Only A Man Can 'Identify' As A Trans Woman - Helen Joyce (4K) | heretics. 15

Helen Joyce is an Irish journalist and critic of the transgender rights movement. She tells Andrew Gold on Heretics podcast why it’s so dangerous to promote the extreme ends of the trans or gender ideology. Make sure to catch my interviews on the same theme with Richard Dawkins and Graham Linehan. #heretics #genderidentity #cancelculture
Helen's Links:
/ hjoycegender
www.thehelenjoyce.com/
Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality - www.amazon.co.uk/Trans-When-I...
Chapters:
0:00 Highlights
0:54 How we started pretending sex isn’t binary
2:54 The fallacy of the arc of justice
4:24 Helen Joyce’s origin story
6:34 Andrew’s problem with ‘peaked’
8:54 How many people are really intersex
11:09 CheekyMonkey69 vs Richard Dawkins
12:54 Intersex Irrelevance
15:54 Matt Walsh and Crying Chickens
16:49 Ted Chiang & 2+2=5
19:44 Why it matters
20:54 The Language Evolution Fallacy
23:14 Andrew’s Desire to be a Woman
24:54 Why men are stronger
28:54 Myth that everyone is born female
30:14 The Problem with Non-Binary
32:24 Trans Activists Often Attack Looks
33:54 Helen Joyce Accused of Anti-Semitism
36:34 Alliance of Atheists (Dawkins) & Religious (Jordan Peterson)
38:54 Evangelical Christians to Help End This
40:54 Why Trans Activists Get Us Wrong
43:54 Peter Tatchell’s Madness
45:54 Autogynephilia (Self-Attraction)
48:54 Spicy Straight (Blue Hair)
50:54 Why not just be kind
57:04 We have laws for extremes
1:00:04 The Other Side Won’t Debate
1:05:14 A Heretic You Admire
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[@andrewgoldheretics]

Hope you enjoy this one - if you do, hit like and subscribe (only 20% of my viewers are subbed!)

[@Aengus42]

Love Helen to bits! You're right Andrew, not to be missed!

[@rgghjs9270]

Ooh another spotlight on a transphobe. You do know we're known as "terf island" over here? Why are you aiding this nationwide bullying campaign?

[@jasontaylor6779]

I missed it. You know I will watch.

[@mazoomska]

Love Helen! She's one of my favourite people to listen to on this topic - i've learned so much from her.

[@laurabambam5342]

Helen is one of the greatest and knows her stuff

[@rosshonniball5345]

Helen : “Any man who oversteps women's boundaries by coming in to women's spaces has already demonstrated he doesn’t care about women's boundaries. He is exactly the worst sort of man to be in there. “ Great point among many others. Thank you Helen.

[@sluggygrumble5164]

This has been my intuition for a long time. People are staggeringly naive.

[@Bluegrl77]

@@sluggygrumble5164 me too. At first, I gave people, the benefit of the doubt… now… I think, it’s simple as “IDGF”.

[@kellysouter4381]

She's very eloquent 😊

[@bogarte7185]

'Good men stay out so bad men stand out'

[@cindihunter9119]

These ideas are just that, IDEAS! This has been another attempt on how crAzy our mental state is!! 😮

[@JoTracy]

Heart surgeons will tell you there is a big difference in the physiology between male and female hearts

[@pathacker4963]

I have had such a discussion with a cardiac surgeon. He much preferred doing surgery on males.

[@theresas740]

Symptoms of heart attack are very different in women as well. Lab values vary between men and women, disease risks vary between men and women, baby girls survive at higher rates than baby boys. Differences are inherent, significant and real.

[@beewest5704]

Medications & anesthesia also metabolized different in males than females.

[@savannalilly6547]

In college, I took an entire class about women's health outcomes. The whole thing was about the the areas in biology, health and wellness where women were different from men. I can't even imagine what they would be teaching in that class now.

[@rw9207]

That's hormonal honey.. it's not mystical. There are currently zero cases of a Trans-women ever attacking a Cis-women in a public bathroom ever... They aren't dangerous. Honestly Cis-women on Cis-women violence, way outstrips Trans-folk. You would probably be safer in a room full of Trans-women than anyone else!

[@christinaludes3823]

My kids started saying mom your thinking about this way to much, and I said no someone hasn't thought about this enough.

[@dinosaurwoman]

I cannot imagine being a woman who has been sexually violated and then going somewhere to recover and men dressed as women are there. It would be beyond horrible. And it's absolute misogyny and emotional abuse.

[@lampb0obs]

Well most normal people don't see biological men who have transitioned to become women as a man dressed as a woman. most of us are pretty normal and are fine with people doing what works for them. As a sexual assault survivor, anyone who wants to dispose of their masculinity is AOK with me. imagine not empathizing with someone who has gone through sexual trauma

[@oekmama]

@@lampb0obssomeone who “disposes of their masculinity” is very puzzling and slightly scary to me. And oddly quite an aggressively testosterone-led thing to demand to be let into women’s spaces.

[@marthamydear5869]

Made me cry to think about it. Horrendous.

[@krustycreme1093]

​@@lampb0obs Actually "most normal people" know exactly that a transwoman is a male! You can't BE a transwoman if you are not male! What most people do not realise hwever is that most transwomen (about 95% of them) retain their penis and have no intention of removing it. A costume does not make you a female. Asserting you are one, does not make you a female. You're nothing like a female. Humans clock in an instant of glancing at an approaching person whether they are male or female. We need to be able to do that for our survival. Most of the time we get it right, and occassionally someone is able to disguise them self enough to confuse some people, but that just makes for a convincing costume. You're still the same sex you always were. Women have the right to single sex spaces under law and if you need rape crisis shelters, then campaign for some to be set up to cater to you. Insisting on barging into traumatised womens spaces and forcing those women to keep quiet and accept your presence under threat of expulsion from a crucial shelter program is purely abusive behaviour- behaviour they have probably been subjected to many times throughout their life. Women do not exist to affirm you.

[@InessaGold]

And when in sport the ex-man has competition with woman, or, the ex-woman has competition with man.. So.. we can know, who win or not.

[@voices_vary]

She makes a great point about transgenderism basically being misogynistic. I find that the transgender community has pigeonholed women into a very narrow description as if women wear pink and flip out over a spider! It sets feminism back decades and decades. I resent that.

[@gsomethingsomething2658]

_"women wear pink and flip out over a spider!"_ - To be fair, that _is_ most women, especially regarding spiders.

[@tanstoptips1376]

It is also a very male thing to to flip over spiders. Quit the misogyny. 🙄😚

[@hailingpearl]

I don't wear pink and love spiders. 🙄!

[@tanyasmith2898]

@@gsomethingsomething2658 I know plenty of men who are as fearfully of spiders, it's a basic instinct.

[@yvonnewalesuk8035]

@@hailingpearl Me too.

[@Littlebirdie00]

She’s absolutely right in being on the right side of history. Imagine your elderly mother or grandmother needs assistance, showering or wiping or putting a bra on and she’s rather conservative or religious, or just fairly normal and decent, requests a woman and a male carer, a man in a frock comes to look after her intimate needs. She is beyond uncomfortable, for what to play into some mans delusions? Because he isn’t comfortable in his own skin, and women have to give up their own normal level of boundaries to appease him? Seriously, how sick and abusive is that, to expect a women to give up her basic rights. Speak up. Because by not speaking up you are allowing this kind of abuse on women’s rights. Speak up and let your voice be heard.

[@leannemerryweather6855]

I'm with you every step of the way 🙏

[@singingbeach]

Bravo.

[@ziggystardusk6629]

The older you get, the more you realize that sex is baked through to every cell, as she put it. As you age, you learn that women are more susceptible to certain age related diseases, for example. Of course, there is also prostate cancer, etc. that men have to be aware of.

[@cyrusmagnus]

If you do a bit more research, you'll find out that what's "baked" into the cell is an adaptation to the level of sex hormones in the body. That's why the body changes if you go on HRT, because the cells are pluripotent. They're happy to exhibit male or female tendencies, based on the instructions provided by hormone levels.

[@jett888]

it's all about Ectodermal, mesodermal, Endodermal. The prostate is to men what the breast is to women. (mind wise)

[@TheMensRea]

Yes. And imagine my horror and disgust when recently I discovered a breast cancer charity was changing their language to support 'chest' cancer. The number of men having breast cancer is less than 2%. A woman will never develop prostate cancer. So, they're even trying to hijack predominantly female illness. The mind boggles.

