On Unconventional Feminism and the Modern Fairly Tale: The Beauty of Enchanted

[@austinrenteria]

What I love about this movie is that it's pretty much a Disney princess coming into our world. And that there is SO MANY Disney references.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I know this movie is so fun!

[@adrianaheiler9794]

I love how they show that both of the potential significant others are decent people too! I think it was Ananda the Jedi who said in a recent video of hers how those rom coms take the easy way by making the protagonists original partner a jerk so that you think 'duh, of course the other one is the better choice!' But here you have 4 adorable, decent people who are just better matched with another person than who they had planned to marry. The 'running up the hill singing' scene: it HAS to be Julie Andrews in Sound of Music who did it first! She always loves to tell the story in interviews how the shot was filmed from a helicopter and it was a real challenge to get it close enough to film her properly, yet far enough to stop the force of the rotor blades to make Julie face plant into the grass (which apparently happened more than once!)

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Bless that woman for being an icon...and yeah I love how Edward and Nancy are great and bring out the best in each other.

[@wuvcookies247]

I just rewatched this movie a couple days ago for the first time in probably a decade. I don't know how I could have forgot how cute it is. Also I will say as someone who sews, the fact that they made her wedding dress overnight and it would've all been handsewn is impressive as hell. I want a team of woodland creatures to help me sew too lol

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

right?? I sew and though I actually love to sew by hand it takes so long I need chipmunks to help me

[@wuvcookies247]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff agreed. and I just realized, are we supposed to believe she cut and hand sewed that curtain dress in the time it took Robert to run down to the street and back?? because I'm pretty sure the curtains were intact while she's cleaning the apartment. the math ain't mathing 😆

[@graceskalniak4835]

That Red Riding Hood quote gave off major Addams Family vibes...

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I know! I'd love to see the Addams family meet Giselle. They would be mutually fascinated with each other.

[@graceskalniak4835]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff I want her to meet Buddy the Elf…

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@graceskalniak4835 me too! and I want jovie and robert to meet.

[@noahhutchins5164]

Enchanted is honestly so fucking good and it's a crime that it's fairly underrated. Like you said, it handles feminism in such a beautifully organic way that doesn't feel it's beating its message into your brain with a baseball bat. Unfortunately, I feel this is also why people forget about how well it handles its subject matter. Frozen is a bit more in your face of showing you how ridiculous some of Disney tropes can be. It's constantly pointing out that women don't always need to be saved, love at first sight isn't real, etc. While these are good messages, the execution is just too much. On the other hand, Enchanted handles these topics better by showing not one way of looking at these topics is right. Robert is more realistic to his approach on love, but in return he's unable to be swept away with the magic of romance. On the other hand, Giselle is all encompassed in the magic of love that she doesn't realize love is more than sunshine and rainbows. They are a great pair because they both learn from each other. Thus, they still hold onto who they are and what they believe, but have changed them for the better. Side note, James Marsden is so underrated and it's a crime he's not in more. He's easily one of the funniest characters in the movie. His fist bite when he hears Giselle in Central Park is so adorably hilarious

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I agree with all of this! They did the message justice with great execution and talent of an amazing cast. I honestly want more movies like this 💛

[@noahhutchins5164]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on Disenchanted. I've heard a lot of negative things, but I honestly enjoyed it and feel it acts as a natural extension of the original

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@noahhutchins5164 yeah I just finished recording the video actually!

[@Tofx11]

Disenchanted doesn’t leave Idina on the singing sidelines. They give her some jams in the new one.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I know! I just finished the video and she had some bangers 😳

[@alexanderklepp]

I love Enchanted! As a Disney fan, I loved the Easter eggs that they put in but what really made me love is the idea of putting a little bit more optimism in the cynical real world. Something that is very needed nowadays. I also love the songs from Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz. If I ever get the chance to meet Alan Menken, I'd love to tell him how much he made my childhood special and magical.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Agreed, I love how Disney took it's formula and turned it on its head without making it cynical for a modern audience.

[@monikorasort]

This movie scared me so much because of the scene where she met the homeless guy. Like, that gave me legit nightmares

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Oh no!!! I found the scene on the empire state building scary because I don't do well with heights.

[@Thomperfan]

7:24 That's true. Giselle and Buddy were both raised in magical pixie dream worlds, are unrelentingly positive and happy, and fell in love with cynical, down-to-earth people.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Honestly I think they'd be besties and Jovie and Robert could swap notes on how crazy their lives got...someone draw that.

