.X.K]

Cheyenne is the only girl on all of these shows. Who don't look like a tired feed up old housewife. She still has her youth. Her mother passing is sad. Ownership of another human. NOOO! These are babies having babies and marrying. The whole grabbing tradition or whatever. Has always been creepy and gross. It is borderline s**ual harassment if not there already. The other girl father is going to prison. This is not something that just happened. He didn't fall and trip. No it wasn't a horrible crime. He is a grown man with a ton of kids who made a choice. I hope the next time he thinks about his kids. His child has to wear a ankle monitor. The double standards that the males can do whatever and the females have to remain a certain way is not okay.

[@MaryannB9203]

Cheyenne appeared to be very mature for her age & very polite. I also noticed she said thank you to her wedding day limo driver when he held her bouquet for her while she was trying to get out of the limo. She never appeared stupid or silly like most of the others, she had more class & manners than most of them. I'm actually watching all the replays atm.

[@wolfc8755]

They have these large, supposedly close knit families but there wasn't a single aunt or grandmother who could have stepped into the role of her mother to help this poor dear girl out with all her wedding planning?? And there wasn't an aunt or grandmother to support her and help her dress on her wedding day??? She didn't even have someone to fuss over her and help her get herself and her dress in and out of the car, or to fluff up all the layers of her dress and make sure both the dress and the veil were perfect as she walked into the church!!!

[@Find-Your-Bliss-]

Never are there elders involved. Where is grandpa & grandma- maybe they don’t live to be older.

[@eggmon420]

I’m sorry but that was so cute: “Why are you happy?” “Because there’s gonna be a wedding and I can get more cake.”

[@juliekulatunga4188]

would love to have an update of all these girls 11years after their weddings. Love the closeness of the traveling community.

[@Allannah_Of_Rome]

Half of them are divorced and some have even left the travel community. It was bound to happen. I left when I was 21, unmarried with a toddler and half of my traveller friends have also left. There's really no place for the old ways in this day and age but it hasn't completely died out tho, the older gen are still hanging on by thread!!

[@amiedavis5257]

Happy for you Allannah. I just can't imagine marrying the idiot I was with when I was 15-16. If you know Violet Anne, she was one of the oldest to get married in her early 20's. Larry I believe was her husband's name.

[@pkk639]

Domestic violence, washing a caravan every day, cheating husband, loads of kids, over weight, eldest child looking after all their youngest children as they are "teaching them how to be stay at home breeders and caravan cleaners/ home cleaners", the male children fighting each other, swearing and being taught that women are their property that they can do what they want with etc etc The "closeness" comes from young girls being bored beyond tears cleaning and cooking from 11 yrs onwards so they look towards the future - a big wedding and then leaving their parents to have loads of kids of their own and repeat the same life they couldn't wait to leave. The girls are told that you can never leave your husband no matter how bad and what he does to them or anyone else as they will be alone forever and being that they have barely any education and have never worked nor had to provide for their family in their life so they are scared to lose their husband so they stay - the men know this so they cheat and beat them cos they know they can get away with it. Travellers have an incredibly high domestic violence rate. I do think things are slowly changing but it needs to end, this is no way of life for any woman!

[@charleycurls_]

@@amiedavis5257 I loved violet Anne and would love to know If she's still married. She didn't seem happy at all

[@phoebecousins-palmer4372]

John & Cheyenne are still married with 4 kids!

[@makaylahope7]

The only thing I love about all of these people is that family is #1. They genuinely LOVE their family.

[@merriferrell2818]

Their families are like cults

[@miekaash6831]

That’s why they marry their cousins.