[@Livelovelaugh4201]

I was taking a woman’s workshop last summer. My youngest daughter was 9. Every day was a different topic. One day it was LGBTQ and we had a guest speaker. This guest speaker was F to M trans and the owner of a place called out loud. Out loud is a place for kids to hang out and feel safe. Many vulnerable children go there. I thought it was great! Until I met the owner and ask him a question. His answer left me in shock. I had told him that my 9 year old came home from school one day and told me she didn’t know if she was a boy or a girl. I told her that she is à girl but can dress how ever she wants. If you want to dress boyish some days and girlish some days she could do that. I told her that who she is perfect. . So I told this guest speaker what my response to my daughter was and ask if I had answered her correctly in his view. He said that I should have her see a dr and possibly put her on puberty blockers!! What I’m the actual F*ck?! I was flabbergasted and lost all respect for him. And now I fear for all kids who go to him for advice :( by the way, my daughter loves to do girly things. She is very et feminine. If I was a stupid parent I would have followed the advice I was given by someone with an agenda. My daughter would probably still be confused a year later. She’s fine now and all she needed to know what that she was loved and could express herself in her choice of clothes anytime. She sometimes will wear “boyish” clothes but not often.

[@sarahtonin4649]

What you said to your daughter was correct, and simple common sense. The response of this LGBTQRXYZ "expert" was typical of the cult of gender ideology. They are absolutely obsessed with changing kids' sex, almost like it's a fetish -- and for some of them it actually is. (See The WPATH Files.) I believe that in a decade or two "gender affirmative care" will be seen in the same light in which we now see lobotomy.

[@judithmackay7158]

I have 3 daughters, all in their 40s now, they all liked to dress in both boyish and girly things, but mostly boyish because they found them more comfortable, the oldest ones never got playing with dolls, the other two did but not in a girly way, most of their friends were the same, back then there that they were anything other than girls wouldn't have even been considered. I had a friend that was a male to female transgender, surgery and everything later in life, she was great but never considered herself anything other than transgender, never would she have considered that she had actually changed sex and was a biological female as some do now.

[@johngilmore697]

BORING!

[@hartmaahart4828]

People like that should be barred from working with children…

[@youtubeyoutube936]

Live love. You are totally right. If she said she identified as a dog and felt sick he would probably have advised that you take her to a vet.

[@stirlingoscar736]

The tide is turning on this doublespeak. An anecdote, I just went into the toilets at an international airport and a man was using them. He was washing his hands, presumably after being in a cubicle, and a group of young women told him to get out, these are women’s toilets. These women were in their early 20s. The kool aid isn’t working.

[@ThundermansThunder]

How I pray that it continues to fail! This transgender insanity needs to end!

[@scorptrio8231]

So you're a bigot. Thanks for admitting it. Bigots like you will get exactly what they deserve.

[@SuperLifestream]

Did you know that your toilet at home is how public toilets should be created. no men and womans. just a wall 10 toilets in a row with little basins in them. You use the one that is avaliable.

[@teresaedwards4175]

Hooray! Thank God for these real young women. The woke business is misogynistic! They’ve got a massive chip on their shoulders about real women. They are so jealous! They are terribly insecure, they want power. They are projecting their insecurities onto real women, the very people they are aspiring to. They are not interested in healing that insecurity…..just placing a bandaid on the surface. They get a sexual kick out of acting like a woman. It is a fetish. They are so consumed by this fetish that they cannot see any deeper into themselves, to heal their insecurities. They can feel whole, loved, content, complete…. but you have to work on it…like the rest of us! Taking on another persona because you hate yourself is never going to make you happy. If you cannot love yourself how you were made…you have a psychological issue. Which you can heal and be really truly HAPPY.

[@karmar22able]

Well known troll. You just keep popping your head out of the cave.

[@tracycahill1214]

This is the most grown up conversation about this topic I’ve heard yet. Helen Joyce makes so much sense. Loved it.

[@rebeccaco65]

Exactly! I’m actually not sure where I stand on some of this, but I’m deeply bothered by how dissenting voices are silenced. That’s what authoritarianism does.

[@yvonnewalesuk8035]

@@rebeccaco65 I agree with you, especially the last sentence. People worry about 'fascism' but it's no different to 'authoritarianism' (same horse, different colour), and the way society is being pushed by identify politics and group-think (the 'if you're not with us, you're a bigot' attitude) doesn't bode well for the future. Scary times!

[@TacticalGamingFool]

​@@rebeccaco65if dissenting voices are silenced why do I hear more terfs like this c@nt than I do actual transpeople. How many panels and interviews are out there that never bothered to talk to a trans person. This karen is a braindead moron and if she debated nominalnaomi shed get her ancient ass embarrassed

[@TacticalGamingFool]

​@@yvonnewalesuk8035dude people say fascist because theres a ton of overlap. The first gender clinic was jewish owned and destroyed by the nazis. Theres a Florida law that anyone can threaten someone they think is trans to either leave the bathroom or be arrested

[@TacticalGamingFool]

Its a grown up conversation about trans people that doesnt include any trans people riiiight her arguments are weak and shes a hateful biggot loser

[@MarthaAnthony]

"We don't take rights away from entire groups on the basis of a minority". What do they think they are doing to all women?

[@axiss5840]

And men.

[@ktnworth]

I mean the obvious answer is that cis gendered women aren't losing their rights..........

[@MarthaAnthony]

@@Kaylinatka We are a minority in status, not number.

[@blade797]

​@axiss5840 women. This is one sided.

[@axiss5840]

@@blade797 Speaking as a man, no it's not.

[@nikroth]

“Any man who oversteps women's boundaries by coming in to women's spaces has already demonstrated he doesn’t care about women's boundaries. He is exactly the worst sort of man to be in there. “ Very true. I am really disgruntled by the rise of misogyny. These people have mothers, respect women.

[@VixenArt3]

Okay, hi, I'm a trans girl and you're right, I have a Mom, I also have an older sister, and most of my friends are girls. Could you tell me in what instance do you think I might be disrespectful to any of them? And how come I haven't heard any such thing from them? I'd assume I'm not disrespecting anybody

[@nikroth]

There are legit people with actual gender dysphoria, it's a very very very rare condition. Most of the trans folk nowadays are following a trend, also pedos, pervs and rapist are hiding as trans. Hence why female only spaces should remain as such. IF you are legit, it sux for you, sadly there is no way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3

[@nikroth]

There are trans folk that are legit. Actual gender dysphoria is a real condition, but it's very very very rare. Many modern trans people are simply following a trend. Also Seggs pr3dat0rs are hiding as trans. Hence why female only spaces should remain as such. IF you are legit, sux for you, sadly there is not way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3

[@nikroth]

There are trans folk that are legit. Actual gender dysphoria is a real condition, but it's very very very rare. Many modern trans people are simply following a trend. Also not good people are hiding as trans. Hence why female only spaces should remain as such. IF you are legit, not cool for you, sadly there is not way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3

[@nikroth]

There are trans folk that are legit. Actual gender dysphoria is a real condition, but it's very very very very rare. Also not good people are hiding as trans. IF you are legit, not cool for you, sadly there is not way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3

[@ceeceebeebee889]

I've never been one to have heroes, until gender ideology. Now all my heroines are women like Helen Joyce, JKR, Kathleen Stock, Julie Bindel, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, Helen Staniland, Posie Parker, so many women who are standing up for our rights. It's invigorating.

[@DJWESG1]

Seems to me those you have listed are more interested in being popular that actually standing up for ppls rights.

[@richardcooke7909]

⁠they are sticking up for rights.

[@ruthhorowitz7625]

I've always had heroines. Hannah Senesh and Aayan Hirsi Ali.

[@jennybaboolal4777]

Don't forget the guys! Graham Linehan, Stuart Campbell ( WOS) Mr Mennie and many more. I am grateful to them all - male, female and brave.❤

[@johnhudson5414]

All the transphobes are your heroes? How sad

[@chrisf9377]

1) Woman isn't a social construct (aka role) that you can choose. The social constructs are the individual stereotypes (Clothing, hairstyle, personality etc). We each choose a unique set of stereotypes, not "man" or "woman". 2) You can't "identify as" a member of the "woman" group because membership is based on biology. 3) The concept of being in the "wrong body" is illogical. To confirm that you're in the "wrong body" then you must have previous experience of a different body in order to verify that you don't feel uncomfortable in every body. But you can't even change bodies.

[@RebeleneM]

Yes! How does a man who's lived & experienced the world only as a male have any idea what it is like to "feel like a woman"? They have zero idea. They put on their woman costume and declare, "I'm a real woman!" How on earth do they know how it feels to be a woman/ female? No more than I know what it feels like to be a man. Ludicrous.

