Open Bar #21 - Prey Discussion, Warner Bros Bloodbath, Rings of Power Activism

Join me, MauLer, HeelvsBabyface, Disparu and Fringy as we discuss the pros and cons of Prey, the massive cancellations at Warner Discovery, and the latest insanity from Rings of Power.

[@RobAryeeArc]

0:00 Intros 3:49 Prey Movie 8:32 AZ joins 13:07 Back to Prey - MauLer's Take 14:37 Fringy's Take 15:58 Disparu's Take 16:37 AZ's Take 18:40 Mr.Drinker's Take 20:41 Prey - General Discussion 1:18:28 Ranking The Predator Movies - MauLer's Take 1:21:55 Mr.Drinker's Take 1:23:07 AZ's Take 1:25:18 SQUIRREL 1:26:51 Back to Ranking The Predator Movies - Disparu's Take 1:28:52 SQUIRREL 1:29:56 Fringy's Take 1:31:00 Prey - General Discussion 1:35:04 Mr.Drinker Mentioned in an Article - Discussing the Constructive Criticism in a Review 1:45:29 Flaws in Movie Making - General Discussion 1:52:35 Movie and TV Cancellations - Ezra Miller 2:07:21 Rings of Power PR $h!t Show 2:26:36 Viewer Counts and Lack Thereof 2:33:00 Superchats 2:43:16 Superchats - MauLer possible watch along for sTaR wArS: Andor 2:44:32 Superchats 2:55:40 The Predator 2:56:57 Superchat Tips for Starting a KZbin Channel 2:59:56 Superchats 3:09:12 Make Up Show Sunday for the Rest of the Superchats 3:09:22 Open Bar Closing Time That's all he's got for today. GO AWAY NOW!

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Thank you sir.

[@Pooh0Bear8]

Thank you

[@pyregazer9210]

You sir, have too much time on your hands. To be fair, I spend too much time watching youtube as well.

[@sereeenah2292]

thank you, good sir!

[@mattgee4867]

You're the MVP

[@SAWTheDesigner]

Everything about the Rings of Power marketing is pure gold, when you think it cant get anymore ridiculous Amazon finds a way to outdo themselves.

[@chasehedges6775]

It’s gonna be awful.

[@chasehedges6775]

@J. C. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@HiddenHandMedia]

But it's so important to have a fat black windbag as the first female dwarf if you discount the other first female dwarf

[@OldPanther]

@@chasehedges6775 pretty much. So sad since you could do something really epic with the time period the rings were made

[@chasehedges6775]

@@OldPanther 💯

[@titanicpat1275]

Backed Amber Heard, Still standing by Ezra Miller, but fired Johnny Depp. Nailed it, Warner Discovery, Chef's kiss.

[@Valehass]

and now they sack Henry Cavill, WB is toitally fu**ed.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

One of the most baffling developments I've seen in the world of movies recently has been the praise heaped on Prey, a film that was aggressively average at best. The fact that it is currently rated by critics as better than the original Predator is patently ridiculous. Perhaps an instance of the 'at least it isn't super woke' effect.

[@thepoeticbutcher3370]

…..they are excited that a movie with some WOKE elements was accepted.

[@beardedbjorn5520]

I was surprised by how much Mauler was defending it

[@donniedeville5102]

The drinker also sold out and is shilling hard

[@joesmutz9287]

In this market, aggressively average is rather good Not being bad is so rare that it's something worth praising This is a horrid state of affairs, but it is the state we are in

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

@@donniedeville5102 How? He's been one of the most critical of Prey.

[@colourlessbluethings]

The real moral of Prey SHOULD that if she had done what she was asked to and gone to collect those flowers for medicine, a lot of lives could have been saved. And that she shouldn't undervalue the role she so resented being given,

[@feliperisseto9113]

The movie makes pretty clear the Predator is after the French, since they are the most advanced enemy there. He only killed the Hunters because he finded them in the way. So it is 100% her fault they are dead.

[@Valehass]

@@feliperisseto9113 and the end credit scene shows how the Predator got the French man's gun. He pride it from her dead fingers after wiping out her entire tribe. Good job feminism.

[@jamesfoley6939]

Disparu’s ranking of the Predator films nearly broke Mauler.

[@toegrit]

His mumbles of disapproval were hilarious

[@lukozade007]

@@toegrit is doing good work with me and my family will come back to sleep in a few weeks so I’ll I’ll let you know mama if that’s good too babe I love

[@lukozade007]

@@toegrit o thanks boo mama boo hope your sleep good sleep ok

[@adamklase8547]

Those two would have a pretty entertaining discussion on film esp with Disperu's hot takes 🤣

[@Barwasser]

I love that he has a hot take.