[@Thomperfan]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Pretty please. 🙏🏾😁

[@saiyasha848]

I always loved nancy. When it comes to feminism, it is often one side "We don't need to stand in the kitchen anymore" "We don't need to be housewifes and mothers to feel fulfilled" "We don't need a man" And that is true, we shouldn't be _forced_ to need that. But I for instance am a very happy married woman, who is mostly at home and wishing deeply to start a family with my husband, who is the major breadwinner in our relationship. If you look at it from the outside, it looks extremely oldfashioned, but I _chose_ this life and it makes me incredibely happy. And I think _that_ is what it is all about. Being able to chose _whatever_ path makes you happy, be that domestic, careerdrivem, independent, in a relationship... it doesn't matter what role you fill, as long as _you_ chose the role

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

"It doesn't matter what role you fill, as long as you chose the role." 💛 That's the best way I've heard it put.

[@andrewshelly211]

The late 2000s were a time when I thought almost all recent Disney movies were 'girly movies', so I never watched them until more recent years (including this one). I hate my pre-teen self for thinking that cause as an adult, I love them. I do remember when this came out, the DISASTER MOVIE came out and of course, they parodied Giselle. I always remember her getting hit by a car and thinking that was the funniest thing in the world because of how I felt about Disney movies at that time. Of course as an adult, I realise that all of those 'Parody Movies' are the dumbest movies in the world.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Even as a girl I felt like girl stuff was lesser than so I don't think it's any of our younger selves fault. 💛 The funny thing about the disaster movie thing is that this movie is already a parody...so they can't really parody it again. It's just lazy 😅

[@basileusofstupidonia6462]

Disney Princesses learn about relationships from Focus on the Family eh? I LOLed so hard at that one!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I'm so sorry I just had to 😅

[@THATGuy5654]

This movie walked so that the Smurfs Movie could _fly._ (I only felt confident making that joke because I'm pretty sure you can't afford an assassin.)

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Now I just want to rewatch the smurfs movie honestly 😂

[@audramcdonaldapologist3676]

When Robert says about the dream “I think I’m still in one” when Giselle gets out of the shower, could be reference to uhm nocturnal emissions also Happy Working Song is also a reference to whistle while you work

[@citydweller99]

This was made in 2007 so it makes sense the message is more subtle..and it was also showing feminism instead of just proclaiming it was a feminist movie. Had this been made in 2022, the message would have diluted the fun and charm Lastly Susan Sarandon was made to be a villianess in a movie...to go from sweet Janet in Rocky Horror to this role..just shows how versatile she is as a performer

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Agreed! When I watch Susan in this movie I just think about how Tim Curry must be proud of her because she's bringing the camp villain to life perfectly.

[@citydweller99]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff and the thing is that she isn't over the top. She's campy, yet still has a sinister vibe that makes her scary. Contrast that with Disenchanted and Maya Randolph being too campy to be taken seriously.

[@siddiqsmouse5004]

"It's chewing off her face!!" TAKES ME OUT EVERYTIME!! 🤣🤣😂

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

It's so funny 😸

[@808natee]

since you mentioned elf,i would love to see you tackle that for christmas!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I know it's a favorite of mine! I don't know if I'll be able to before Christmas with all the other videos I have planned but hopefully it happens in the future. 😃

[@ninjaman1986]

Morgan would have looked at the billboard poster for Ms. Marvel on the freeway and thought it actually was a person up there. Look it up. Also, I'm pretty sure that scene with the cockroaches coming out of the tub would have made me nope right the heck out of the theater.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

You're totally right! And yeah i love rats and the pigeons are fine but I draw the line at cockroaches.

[@shelbymckinney8888]

God, I love this movie! Also, Judy Kuhn, the single mom Edward meets at the apartment, is actually Pocahantas singing voice (speaking is done indigenous actress Irene Bedard). I think you already knew that but I wanted to point it out for those who didn't. Also love the costume design in this film.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Thank you for pointing this out! I'm kicking myself for not making the distinction.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Actually I don't think they are. I could be wrong but I think they wanted the voices of Cinderella and Aurora but couldn't get them

[@shelbymckinney8888]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff No problem. These easter eggs are just awesome to find. Can't wait till you get to the sequal.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@shelbymckinney8888 filming the sequel vid tonight I'm so excited!

[@patrickmgaddis]

Did you also notice the dress shop where she and Morgan go is called Calypso? Does that ring a bell? A bell on a pirate ship?

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Ahhh! And the second pirates movie had just come out the year before!