[@carolinemulenga2697]

Oh, that is an excellent thought on being in the wrong body. Very well put! Perhaps the people who feel they are in the wrong body should consider it's not the body that is wrong, but the mindset.

[@joygibbons5482]

Good points. I’ve always wanted to respond to the claim that somebody “identifies” as a woman by asking how they can possibly know what being a woman feels like if they aren’t one?

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

On point 3, the other thing is that we _are_ our bodies. Unless you want to get into religious conceptions of the soul, everything that makes you, you is in your brain. Our brains are shaped by our sex, in the same way every organ is, to varying degrees.

[@tanstoptips1376]

It is femininity which is the social construct, built on the misogynistic ideal of females and masculinity, built on homophobia and a fear of weakness. It is these social constructs which Trans people impersonate

[@artoflife22]

No matter how one identifies, when you need anesthesia for any procedure (say heart bipass or colonoscopy) the docs need to know your actual, birth sex bc anesthesia doses will be adjusted accordingly. If you lie, as a natural born male, you’ll wake up mid surgery and as a woman, you’ll die. Physiological differences are baked in and a person will be outed during these procedures no matter how well they pass otherwise.

[@matthewcaldwell8100]

Nobody in the history of trans people ever claimed that physiological differences vanish when you transition.

[@IdaKiss]

​@@matthewcaldwell8100Are you serious?

[@matthewcaldwell8100]

@@IdaKiss Are you? Do you think trans women don’t know they have prostates?

[@pullybungieharder]

@@matthewcaldwell8100 Then how did Leah Thomas compete with women?

[@jb71577]

​@@matthewcaldwell8100 Yes they do because trans women insist on competing in women's sports. Bone density and lung capacity don't change with hormone replacement therapy. I'm not even sure if they transitioned as a child that it would be different. Sadly we won't know for another 30 years the effects of puberty blockers when it will be too late to recover for these poor kids.

[@Illuxx777]

This woman may be a mathematician, but she is also a wordsmith! ❤️

[@DrCruel]

@@jarekjaskolska5703 The real problem is dealing with the socialist defense - not so much a debate as being fired, ostracized and even beaten up or killed. Thus why the Muslim counter-argument is so effective - mainly because it's so similar.

[@jlm3124]

Logic permeates all disciplines.

[@smaakjeks]

No, she is just a bigot.

[@steveb3881]

Thank goodness for Helen Joyce! A very brave woman taking on the nonsensical new religion of gender drivel.

[@rgghjs9270]

It's not a religion, and it isn't new lol

[@justinludeman8424]

​@@rgghjs9270it represents a cult of delusion and social contagion, more so now than ever. It is rather similar to a religion - a belief in the fantastic idea that gender is fluid, and biological sex matters not - a delusion indeed. It is not epistemically humble to equate rare cases of transgenderism from past ages with the extant trend and its fervent ideologues and activists who prey on children to validate their Narcissistic desires.

[@Skullskoot]

It is a religion. It implies we all have a gender 'soul' and is just as deeply regressive, homophobic and sexist as all the abrahamic ones. No wonder neckbeards and homophobes love it@@rgghjs9270

[@joeljensen7392]

She’s a quack.

[@rclaws3230]

​@@rgghjs9270It's absolutely a religion, but no, it's not new. Cult of Baphomet, same beliefs only not gussied up by pseudo-scientific libjargon.

[@wallacetf]

The intersex argument is wild. It's like saying 'the average person has 3.99 limbs'. No. The average person has 4 limbs, but there are exceptions.

[@Ifailedeverything]

It’s like saying that humans only have 64 chromosomes. If someone has more or less than 64…. But we don’t say that because it’s acceptable that anomalies occur. It is gross that people will use a genetic, medical condition to validate their need to be special and unique.

[@RobbieRobot.]

Oh I like this 3.99 😂 that's good..I may use this,hope you don't mind 🙏😂

[@jamesthecat]

Or even 'see, this person is intersex because they have to sit down when they pee' (because they have hypospadia).

[@ribbonsofnight]

The amount of limbs we have is on a spectrum does sound like a Titania Mcgrath tweet.

[@elliotvernon7971]

⁠​⁠@@IfailedeverythingI agree with you, but it is 46 chromosomes not 64. Sorry to be a pedant😊

[@MamaMOB]

A neutered dog is still a male dog. A neutered human is a eunuch not a woman.

[@Grace-ms7un]

that word doesnt get used enough

[@toothlesstheruthless]

and a man in a dress with makeup is a crossdresser/transvestite - a word I hvent heard in ages either

[@DeborahThomasRNCPht]

I'm 73 and remember that being such a societal debacle. To me it was just weird, but so are a lot of other things. Hopefully, this too shall pass before too many young people ruin their lives over someone's phase they misguidely followed. @@toothlesstheruthless

[@smaakjeks]

Gender and sex are different things. Shocking, right?

[@calebalton2084]

​@@smaakjekswhat is shocking is that trans is always expressed as trans man or trans woman, never as trans pan, trans zher, or trans anything of the alleged 749 genders. Also when anyone wants gender reassignment surgery, it's always either man to woman, or woman to man. Never is gender reassignment surgery to one of the 749 other genders, it's almost as if they don't exist, that there apparently are only two gender options available for gender reassignment surgery. Strange don't you think how closely gender and sex line up to the exclusion of anything else?

[@alexandragrace8164]

I see Helen Joyce, I watch. I will never stop being inspired by Helen and being pushed to do my own activism in my country. As a woman, as a CSA survivor, as a lesbian, I am outraged by this disgraceful fetishist movement.

[@TacticalGamingFool]

Im disgusted by sick freaks that want to assume someones private identity is a fetish. You sound ignorant and quite frankly youre probably the one with sexual issues

[@lindyfenwick6052]

I’m hearing you👍🙂

[@smaakjeks]

This is how they used to describe gay people. That it was just a fetish, and that children were being groomed into it.

[@salbrismind]

Do not realize that people used to say the same thing about gay people? They called them freaks (and still do) and think it's a fetish rather than just the way people are. By calling trans-people fetishist your playing into the same hateful rhetoric people used to say about you. I find it disgraceful that now that being gay has become more accepted gay people like yourself have decided to turn your back on other marginalized groups.

[@smaakjeks]

They used to say the same thing about gay people. They just swapped the group they're creating a social panic about.

[@Aengus42]

As a guy I learned about exactly how women & especially lesbians were being crushed by this awful ideology from the late, great and sadly missed Magdalen Berns here on KZbin (her channel is still up even though we lost her to a brain tumour. It's well worth your time to go find her) and Helen Joyce is carrying on her good work. Helen includes the damage being done to young, gay men as well as women & deserves all the support & help we can offer. I have absolutely nothing except sympathy for the tiny fraction of the trans community that really are gender dysphoric. It must be hell on earth to suffer from such a delusion. Maybe surgery can help, I don't know. But it must be treated as a dangerous, riddled with problems & poor outcomes last resort. Not an immediate response to tomboy girls & effeminate boys. You've time to go see how Magdalen Berns (channel name is her name) approached this in it's early days before we all cone together to listen to Helen this evening. See you here later 💜☮️

[@rgghjs9270]

It's not "an immediate response" is it though. This is a nationwide bullying campaign (we're known as terf island lol...) and I have no idea why Andrew is so obsessed with it

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

​@rgghjs9270 The 'bullying campaign' is being led by the trans lobby and supported by their dim-witted minions. Western governments, state bodies and most major institutions have been manipulated into forcing an incoherent, non-sensical ideology on Western populations who did not vote for it and do not consent to its consequences. They seek to undermine our intuition, deny reality by debauching language so that it no longer reflects reality and intimidate us all into playing along by prosecuting and smearing the few who are brave enough to object. We're ostensibly living through the plot for a distopian novel. The pertinent question is why aren't you obsessed by it too?

[@nettietrees7238]

@@rgghjs9270it has been the immediate response for a while now p since activists took the wheel. Before that even mermaids showed the data that revealed that majority of these kids would grow up and out of it to be gay men (look through the archives on their website) the TAvi had actual drs in charge that blew the whistle when they started noticing that many of the kids were struggling with internalised homophobia, and /or were on the autistic spec. Lisa Littman found that all of a sudden a huge uptick in teen girls were identifying as trans together in friendship groups when it had always been a historically male problem - but they went after her. Didn’t stop someone taking that research and expanding on it and finding what we kinda knew - it is a social contagion especially in girls - but now that research is being suppressed.