[@PuffinPsychologist]

I mean we have already established that John is public enemy number one. But, what really disheartened me is the visit to Cheyanne’s mom. From the moment they arrived, he was guiding her so quickly she almost tripped over her dress multiple times. He then rushes her around the grave. Takes the bouquet from her and lays it himself… Then asks her “Ready?”. Before he even finished getting the word out of his mouth, she responded with “Not yet”. I mean her response was almost instantaneous… But he proceeded to walk over, she turned away, he grabbed her arm and then they were already on their way back to the car. He then immediately says “kiss”, not even 3 feet from her mother’s grave, but she complied. As soon as they got in the car, he gave the same command 3 times…. Throughout all of this Cheyanne looked terrified. He however, could not contain himself from grinning… He is psychotic. It also makes me question why Cheyanne stayed “waiting for the Phantom” for nearly 2 hours, despite being surrounded by vehicles… It seems to me that the magnitude of the situation had sank in and she was trying to prolong the wedding…

[@ont.cobbles]

There is absolutely no point where Cheyenne looks even remotely happy. Even during her wedding.. she'll smile for a split second and then looks utterly pissed off literally the entire time. Their in for a "fun" marriage.

[@yolandejacobs6881]

The way the LITTLE GIRLS are already dancing is disgusting!

[@jamiesims7758]

In one of the shots the little girl had a (unlit) cigarette to her mouth. The way they have them dress and dance and act just don’t sit ok with me. It’s disturbing. Idc what other people do normally but they are sexualizing little girls and act like it’s totally ok. So many screwed up things on this show

[@Rose32-t2t]

​@jamiesims7758 I couldn't believe the little girl had a cigarette in her mouth , they were propping the newborn up with a air rifle as well. My jaw drops watching this.

[@chloewheatley1593]

@@jamiesims7758 a lil girl said "come on bitch" to the baby at the beginning.

[@reb.22]

she is justifying the assault claiming that no boys want to be seen as a failure in their friends' eyes and she basically gaslighted herself into believing this to the point she even said it was thr best thing that could happen. I'm really shocked and sorry for this girl, I hope she will realize what respect, actual love and care really means, and I hope the boy learns to take no as an answer and that he can't have anything he wants

[@TigerheartedWolf]

They won't learn this.

[@xindigochildx]

Cheyenne I’m so sorry for your loss 🌸 prayers and love to you and your family

[@juliemclain5841]

Also, her flowers are so beautiful! She did a wonderful job on her own!

[@CourtneyLachiver]

Ownership of a girl? What is this, slavery?! When my fiancé asked my parents for their blessing before proposing, not once did he say he wanted to own me at all. We're getting married next year and love each other very much. He loves me for me and says he would never change me at all.

[@kimmarievan-ever6599]

He said he wants to mould her into the woman he wants by the time she is 20 !!.. that is an awful statement to make about the person you are marrying..all about dominance from the grabbing to the marriage..

[@roximusmaximus195]

When the woman asked Cheyenne,who is clearly trying her best to get through the day without her beloved mother - "what would she be doing if she was here now?" WAS NOTHING BUT CRUEL. How the fuck you ask a young girl that on her wedding day? I would have lost it.

[@anthonyhassett]

Yeah but the TV crew don't care they want to make "good television"!

[@goldensloth7]

i know, just awful

[@MandyMeowington5]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that. They really just asked such an emotionally charged and tear-inducing question as she was getting her EYE MAKEUP done at all times 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@LynterraJ]

He didn’t sit right w me when he grabbed her and she said “just deal w it” But I was confirmed he is horrible after he launched that dog like a bottle rocket. He’s a cage fighter he should be more disciplined as he is dangerous to society. I hope she’s okay you can tell she’s a sweet girl.

[@supernaturalcol8300]

"My daddy owns me". Everything about this makes me want to scream.

[@jacquiquinn997]

Celebrating that he's been to prison. Says it all.

[@patriciawoods5544]

It was the hanging the baby upside down for me. The parents just stood there.

[@MissIncorrigibleOfOz]

Yours is the first mention I can find of it as I scroll through the comments! It's at 24:24 if anyone wants to be horrified.

[@PastelCreationsByKatrina]

I can’t believe he held the baby up side down 😮why???? 😢

[@emakelley6807]

It’s a joke because they are the godparents…. I thought it was pretty funny tbh

[@Sunrey2356]

@@emakelley6807 smh

[@BellaIsMyBaby]

​@@emakelley6807Sick control move of a psychopath.

[@charlenesearlesrod5]

Every gypsy girl has the same dance moves 🤣

[@anthonyhassett]

Seen an bullock tangled in an electric fence. They both had the same grace and dignity.

