Liberal vs Conservative Lesbians | Middle Ground

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0:00 intro
0:34 The LGBTQIA+ community has moved too far to the left
16:08 I would date a trans woman
28:05 I don't understand how a lesbian can be conservative
40:04 Pride should be taught in classrooms
20:13 Lesbians can use he/him pronouns
49:05 Gay men are more socially accepted than lesbians

[@jubilee]

Unreleased prompt only on Patreon: bit.ly/3GrETBy “Pride should be taught in classrooms”

[@OpCzar]

Considering that the topic potentially deals with legislation and therefore could be tipping factor for both liberal and conservative sides, it's a pity that this was the one chosen to be paywalled.

[@WhyWorldWet]

Why is there always one loud outspoken Asshat or Biotch in these things lol. They should get red carded for being too aggressive and outspoken, and ruining the session. It’s low key bullying too.

[@ChristieinFlorida]

NO, pride should not be taught in classrooms. This should be up to the parents to teach them if they want. Children should only be worrying what toy they will play with next. You give these people an inch and they will take 10 miles.

[@aloe704]

Why are you doing this?

[@goodoldfashionedangel]

Yes, it should be taught. So should poc history.

[@ontherize28]

Attention Jubilee: Please work on including a professional moderator in these discussions. I’m tired of individuals dominating the debate and constant interruptions.

[@Indomita506]

It's not her fault some of them are weak spoken

[@andria8279]

@@Indomita506no it’s just about respect

[@lilyoh5780]

yes!

[@velocirizzo1850]

​@@Indomita506dumbest response

[@Indomita506]

@@velocirizzo1850 You can hate her all you want but at least she doesn't play victim card every 5 seconds as argument.

[@baraleguille]

Defining women as the "non-men" is the most misogynistic definition of a woman. Beauvoir already said it.

[@michaeljmyers1995]

correct me if im wrong: Its sexist because it takes their humanity away and individuality

[@viciouzvalentine4993]

its misandry too... want to step into masculine presentation, but hate men so much .... just smh....

[@rachelrobertson6570]

Exactly why is lesbianism now centred around men?

[@mel54556]

It also contradicts the entire point of lesbianism and makes 0 sense.

[@erenjaeger1738]

​@viciouzvalentine4993 These women are misogyny to themselves, and the same people complain about patriarchy but practice patriarchy themselves. They don't see the irony and see men always stay winning in sports and politics. These women have failed.

[@letstalkaboutit3195]

Funny how the ones who talked less (from both sides) are the ones who convinced me more

[@ritusharrmaa]

The way they call lesbians "non-men" infuriates me so much.

[@omarsinno2774]

They are not, they are calling people who are not men, non-men

[@ncrest4365]

@@omarsinno2774 then create a term for it. A triangular is non-square, a circle is non-square, a trapezoid is non-square, you get what I mean?

[@omarsinno2774]

@@ncrest4365 I get what you mean, but is it necessary? Take fruits for example, fruits that are not carrots are non-carrots, you cant really come up with a term for all the fruits that are not carrots. Ridiculous example I know but its the first thing that came to mind haha

[@ncrest4365]

@@omarsinno2774 Yes, it is necessary, because non-men is such a vague and broad term, it literally doesn't mean anything, and won't be taken seriously by anyone, much less trying to replace the word 'lesbian' with it. These extremist liberals gone overboard.

[@b1ak3]

You are clearly confused. In no way are they replacing the word lesbian with non men, they're referring to people who are NOT MEN as NON-MEN 😭 That's it.@@ncrest4365

[@mothmustardseed1858]

Two things that would improve this show substantially: 1. Include a moderator who prevents speakers from repeatedly interrupting others. 2. Provide “fact check” notes that appear onscreen so we can see what the speakers are referencing. I double Jubilee will do either, because they are driven by profit rather than a real desire to promote informative conversation.

[@showbizpizzafan66]

Fact checks would be amazing

[@all_corrupt_everything]

I would love it if they also kept the conversation more related to the prompt. Way too many tangents

[@kylieb5213]

They would have to actually produce facts, which is a problem rn

[@Random-sk6hm]

Actually they used to do both of these on older videos. They need to bring them back.

[@missknight9]

@@Random-sk6hmI agree. I think they wanted to keep it more organic, but it often just continues to devolve into chaos

[@licoriceow7535]

Y'all really need to do one with a group of americans and a group of non americans to confront them with reality outside of their country. It's sooooo necessary!

[@embracelifewithemily]

Yes

[@michaelturley3457]

Just curious, what do you think would come from it? In other words what do you think Americans need to be aware of from the outside perspective? I agree but in curious your perspective.

[@joannas8359]

YES

[@VoiceDivine]

Why? We’re allowed to discuss and fix the problems in our nation with outside affairs going on.

[@rshinsii]

you’d be shocked that we’ve got our OWN damn issues. bad.

[@CommanderLily]

I never believed i would be watching a debate between "conservative" lesbians and "liberal" lesbians and one of the participants would be Arielle Scarcella

[@rachelmazza4079]

I think LGB is very different than TQIA+. Lesbians, gay, and bisexual was about who you love and want to have sex with because that deviates from heterosexuality. The TQIA+ is about IDENTITY and who you ARE as a person. Neither is better or worse. But they are DIFFERENT

[@antsatianaravelonjatovo860]

I totally agree with you lol. Im a bisexuel and im tired of inclu. We need to gatekeep its like essential there is a reason why the community was made in the first place.

[@mariafausti3128]

@@antsatianaravelonjatovo860i can see where you’re coming from, but the community wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for the efforts of the community as a whole, especially trans people

[@h.m.bergman5185]

even lesbians and gay men don't have much in common anymore, in my experience alot of lesbians are really homophobic towards gay men

[@psycherevivedby]

@@mariafausti3128The efforts of trans people have been massively dramatised. The people who did most of the work are gay, lesbians and bisexuals.

[@sealin01]

lgb is how you identify too??

[@spiralpower2795]

Reducing women to “non-men” is so insane and offensive to me as a woman.

[@misspiscesdreamz]

💯 it's sickening

[@Johan-di6md]

Snowflake lmao.

[@xinweili8537]

Like “men” is their benchmark and everything else is defined around that? Patriarchy really stinks here

[@evilpuck6100]

Yep

[@chilltarts]

@@Johan-di6md way to be a misogynist! 👏🏽 please, tell me more 🤔

[@sanae2796]

How can you possibly be a lesbian if you don’t even classify yourself as a woman???!!!

[@mattiestewart8371]

THIS!

[@Uncannyreindeer]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 wholeheartedly agree as a lesbian

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

Because it gives them more oppression points from wokies

[@chung-jenweng6454]

😂by changing the definition of lesbian as well. Duh

[@shenanigans-jn9kr]

Because they’re so “open minded” that their brains are falling out

[@madyhatter17]

I loved listening to Julia. She was very respectful. I wish Jubilee had a moderator for all the interrupting.