[@susandrakenviller3683]

Tomboy girls and effeminate boys were never a problem for gays and lesbians, only for conservatives and mainstream society in general. The same people are now attacking trans people, just like you calling them ‘delusional’. Of course you have to be careful with treatments, diagnosis and so on, but we don’t need judgmental people like you belittling the individuals with gender dysphpria nor do the tomboys or fem men need your disingenuous support. Support only in the name of the crusade against another minority.

[@Maryarosi]

The late, great, sadly missed Magdalen Berns indeed ❤️

[@oceanbreathyogawellness4487]

Aroubnd 54 minute point speaking of support groups for abused women. The city council where I live was pushed to remove funding for a support group for women who had been sexually abused because they refused to admit men who identified as women. There very sane reason was because women were too distressed to have them there. Rather than fight to get funding for their own support group they went to council, had on of the council memebers support them and fight to have all funding removed. And they won....came out smiling in celebration. It was disgusting and distressing and when I called it out on FB one of the people who supported it who I knew replied that they could not believe that "I" a person who teaches yoga could dare support that. As if I should know better without even acknowleding that they had just crushed the rights of women. Idiocy. I did not back down and will not feed this growing monster.

[@lorraine.bernardettehoole7743]

That is so shockingly bad. These type of trans activists are misogynistic in the extreme. That isn't the only example of this either.

[@EffSharp]

I have an honest question for you: if a support group for violent robbery victims asked you not allow black people in because some of the victims were robbed by black men would you think was ok? I know it’s not an equivalent but it’s an analogy. I’m not sure how having a trans woman in the group would actually harm anyone. I say this as a female sexual assault victim. I think having funding removed from a support group is messed up, but I also don’t think it makes sense to keep trans women out, seeing as trans women are often victimized.

[@patchoulidance]

@@EffSharp it was a support group for women, not men, that's why trans women should not have been allowed in the group.

[@theresas740]

​@@EffSharpif you "know it's not an equivalent" then you are being disingenuous.

[@nforne]

​@@EffSharp When you picture in your mind’s eye the transwomen you wouldn’t mind using the support group, I assume you’re thinking of slightly built, effeminate men like Dylan Mulvaney, gently sobbing into their silk handkerchiefs, and not those people who have sexual offences against women, like Isla Bryson? Because if you open the door for Dylan, the Islas of this world will stride right in.

[@lynnebarnes3840]

As the youngest girl in a family of myself and five older brothers, I can afirm that the punch of a male is different from a girl/woman punch.

[@B3Band]

Are their cocks different? Do you let them run a train on you, or do you only allow one at a time?

[@TheYuvimon]

As the youngest of 7 I had 3 older brothers and 3 older sisters so my sample is pretty balanced. Can confirm your findings.

[@lynnebarnes3840]

@@TheYuvimon 🎯😂

[@krustycreme1093]

@@TheYuvimon As a mother if 5 children, I can say that the girls just never used violence as a way to solve their quarrels. The boys were most likely to use their sheer advantage of size and strength to dominate another into submission.

[@Durzo1259]

Are you sure? All I see in movies now are women fighting 220 lbs male body builders, knocking them all over the room. 😂

[@mtpstv94]

She isn't wrong. I've never met a girl that I was sure she could crush my hands with hers, but I know that I could never squeeze any womans' hand with 1/2 my strength. It would probably break multiple bones in her hands. And I'm not even "strong". Women's hands in a man's even feel very fragile. Most men could absolutely significantly harm most women if they squeezed her hand with half the available power in their hands.

[@ronhoward121]

You don't think this is at all societal? Because women can lift 700 lbs; you think THAT woman can't crush your hands?

[@sarahwilson7558]

@@ronhoward121a woman would have to put a lot of work in to be that strong. The strongest woman in the world would be stronger than most people but the strongest man in the world is stronger than everyone.

[@renbakes5083]

@@ronhoward121so a few women train hard enough and manage to lift 700 lbs you equate that to all women are capable of doing so. It’s not societal, it’s biology.

[@ronhoward121]

@@renbakes5083 Did I equate it to that? Testosterone plays a major role; but there are women with more testosterone than some men. I only asked if it were "at all societal". It is. Men are encouraged to lift, women are frequently discouraged from doing so. I don't deny a biological component, but how much is societal? As reference, women are fairly competitive against men in wrestling due to weight classes.

[@renbakes5083]

@@ronhoward121 you said, “because women can lift 700 lbs”. That sounds like you are referring to women in general. If it’s not what you meant, I apologize, but it’s how it came across.

[@steph744]

she's good and I love how she decribes gender ideology as a religion. we don't have to believe. one woman that is great on that subject is annie eve collin , she's taking it from a rationalist , philosophy of science angle. I love her

[@vulc1]

On the contrary, calling an advanced understanding of gender a religion is as ignorant and deprecating as describing the abolitionist movement as a religion.

[@blueridge7838]

I recently heard Arty Morty talk about what he sees as the similarities between Scientologists and trans activists.

[@vulc1]

@@maxwellboyne2770 My comparison is valid because gender and gender identities also actually exist.

[@justinludeman8424]

​@@vulc1people say they exist, insist they exist, and have infiltrated policymaking to enforce compliance. If what you asserted was correct, there would be no need for this at all. The delusion of gender as opposed to personality and proclivity, and the sophistry, pseudoscience, virtue-signalling, and gaslighting of transactivism exposes the fallibility and fragility of the entire movement. Sex in immutable objective fact. Gender is a wishy washy bullshit idea. Beware the constructionism of the deconstructionist mind lol.

[@Skullskoot]

"advanced understanding of gender" yeah about as useful as a theology degree, except the religion is as deeply regressive and sexist as evangelicals@@vulc1

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

She is the greatest. There is no better person to elucidate the many, many issues with this nonsensical neo-religion than Helen Joyce. She will destroy all comers.

[@rgghjs9270]

lol she repeatedly states you can't change sex. That's not what transgender people are claiming. No one is claiming that except clueless transphobes...

[@partiellementecreme]

It would be wonderful to see Joyce in conversation with a transgenderist, but of course they don’t engage.

[@BasicAngel2266]

And she does it with so much warmth, humour and clarity

[@Amy-wy1gd]

Completely agree. She is deadly. That's why the TRA gang hate her, she will be the end of their movement.

[@rgghjs9270]

Have any of you seen Robert Sapolsky - Brain Gender? It's a video on here. You might realise Helen doesn't actually know very much if you give him a chance. He's a famous neurologist btw, really knows his stuff

[@Andrew-mv2qb]

The ‘Issue’ is never the issue, the ‘Issue’ is always the ‘Revolution’.

[@heatherthegreat]

It absolutely boggles my mind that people think they can change their sex. Also, that they think WE have to go along with their delusions.

[@eliselianaboyd2547]

Well guess what, this is the USA and you didn't get to tell anyone how they can dress, who they can love or how they identify its called freedom and it's not just for you.

[@ajromero3692]

I'm really glad they brought up the issue of "spicy straights" and how gender ideology has played a huge role in it. Frankly, being gay myself, I would absolutely love to have my sexuality viewed as "boring" which usually just means normal or nondescript. I want my character, my personality, and my accomplishments to be at the forefront of who I am as a person, not something as insignificant as my sexuality (which has all the same importance on my beings as my hair color or which hand I use to write with). Originally, the whole mission statement of gay rights was for us to be viewed as basically no different from heterosexuals except in the realm of attraction. However, this has been completely demolished by "queer theory" which essentially wants to paint us as almost another species from straight people. Our groups, spaces, forums, etc. have now also become inundated with bored straight people with dyed hair who call themselves "non-binary" or just the vague term of "queer" who, for whatever reason, now have more of a voice than actual homosexuals. All of this has completely undermined our original goal and has also set us back in terms of progress. Sadly, a lot of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals have helped foster this current environment as well, happily taking part in their own destruction.

[@sianais]

I miss that brief window when so and so being gay was just an "oh, okay." Now we're back to the "can tell from a mile away (like it's the default)" or "you sure, they don't look gay." Plus, the worse bs of all is gayness being tied to sexual promiscuity or deviance. The religious psychos in my country are loving the current movement because they're giving them all the "proof" they need.

[@B3Band]

Why did you feel the need to identify yourself as gay then? Did you think labelling yourself as gay would give you credibility?

[@waynejohnson2855]

I think most people, regardless of their sexual persuasions agree with you. It is always a minority who tend to shout very very loudly about stuff that create these issues. It is not entirely the fault of the young generation, they have been indoctrinated from an early age into a cult. They are on the inside and can't see it for what it is.

[@luskaneseprince]

@@B3Band Identifying as gay and recognizing that the word applies to you are two different things, and that's the thing trans activists rarely understand. I don't identify as anything in particular, certain words just accurately describe certain aspects of me, and so it makes sense for me to use these words to talk about myself.