[@cognitivedissidents4642]

Script Guy: “...so then the Tough Ethnic Chick dies in the Third Act-I was writing it for Michele Rodriguez.” Producer Guy: “She’s 44 now-how hard would it be to write it for Amber Midthunder?” Script Guy: “Super easy-barely an inconvenience!”

[@chasehedges6775]

😁😁😂😂. Bad Screenwriting is Tight!

[@chasehedges6775]

@moon bars Indeed.

[@apophis2129]

"So then she's going to kill six grown men and not even be out of breath." "Wait what, do you think people will buy that?!?" "I'm gonna need you to get allll the way off my back about it!" "Okay! Let me get off that thing!"

[@chasehedges6775]

@@apophis2129 😂😂😂😂

[@JohnGardnerAlhadis]

_"sUpEr eASy, bArElY aN iNcOnvENiEncE"_ Pitch Meetings are the Family Guy of film review: repetitive, irritating, and unfunny.

[@WNShadow814]

They made an excellent point about the end of prey. At the end of the first predator you have Dutch, a guy who has seen countless battles totally spent. All his team is gone and it took everything he had to come out of that fight alive. Naru just lost her brother and most of the key members of her tribe. She should care. She should be broken and shell shocked spending the rest of her nights waking up screaming. Not standing around grinning at herself

[@hafaball]

The whole Prey movie is building toward teaching the Protagonist to not be a lone wolf, fight for the good of the tribe, harness your skills until you're ready, just for everyone to be killed and her taking out the Predator on her own any way because it had to parallel the 1st movie. They just couldn't help themselves and had the protagonist learn nothing but still succeed. A lot of mixed messaging.

[@marccreation1052]

Pocahondator:"Haha look i killed something dangerous" Tribe:"Where are the others?" Pocahoe:"Wtf praise me you patriarchal pigs!" Tribe:"Did we skin witches or burn them? Aw, let's do both"

[@actioncom2748]

0:00 - The Pub Opens 3:30 - The Predator Franchise 8:30 - Az Arrives 12:03 - Prey Discussion 1:22:00 - Predator Film Rankings 1:36:15 - Mary Sue Rees Out Drinker 1:46:30 - Warner Brother Discovery Strategy Discussion 2:07:20 - Rings of Power Priorities 2:29:20 - Trust in Critics 2:33:00 - SuperChats 3:09:20 - Last Call

[@nklin6]

0.00 fucking cringe opening song

[@IVMZR]

@@nklin6 Amazing intro... keep your cringe out of our face.

[@IVMZR]

@ActionCom The hero without cape

[@nklin6]

@@IVMZR you can't handle criticism

[@IVMZR]

@@nklin6 well you didn't get the sarcasm... did you?

[@dRoscoAZ]

I so value these collaboration videos. Quality content, well done lads

[@chasehedges6775]

They're awesome as always.

[@WaxTheDolphin]

I disagree, the stream lacks mindless screaming and anti-Trump messaging.

[@abiggins1]

I totally agree sans all of disparus input. Guy seems like a little bitch

[@rachelblack314]

I haven't seen the film, but if you're saying that most of the tribe's men were killed by the predator, then her tribe doesn't stand much of a chance going forward. When they go against another tribe in battle, her tribe will be conquered.

[@irateastartes1206]

Bu but wahmen power! The magic earth mother estrogen powers will terrify the Blackfoot and Sioux tribes in the area and won’t obviously get them all conquered and turned into war prizes.

[@johnsmead5096]

commanches had a total pop of around 15,000 barely a generation later. and, guessing by the end credits, her clan gets wiped anyways, so population fecundity doesnt really matter lol

[@babychuma1]

@@johnsmead5096 the Comanches were the baddest of the bad. A Comanche warrior could fire an arrow from under the neck of a galloping horse and hit a nickel. Texans were terrified of them and except for John Coffee no one could fight them until after the American civil war. Even then they were mostly defeated by the decimation of the plains buffalo herd. They were terrible and meted out torture and rape on both other tribes and white settlers, I hoped a realistic version of them was what the predator was going to run into. Liked the movie in general though.

[@babychuma1]

The film is ok, I'm pretty critical but didn't get bored. And the Comanche were hardcore.

[@johnsmead5096]

@@babychuma1 a slower burn first act hinting at the french trappers, their trade and vaguely benevolent relationship with the tribe, and actually immersing the movie in the commanche culture and naru's story in it would have been awesomr

[@michaelplowman8674]

They could have just done a "Hunt for Red October" trick. Have them speaking Comanche at first and then transition to English as if they are still speaking their native language but it's being translated for the viewer.

[@beardedbjorn5520]

I love that scene. It's still the best way I've ever seen it done.