[@zineb3351]

Julia is classy unlike some of the lesbians in the video

[@jasmineprophete540]

Agreed

[@kashdark4586]

Julia is not even a lesbian, she recently came out as straight and her fans hate her bc she was just pretending and monetizing being a lesbian, so… she is not respectful

[@natedog2014]

I still dont get how someone can be lesbian but not a woman?

[@noorlita]

cognitive dissonance is a ho

[@Al-jv7bv]

if somebody identifies as a lesbian or likes the term, let them, who cares

[@natedog2014]

@@Al-jv7bv usually I agree but lesbian is a specific term to represent a minority that deserves representation. By saying one can be this without actually identifying what it is you actually hurt those that do identify with it.

[@hydelefant]

Because for most likely a majority of people their sexuality has a lot to do with genital preference, I think it's an okay id in situations where the non-binary person is assigned female at birth and has not had bottom surgery (they still have female reproductive organs). Maybe they identified as lesbian before realizing their gender identity, and since people tend to stick to familiarity they might still want to id as lesbian. Especially if they use all pronouns or a she/they combination. But that's just how I view it, people have differing opinions.

[@theacroway2056]

@@hydelefantwhat about post op AMAB non binary lesbians you know there’s like 20 of them in the jtoh community

[@sarsoura8289]

Ngl, I’m absolutely infuriated by the “liberal” lesbians continually referring to women as “non-men.” Respectfully, my existence as a woman is not relative to men, in the same way that men’s existence is not relative to ours as women. I am a woman because I share specific biological, physiological, and social traits with a large group of people, who are all also women. These similarities would still exist even if men had never existed. Extremely misogynistic take on all these women’s part IMO. Shame on you.

[@ba3725]

Liberals started to plunge downhill when people started to not know how to define "woman" tbh, but it was already falling down quickly.

[@daisy1686]

That is disgusting.

[@sarsoura8289]

@@daisy1686 What is, dear?

[@jesusmywholehaschanged]

They're so progressive that they have regressed on so many issues.

[@RichardsGaySon]

Isn’t it misogynistic to suggest that men can “identify” as women

[@birthemuller7310]

I strongly reject the misogynistic implication that as a woman with PCOS I'm somehow intersex or less womanly. You literally can only have PCOS if you're a woman. Having higher T levels than other women doesn't change my sex, it doesn't make me intersex, and it doesn't make me less of a woman.

[@amde8554]

It’s really bizarre that they’re making that comparison

[@birthemuller7310]

@@amde8554 they're using every argument they can, no matter how phony or offensive

[@ba3725]

If you're an adult female, you're a woman, no insane group of people can ever make you less than when they're trying to mimic you. ❤

[@Random-sk6hm]

Wait I think you misunderstood that point. She wasn't saying that women with PCOS are intersex or less womanly etc. She was just pointing out that some women require hormones (for medical reasons etc.) and no one ever considers them to NOT be women. She was saying the exact opposite, she was saying you ARE a woman and that no one would ever invalidate you for that. I think it might have gotten confused cos she was listing multiple separate cases.

[@birthemuller7310]

@@Random-sk6hm I'm not a woman because I take estrogen, I'm a woman because I'm female.

[@RiverStiix]

How can you be a none-binary lesbian...? The word lesbian literally means to be female and to love and / or be sexually attracted to other females without attraction to males

[@Hellokitty_391]

Fr i think the better term would be neptunic(?)

[@RashmiiSiingh]

They change the definitions every week or so. I am just gonna stick with the real one.

[@Lensical]

To be fair, are you really checking each woman's chromosomes? Are you checking to see if each woman has a period? Are you checking to see if each woman can get pregnant to verify that they're female?

[@Lensical]

​@RashmiiSiingh Lmao. Prior to the 900s, the term Woman meant "Wife". If you were female but weren't someone's wife, you weren't a woman. The definitions of words can change and also adapt multiple definitions. "Real" is incredibly arbitrary here.

[@user-vt2vv9ny7u]

Arielle just stood up at the Trans Woman question to not let them speak alone

[@yolandaponkers1581]

Arielle didn’t stand up to or for anyone. She just kept interrupting with ad hominem attacks.

[@user-dn6fw1ss1c]

@@yolandaponkers1581she didn't come for their character or appearance, she just didn't agree. It's ok to speak freely if you're asked to come on a debate panel. Group think doesn't allow us to challenge our views or grow, and I think she's trying to contribute honest perspectives from the lesbian community. She's very passionate and very NYC so I think that may come off as rude when that may not be her intention.

[@cblynn8295]

Calling women "non-men" is so offensive

[@evepoole3966]

No it's not

[@ahogesupremacy]

but they're not men. is the english not clicking for you?

[@xanander4693]

@@evepoole3966💀

[@kenburns4017]

so you’re saying women are men ?

[@chatminou4058]

exactly. Im a woman. We don't call men non-women for the same reason unless were all just non-men and non-women. @@ahogesupremacy

[@tylerjakubowski9105]

THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE MEDIATION OVER PEOPLE CONSTANTLY INTERRUPTING OTHERS…. So annoying…

[@krieger1969]

Yeah I want to see an actual debate without personal feelings involved. And the passive aggression makes this so much harder to watch

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

Yes thank you

[@FabulousIcky]

I don't understand why Jubilee keeps inviting back Arielle. They KNOW how she behaves and what she does to the debate. It's definitely intentional at this point, and I want to understand why.

[@07sammm]

So true

[@MrsMockerman1011]

EXACTLY makes it impossible to watch

[@Batmanpooped]

This was exhausting. What a draining way to experience life.

[@chouaibsasmr]

Lmao I agree 😂😂😂

[@pencil6965]

Lol yes. Sometimes I just watch these videos to remind myself of how much I appreciate simplicity in life

[@adsones]

​@@pencil6965They would call us privileged for sure.

[@drpineapple41]

Referring to women as "non-men" can be seen as offensive for several reasons: Erasure of identity: The term "non-men" defines women solely in relation to men, rather than recognizing them as individuals with their own unique identities and experiences. It implies that men are the default or norm, while women are simply deviations from this norm. Reductive: Describing women as "non-men" reduces their identity to what they are not, rather than acknowledging their inherent worth and complexity as individuals. Inclusive language: Using terms like "non-men" to refer to women fails to recognize the importance of inclusive language that respects and affirms people's identities. It can make women feel marginalized and excluded from discussions about their own experiences and issues. Historical context: Women have long been marginalized and oppressed in many societies, and using language that reinforces this marginalization can be deeply hurtful and offensive.