[@TacticalGamingFool]

You know who else wants all people to be seen as normal? Gender abolitionists. You know why we had to have all the lgbt categories? Because these are people that have been discriminated against irl and needed to band together to fight for equal rights. Straight people coming in and muddying the waters is a straight problem, trans people cant control them, we just want the same rights as everyone else and to be seen as normal.

[@walkingstick6655]

The rare non-XX/XY person is the exception that proves the rule. We need to have a common language and understanding of that language. A man is an adult male human. A woman is an adult female human. A male is that of a species which produces a sperm gamete and a female is that of a species which produces an ova gamete. These are basic definitions. People who think otherwise are not entitled to their own self-serving definitions. A woman can feel like a man, but not really have the feelings of a man, just her opinion on what a male feels like. Same goes for the opposite for men who feel like a woman. People can alter physical aspects of themselves, including internal aspects such as hormones, but they are still actually, very much as they were born. Sex cannot be changed. It's fundamental science. Just because some people want it to be otherwise, doesn't make it the case. That said, I think those that want to live their lives as whatever they want to be, then more power to them. But they can't alter science or logic or common language to fit their personal narratives.

[@roriemarie2968]

So it is in your last paragraph where the problem begins... If you say that they should be able to live their life as they want to live it. Great, wonderful and concept. That sounds wonderful, but in reality. What they want is to enter women's spaces, not being biological women. Therefore, no, they cannot live. However, they want to live because living how they want to live imposes on biological women.

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

It's actually generally not people who are non-XY/non-XX who are are the exception. People who are XXY or XYY are both male (the conditions are known as Klinefelters and Jacob's Syndrome respectively). Both can have a range of effects (e.g. learning disabilities, being taller than average, infertility...etc), but their sex is generally completely unambiguous. People who just have a single X chromosome are females (it's called Turner's Syndrome), and are also unambiguously female. Basically, if you have at least one Y chromosome, it doesn't matter what other sex chromosomes you have, you are almost certainly going to develop male and be born with male genitalia. The conditions that cause genuine ambiguity are usually are the ones which effect specific genes, typically those which interact with sex hormones during development. Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome is one, another is 5-ARD (the condition Caster Semenya has).

[@maisatanel]

what if a person doesn't produce gametes?

[@walkingstick6655]

@@maisatanel Again, "exceptions prove the rule", just like those few who aren't XX or XY chromosomed. This is all logical and common sense.

[@maisatanel]

@@walkingstick6655 yeah but are they a man or a woman

[@MissNatalonga]

I love listening to Helen Joyce, both because of her sharp wit and bravery and her lovely accent.

[@TacticalGamingFool]

Arent you embarrased to get your information on trans people from a ciswoman who transpeople see as a hatemonger bully loser

[@fionagregory9147]

What accent?

[@patricianutter8886]

I never tire of her razor sharp wit

[@Wagyubaby]

I’m well impressed with her! Now SHE is a woman!!

[@karamjitsingh8179]

A great interview Andrew. Love the way you refrain from speaking over people or interrupting them.

[@ranellnikora48]

This woman is so brilliant and genuinely funny and entertaining. I love her frank approach to debunking some of the ideological BS with logic.

[@garyweglarz]

I never thought I'd see the day when simply standing up for biological science - while defending material reality itself - made one both an absolute pariah within mainstream liberal Western society - and at the same time a heroine to those of us still rooted in the physical world - as opposed to being lost in our own narcissistic fantasies.

[@TheJustinJ]

Have You ever read Ayn Rand?

[@joshuagharis9017]

It's not biological science, educate yourself please 🙏

[@ribbrascal]

@@joshuagharis9017 Bit rich

[@mardyroux8136]

@@joshuagharis9017 A man is not a woman. That is biological science.

[@brandyhaywood6256]

I watched the debate that Helen talks about, with Peter Tatchell and Fred Wallace. It was absolutely sad and hilarious at the same time. Fred was clearly drunk and determined to make an absolute fool of himself. Tatchell is the nodding dog on the parcel shelf of the car. No common sense and honesty. No intelligent arguments from either of them. Follow the money as they must be getting funded from some dark organisations. Tatchell and Wallace just look sooo sad, unwell and unhappy. Helen and Andrew are the voices of common sense, decency and honesty.

[@mardyroux8136]

"Non-binary" is a hilarious term. The "Non" declares that there are also those who are binary. Thus it creates a binary.

[@jerrylong6238]

Wrong, it means there are morons who claim sex is binary, idiots like Helen Joyce.

[@light-yi2me]

Thank you for inviting the voice of reason, she’s not alone and many educated women like myself are thinking exactly the same! ❤

[@SusanaXpeace2u]

And uneducated! I'm uneducated and this is not hard to understand!

[@light-yi2me]

@@SusanaXpeace2u No please I don’t mean it that way, it’s only to say that I know my facts and so they can’t call me a brainwashed fascist ;) I’m so sorry and apologize if I came across as a pompous jerk 🙏🏻

[@justinludeman8424]

Sadly, those most captured by postmodern, intersectional, critical race and social justice, and queer theory are the supposed intelligentsia - you are both on point really imho. This is common sense, however, masquerading as moral virtue - this ideology appeals to elitist narcissistic trait groups.

[@pattysue2516]

Glad you clarified your statement, as I had the same initial reaction to your post as SusanaXpeace2u. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that the transgender ideology is pure lunacy…and I know plenty of people with PhD’s who couldn’t find their butts with both hands.

[@simondebeer9917]

Many men stand with you against this lunacy as it's bad for women as well as society as a whole. Alongside those women, people like Graham Linehan have fought the cause

[@sophry1]

What an amazing woman, got her book Trans when it came out and it was eye opening. Also Andrew you’re a sensitive and knowledgeable interviewer x

[@hyrunnisa997]

gender ideology is a theology

[@IVIRnathanreilly]

The "Spicy Straight" segment really put words to what I've thought about the whole thing for years. Well said Helen. People just want to be different and better again that it gets them social points with the "cool" people.

[@tablescissors]

It’s bigger than that, it’s to desperately avoid as a (usually) White able-bodied “cis” gender hetero being labeled as an “OPPRESSOR” in their faith/ideology.

[@eliselianaboyd2547]

This isn't the 1840 ,people have sex get over sad hate filled self. Just people don't want to have sex with you says more about you than it says about anyone else

[@mimig6511]

as does many mental health issues. I feel it is sad that so many people enjoy having depression (major) ADD ADHD BPD wheat intolerance etc. YES people do .... and there is assistance for those who want the support ....that is running think for the people who got their diagnosis from google and again think it is terribly cool.

[@larsthorwald3338]

The only thing weirder to my mind than the idea of a man identifying as a woman is the idea that he would want to.

[@jyyyb]

Sexual arousal

[@teresaryan-feehan7472]

woman are brilliant.

[@fionacarroll5562]

They don't really identify as women. It's a sexual kink.

[@tablescissors]

It has a lot to do with sexually exploiting them as well as taking advantage of any female privilege they can apply to themselves.

[@fashupora5487]

it has to do with gender dysphoria sweetie

[@lamar1423]

Nice discussion. I've long thought "tits and ass" is how men defined us. Talking to "transwomen" confirmed it.

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

Please don't judge all men, by the standards of cross-dressers who mutilate their own genitals, and who insist they're entitled to access women's bathrooms, because they swear they're more "vulnerable" than 6yo girls, or 80yo grandma's. 99% of men would rather drive a red hot poker through their eyeball, than do ANY of the above. (Same as we don't judge ALL women, by those who affirm and embrace and defend these guys. Or by the women who think that facial piercings and a bad haircut make them "non-binary," and "neither male OR female"..)

[@RebeleneM]

Indeed. They've reduced us to a costume: long hair, nails, boobs, make up, dress, handbag, heels. Misogyny in its highest form.

[@moriahmcgill3687]

lol this is soo sad but so true. They actually prove the point that they are in fact male by saying that. I heard one conversation where a transwoman was saying that makeup is part of being a woman. And I was just thinking, “So, I’m not a woman, after all because I don’t where makeup, even though I have three children that I have carried and birthed.”

[@ribbonsofnight]

Talking to transwoman about the centre of their delusion doesn't really say much about men. Them being fixated on the things they can mimic and find most compelling and ignoring both internal biology and the character traits that women tend to have is sort of inevitable.

[@rebeccao8895]

Wow! 🌞

[@incerix2953]

Always a pleasure to listen to Helen Joyce, She is a legend.