[@SnowWhite717_]

When Cheyenne and John went to put the bouquet on her Mums grave… I lost it. 😔 so sad for her to not have her Mum there. I wish them well ❤ Also, did anyone else notice that Cheyenne looks JUST LIKE John’s mum Josie Sr? Spitting image! They say boys look for a bit of their mum in a wife and she’s her miniature 😅

[@nyquiehall9945]

I def did and was saying the same thing. But you know what they say... every boy marries his mom!

[@kimmielynnburton9591]

Yes,yes,yes his mom could be her mom easily

[@susanstorm857]

definitely noticed the resemblance! they must be related!

[@Nisa-oe9dd]

First episode ı watched thought his mom was her mom. They might be related

[@suesmith4289]

NOT TRUE lol.

[@katiemary8075]

This poor girl was clearly depressed over missing her mum, I hope this guy treats her right she’s beautiful inside and out.

[@Black_Magic_Woman]

They’re still going strong all these years later and have a beautiful family .

[@callystafiles]

Cheyennes also grown up to be a gorgeous woman

[@marilynmiles9351]

So pleased to hear that

[@c.santos1685]

​@@callystafilestoo bad her man is a criminal who assaults elderly ladies

[@darkangelholz]

They are one of a small amount of couples that have stayed together all these years on and they now have 3 or 4 children. The majority from this show are now divorced like Josie and her husband Swanley. I was surprised because travellers don't tend to divorce unless it's serious like severe physical abuse etc because they take their vows very seriously but so many of those from here are divorced xxxx

[@amiedavis5257]

Is Violet Anne still with Larry?

[@tundrawomansays694]

Wow, I thought divorces were very rare among this community as well. Huh. I wonder what’s changed? Any ideas-particularly from the Traveller Community?

[@elouise5593]

@@tundrawomansays694 The men are allowed to beat their wives in that culture. I wouldn't be a part of that culture if they paid me!

[@darkangelholz]

@@amiedavis5257 I honestly don't know about them. With that one what concerned me was when her mam said if she came home she would be kicked straight back out and home to him and me made to try and make it work. I hope that depends on the situation. I know if that was me and my mam and I left my fiance, she would talk to me and ask if it was salvageable but she wouldn't ever force me to go back xxx

[@TigerheartedWolf]

​@@tundrawomansays694Even in these traditional communities times change. Good on them for leaving what are probably awful relationships.

[@human_bean_379]

It’s so crazy how they normalize marrying at such a young age. What’s crazier yet is that most states here in the US allow people to marry at 16 with parental consent and there is a handful of states that can marry younger!!! And some can marry if they’re pregnant or have 3 children

[@anthonyhassett]

You have to remember how many modern medical marvels we have. Penicillin, x-ray, disinfectant, food preservation, cheap food, clean water, better housing and clothing. In the Holy Roman empire the average age of mortality was 33 and Julius Caesar was 45 when he was assassinated. Then there is all the primary industries that are dangerous. We don't know how good we have it. Those social norms apply to back then

[@anthonyhassett]

You can get married in Spain at 14. These law apply to times when life expectancy was low and as soon as you could stand you worked. Childhood toys were based on real world industry (farming, construction, military, house keeping, school, shop, child minding). Now all children's toys are electronic and do not resemble the real world.

[@beckyharrelson5012]

But having babies at 13 unwed is what we have in US....

[@lillianbowen7408]

John threw her dog in the water! He's cruel and not worthy.

[@noellekeating7039]

I was just thinking the same thing

[@BellaIsMyBaby]

He is an absolute sociopath

[@nicolasimcox1748]

His controversial courtship technique would have got him a controversial kick in the ⚽️⚽️s as hard as i could - but even worse for me if he threw my dog into that water he would have followed with a big rock to the back of his Barnet 😡😡😡

[@NH-tb2sm]

This was more difficult than any other gypsy episode because of the cruelty of the fiance.

[@BabyDee72]

Tell them about the disabled person you beat, real classy. See the marriage never lasted and family helps your kids so their not permanently taken. Real nice

[@rl3977]

The abuse is horrible. These poor young women.