[@mage758]

It would be interesting to see a conversation between lesbians and gay men.

[@waratah234]

would love to see a dialogue between lesbian men and gay women

[@felibarrabino7556]

@@waratah234?

[@mage758]

wtf is that@@waratah234

[@Venomenal91]

@@felibarrabino7556 exactly how I’m feeling 😂

[@RJonSaturn]

what would they talk about? they’re complete opposites when it comes to sexuality, lol

[@moodymullet]

Y’all need to have people reminded to not interrupt eachother

[@willow1698]

Interruptions are part of conversation. Tbh I don't mind it as long as people are able to fight for themselves in the conversation if they want their point heard. Maybe it's based on how each individual grows up.

[@ContrarianConcervativePNW]

My problem is how much they cut to favor their own views. I want middle ground and if it needs to be longer or split in 2 parts to get it, so be it. You will never really get a middle ground with this lazy cut method.

[@SamanthaDean1]

It’s a debate, they are supposed to do that to each other

[@moodymanda6225]

That’s what a debate/ heated topic conversation usually is Grow up

[@sandmonke21]

u need to be reminded to lose weight on the daily ngl

[@richarmand7940]

"Give me specifics." "That's privilege."

[@Cherokee92]

I think Arielle is the only person there who could walk forward in agreement and still turn the conversation into an argument

[@yolandaponkers1581]

Definitely. Such a combative and unproductive member of the discussion.

[@ramonamorris]

she’s exactly what this episode needed. nobody is safe to speak anymore nonsense when she is around 😂 period love to see it

[@kstar1489]

@@ramonamorrisshe’s just a hateful person. Just because you can be hateful doesn’t mean you should be.

[@NicolonCancer]

So if lesbian is non men loving non men… what is women loving women? Not all women want to be reduced to being “non men”

[@chung-jenweng6454]

😂eventually you guys would embrace the progress like wearing pants - their logic

[@yolandaponkers1581]

But no one is reducing you to any label you don’t feel comfortable with. The whole point of progress and change and expansion is to include others, not force anything on you. It’s not about you.

[@ChurrosAreSexy]

Including others does not mean you’re being excluded

[@anthonymc8361]

@@yolandaponkers1581 "it's not about you". Do you realize how ironic that sentence is?

[@galikafry8494]

Why does it heppen? Why is the gay community so busy fighting bigotry when it barely exist anymore in America? Being privileged isnt a curse

[@xDreamBiqx]

I don't get why they changed the definition of lesbian. Lesbian is women loving women. Its almost invalidating that they did that. Non-men loving non-men? the lgbtq+ community tries to be inclusive, yet we couldnt create new terms for those that don't identify as women, but love women/non-men

[@will506]

maybe to create confusion to take advantage of open minded, compassionate people that may be oblivious to the contradictions within the ideology

[@velatoget]

Creating new terms and changing definitions is how the entire gender topic exists. They just make things up and change things to get their narrative to work -- even though it doesn't work.

[@MsBlushing24]

It promotes the idea that men are the default.

[@Thereasonyoudontlikeme]

I’m confused asf with this comment

[@Victori.A1]

And there ARE terms for that. Non binary people only attracted to women are *trixic*. I really don't know why they insist that they are lesbians

[@michelle_9875]

That’s so crazy that the Latina lady doesn’t realize that a feminine a Latina woman experiences a different life than a black masculine female. Me a bisexual feminine presenting woman has entire different experiences than my masculine lesbian friend

[@ashleynicholson8019]

She came with a different agenda, she clearly has several bias that weren’t touched in this debate.

[@anon2427]

Lord have mercy

[@reeeeeeeeee4364]

wtf

[@GromDarkwater]

When you insert race in a topic where it doesnt belong you have lost the argument and all credibility.

[@YL6374.]

@@GromDarkwaterexactly

[@rosemaryazelton2734]

"They'd never take away gay marriage, that's not happening" ......do we not remember Roe v. Wade being overturned????

[@chri5ette2.0]

okay but let’s think realistically. they’re not going to make gay marriage illegal, it’s simply not going to happen. sure there’s ppl who want it to be illegal but it’s not gonna happen.

[@user-dn6fw1ss1c]

Does that have impact on gay marriage? Genuine question, I'm curious

[@reesespiecesss_]

i’m totally against roe v wade being overturned, but it’s not exactly a fair comparison since it is a fetus’ life compared to two people getting married.

[@shannon_w.]

I would love to see a middle ground with these younger lesbian women and older lesbian women. I would love to see what the older women think of where the community is now.

[@sulbamt7622]

SAME

[@thetillerwiller4696]

OMG YES!!!

[@theresas740]

We cannot believe this horseshit.

[@crewxp]

I don't think that would be as interesting as youd think lol. The older generation would probably School the younger

[@steph367]

@@crewxpwhich is why it would be interesting to

[@avar5976]

It’s really interesting how you can tell who participates in this to learn from each other and who participates to fight and put the other side down

[@CherryCupcakePie]

every conservative 😂 just here to yell their ‘truth’ at others

[@frishter]

@@CherryCupcakePie "My truth" is not a phrase that came from conservatives, sorry to tell you that.

[@emileemay3208]

@@CherryCupcakePiethe only one you could BARELY argue that with us Arielle…and even she was pretty open minded here. the liberal side though? there were two people who literally fought tooth and nail (and made up obscene lies) to prove their “truth”…not sure why you think conservatives were the one who came up with that saying but they’re not.

[@VoVina111]

@@CherryCupcakePie did .. did you watch the same video that we did? lol

[@michaelstimpfl9814]

@@CherryCupcakePie Everyone can have opinions, if the liberals can have an opinion, then why can't the conservatives? Every thing about the LGBTQ+ community is about acceptance.

[@Biggie123Fol]

Amber comes across as a privileged professional victim

[@arwroaming7477]

100%. Poor me poor me so annoying

[@jasmineprophete540]

Amber obviously is more aware and works on a board of seeing what we go through legally and it’s a lot to experience. I’m not surprised she feels so much emotional turmoil because she’s in it so deeply

[@Biggie123Fol]

@@jasmineprophete540 Spoken like a true professional victim!

[@p4nd4b01]

Do you label everyone with whom you disagree as "victim"?

[@teenasty369]

It was difficult to watch.

[@splash8239]

guys pamela was saying some incredible things, turn her mic up

[@maddistories]

i miss the days in which participants hugged each other cause they actually found middle ground. these days it’s just a debate :(

[@tessaelto1472]

fr it's honestly just almost aggressive from the beginning when they should be coming in open to a *middle ground*

[@tanishapark6314]

Yes but for me a very thought provoking debate

[@imabitch222]

That's the whole point dummy, if everyone came to hug each other...we would def know who the lesbians are

[@WhyWorldWet]

Agreed. One Asshat always ruins it for the rest. They should get red carded and booted off after two or three warnings. Everyone looked upset and sad, that she just ruined the whole episode. It would have flowed so much better if they would have removed that one girl.

