On Body Image, Purity Culture & Coming Out (with Maddie Zahm)

If your New Year's resolution is to lose weight - maybe watch this episode first! Mal and singer-songwriter Maddie Zahm discuss a range of topics from purity culture in the church, to body image and weight loss fixation, and how all of these affected Maddie's journey to coming out and dating women. We hope this episode reminds you to be kind to yourself, to embrace your body, and that there will always be another donut.
Follow our guest Maddie at / maddiezahm and check out her tour dates at ⁠maddiezahmmusic.com/home/⁠
Please remember to subscribe, rate, review and share this podcast with your choir director! Follow the show at @madeitoutpodcast and follow Mal at @malglowenke

[@peggynulsen1365]

Switching "addictions" is a very common thing in recovery. Awareness is the best defense against going too far into a new problem. Be kind to yourself. Keep steering your life in a positive direction. You deserve the best life possible.

[@aldebear7]

I just want to say that this channel is my favorite wlw podcast. It's deep but lighthearted, sometimes witty, the host and guests have good chemistry, nobody talks over each other, it's educational, and feels more mature than a lot of other wlw podcasts that I watch/listen to (not that they're bad), even the new ones. Thank you so much!

[@emilyjones1]

The donut conversation is the first time I’ve ever heard anyone express that exact feeling - EAT THE DONJT THERE WILL BE MORE, Words can’t say how much I love this podcast

[@readingsbygenevieve8479]

I think that Maddie is absolutely amazing.

[@chack4845]

Finally. I was waiting for a new videos like a hungry child.

[@meganmainguy783]

I relate SO hard about being grateful that men weren’t into you when you were young. I never got attention or asked out growing up and it hurt for a long time but now I’m happy I focused on myself and my friends and didn’t have some teenage boy use me

[@nrsyzygy]

I have never considered myself to have eating issues, but this podcast put me on b l a s t. Disordered relationships with food have become almost a bonding topic between so many women, I’m sad so many of us have been through it

[@Sclafani_art_studio]

PCOS discussion in lgbt community and representation is very important, thank you for sharing

[@LamAnopro_]

Whats pcos

[@ChloeBourdos]

I love how she says “ I hear you“ instead of just agreeing!!

[@JennSarracenia]

Never heard of Maddie before and now I have a crush 😅

[@JennSarracenia]

Oh AND she’s an amazing artist? Damn girl I live in San Diego if you need another first date 😂

[@itsmedarienn93]

Welcome to the club ladies! 😎💖👩🏼‍❤️‍💋‍👩🏽👩🏼‍🤝‍👩🏽

[@angiehelton7758]

I came out to my parents that I was queer/bisexual/definitely not straight right after New Years... and its been very rough to say the least. My dad is full blown not speaking to me and my mom is trying to understand but very lost on the situation. This podcast has been helping immensely though. With listening to other experiences, and feeling safe and hopeful. Thank you Mal.

[@MadeItOutPodcast]

I’m so sorry to hear this- but good for you for following your truth. I’m glad we can be even a small source of comfort. We see you and ❤️ you.

[@Raddiebaddie]

Sending big hugs ~ do you have other people in your life who can support you in the meantime? 🫶

[@nikolettachaimeli3293]

Maddie you speak to every woman's soul, not just gay women, such a great ep guys! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[@textreme6]

What Maddie says, with such beauty and vulnerability, at the end ~minute 45/46 hit so hard - so true.

[@sydneykelly1635]

Bring her back in like a year pleaseeeee this was so good

[@stellafrazier73]

My girlfriend broke up with me on New Year’s Eve and this podcast is helping to take my mind off her and the situation. Thank you Made It Out! Keep it up! I LOVE your podcast

[@oliviailsamade]

So in awe of her honesty and vulnerability. I think so many girls are going to feel very seen and less alone by your words. also hilarious! Much love

[@Duygu-we3of]

I've been dealing with PCOS for 15 years now and I can understand and feel everything she says. It's almost like me sitting there and talking... feel hugged Maddie, we got this

[@GarbageIsland101]

I LOVE Maddie Zahm!! Her music has helped me put words to things I couldn’t before. For anyone who is struggling with food, I would highly recommend the book “Life Without ED”.

[@silkenaria]

Beautiful and emotional episode. Thank you. ❤

[@Saturdaymorningpoems]

Such an authentic, warm, intelligent conversation. Maddie and Mal thank you for being so real 💖 prima

[@vanessaj9299]

This one was really special. A nice mixture of advice, laughter, truth. Beautiful episode and podcast. Thank you sincerely for working and providing this content for us all ❤

[@rNeyshabur]

Also, Maddie, your music is so so stunning🤯 and ‘you might not like her’ stabs me in the heart in the best way possible

[@DebbyFlandes]

THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT LONGGGG VIDEOSSS 💞😭😭😭

[@ploy0708]

A fan from Thailand.. i love your laugh! :)

[@angelamantagas9315]

This is my favorite episode thus far. To the interviewee, thank you for your raw honesty and to the interviewer, thank you for this content. To you both, may God bless you with good mental and physical health and may he help you get stronger everyday during your journeys.