[@cryingbananajo]

Your profile pic, tells me everything I need to know about you.

[@Thelikebutton123]

Gypsyphobe

[@Nina-rn6pc]

@@cryingbananajoso does yours

[@cryingbananajo]

@@Nina-rn6pc yes I love banana jo.

[@cormega08109]

Love how she blinged out her ankle monitor lol.

[@brandyfelles3351]

I love seeing the little girl jumping in there dress. The Cheyenne came out of the room and started. Made me start to cry. Cuz at one point she was that little girl jumping around. I feel so bad for her not having her mom with her. I wish nothing but happiness and joy and love for the two of u.

[@rachaelmartin8221]

i feel so sorry for this and other girls like her ... grabbing is assault and thinking you have owner ship over a woman is beyond crazy.

[@SorelaLanguageSchool]

This was the case in this planet everywhere until not long ago....a little over a hundred years has passed

[@aHavenForTheLost]

Why is no one talking about the baby being held upside down for a picture? What in the heck was that?????

[@racheldemain1940]

I know!! 😢

[@BellaIsMyBaby]

I did! The guy is an absolute pyscho!

[@hermioneswinson]

The respect he had for her mother and involving her in their wedding day made me teary

[@comet1227]

A 16 and a 17 year old going on their honeymoon in Hawaii is bizarre. They can't even rent a car or drink legally.

[@han6061]

like normal 16 yo also don't do that my question is who paying this how are they so rich or are they just in debt?! 😭😭😭

[@comet1227]

@@han6061 the parents pay.

[@han6061]

@@comet1227 how 😭😭😭 the man is comming and going to jaill

[@comet1227]

@@han6061 Must have a "let's throw a ungodly wedding" fund they all contribute to.

[@laurafitzgerald8050]

Not only unable to rent a car can they even get a hotel room?

[@mness143]

This is the biggest eye roll I've had from watching KZbin! Complete ridiculousness! 👀🙄👀

[@teresacollins7763]

Cheyenne is so beautiful... yet I feel so badly for her. I wish her all the good luck and good will, I hope she's happy and enjoying her life...without the animal abuser.

[@bashleyrespectfully4562]

Love at first assault 😭😭😭

[@theunforgiven2885]

They were really dressed like they were going to the club for the babies christening 😆but they don't sware lol 😆

[@Lee-vj2gt]

So sad for the women born into this lifestyle, practically still in the Middle Ages in regards to how their treated.

[@sharon7351]

The thing that I choose to take away from shows like this, that offer us a view into the life of travelers - is the importance of family and their fight to save their culture and way of life.

[@DawnReneeDC]

They have always been my favorite couple from this franchise. She's extremely beautiful. It's terrible what happened to her mom

[@nevaehphilpott]

ya i cant imagen how she feels ab her mum but they are my fav couple too.

[@nerylhales1857]

Typical Irish trash

[@dianalauralopezdelgado6770]

Same

[@paulinenaisubi2800]

who?

[@elouise5593]

It's also terrible that she married into the family she did, just from seeing the comments here!

[@sassygirl7817]

It’s odd how the locals are always saying how they dislike the Gypsy, yet when they hear about a gypsy wedding they’re all lined up along the street as if they’re about to watch a parade

[@lynnm4664]

Neighbours probably want a good laugh. Brides all look like cheap tarts

[@deborahwingard776]

It's like the Circus or Freak Show!

[@anthonyhassett]

It's more like a train wreck in slow motion. It's awful, it's an eye sore you know it's going to be a disaster afterwards but you still call your cousin to tell her how bad it is because you can't look away.

[@vapor4324]

He literally SA her and then abused her dogs???

[@snowfish1121]

I got so pi$$ed off at the interviewer asking her questions about her mum while she was getting her eye makeup done! Excellent timing there, dipsh!t.

[@aysedarbandi4602]

One thing about travellers is they don't fake cry and act for the cameras. They authentically show themselves as they are (the disrespectful behaviour isn't acceptable obviously) but when the siblings are crying, you can tell they really love each other. The siblings have genuine love among them not the couples.

[@christinaweinmangeriatrics1689]

This family is not a good family at all. Most of them have committed horrible crimes.