[@annafrancescachereches754]

sadly the episodes with the screaming matches get the most views more likely.... I wish they would cut out the bits where people interrupt eachother, like thats not what I'm here for...

[@kawehionalani3957]

As a total outsider, the problem seems to be language. Words are getting re-defined causing chaos.

[@Foob2TheR]

Americans are all very lucky they weren't born in the Middle East. So lucky that they create their own struggles just so other's can feel bad for them.

[@slsthewriter1299]

I HAVE LITERALLY BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS. So much of our issues as a whole is just…it's language. People get confused over what others are trying to say, but they only have their own experiences to fall back on, so it just ends up in this constant loop.

[@endeavor1664]

Language is the root of it for sure, but the problem now is that they’re using these new definitions to justify invading spaces that used to be just for lesbians or just for women

[@LittlestLilly]

But words like "they/them" as singular pronouns have been used for centuries already. That hasn't been redefined - more people are just being exposed to it and don't seek to learn.

[@Tiffany-bd1eb]

I feel like social media has made it worse. Online bubbles aside, never in our history have we been looking at and communicating by written text so much.

[@bla__berries]

Arielle is so infuriating omfg

[@dorothiemorris8142]

I feel like we deserved regular lesbians.. lol not social media influencers or women in the spotlight. How about political women or regular blue collar women that we who are watching this can relate too

[@madisonjolie1224]

I think that they should make sure everyone on the panel gets to talk before people who already spoke do so again.

[@will506]

that’s too restrictive for a productive debate. arielle just needs a little more patience and to avoid interrupting them

[@RorysStory84]

Agreed, if I wanted to know how Ariel felt about everything question I’d go to her channel. It’s unfortunate that we didn’t get to hear as much from the other guests.

[@alice2923]

OR people should learn to speak up.

[@madisonjolie1224]

@@alice2923 💀

[@WhyWorldWet]

100% “You had your turn, STFU”

[@JamieBrickett]

Saying you’re not a women and you’re lesbian is insane😭

[@Michigander30]

When I first looked up the definition of lesbian, it was "the female act of homosexuality." So, if Nazreen's biological sex is female and they only like females, then they can be a lesbian.

[@missandry2669]

@@Michigander30She’s a woman a delusional one

[@aspebb]

​@@Michigander30But they don't identify as a woman, though. It feels like a one or the other.kind of thing.

[@Michigander30]

@@aspebb I'm talking about biological sex, not gender identity. Homosexuals are same-sex attracted.

[@katie7513]

@@aspebbbecause gender ≠ sex. they are female but they identity as non hinary

[@slythewicked9403]

Bruh, this chick that keeps saying people are privileged is the most privileged person on the panel.

[@samanthamontano1631]

How are you a lesbian if you don’t identify as a woman? 🎯

[@hhall7193]

“Non-men”. How are you going to make the definition of woman completely androcentric? 😂 I can’t believe I’m alive to watch lesbians and likely self-proclaimed feminists essentially asserting that men and the default, and women are ‘other’.

[@misspiscesdreamz]

It's ridiculous!

[@dudeorduuude5211]

They are undoing all the hard work of the generations before them.

[@ameyorin]

Simone de Beauvoir is rolling in her grave!

[@switzjon8405]

You don't have to in this community to know ANY human walking the planet knows women are non men

[@MsAussieSheila]

whilst claiming "patriarchy".. um these "non men" are the patriarchy, not actual men.

[@Yungkingstonn]

Amber talking about "privilege" when her father is a literal millionaire LOL

[@eat.food.not.friends]

But she doesn't have "white privilege"! In my case "white privilege" means that I grow up with an alcoholic father, and literally no money, in a very small flat. But somehow I have more privilege than her because she's black!?

[@edricducusin8993]

Damn

[@jordanweber3381]

You're allowed to have privilege and also acknowledge privilege. We also don't know what was edited out.

[@mcwompwomp]

@@jordanweber3381mental gymnastics

[@Yungkingstonn]

@@jordanweber3381 She didn't acknowledge her own privilege, she played victim and acted like everyone else in the room had more privilege than her. She's out of touch.

[@Teez_well]

16:35 Calling sexuality a genital preference is disgusting and I’m glad Arielle called her out.

[@once.upon.a.time.]

I think it's fine if it makes you personally uncomfortable but it doesn't make other people uncomfortable and they prefer using it. I don't think there should be a problem with using the language that you are comfortable using to describe things like that.

[@jasmineprophete540]

well if you bring up genitals then it’s a genital preference

[@Teez_well]

@@jasmineprophete540oh so as long as I don’t bring it up, then it’s fine? I can still reject str8 women that wanna cosplay as gay men?

[@Teez_well]

@@once.upon.a.time.I’m not uncomfortable with vajays. That’s not the point. I just don’t want anything sexually to do with them.

[@sai6118]

​​@@Teez_wellnobody is gonna break your door down at night because you rejected someone lol

[@yuenmwjh4343]

Thank you Becky and Kennedy, very well spoken people

[@mariesindlerova9663]

Amber: Detransitioners are just soo small percentage of people we should not talk about it...also Amber: It does not matter if intersex people are only 1% we should acknowledge it in the topic

[@Bionic_Webb]

That part irritates me so bad she a hypocrite

[@motleyminded85]

Even if 1% of the trans population ends up detransitioners (the number is actually higher), there are thousands upon thousands in the USA alone, and they don't deserve to be invalidated and have their experiences/trauma swept under the rug. We can't fix problems if we refuse to acknowledge them.

[@mikavargas1749]

well 2% of the WORLD population is intersex so like… 13.5 million or smth? and less than 1% of trans people have de transitioned so like… 2 thousand? i feel like that’s a large large different ..

[@reeceassify]

​@@motleyminded85exactly or the numbers will grow. Not to many religious parents were taking their kids to camps to stop being gay but when few did it more and more ended up doing it so yes by not acknowledging the problem only makes it worse.

[@shani5345]

And LGBTQ + is a very small percentage of the population. I guess she is discrediting her community.

[@gracieshelly5908]

“I believe in freedom of speech” then proceeds to cut off or interrupt any person who disagrees with her 😭

[@JamesJones-tl4yy]

You don't understand freedom of speech

[@rams812]

How are those things related?. She's not telling them they can't say things. She's just rude. So again, how are they related?

[@JamesJones-tl4yy]

@rams812 lol use your critical thinking skills. Put yourself in another's shoes.