[@Rachel-en5nt]

Reductio ad absurdem is WHERE WE ARE NOW. There are laws in California, Scotland, Canada, and some other countries that are as extreme and absurd as it can possibly get and there are still serious people seriously refusing to acknowledge how insane it is.

[@blade797]

The unfortunate part is that Gen X, Boomer, and whats left of the Silent age dont quite understand that mainstream media cant be trusted anymore. Theyre used to consuming mainstream media out of long time habit, and dont understand MM has been bought by the libs of those countries. Theyre getting a constant "all of them vs me" perspective , and so this message is jammed down their throat that they must be the problem then, not logic and gut instinct.

[@dellplummer5173]

She's right about EVERYTHING. Bravo.💥🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@mindfuleats4517]

Not EVERYTHING. Not if I'm understanding her views on climate change and vaccines correctly

[@wearelightbeings]

I love Helen! Gender ideology is a religion, and if the proponents of it would treat it like that we wouldn’t have any issues. Imagine if Catholics went around in public saying “Peace be with you” and then demanded everyone, regardless of their faith, say “and also with your spirit” back to them. If someone didn’t say this back, they would scream “bigot!”and try to ruin your reputation saying your a Catholicphobe. It’s like no, I’m not a bigot, I don’t hate you and I’m not afraid of you, I just don’t believe what you believe. Gender religion says “Trans women are women” and you are expected to respond with “Yes they are” or you’re a heretic. You can believe whatever you want, but forcing me to go along with it IS where the problem happens. Religions have a long history of hurting and abusing children, attempting to convert gay people, living in ways people outside of the religion don’t understand, and this religion is no different.

[@nettietrees7238]

It’s exactly like going back to having blasphemy laws - if you don’t believe, you are a heretic and should be punished

[@matthewb9621]

Live and Let Live PROVERB You should tolerate the opinions and behaviour of others so that they will similarly tolerate your own.

[@mycatsnameiskaren8253]

More like a cult, imo. Good analogy!

[@mycatsnameiskaren8253]

​@@matthewb9621I disagree. When you endorse people's fantasies, you just perpetuate the lie. We have to stick to science and facts and the truth.

[@nannyssillysoapco]

There are limits to what behaviour should be tolerated.

[@OlafKnolaf]

I identify as a woman who identifies as a man. So basically I'm trans.

[@urbexyounggun2214]

You're tritrans 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@taigenraine]

The whole 'social construct' bit is such a sleight of hand. Sure, gender roles are socially constructed, the idea that men and women dress certain ways, choose certain lifestyles, etc. But if that is what they mean by 'gender' then 'trans people' are not trans-gender, they are trans-sexual. You can change your 'gender' in a social sense just by choosing to change your style, choose different jobs, play with different toys. Nothing of that requires a change in pronoun or surgery. A pronoun is a shortcut to refer to someone by their sexual characteristics, not by their 'identity'. If you have to correct someone's pronoun use, then pronouns no longer function linguistically. The whole point is 'I don't know your name possibly, or don't want to be so formal as to use it, but I can look at your sexual characteristics and refer to you as 'he' or 'her'. If I have to ask you first, or be 'corrected' on it, it's no longer a linguistic shortcut, it's now a landmine. And surgery has nothing to do with 'social constructs'... surgery is an attempt to change biology, and so is all about sex not gender (if we use the woke definition of gender).

[@badunladun4203]

if you're a guy(idk if you are or not) and someone keeps on calling you "she" and "girl" , wouldn't you correct them at some point?

[@taigenraine]

@badunladun4203 Never had that problem, because I've never tried to claim that my sex doesn't match my biology. Pronouns only stop functioning correctly when you claim to be something that you are not. The things that are a 'social construct' can be changed without inventing pronouns. A man can become a primary caregiver for his children and his wife can pursue her career, which changes both of their societal gender roles, and nether have to change their pronouns or go get surgery.

[@badunladun4203]

@@taigenraine how can you agree gender is a spectrum(as you say about men taking care of children or whatever) and also completely deny biological males or females could perhaps fall on the completely opposite part of the spectrum and wish to live that life??

[@taigenraine]

@badunladun4203 Sex is a binary, not a spectrum. Denying one's own biology is not an identity or a lifestyle. It is a delusion that causes deep trauma and confusion. The suicide rates prove that, as they are abnormally high even with surgery and hormone and affirmation. I do think that there are a rare few people who suffer from such a condition, and if their Healthcare professional after exhausting all other solutions believes transitioning as an adult is the best course of action, that is fine. But the cultural push by the lgbtqia organization to encourage children to experiment with trans ideation has made way more then just a few question their biology, and we are seeing a terrifying rise in suicide rates as a result.

[@yvonnewalesuk8035]

My sister wouldn't play with dolls as a child, she preferred to play with our brother's toys and to hang out with the boys. She was a proper 'tom boy', hated wearing dresses and always wore trousers. Some days, she would inform us that she was a boy and her name was 'Jimmy.' On those days, at home, we humoured her and called her Jimmy. That phase of her life ended when she was about 16 years old and she started to change into this really 'girly' girl. My sister thanks her lucky stars for our parents (who were very relaxed about her 'tom boy' years) and that no teacher at school, 'counselled' her that she was a 'boy' in a 'girl's' body and she needed to 'transition'.

[@jenniferrueger1694]

Amen!

[@kenyafromcali]

🫶🏾🙏🏾

[@caogomi]

no teacher is doing that you dolt

[@openSUSE5]

i also wouldn't play with dolls as a child. i was more interested in computers and video games. that phase of my life ended in my 20's when i came out as trans and transitioned into this really 'girly' girl. i guess i was just a tomboy too! ❤️

[@yvonnewalesuk8035]

@@openSUSE5 Not at all. If you were born a biological male, then your experience is nothing like my sister's experience. She began life as a biological female, and is still a biological female (girl to woman). You can perceive yourself as "trans" or whatever you like. The fact remains that you're a biological male (boy to man).

[@loopylou6841]

So glad I’m not a teenager trying to figure who the hell I am in this day, I’d have almost certainly been offered “gender care” instead of my actual Dx of autism adhd. Thankfully my teens are not suffering from GD but I really feel for the confused and worried parents who Are going through this with their kids

[@matthewb9621]

It's more the child going through it with their parents. On the whole. Some don't have parents to go through it with.

[@rosarose3443]

Same here.

[@sarahwhyld5596]

My best friend of 35 yrs has a son who has decided to identify as non-binary and I was told I had to refer to him as they, and when I said, I didn't agree to do that and would absolutely forget to because he looks like a male, although I sympathise with the struggle he was going through - I was verbally attacked in the most horrific way. She was normally a sensible person. In the end after trying to send me info for me to 'educate' myself on such matters - I held firm and she then ended our friendship. She lives in the USA and I have to say it's far worse over there than here in the UK. But then Americans are scared to say the word Christmas in case it offends someone. Yet in the UK we have all religions and nobody is offended by any religious festival.

[@matthewb9621]

@@sarahwhyld5596 First off, I can guarantee the vaste swathe of American culture has no issue with Christmas. They may have more people than we do saying others have an issue because they have more e.gs of our silly 'winterval' 'controversy' that wasn't and isn't a controversy at all. I'd say, that if you and the other family disagree on this issue, there are many other issues you would disagree on and perhaps aren't as connected as you both thought you were. It is a good thing you separated friendship. You both can find 'better' friends. It's perhaps unfortunate you both don't see eye to eye. But it isn't necessarily a bad thing. You both don't see yourself as 'wrong'. This happens in life, unfortunately.

[@matthewb9621]

@@sarahwhyld5596 I've had long standing friendships dissipate over far less.

[@mahboopful]

I feel young, always have, but my 72 year old body tells me something else.

[@juliechurley2716]

😂😂😂😂

[@newfoundland042961]

Me as well I'm 63 but now I identify as 23 and I challenge anyone to tell me different.

[@samseddie01]

great conversation and GREAT JOB on the filming! light levels, focus, audio all really nice. I like the slider on the center cam. very professional!

[@brandotheone]

Helen is such a treasure. It’s the perfect example that you can be a good and reasonable person and still be against this stuff.

[@GoBlueGirl78]

Thank you Helen for mentioning that fetuses do not start as female. It’s a persistent myth that as a biologist drives me crazy.

[@alisonwren3624]

I wish she'd say that sex is determined at fertilisation though! The word conception, in use from the 1300s, simply means " to get pregnant" when they honestly knew nothing about mammalian eggs and thought semen was seeds which grew in the fertile field of the womb. So sex in mammals and birds is determined when sperm joins egg, up by the ovary, which is 4-5 days before implantation into the uterus lining which is the start of pregnancy. About 50% of fertilised ova dont implant and are lost, possibly more male ones as they are genetically weaker.