[@patrickmgaddis]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff And the third had come out a few months before.

[@bootsthecat6718]

I'm not sure how many significant others would really appreciate paying to go to an event and having the forced "dance with someone you didn't come with" event come up

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah it's definitely a plot device but I guess it happens at some of those fancy ball type dance because traditionally balls were about meeting new people and it was considered rude to dance with just one person all night 🤷‍♀️

[@PaulonotPaul8]

I feel the need to empathize with all trolls (it's a tough life ya know). This movie seems way too happy for me lol. You're spot on in regards to GOT's ending. That dress reminds of Homer's muumuu that I want. E tu ficas muito bonita com esse vestido 🐱

[@PaulonotPaul8]

Here's that Scott Stirling video in case you've never seen it kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnecm4uPhK1lmZI

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Awww no 😅 the thing I like about this movie is that it roasts Disney but also isn't "too cool" for Disney. It's pretty adorable. I'll check out that video for sure!

[@PaulonotPaul8]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff I'll watch the movie when I'm not in a grinchy mood.

[@samih5916]

I've never heard of this film before until now and I think it looks incredible plus having it set in New York City makes it even better. Also I was 13 when this was released from cinemas and although I've never seen Patrick Dempsey in it, I've seen another movie of his that was released the same year as Enchanted and that's Freedom Writers. Another Disney live action musical movie you should react to in future Avery is Newsies which is actually really good.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah Dempsey was huge at this time and basically the king of romantic comedies. He's also in made of honor and sweet home Alabama. I'll definitely cover newsies at some point because I've never seen it but it looks great.

[@samih5916]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff yeah he sure is plus there was another film he was in that I've seen in the late 1980s and that's Can't Buy Me Love. You'll definitely love Newsies plus it had one of the people from To Kill A Mockingbird.

[@moonlighthowling666]

your dress makes me think of an arizona can and i love it so much

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Haha, thanks! I love that 😍

[@bootsthecat6718]

Great, now I have to look up this song and play it on repeat far too many times

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

This one has a great soundtrack...it's just fun!

[@Aisha_Luv]

Personally, I don’t think heavy handed equals bad. I feel like a lot of movies where their message on their sleeve, and I don’t mind it. But I see how this more subtle approach can be more appealing.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah I definitely don't mind the heavy handed approach done right. I just like stuff like this too where it feels like they trust me to get it.

[@jeneehaviland5661]

100% agree with the game of thrones opinion

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

THANK YOU!

[@EthanDolan61101]

The Guy who played Nathaniel is named Timothy Spall and he was best known for starring in the 1980s British Drama, Auf Wiedersehen Pet.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yes! Sorry to forget his name he's a great actor.

[@EthanDolan61101]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff That's OK, great video by the way.

[@WishfulThinkingArt]

I freaking LOVE this movie! It gives me such happy vibes every time I watch it! I’m a sucker for classic fairy tale Disney movies, and this pretty much ticks off every box for me! I might even call it my favorite movie in general! ❤️❤️

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

It's definitely a favorite for me! Pacing, writing, theme...it's all done so well and doesn't feel like it's pandering.

[@crazyhannahcreations9806]

Ahh I love Enchanted! It’s a underrated film! One of my fave films! I love spotting any of the Easter eggs! One of Easter eggs if you know the two ladies that were commenting of what they think the balls show. Those two ladies were the original voice actresses of Cinderella, and Sleeping Beauty (Aurora). It’s such a fun loving film. And now i may have the songs stuck in my head. XD

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I love this movie with all my heart. 💛 It's just super fun!

[@tristanpetty7173]

Actually, Judy Kuhn was the singing voice of Pocahontas. Her speaking voice was provided by Irene Bedard. Close enough though. Also Nancy's last name is Tremaine in reference to Cinderella's stepmother and the newscaster's name is Mary Ilene Casselotti referencing Mary Costa, Illene Woods and Adriana Casselotti who voiced Aurora, Cinderella and Snow White respectfully. Yeah I'm such a geek. Side note: 51:02 But Indina, I thought you can't marry a man you just met. 😂

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

True! I should've mentioned that she was the singing voice specifically. I knew about Nancy's last name but not the reporter and I love that. Lol, I've been laughing about that since frozen came out. 😂

[@tristanpetty7173]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Also, with what you said about Frozen. I think even before that film and Enchanted, Disney had already done good at presenting developing relationships like with Belle and Beast. I feel because Frozen has a tendency to SPELL! EVERYTHING! GODDAMN! OUT!, the internet and some people acted like it was the first Disney film to do that. That and it really isn't the first Disney film to explore sister relationships (Lilo and Stitch says "Hi.")