[@rams812]

@@JamesJones-tl4yy maybe find a brain first and actually answer my question. Interrupting and cutting off doesnt counter believing in freedom of speech. Just means your rude and carry an inability to wait. Doesnt take too much critical thinking to see that, but maybe you lack any level of thinking

[@nicolemarlin6900]

That’s the conservative way!

[@CommanderLily]

to the liberal lesbians: when they talk about what is a LESBIAN WOMAN they seem they forgot the term LESBIAN comes from Lesbos, a Greek island, in reference to the poems of Sappho, a poetess from Lesbos, who spoke of romantic feelings between women that's why all what is related to women attracted and loving to other women is known as sapphic too.

[@amandapatino1352]

I think Julia was the most respectful of all. She exoressed herself calmly and she addressed all points of view. Bravo to her 🌷🩷

[@Blueeyesinthesky]

I feel like it’s important to be respecting the “base” sexes. To basically call women “non-men” and making this stuff based around men is def misogynistic.

[@Momo-po5tn]

They dont respect them, thats why

[@danishamcclendon]

That was my thought too like ,why are we centering men with our identity.

[@eritakahashi1765]

Genuinely curious, are men considered anything non women? Just such a crazy way to talk, I really don't understand this and how non binary fits into this

[@nao_directioner3191]

no because they are some non binary persons who are gay and say that it's non women loving non women

[@katie7513]

@@eritakahashi1765yes men fit into the category of non women

[@KantuMutaka]

How tf is one a 'non-binary' LESBIAN???? Being a Lesbian means you are a woman therefore binary. I think such identification should be an indication that one needs help.

[@PearlAnn-os6en]

It's... It's... It's that persons own identity leaven them tf alone

[@MichaelsInCharge]

I'm finding myself agreeing with the conservative lesbians. The lefts stance is mind blowing to me.

[@yolandaponkers1581]

There’s a reason for that. It’s because Jubilee has a covert conservative slant that they’re attempting to pass off as seeking the reasonable middle ground.

[@Bungycb]

@@yolandaponkers1581 it’s the opposite. Jubilee like most if its audience are liberal. Just look at the conservatives they bring in for other debates

[@LuagoNosLivros]

we're all. the lefts have gone delulu.

[@katara9]

I love that Pamela spoke up about language being the main divider in these topics. It points out, in my opinion, that we may be more similar in our thoughts than we think, but that language is what divides us. It's often what divides generations, it's what makes it hard for us to understand each other.

[@cel.2263]

yeah, but i feel like they were wrong to dismiss to "it's just language" that divides them. language is HUGE. my main issue with the liberals is how they fail to explain how being inclusive on languages can translate to being inclusive on rights and acceptance. if you don't explain how those are related, than it becomes a discussion without any impact.

[@summermoore7707]

Great point. The laws vs acceptance conversation was a big takeaway from this video. It seems they found middle ground on need for acceptance, but not legislature. Excellent mention of a forgotten conversation from the leftists that may have connected the two for the conservatives. I think there was an attempt when protection was brought up. I'd love to see this group react to the LGBTQIA+ Christian middle ground from last month. Religious freedom/our country being based on christian ideals being the cause of lack of protection/laws would have been an interesting prompt here.@@cel.2263

[@animezae]

@@cel.2263and it’s really not JUST language. It’s the actions that stems from and influences the language that also poses issue.

[@THEalishahnator3000]

​@@animezaewho was pamela thoo??

[@angelazsz]

@@cel.2263great reply!

[@ellixrose2650]

I consider myself progressive, but I think we're going in the wrong direction when words stop having meanings.

[@FatalCroissant]

What do you mean?

[@meganw-w3725]

100%!!!

[@madalasorgente]

.

[@youtubeposter3814]

@@FatalCroissantThat the word woman has no inherent meaning, being defined only as people who identify as it. That extreme of inclusivity causes the word to lose virtually all of its descriptive power.

[@kn7833]

​@youtubeposter3814 are you scared people won't know your gender ? Or are you scared that people who don't look like you identify as the same gender as you? If so how does that negatively impact you ?

[@simoneworsley6882]

These 'Conservative' lesbians are not even Conservative they are moderate Liberal women. To call them Conservative is unjustified. They are completing sensible, sensitive human beings

[@antoniusgrave1348]

I think the goal of the lgbt community is to no longer have to segregate themselves as a community and be accepted as a social norm that people no longer argue for or against. Basically the community is fighting to no longer have to justify their existence.

[@omnium_gatherum]

When someone brings up intersex like it's some kind of gender identity instead of a biological reality for those individuals, it's just so incredibly disrespectful and ignorant 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@alisonmercer5946]

the amount of destranstioners or unhappy with their transition is more than one percent. Those one percent are warped

[@alisonmercer5946]

idk why i said that under your comment because it has nothing to do with what u said

[@omnium_gatherum]

@@alisonmercer5946 😂 no worries

[@endeavor1664]

@@alisonmercer5946 it is somewhat related because Amber tried to claim there are more intersex people than detransitioners which is simply not true! She was just using them as a pawn for her nonsensical argument

[@TIRFemcel]

​@@endeavor1664 Nope, there are about 5.6 million intersex people in the US alone which is more than total people who identify as trans in the US which is around 1.6 million, according to some studies up to 8% of that are detransitioners, combined by 3% of people who detransitioned at the time of the survey and 5% of people who had done so in the past, safe to assume that detransitioning numbers are not only low, but also most people who detransition continue transitioning later on. Source: google

[@destinymanns4890]

I don’t think Arielle is always necessarily wrong but her delivery is… like you can get your point across without being aggressive and rude

[@Indomita506]

Compare to Amber who doesn't have any arguments

[@cindybarretto]

I think sometimes there need to be aggressive conservatives just like there are so many aggressive liberals that have caused people to lose jobs and worry about their lives.

[@biasantos1405]

I mostly strongly agreed with what she said and I thought the same, her delivery comes as aggressive even though that may not be the intention.

[@hellixodev]

yea. same thing with Blaire White. The mean girl attitude can be entertaining for videos where you're on your own. but in a real life setting, the whole 'gotcha' thing is so insufferable and counterproductive.

[@01neveroddoreven10]

@@LalaDepala00This is Middle Ground though, the whole point is to be open minded and hear the other side out, not to do gotcha's and be aggressive about your viewpoints. There is a way to express your opinions and facts respectfully like pretty much everybody but those two did.

[@Strawberrymustard]

I do not understand why they are only talking from a first world view perspective. when she asked what laws are against LGBT they just said that they were talking about america why are they only talking about america? Why dont we talk about the laws at afghanistan where its ILLEGAL to be LGBTQ or from where I from Turkey I cannot open up about my sexuality. This issue is so much deeper than they realize

[@LaSantaPatrona]

Americans are very self centered people and they definitely don’t care about you and your problems because the world revolves around them. When you guys start trending on X or Facebook that’s when they’ll for sure chime in and start giving their opinions. They’re pushing sooo far ahead without even thinking or caring bout who they leave behind. While they can stay in their country and bicker over pronouns, people lose their lives in other countries because as you say, they can’t even open up publicly about that.