[@versevica]

One of the hardest parts of hunting say wild pig, deer or other game of a similar size is carrying it back to camp. Making the kill is only half of the job. And when carrying it back your vulnerable to attack from other natural predators who can smell the carcass from a distance. If you could react in time to a potential attack you could stand your ground and defend your prize but carrying a dead animal at length across difficult terrain wears you down and strains your arms making it hard to fight due to exhaustion or fatigue which is why most hunting parties are generally x4 to x5 strong. Marksman, couriers and guards. So I take no issue with her ability to hit her mark, my doubts are with her hauling the kill back to the village in the wild, solo and to do that on a regular basis.

[@9011camraja]

Nah you definitely have an issue if you’re doing these kind of mental gymnastics instead of realizing Native Americans didn’t hunt alone…everything we see her do in the movie is just practice. If she became an established hunter she’d most likely go out in groups….you know, like the group that found her… Or maybe she just wouldn’t hunt things that would be impractical for her to retrieve. Like she implied when waiting to shoot the bird her brother had to cross the river to pick up

[@blockboygames5956]

This is a really good point.

[@carlosdelfino3589]

you see, dont worry about sustainment or helping anyone. This hero hunts for trophy only and for the recognition, so she only will carry the head home ^^

[@versevica]

@@9011camraja that was kind of my point, you need the approval of everyone else involved and without question the chiefs ok so she wouldn't be a part of it in the first place hence her having to go it alone, small game is definitely more her target but when there are many hungry mouths to feed a few rabbits won't really do.

[@johnsmead5096]

thats what the dogs for, dontcha kno'

[@JosephFrostsGhost]

Getting to see Disparu interact with Fringy gives me all the feels 🥰 this is why I love Open Bar most out of all live streams: So many opportunities to see people interact that wouldn’t normally do so.

[@Anuduin]

Great to see Disparu getting some exposure. The dude is great.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

He is on a roll lately and will probably reach 1M or something after the Amazon Tolkien-inspired fanfic

[@iBeHampe]

i really don’t understand why Prey is getting so heavily praised.. it wasn’t good at all 😂 i’m really baffled.. it really wasn’t good. I think AZ broke it down perfectly, and his ideas of how to make it better we’re all spot on too!

[@Fedorevsky]

True, it was really bad. Really, really bad.

[@jgmaurer31]

Intersectional politics. That's the only reason. Same reason Black Panther is considered the best of all MCU movies when it's MAYBE slightly above average.

[@iBeHampe]

@@jgmaurer31 for real.. like it was so on the nose.. throughout the entire movie they were literally creating moments to build to the main character saying some women empowering quote 😂 like multiple times that is why a scene happened, so she could look better than the boys, and make some on the nose comment.

[@ukmediawarrior]

Don't you know critics aren't allowed to bash on female lead movies these days?

[@SkiteRight]

I love the irony of how unimpressed drinker is with AZ's drinking

[@sirangusfungus5471]

Drinker can hold his. Az is a loose canon.

[@ViperChief117]

The only Power politics has in movies releasing nowadays is causing individuals such as myself to not purchase their products. Lol

[@chasehedges6775]

Same.

[@juaerez69]

Yup

[@chasehedges6775]

@@juaerez69 👍❤️💯

[@miykaelp5284]

yes, I used to buy lots of physical media and go to the theater often, but I don't want to give these companies a cent.

[@juaerez69]

The ONLY film in the last several years I have considered purchasing on Blu-ray, when it comes out, is Top Gun Maverick.

[@pyregazer9210]

Can we just drop the facade that women are as strong as men. They have their strengths, but I mean c'mon man...

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

No one is stupid enough to believe that..

[@turtlebot323]

@@JoshuaKevinPerry trust me people genuinely do

[@ravicreed9138]

C'mon man🤡

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@JoshuaKevinPerry you’re unbearably naive if you think that. I don’t know why people insist that some humans aren’t literal retards. You do realize flat earthers exist right? And you think that no one is dumb enough to believe women are as strong as men? Come on. Stop overestimating the average human intelligence. Most of us are freaking dumb. “Think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are stupider than that” - George Carlin.

[@RandomCarrot2806]

@@JoshuaKevinPerry Unfortunately, there are people out there who genuinely believe men and women are exactly the same and that if it weren't for gender stereotypes and the "PATRIARCHY" men and women would be in complete equal standing in every area of society. Every sports team, every job, all earnings etc would be 50/50 in all areas and all aspects. It's why when they see a disparity anywhere that favors men in anyway the only reason they can give for it is discrimination. If you propose an alternate explanation then you hate women in their eyes.

[@RipperMaggoo]

Mauler vs disparu. Hands down best part of the bar.