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@tristanpetty7173 I'm so glad you brought up lilo and stitch because david and nani are goals and everyone skips over them.

[@tristanpetty7173]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Oh I forgot to mention another film that plays on the TV in the hotel is Fun and Fancy Free. It's the clip with the guy comforting the puppet while narrating Mickey and the Beanstalk. You can also hear Dumbo in the background in that same clip.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@tristanpetty7173 that's so cute I didn't know that!

[@pokemaniac05]

Ahh yes Enchanted, i've seen it a few times on TV when it showed up and i do have a fun time watching it when i'm in the mood. I haven't seen Disenchanted because again i have Disney+ (i wasn't really planning getting it anyway, but i'll enjoy on the upcoming commentary vid on it too) I already so much in my plate to do in terms of games on the Switch, 3DS, Wii U & older Nintendo systems (the last 2 i can do whatever), i have a lot of oldie Australian Kids TV & movies as well as newer ones (which i hope they get commentary vids later).

[@MisterH37]

I haven't watched the video all the way through yet, I just wanted to comment how amazing you look in that dress. 🤩

[@MisterH37]

I always loved that moment when his romantic side lets Giselle sleep on the couch, but his sensible, responsible Dad side then insists his daughter stay in his room where he can protect her, just in case. That's a good mix for a person to have.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Thank you so much! I know, Robert is an underrated dude in Disney history. I like how he doesn't have to learn to be close to his daughter like most movie dads but instead learns to heal his own trauma so he doesn't pass it down to her.

[@darthsidious47]

This is a very good film. I really like this twist on a classic Disney fairytale. All the actors are fantastic. My only complaint is that I wish we had seen Queen Narissa in live action for longer because Susan Sarandon gives it her all in those scenes and it is so much fun to watch. How the heck has James Marsden not aged in 15 years. Also who the heck is Narsissa? I'm pretty sure her name is Narissa.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Haha, yes it's narrissa I can never remember how to say it. And yeah Susan steals the show and I love that she got to be the evil queen since in her early career she was always typecast as the innocent princess type.

[@darthsidious47]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff oh yeah. You can tell she had so much fun being evil and over the top. I had a lot of fun being Mr. Potter in It's a Wonderful Life my Junior year of highschool. He wasn't as over the top, he did have some random outbursts. He was cunning, manipulative, and quite mean at times which was really fun to play.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@darthsidious47 oooh that's a good character! Villains are always the most fun because they don't play by the rules.

[@darthsidious47]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff yeah

[@EiskoParris]

Love that

[@EiskoParris]

Yeah

[@Disney65Fan]

Love this film

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Same! Love your pfp. 💛

[@spzpspsopwpwpwnewso2932]

Can you do Chicago 2002 please

[@spzpspsopwpwpwnewso2932]

Yes

[@nevetstrevel4711]

Hey. I successfully resisted saying first. I'm so proud of myself. I have very little accomplishments in my life.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Haha, I'm very proud of you! ( But I'm sure you have lots of accomplishments. ☺️

[@PaulonotPaul8]

Count me on that list of little accomplishments in life 🙃

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@PaulonotPaul8 I bet you have lots of accomplishments that you just don't realize. 🙂

[@PaulonotPaul8]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Sure my accomplishments so far are not dying, and changing my youtube handle so I don't appear to a rando bot.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@PaulonotPaul8 nah if you were a rando bot your handle would be like all the *ahem* unwanted guests we get on live :D

[@Dancer_333]

When you realize Julie Anders is Mary Poppins

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

She's a queen

[@AntonWongVideo]

Nathaniel ditched her and is now on that sigma grindset! lol But yeah, these looks like a very cute movie and big ups to the whole cast and casting director cuz even some of the small roles like the constuction worker were great!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah it's just a movie where they spent so much time on tiny details and my filmmaker brain loves it.

[@toshi9742]

Giselle and Buddy the Elf? I’d ship it.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Haha, I think they'd just be platonic besties running around New York while Robert and Jovie just become drinking pals while talking about how weird their life is.

[@toshi9742]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff true

[@Thomperfan]

13:53 You sound like Bert.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

😂😂🙃

[@izozospwppqpqqpnewso6991]

19:06

[@izozospwppqpqqpnewso6991]

Yes

[@lavendercatsstout7023]

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