[@doctorsree]

bc this jubilee debate is in context of america, not other countires

[@yb32]

Amerikalılar başka ülkelerin yasalarından haberdar değil, genel olarak dünyanın geri kalanından kopuklar. Çoğu da dünyanın en iyi ülkesinde yaşadıklarından emin ve başka ülkelerdeki hak ihlallerini bileseler de umursamıyorlar. En özet cevap bu :)

[@aubreygross6908]

Also bc the debate was about conservatives and lesbians in america. When other countries were mentioned they all agreed that things need to change there but thats not the issue they were discussing and thats other countries where they cant vote for the laws in other countries

[@Strawberrymustard]

@@aubreygross6908 was it mentioned somewhere? Genuinely

[@pb-rw8ot]

I feel like we can disagree without being rude 😭😭😭

[@wumbo277]

It's so crazy growing up watching Amber and Arielle on KZbin back in the OG lesbian KZbinr days seeing them go on so many trips together, filming videos together, and having the same friend group, to becoming so distant and not on speaking terms anymore.

[@katecollins2471]

Was Arielle always so annoying?

[@dafnev3643]

@@katecollins2471 As far as i know yes, she was unhinged and not for beign conservative, its that she took it so far that it become what she criticize (irony)

[@angelazsz]

@@katecollins2471yea she was in a past video and was very annoying too lol

[@babsywoman4212]

​@@katecollins2471I like her. She is just passionate.

[@JakobTennisMB]

I think they're both at fault. As a moderate, some of Arielle's positions are a little extreme and her behavior is sometimes a little hostile and erratic, but Amber's opinions are also totally unhinged sometimes. They both just changed for the worse, I think.

[@sweetlolitaChii]

The term "non-men" needs to go out the back door. Somebody escort it, please.

[@carlosperalta1714]

Take it behind the shed too

[@sambatra6162]

frr

[@user-bt8si6kw9o]

Why should it? a lesbian is a non men loving a non men.

[@Amatureb]

No way I'm 'escorting' it. That term doesn't deserve that respect. I'm grabbing it by the collar and chucking it outside.

[@sevenheavens-gj9qq]

Agreed.

[@Carla-dh8ve]

Arielle is so disrespectful dismissing everyone, interrupting everyone and then making everything about herself.

[@yolandaponkers1581]

She acted like a bratty middle schooler.

[@pastaisgood6681]

I like her

[@SavvyMuhon]

Normally I like Arielle, but she was acting wayyyy too aggressive and insufferable in this episode. Like girl you are not making your side look better

[@tabbymoonshine5986]

@pastaisgood6681 you're allowed to have bad judgment of character. She's a vile bigot who's grifting and making her money from fear mongering and whipping up hate against trans people.

[@Sara_lfc-22]

But she wasn’t wrong tho…. She just was too rude with what she was saying

[@orangefavcolorbih]

what's privilege is being comfortable enough with your birth sex that all you really want is to style yourself differently and assume new pronouns to affirm your identity, meanwhile putting yourself under the same umbrella of 'trans' as people who are uncomfortable enough with their birth sex that they seek medical intervention to fix it and may never reach their goal of passing even though it's basically crucial for their quality of life to even be measurable tbh.

[@leviolson3977]

I didn’t like Ambers “you’re privileged” attacks. Her statements were being questioned and she immediately dismissed it as not being able to understand/privileged. It came across as some sort of superiority complex.

[@danielled.2169]

it's a defense mechanism to try and "check" the other person. In order to have an opinion, one must first humble themselves and go through some struggle session.

[@jayterra2060]

@@danielled.2169it’s rehashing CRT theory. Not a test. Intersectionalism is a hallmark of what kids are learning now.

[@TheVerucAssault]

Also she's not underprivileged if her father was an American football player. Just checking out her mom looks white, not Hispanic which makes the whole "you present differently than me" thing laughable. Here's hoping people like her that still fling this word around see the error in their mental gymnastics and put more of their time into something that logically makes sense instead of participating in Oppression Olympics.

[@15jewjew]

The problem is she has a darker skin complexion and a course texture. She's gonna be more of a target than someone who looks white at first glance. Things are a bit more complicated, but at it's core I think that's what she was getting at.

[@racheljane_]

It is. This whole worldview doesn’t deal with actual arguments, it focuses on deflecting and diminishing people depending on what class they are in.

[@babybecz]

I think its wild that some people want to say they dont like labels yet all they seem to do is label themselves

[@SuperKat1100]

Best comment

[@Night_Sirenn]

Yea bc there’s more fluidity and openness to express oneself nowadays

[@r-ex2945]

And Label people who do not follow their ideas :p.

[@shani5345]

Exactly what I said!

[@Night_Sirenn]

@@r-ex2945 does not negate the fact that it’s a net positive for people to have the language to express themselves lol

[@user-ki3qf7mw3m]

I only have patience for Arielle Scarcella on x1.5 speed

[@harleyivy3463]

Thank you Pamela! When it comes disability rights our movement is often forgotten!

[@braydendukes6633]

Also, Becky at 24:00 did something I literally have seen hardly no one do, understand someone else's point. This how you know Becky is being humble and genuine in this conversation. She was actually willing to think through someone else's point and say she understands their point

[@RalvA101]

thats what I was thinking too, I definitely dont agree with her but at least she was willing to listen to what the others had to say lmao

[@ChampionShogo]

Beckys the only person here that speaks with any coherence whatsoever.

[@courtneymcphilbin1484]

Becky is a Queen. Love her points of view and her empathy and understanding!

[@ananananumumumumu3706]

bare minimum

[@sad_vegan507]

I like Becky she’s got swag 👏🏼

[@KLCeup]

Amber screaming about privilege whilst having a multimillionaire father is sending me Edit: YES there are different forms of privilege. NO she is not a victim of them.

[@JULSIEK]

who is her father?

[@JR_Donofrio]

@@JULSIEKthat’s what I want to know

[@nicola19cola100]

Omg does she lmao

[@KLCeup]

She’s the daughter of a professional football player.

[@themichiganderlesbians]

having privilege doesn’t mean you don’t experience bad things, having privilege means you aren’t disadvantaged by what you’re not. amber is the only person in the room who is a black and masc, all of the other women have a privilege that they don’t face oppression for that. amber has privilege bc she’s rich, they’re all privilege bc they’re able bodied, and attractive. but all of them do not have the privilege of being heterosexual. you get it now?