[@AnnaKS78]

I've watched every episode and i want to say I love so much the sunlight of your room. The perfect place and the perfect time to shoot. One of the reasons why all the episodes and conversations so soulful.

[@yeracontra]

What Mal said about her binge eating being a gauge for something being off is so relatable. I struggled with undiagnosed anxiety and OCD as a child which was diagnosed and somewhat treated in my early 20s. Now I'm nearly 30 and when my anixety is up or something is wrong, I can spot it quite quickly because I'm self aware enough to realise that my compulsions (checking) start popping up. Hard to shake off when I've grown up living like this.

[@corskap]

Discovered Maddie's music after this episode and I absolutely love it, 'You might not like her', 'Fat funny friend.' and 'Pocket Bible' are my personal favourites!

[@Shiningstars1011]

Loved this episode. Thank you for these important conversations!

[@emilykissell4015]

I just binge watched all of these and was so excited to watch this one last! All of them were so good, but being another ex church/trauma girlie, and relating so much to all her songs! So good and so funny. I just wish Mpls show didn't sell out so fricking fast, but i'm so proud it did, because you deserve it Maddie!

[@kaeleee]

My favorite episode so far Maddie is the most relatable queen ever 😂

[@caitlinomartin]

as someone who moved from safe haven oregon, it’s been a strange time moving here to boise idaho. thank you for telling your experience about growing up here!

[@mintchocolate8198]

I think the donut conversation just opened my eyes in a way never before. thank you for talking about it!

[@trishahlastawa1348]

This podcast is truly a gift ❤

[@ChanicePoetry]

You guys mentioned switching addictions. You should listen to We Can Do Hard Things Glennon episode on one year in recovery. It’s good maybe helpful!!! 💕

[@felicitas5091]

Wow this is intense, thank you so much for your honesty and vulnerability, it shows your immense strength ❤

[@kencoleman5007]

When I was growing up, repressive parenting deeply effected my social growth and realizing that I was trans. Similar to many stories on this channel, my church became most of my social life (at an all boys high school, there were few people that I could relate to). I did so well on my catechism test (growing up Catholic), that my teacher paused while grading the tests snd asked me to be a peer minister for middle school students. 20 years later, I'm transitioning, and practicing a variety of occult, new age, ancient mystical practices outside the Abrahamic sphere.

[@ML-uu5ik]

SO FREAKING EXCITED TO SEE MADDIE ON THE POD

[@katialysincle]

This episode made me cry, its so beautiful when you can relate to someone and feel it. I love her, she’s amazing!

[@peterb1861]

I was married to family of social workers and psychiatrists, and they were just as twisted as the rest of us!

[@savingJobutupaki]

I am soooo glad you invited Maddie on the show. She is now my favorite artist. I feel everything she says. I'm that church girl who's coming out of her shell. Liberation is here and all I want to do is cry.

[@TheresaGelso]

The struggle is so real! It hit home for me Maddie when you said your weight kept men at bay. I still use weight as a tool so relationship prospects stay at bay ❤

[@sweetheartxox10]

Did the app forget to update ?? Lmaooo this was so good

[@junevertucci3420]

Another awesome episode. Some of the best and most important conversations online are coming out of this podcast.

[@CandiceLikes]

Maddie needs to read the book, Fast Like a Girl. Talks about PCOS

[@PeachNEPTR]

This might be the most relatable conversation on binge eating I’ve ever heard. Thank you so much. Meanwhile a fun quote from the band Idles and their song “Television,” “If someone talked to you, the way you do to you, I’d put their teeth through, love yourself.”

[@jessj5907]

This podcast was so fantastic! I appreciate the vulnerability. It’s really brave.

[@hiportugal]

thank you so much! (i produce the show hehe) any chance we could ask you to write us a real quick review on Apple Podcasts? Helps us so much so we can keep making episodes!

[@dewleneafrica5779]

Such a great convo. Thank you for the vulnerability! 🙌🏾

[@rNeyshabur]

This episode was fantastic!!!

[@lesliepless2939]

Simply irrepressible. Ty!

[@JulesLern]

Thank you again for such a great episode!! I felt so seen by my PCOS sister Maddie💗💗

[@JosieDuncanSong]

Loving this podcast from Scotland 💙 this was a beautiful episode, very relatable x

[@indegrrees]

Great conversation

[@kristiemars7747]

Thank you.

[@TheresaGelso]

I LOVE your smile!

[@mojai11]

Food like shelter is SUCH a basic need and the notion of lack/loss of either would be the main causes of psychological sufferings for most people.😂 I have never had weight issues and my relationship with food is not toxic but I know that I am different than others, because eating is just a means to an end. I don’t enjoy food most of the time and so I don’t need to seek that”high” from food.

[@TheEmpressJade]

Discovered Maddie‘s music through this podcast and I am so glad I did. Looked at her tour dates and since I was going to be in LA for a trip I decided I wanted to go to the LA show and I was beyond blown away. Her show is exactly like she described it… It was a healing experience for me. Maddie, if you ever read this thank you for your music and sharing your experiences with the world through your gift of an incredible voice and talent. For everyone else, do yourself a favor and get tickets to one of her shows. She will be about 5 hours away from me in May and I am already thinking about getting tickets to see that show because the experience was amazing. Thank you Mal for creating this podcast and having such amazing guests on this show.