[@tonybrimmicombe5454]

@@alisonwren3624 I don't know about genetically weaker perhaps a different gender inside the potential mother's body results in an immune response in some women that reject a male embryo and so never grows. Many women can't conceive boys, some can't conceive girls, and some can't conceive at all which is no one's fault, just the genetic problem of coding millions of instructions, errors are produced, some beneficial, some not

[@alisonwren3624]

@@tonybrimmicombe5454 Not really its to do with the XY rather than XX. There are 100s of sex-linked conditions like haemophilia which only boys get, others less lethal like colour blindness, all because the Y chromosome is very tiny so doesnt pair up completely with the X at meiosis (type of cell division that makes gametes which have half the usual number of chromosomes than all other body cells) studies have shown that looking at natural miscarriages there are more males than females. Please can we not use gender as a synonym for sex. Sex is biological, encoded in every cell in birds and mammals nothing to do with the stereotypical behaviours expected of male and female humans. And in every mammal species the females naturally live longer than the males. In birds its the opposite because it is the female that has the one big and one small chromosome, the male has two identical ones like female mammals. So male birds tend to live longer than females.

[@Jane-ow7sr]

Wait babies don't start as female?? What happens then?? (I'm not that far into the video)

[@tonybrimmicombe5454]

@@Jane-ow7sr A Y sperm fertilises an X egg, no chance it could ever be a female embryo

[@stacypoma7853]

Great episode!! Thank you for introducing me to Helen Joyce!

[@mkroliki]

I am answering the question "why just not be kind?" because when you give them an inch they will take a whole mile from you. They are dangerouse poeple and they don't understant what reason and copromiss is.

[@majmage]

What's that in reference to though? Just allowing trans individuals to function and exist? Because that kinda seems to be all they want. I mean yeah there's extremists on both ends making ridiculous demands, but they're just a loud minority.

[@Tawny593]

​@@majmage The trans want more than to just exist. MtF are erasing women in sports, modeling, acting, beauty pageants, etc. They are taking women's championship titles, scholarships, endorsements. They are invading women's spaces and making them unsafe for us. That minority is also getting laws passed to make misgendering a trans person crime. Like in the state I'm in. Wake up.

[@voices_vary]

Great guest, Dr. Joyce is brilliant. What worries me the most about this issue is that we are massively ignoring real problems that adolescents are bearing in the first part of this century. That is, they are inundated by non-stop data and social media, and they don't have an opportunity to grow into thoughtful, analytical people. Instead, they look for rapid, popular solutions to normal adolescent confusion and growth--and navigating those phases requires time and patience. That is sad. They need real attention, not force-fed misinformation and irreversible, medical butchering.

[@Gingerblaze]

They do not have to look. Children are very literally targetted in online gaming and social platforms by adult gender activists and groomers , in popular media and now by schools who have activist teachers and bring in lgbtqia+ and other ngo to facilitate their sex ed programs.

[@Carlos_De_Angeles]

Helen never fails to impress, and what a great tribute to Maya. Total heroes both. 👏👏

[@taylankammer]

Wow, Helen Joyce is just absolutely brilliant. Although I'm into this topic a lot and heard her name often, this is the first time I'm listening to a full interview with her. She's incredibly analytical and articulate. No wonder she's a mathematician.

[@SaviourInBlack]

Isn't it sad that me thinking this woman is brave for stating the truth? What a world we live in where those who are stating common sense in public are considered brave.

[@user-mz4in1hj9e]

Good interview. Nice flow and good questions. I was born 1980. Im last diagnosed autistic. As a child/ teen hated my body. Very much a tom boy, preferred boys, i think my mother as a left leaning woman that is very much a narcissist, if a teen today, i would have been encouraged to transition. I think people arent focusing on the parents. Particularly mothers that are narcissistic and or bpd. I really think many, not all, children are being encouraged by adults not just other children

[@geekgurl2000]

Former "tomboy" here, never liked that term. Toads and salamanders were more interesting than Barbies. Climbing trees was peaceful. I would have been transed if this crap was going on in the 70s-80s.

[@CTScenic]

Lol are you me? Same generation and situation. My mom used to literally say shed love it if one of us was gay. She also very much encouraged rebelliousness and going against the grain and doing whatever would make us happy. OMG cool parents, DO NOT parent this way, plz. A little structure and normalcy is ok.

[@user-mz4in1hj9e]

@@CTScenic oh yes, my mother is vile, allowed my sister to date a 21 yo soldier when she was 13. Really encouraged us to be messed up. I used to say all the time i wanted to be a boy (cat & horse before that) she would have made me a jazz jennings asap to get herself famous and a fan club telling her how tolerant she is.

[@CTScenic]

@@user-mz4in1hj9e that dating scenario sounds pretty bad. I wont say mom is vile, tho there were a few acts of such obliviousness that i could spin that way. More like misguided in most aspects. On the topic of gender roles, she was very much a self declared feminist and supportive of gender nonconformity (which is good...) but I think she also used feminism to justify stuff like not learning how to do a damn thing in a kitchen. Which might have been cool if dad was cooking or if she was fixing cars, but dad was dead and she cant do a damn thing with a car or a computer either. Cooking and food are cool, eating is not gendered, and im so glad youtube is around to teach me whatever i need! The lady in this vid makes some good sound points about stuff like clarifying the incidence and definition of intersex, and what it really means that embryos dont have differentiated sex organs at the start, but i thought she was being a bit of a dick making blanket statements against using a persons preferred pronouns.

[@lilyweatherwaxHRH]

@@CTScenicIf you encounter enough of the super-aggressive ones like the guy she described (at a recent debate they were both part of) in the fishnet tights flashing an entire audience, you’ll come to see that many, if not most of them have absolutely *no* respect whatsoever of actual women and are misogynists of the lowest type. You’re basically expecting her to ‘respect’ bullies.

[@juliej3155]

Queen Camilla needs to exercise her terf-power and give this woman a damehood.

[@olsim1730]

I agree, yet you misspelled Adulteress..

[@joce11]

@@olsim1730 WTF are you smoking?

[@tablescissors]

But isn’t King Charles Uber liberal, so I’d assume he supports these types of philosophies.

[@jimmyblanka6025]

I am always so much calmer after listening to any interview with Helen. She's so capable of encapsulating and pinning all of the key points - and then just dismantles them, brick by brick. What a gift.

[@katieembleton1247]

Another good episode! Really enjoying the new channel Andrew! Looking forward to future episodes 🤩

[@thetopcat8946]

She's right it's our chromosome's...how is it even a thing to not understand?

[@megankwisdom]

I could listen to Helen all day, she is wonderful 😊

[@pchris6662]

It’s so refreshing to see someone argue from a reasoned standpoint and not just hysterical ravings out of passion.

[@MissMagic]

I'm glad you're able to have people like Helen on now and you've gotten over your fear of the now utterly meaningless word "transphobic".

[@MK-Hogan]

Gender ideology has damaged so many people. All these people need to understand is that they’re conflating their gender with PERSONALITY. Express yourself however you want. Wear whatever you want. That doesn’t have anything to do with your actual gender. You’re just expressing your personality with style, makeup, feminine or masculine characteristics, etc. That doesn’t need to change your gender. Just be a male or female that expresses yourself in whatever way you are expressing yourself.

[@vulc1]

This rampant transphobia and utter ignorance has damaged so many people. All those transphobic people need to understand the difference between sex and gender. We talk about gender roles not sex roles, and how gender roles are subject to change. Gender itself is not static either ,and definitely gender is not binary.

[@matthewb9621]

Personality is such a bland word. But I think you are kinda correct. You are about 90% there.

[@justinludeman8424]

​@@vulc1gender is a meaningless term by its very implications. There are two sexes, and myriad ways to express oneself as an individual. End of story. Queer Theory sophistry is an invention - a deconstructionist social construct - narcissism 101.

[@rclaws3230]

​@@vulc1Gender and sex were synonyms until fifteen minutes ago, when religious zealots decided to load the terms with aesthetic baggage. You're talking about gender as if it's a "true spirit" inhabiting the corpus of a person. You trans fundamentalists don't even realize you've gone full circle around the snake eating its own tail to the point where you're just talking about the "soul" and asserting religiously that YOURS is the CORRECT way to conceptualize the soul, and then contemplating jihad when people disagree.

[@zeldagoblin]

It's almost like Godwin. The minute you mention a phobia, you've betrayed your ideological capture and inability to think for yourself. Trans is a political stance.