[@maryclairefoley8675]

As a masc presenting older Gen Z lesbian who was openly a lesbian at the age of 12/13, I have NEVER experienced discrimination. Maybe I’ve heard some rude comments online, but that’s it. I’m a masculine, lesbian woman, in a male dominated field (engineering) and my colleagues and peers have never made me feel any different. I wasn’t even ridiculed in 8th grade! No one batted an eye.

[@Val-rd4lb]

To grow you have to have your mind open and actually be listening

[@jennam8401]

'would you date someone with male genitals?' 'I am progressive so I am open-,minded' - to be 'progressive' now do we need to be open to all people sexually? Why can't we just be attracted to who we want to be? Wasn't that the mantra of the LGBT community in the first place? Feels we have come full circle.

[@shacharrachmany1102]

That's because a lot of people nowadays got rid of the idea of borders completely to the degree that you're not allowed to make definitions because if the definition of something is X that means you "exclude" anything that isn't X. Men SHOULD be excluded from women spaces tho for example. There is a great book about that and more by Thomas Sowell called 'Discrimination and Disparities'.

[@DasRaetsel]

Listen to Julia at 17:21. She addresses exactly what you are saying in that you can be progressive while also having a preference. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

[@dudeorduuude5211]

"Progressive" is sneaky, false advertising. These people aren't progressive, they are religious. They preach, shame, try to annoyingly convert, pearl clutch, and have a limited dogma they follow. It isn't moving forward, it is too culty for that.

[@LeviShawando]

@@DasRaetsel Disagree. If you say you're a lesbo but then date guys, by definition you're not a lesbo but bisexual. Being open-minded doesn't give you license to contradict.

[@6thgraderfriends]

@@LeviShawandoRight? There are already words and definitions for the stuff they're doing. It's not new to be bisexual or pansexual, just say you're that if that's what you are.

[@sydney2833]

i wish jubilee would start platforming every day ppl instead of influencers/ socialites

[@emoyunho]

no literally arielle has been on here before and shes so infuriating

[@ElKnoppers]

​@@emoyunho why?

[@user-fi2yx7gz4n]

@@emoyunhowho is that??

[@LimitedEditioneo]

I don’t think non-influencers are ready to take on the backlash that comes from this.

[@jinx724]

I'd love it tbh, I would love to write an essay or do a video anything so they could start picking ppl who are more based and don't have a platform

[@BrothaJeff]

‘Accepting everyone’ except people that don’t agree with you.

[@Jessekuuh]

So happy to see Amber and Julia,.. I loved watching these two in the better KZbin days!!!!

[@geniewishes4823]

I hate how whenever you bring up detransitioners all of a sudden the liberals don’t believe in supporting everyone

[@LiberalsRuinEverything.]

They’re the BIGGEST hypocrites.

[@summerm4911]

bc half the time it's irrelevant, detransitioners make up such a small percentage and cmiiw most of the time they detransition is due to societal pressure, no acceptance from family and problems with money

[@danielsmith7324]

@@summerm4911except that’s objectively false.

[@elslav96]

⁠@@summerm4911by that standard trans people themselves are such a small pecentage of the population. detransitioners are a percentage within a percentage, let's not dis count them.

[@edgarzavaleta-munoz2904]

Depends on why you bring up such a specific group of people. Is it to invalidate trans people? Or do you actually have a point?

[@ClaireSamuelsVA]

40:41 If pronouns don’t equal your gender, how does using the wrong pronouns misgender someone?

[@ana..a.]

thats what im saying bro these people dont even know what theyre talking abt yet say how theyre more educated in all these topics 💀😭😭

[@Momo-po5tn]

Girl the delussssion

[@ebbypetes]

Confusion of the highest order 😂😂😂😂😂

[@sunnyl8276]

💯

[@ShaawtyB]

Yo 💯😂😂😂

[@elsie384]

Why tf are they saying “intersex humans” instead of “intersex people”?? Why was that verbage corrected?

[@milktea-xb6gq]

Probably for the animal-kin, animal-self pronoun, furry folk...

[@ziraminaaa]

THERE ARE SO MANY LETTERS IN LGBTQIA FOR A REASON !!! YOU ARE NOT A LESBIAN IF U DONT USE she/her loving a she/her if you are non binary but female then stick to your gender idenity and leave the lesbians alone and use another letter people dont like us bc OF THOSE PEOPLE!!! YOURE SAYING YOUR MORE ACCEPTING WHEN TAKING AWAY THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF CATORGIZING (so people know who we are) i cant even say im a lesbian anymore bc no one knows wtf it means -a lesbian

[@jp6846]

okay, someone help me understand: - your name does not define your gender - your clothes/hair/makeup does not define your gender - your pronouns do not define your gender but - gender is expression??? Then how can someone referring to you as a different name or pronouns, or categorizing you differently based on their understanding of gender, invalidate your gender? What makes your gender valid? Does your entire identity hinge on other people's validation and approval of your expression without question? That seems...unhealthy.

[@arashf6094]

They wont admit it but essentially they believe very hardly on gender stereotypes to validate their gender.

[@miaseb9009]

This is a really great question, here’s just my point of view on the topic: gender expression and gender validity are all about the individual person. Someone’s personal name, pronouns, or clothing choices do not define THIER specific gender, but rather their own gender identity is how they personally determine it to be through self discovery, and it is up to the people around them to decide whether or not they will respect how that person wishes to be viewed and referred to as. I hope this made sense and provided some clarity. Overall, I personally have come to an understanding that if people are not harming anyone else, then do things like clothing, pronouns, gender, or sexuality labels really matter THAT much just to release more negative energy towards people? If we all are just living side by side with respect for one another then I think we are doing pretty okay :)

[@TCakes]

It is unhealthy. The reason this nonsense even gained so much traction is social media. I guarantee you that it never would have been a thing if constant external validation wasn’t at your fingertips 24/7

[@kn7833]

The answer is its different for everyone. And the more we realize that there are so many variations and combinations of humans maybe you and others will explore (and accept) your own variations.

[@taechimyoonkookie8647]

Bingo!

[@thinkhaven7902]

‘Non men liking non men’. Wow. The amount of hate you have to feel to erase the term woman from the definition of lesbians.

[@_______5345]

I mean gay folk would just be considered non women liking non women. How exactly is that hateful and who twords?

[@LibraTransitioned]

I don't think that's hate. From a non-binary lesbian here.

[@awoooga5857]

​@@_______5345I would slap anyone that refers to me as a nonwoman.