[@elissajo3671]

Fantastic once again!! So good!!

[@chloes228]

It’s a different font lmaoooooo that got me I needed this

[@savingJobutupaki]

OMG! I use to sing at church too. I led worship and was in choir.

[@christiearakelian7778]

So glad I found this podcast. I have loved every episode. Having a queer space to talk about all of this is beyond! Thank you!

[@denea28]

This conversation resonates so much! Thank you for this!

[@kimboyd6802]

One of my top favorite podcast❤❤❤…..always keeps me entertained and also thought provoking…keep it up Mal!

[@billyhorr7126]

She is 100% vibrant and I promise u..one day u will be a great mom...#MomVibes❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@saraxadam3659]

what a fascinating conversation... and you're such a good host girl

[@savingJobutupaki]

I think Mal is so pretty. I can look at her face forever.

[@paryaseo9036]

Wow the talks about obssesed with loosing wieght as a north star, made me a aha moment Thank you so much

[@paryaseo9036]

23:46 the solution is being awakened to ur true self As Mooji baba says When we forgot that we are observer not the person, we have to obssesed with sth in life, it can be obssesed with having a goal as a healthy one or unhealthy like what u said But after awakening all the obssestions goes away because each moment makes u feel so content that u use and do everything in a balanced way

[@annescholten9313]

Powerful conversation ❤❤❤

[@dawnlowe9524]

Loved this episode so much very relatable and thanks to Maddie for being so open and honest

[@juliannekivlin1987]

This was such a great podcast that was so vulnerable and raw and honest. Thank you both for the transparency and the insight that you both shared with ED and body image ❤️ !

[@luckygardeniasdashboardcon9214]

Great discussion!

[@donnasheehan3703]

Such an insightful interview.

[@wendella6920]

Maddie your music is so relatable. Your beautiful just the way you are. Really enjoy this program.

[@marisaarmendariz2600]

Sooooo goooooood

[@deezgrafix]

I LOVE this podcast. As someone who is older, but only out for a decade or so, this show is really awesome. Keep up the great content, Mal! Also, can’t wait to listen to Maddie’s music ❤

[@marleykotylak1194]

MADDIE MY LOVE

[@TheInvestorsJourney-dz5zf]

I love the authenticity that this podcast showcases. I’m GenX and y’all are killing it. I wish I had this content around when I was younger…and I’m straight!! 😂 The stories are about coming out with sexuality but I feel like these lessons can be applied to so many different life experiences. The transparency and vulnerability is awesome. Also love the humor. Rock on 🤘

[@wedobegabbin]

"i had chacos" LOL

[@Seia894]

The toxicity in dating is soo relatable.

[@amandacribb7595]

coming from self esteem issues I directed my thoughts from a saying that I came up with which I tell myself "I KNW THAT IM NOT PAGENT MATERIAL BUT IM NOT TRAILER PARK TRASH EITHER SO I HAVE ALL THAT ROOM TO LOVE MYSELF " I knw I would like to have drinks with ya maddie

[@sarahhromin675]

I’m realizing this channel has no ads … how?!

[@davesgoldenduck6066]

There is some cartoons that are fantastic

[@savingJobutupaki]

I think I just met my twin flame - Maddie Zahm.

[@helenlawson8426]

The line about there being so much rainbow shit on display it was borderline homophobic, had me in much needed hysterics.😂 Such an important discussion on body image and another brilliant episode. x I was 41 when I had my nose straightened out, it was hard to resist everything else that was on offer and this is in the UK. Luckily I was old enough to know I'm not much of a looker and be happy with that. Having said that I'm in my fifties now and there's a temptation to sort the bags under my eyes.

[@katherinecolbert4460]

To the host: please take a bit of a note. When a guest shares something new with them, take a moment to process that answer and give a real follow-up. Listen before you ask. Maddie was so real and honest. She didn't hold back in any way. As a host, you need to fuel her story and respond with compassion instead of your own trauma dump. Your story (which is very important and valid) seemed to invalidate your guests' experience. I want to help not hurt. I hope to not hurt you.

[@marthareis5873]

I didn't get that sense, I thought these two understood each other.

[@richpet8165]

Lily Sing on the show please

[@maddyyie699]

the only solution I know of is to be poor! if you don’t have money to fix it it solves the problem! that’s why I haven’t done anything yet LOL

[@eyesnme]

Love the podcast not so keen on the use of queer not so cool

[@Blue-pb7kz]

46:11 Not to be the annoying PC person, but please don't use the word "gypped"! The reason in means being cheated of is that it comes from the word "g*psy", which is an inaccurate and offensive way to talk about Romani people and is based on harmful stereotypes of them. Wasn't expecting to hear it here, but I guess lots of people don't know.

[@mckenziecurtis3500]

I don’t think her teeth look bad. Did I miss something ?

[@maddiesilina3833]

My favorite episode so far! Beautiful women with beautiful hearts! 😍🥰