[@user-so3kx5sv8r]

Helen is always an inspiration and truly knowledgeable about the subject - really looking forward to the interview

[@rgghjs9270]

She repeatedly claims you cannot change sex. No transgender people claim this. She doesn't know the first, most basic thing about this stuff - it's in the name; transGENDER

[@geoffh4578]

this is a frank and accurate summary of were we are right now with with this gender BS, well said Helen Joyce you are spot on

[@Beadledom2024]

Thank you Helen Joyce. You are MY favorite heretic. And as a mother of two daughters, I am very grateful for you.

[@shonaford250]

Love this woman and her logic. I am a woman and will not move over for a man who thinks he wants my space.

[@GabrielleTollerson]

SAME

[@joedge6142]

Helen is always worth listening to, she's so articulate. Tatchell doesn't understand that men and women's bodies are different shapes and their clothes are designed to fit those shapes. 🙄

[@rensha8635]

Tatchell understands alright, he’s a weasel.

[@matthewb9621]

Sizes, generally, come in S M L XXL etc etc. bBoth Men and Women can fit into those categories.

[@justinludeman8424]

​@@matthewb9621you missed the entire point the OP made. Not size - but cut to fit body morphology. Basic tailoring/dressmaking/fashion.

[@matthewb9621]

@@justinludeman8424 I got the point. People come in all shapes and sizes, was my point. You can't say a particular size is masculine or feminine. A Trans person may have to change their sizing. But size is arbitrary not specific.

[@Skullskoot]

Matthew is full of very stupid takes on this thread. Me thinks he fancies a pair of balls.

[@functionoflightone]

This was a very valualbe discussion. Thank you.

[@stevecowham1017]

If a teenager feels that they are the opposite sex, why would they need puberty blockers or invasive, life-long surgery? Teenagers are confused enough.

[@ArtfulJo]

As always, Helen Joyce is clear and brilliant, and I wish we heard more from her on MSM.

[@juliej3155]

Wow! I just love this woman’s brain. Can’t wait to see this 😊😊😊

[@HarringJess]

This entire interview was amazing. I just followed Helen on Twitter - she's right. Women don't go around sying, "Here's why I'm a woman." We just are. What we do doesn't make us a woman, we were born that way. Our repdocutive system makes us women.

[@dinosaurwoman]

The myth that everyone is born female is probably from the film Jurassic Park. I know that sounds weird, but that's how they described being able to "turn off" the Y chromosome. Of course, there is no way it could happen IRL--even DNA experts have said so. But the myth has prevailed. The truth is what you said: we don't develop sex organs until a certain period of growth, but the determination of male or female is there as soon as sperm meets egg.

[@lsmith6036]

Good points.

[@OfficialRogue]

As a gay man, I agree with everything Helen said here. Thank you for expressing again very eloquently what so many of us know to be true, just like you did on Richard Dawkins' interview... A much needed voice of reason in these times.

[@elgatofelix8917]

You as a gayRpart of the problem.

[@elgatofelix8917]

It's because of individuals like you that we live in a world where this is even a thing.

[@OfficialRogue]

@@elgatofelix8917 Nope. Being gay has nothing to do with being trans AT ALL (even Helen Joyce who you're watching here has a gay son). Good try though.

[@CG-nz8ry]

@@elgatofelix8917 By all means, keep blaming LGBs for the mess heterosexual AGPs created. Bloody dumbass lol

[@smaakjeks]

@@OfficialRogue The LGBT-bigots will never accept you. Might as well be on the right side of history.

[@Susan.D]

As always, she maneuvers through our increasingly idiotic times. Kudos.

[@magicphred]

but still seemingly trusts the v@xx ??

[@Susan.D]

@@magicphred what is V@xx?

[@CrookedSkew]

What a tremendous interview and to be able to breath a genuine sigh of relief for the discussion and points made and reaffirmed. Thank you.

[@oldnewsclipster]

Her point at 23:45 is worth expanding on - these days people seem to think science fiction / fantasy is real, and that we can really be 'shapeshifters.'

[@aussieannie01]

Fascinating subject, and isn’t Helen a delight! Great interview/discussion Andrew. Keep up the good work. Please!

[@catherinerobilliard7662]

Helen Joyce never fails to explain in ways everyone can understand ❤

[@TheFluffyDuck]

If I paint an orange blue, its still an orange.

[@Jenvick]

Andrew, I have definitely not always agreed with you on some cultural issues. But since I've stu.bled onto these long-form interviews with gender critical activists, I've gained so much respect for you and found that we havre very, very, important common ground. These risky interviews are such a critical step towards our outgrowing this ridiculous trend of thinking there aren't two immutable genders. Thank you! You're appreciated amd supported, but your work supports us in feeling OK tonsay the hard, true thing.

[@kashiaroundtheworld]

This woman has a brilliant mind and is so articulate.

[@fionagregory9147]

Most people I know are articulate, including myself. I detest maths, and also sport. Football is crap.

[@CurtRowlett]

I never tire of hearing Helen Joyce speak on this issue, as she is such a rational, logical voice and we need more people like her to speak out. Thank you Helen Joyce and thank you Andrew Gold for this very interesting discussion.

[@MariaWitlof]

Looking forward to read her book 'Trans', I just got it in the mail today 📬 also, damn, interesting channel!! Subscribed and shared! ❤

[@ivylagrone8632]

I have one thing to point out that the interviewer and interviewee stated that are inconsistent and poor argument. Helen said that if she looks back at history and finds that everyone thought that men could be women she knows she would still be right because it's based on objective truth. That's a perfectly good argument. Then her argument went off the rails a bit. Even if someone like Richard Dawkins said something is correct, that doesn't necessarily make what he claims true. His thoughts are not objective truth. Perhaps the evidence he uses is but his interpretation of that evidence is not. The trans activists aren't wrong because they are "like" those "crazy anti-vaxxers, etc." that's called a bogeyman fallacy. They are not wrong just because they can be associated or compared to another group you think is bad or wrong. That is not an objective standard. It's a bad argument tactic. In logic you must prove something is objectively wrong not due to "guilt by association". What would happen to your argument if it was proven that those "crazy" folks end up being correct about their claims?

[@pegm5937]

Love Helen Joyce. She's smart, down to earth, and knows her stuff. I hugely, HUGELY appreciate her having researched all of this so that, when I talk to my fellow gay/bi folks, and well-meaning straight folks, I have my ducks in a row. I understand the arguments and I can articulate why all of this is absurd. Thank you both for a funny and entertaining conversation.

[@jillgreenaway9688]

Great interview ! Helen Joyce has helped me to clarify my thoughts and beliefs regarding this topical and controversial subject. So a big thank you to you both.

[@Gitn2it]

I don't understand what Andrew means by saying he doesn't agree with Matt Walsh's politics. I think he may have more in common with Matt's politics than not.

[@artoflife22]

Gender=personality. That’s why there are infinite “genders”. These are language games.

[@JamesAlex88]

I remember going to Copenhagen Pride 2017, and being shocked to see the sight of parents with their children as young as 5, in the vicinity of adults wearing bondage gear, 1 woman was wearing a very large strap on. To be honest both men and women were wearing some obscene clothing, it just baffles me why parents would take their kids to such events.

[@scud69er]

They're not parents, they are enablers and should be investigated.

[@Metonymy1979]

Don't go to Japan. Penis parades. Don't go to America. Boobs out and fake balls on back of pick up trucks. Don't go to the beaches of Europe. Naked ladies. The thing is most kids don't know, don't care or it's normal so not sexualized like how adults would.

[@ruth4376]

It's because unfortunately the kink community are just another group trying to push their inclusion in real LGB and a lot of the gay community are just as appalled. An increasing number of LGB want to separate the 'TQI+++++' from their name because the LGB part just want to live their life and the other part of it is ruining it for them.

[@yaa63]

BRILLIANT INTERVIEW!!!!! WHAT A MIND!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS EPISODE!!!

[@JoelLessing]

The whole “everybody in Finland is in a sauna naked together” thing is more myth than reality. It’s like the similar trope that “All Swiss people have a gun in their house.” True in a sense, but not true in the sense as we would understand it. I had a friend who lived in Finland and the sauna’s in their gyms happened to be inside the (gendered) locker rooms. Public saunas usually involved a towel wrap; people are not parading about naked. Likewise, a military service revolver stored for reserve duty is not the same as “everybody had a handgun.”

[@ruth4376]

And Finnish people sauna-ing naked together are usually adult friends who trust and respect each other, just like you might skinny dip with your adult friends in a lake but you wouldn't do it at a public beach with crowds and children.