[@pyrettablaze4325]

@@_______5345 because it’s typically just women who have their vocabulary erased

[@Bigtiddygandalf]

@@_______5345since when is “gay folk” a non woman

[@fridastwin]

Becky!!! You need your own show!!! ❤️❤️❤️

[@jaywill904]

This was truly amazing and eye opening 👏👏👏

[@aaronmargerum5745]

Christians, Jews, and Muslims. I’d love to see a Middle Ground with all the Abrahamic religions

[@secularbabe]

That’s gonna be one crazy video lol

[@faeezparkar9731]

We are done with abhramic religions, want to see more eastern religions now

[@hair4571]

@@faeezparkar9731 eastern religions aren’t really controversial so there won’t be much drama there

[@erenjaeger1738]

They did like few years ago

[@camm8642]

Oh dear....

[@MaricianDedeauxBrown]

People come to these “debates” unprepared. If you want an honest debate, come with facts, data, and stats.

[@kayhaich]

Stats and "facts" can be challenged...I don't think anyone tunes into Jubilee that anyway, sounds really boring.

[@Isa-vi5hh]

Yes, that's basically arguing

[@anonymousbo0318]

​@kayhaich 😂 🤡. Just admit, you're outclassed, and you're discussing things you don't even understand, child.

[@lemax4277]

Assuming this is supposed to be a debate and not just what can you both agree upon to count as middle ground. If this is supposed to be a debate then I agree people should start using their own sources to back themselves up even if it’s going to be challenged. Problem is no matter what statistics you show others will claim that their personal experiences outweighs the statistics sometimes.

[@Strange9952]

It's very difficult to do that because then someone would not have read those facts and data and had not come to their conclusions on it facts are facts, what you conclude from those facts is not decided yet, especially in social sciences and whatnot

[@jonny8434]

Oh dear, I'm not sure of her name, but the girl with dreads is too far in the Liberal wormhole.

[@Valiant.Unicorn]

Very interesting perspectives ladies ❤🦋🦄

[@nonmorto3563]

I’ve followed a few of these women online for some years from both sides, that being said none of them came across as very politically literate. I think a problem in a lot of these jubilees is they always choose influencers and content creators instead of people that actually know what they are talking about.

[@djgeneralbounce]

I understand why they choose content creators because its a KZbin show and content creators are essential to bring in the viewers. But they choose far too many that have barely lived a life outside the online and/or activist space.

[@harley656]

yeah it’s true. i’ve tried to go onto one a couple years ago and you had to have a minimum follower amount on instagram lol

[@once.upon.a.time.]

@@harley656 that's nuts!

[@Popartastic]

I'm a tired lesbian. (tired of terfs)

[@sagen06]

So quit?

[@korneliaklamann8743]

real

[@korneliaklamann8743]

@@sagen06 quit what?

[@kleomarx8390]

ask @Jessica Kirson

[@yourlocallesbian6448]

I'm a tired lesbian too tried of the LGBTQ

[@CaseyTsou]

What really gets me is the conservatives saying that just because laws are put in place doesn't mean people have to follow them, and then they don't understand that laws don't really provide equal rights to gay people. Also saying straight couples also have issues with adopting but not acknowledging that it's not because of their sexuality is so ignorant. In Sasha's own words, "Make it make sense."

[@BizQAC]

File a complaint if someone’s not following the law. Sue. Just because a gay person gets denied adoption doesn’t mean it’s BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY!!! If it were they can sue but they don’t, why? Probably because they don’t qualify. Maybe they have a arrest record, too many psychological issues in their history, bad credit, etc stop assuming people care so much

[@keelyrey64]

A lesbian is a biological FEMALE that is interested sexually & romantically in other biological FEMALES. Period.

[@FreenBeckyFB]

SPEAK! Lesbianism is male exclusive and no lesbian is attracted to males & no male could ever be a lesbian Anyone who thinks otherwise is lesbophobic and disgusting

[@Christa.steiner7]

“My sexuality has nothing to do with the way I believe our government should be spending our taxes.” This I LOVE

[@catheroni]

I loved this. I'm not particularly conservative but this idea that because of our sexuality we should have a rigid set of beliefs and act in a certain way, is absolutely ridiculous.

[@ELmayberry]

yesss 👏🏽👏🏽

[@gingerelle1]

It does if those tax dollars are spent creating legislation for hate groups to masquerade their tirade against queer people (see: Florida and its Don't Say Gay legislation".

[@mojochay]

But it does when it directly funds things that harm us and/or does not fund to help us whatsoever even when we need it

[@Kiidomaru]

Wait when was this? Timestamp?

[@muffinszss]

Julia was probably the most level-headed and respectful person here.

[@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay]

She wasn't the most level headed. But she was definitely respectful.

[@a.cdiamonds8370]

Nah Becky was the most level headed

[@gomoestas]

Loved her❤

[@marvinmiller2983]

I think Becky and Pamela were more level-headed and respectful than her, but she was the most respectful on the liberal side.

[@romanistagio6991]

I didn't understand her point when she said that men have it harder because is misogyny and the expectation to be "more butch" ? If someone who understood can explain what she meant ?

[@lillianpilto2377]

Different experiences does not mean you don’t possess unalienable rights. People are responsible for their own experiences, and in America your rights are unalienable. The way someone presents and conducts themselves with those rights is their responsibility, not the governments. Don’t abuse your rights if you don’t like the consequences.

[@arigoodfriend1762]

that one conservative woman was so openly rude, Jubilee be better at choosing your candidates plz

[@Spoolingturbski]

Amber: You are privileged….. Sasha: How we have the same rights… Amber: I have a list of things Sasha: Share them now Amber: You’re not listening Umm what? Lol

[@ItsPlaytimeVR]

I took it as she just wants her to agree with her in that moment

[@heatherkate93]

@@callmebyyourname2015there are no examples.

[@JeyC_]

​@@callmebyyourname2015 with how "liberals"(which is far leftists in reality, not really liberal anymore) are today now, Jubilee not finding the "best liberal" is inevitable

[@oo7tease]

The NEVER provide examples they just make these spurious claims, then check out, amp up the anger , become abusive

[@deega6285]

Who is The?

[@abcelu]

Arielle is the type of person who comes for a debate and thinks she's gonna win rather than trying to reach a middle ground

[@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay]

She seemed very reasonable & level headed.

[@1love847]

Her tone of voice is completely grating on my nerves.

[@symuelleleones]

She's fed up to all these new rules and nonsensical ideas.

[@meowy4720]

Who even cares about a "middle ground"? That's not the point of debating.

[@AmalSaidi123]

@@Sunshine-is_here_to_staynot when she brought up palestine

[@wiscovirgo]

EDIT: i just watched a more recent video from a month ago, i saw they added a moderator, thankful for that !!! what i will say about these middle ground is there definitely needs to be a moderator. i feel like half of these videos are just people shouting over each other and no real discussions are taking place.

[@paradisekii7706]

Well trans is not a sexually. You can be trans and be straight.