[@iBeHampe]

i love Mauler.. ive never found myself disagreeing with him before.. but i’ve been really baffled by the amount of praise Prey has been getting!.. it was not a good film 😂 but ya i was actually in agreement with Disparu.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

@@iBeHampe I disagreed with him highly about The Josstice League cut over the Snydercut. lol that cannot be defended. Sorry Mauler.

[@JohnGardnerAlhadis]

@@iBeHampe _"It was not a good film."_ I think you meant to say: _"I didn't like the film."_

[@WaxTheDolphin]

Didn't you want to see Nina vs Odin or John Talks vs ComixD?🤣

[@RipperMaggoo]

@@JohnGardnerAlhadis I think one could say that it was objectively not a "good" film, but people are still free to like it.

[@iivin4233]

All the writers had to do was write predators so that they choose to use technology roughly equivalent to what their prey uses. If you use claymores and camouflage then it will use time bombs and magical invisibility fields. If you use spears and bows then it will use, say, a compound bow, mechanical traps and whatever else. You could see an interesting progression. When it encounters Comanche hunters it observes them, pulls a bow out of its arsenal and attempts to sneak up on them. Later when the Predator encounters the French hunters you'll see it use traps. Then, understanding its rules, the audience will have an oh shit moment when the Frenchmen draw their guns on the predator. The French shoot at the predator, the predator now feels free to use gunpowder. I imagine this would excite the predator.

[@matt54321100]

Az’s monologues were on point. He comes across as a joker sometimes but he’s pretty damned sharp.

[@kevinkerwin4118]

He reduced himself to a raving drunkard. Monologuing as a drunk man in a group discussion isn't respectable. At least show up for the group talk in more than just spirits.

[@jonbaxter2254]

That's it, I wish he was a little more straight instead of just shouting. Dude can carry a conversation when he's not joking

[@matt54321100]

@@kevinkerwin4118 nonsense. It’s not a dinner with the queen, he was speaking his mind in an articulated way.

[@S4ns]

At the end of day, Dutch kills the Predator in an amazing bit of adaption and improvisation; after the Predator sees through his original trap, he uses the counterweight to literally get the drop. Meanwhile, current day Native American Heroine "Dances With Gender Roles" gets incredible lucky because the Predator she faces is stupid enough to shoot itself. I am beyond caring about this film or any other reboots, prequels, requels, preboots, live action adoptions of any kind, and/or almost all media coming of mainstream Hollywood at this point.

[@S4ns]

And with all due respect to Fringy, ALL films can be fixed. But you have to judge the movie as is, not by "Dang, this film really had potential and that's why I like it." The Star Wars Sequels had potential and could be fixed but there's no way Fringy would say he liked those.

[@zachariahthemessiah53]

Dutch got lucky in killing the predator ..... your point?

[@metalmongoose805]

@@zachariahthemessiah53 naru literally jumps on its back and flips it on its ass. The alien who probably weighs a lot and with the strength to cold clock a bear. Not even Dutch could do that and he’s special forces and has weight training to be in peak physical condition

[@jallexon2]

Hulu Prey Their tribe died out with no men to breed with, No men to defend against other tribes. No men to do the hunting part of hunter-gather at the levels required to provide for a tribe's needs, no men to make tools and weapons. In hunt/gather societies knowledge and skills were subdivided by gender and age and abilities.

[@ccptube3468]

Means they're gonna be enslaved by other tribes or Europeans!😂😂😂😂

[@nont18411]

Plus, Naru is such a smart character that she only brought a Predator’s head to the village but not his technologically advanced weapons, you know, to protect themselves from colonizers and the next wave of Predators.

[@steveswafen2528]

@@nont18411 That's a great point that didn't even consider though will do from now on cheers for the reminder 👏

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

@@nont18411 She doesn't know how they operate and they wouldn't without Predator remote.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

There were still men in the village, they showed it.

[@mister-x2]

As I said on another video, hearing people talking about Prey is infinitely more fun than actually watching Prey. Weird how a couple of days after this was recorded, the EFAP boys sort of soured on this movie after putting it under a microscope.

[@chasehedges6775]

Indeed. Why watch a bad movie when you can watch an entertaining review that trashes it?

[@jamesedleymusic]

@@chasehedges6775 I wouldn’t say it’s bad, it’s just aggressively mediocre and is getting far too much praise for what it is.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@jamesedleymusic It really does look mediocre

[@Unknown-hb3id]

That's usually how the massives feel about "ok"/mediocre and bad things, they only sour as it goes on.

[@Fedorevsky]

@@jamesedleymusic No, it's really, really bad.

[@lllFeanorlll]

"The world has changed. I feel in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it. " Cate Blanchett whispering those lines to the theater put a spell on me. My easy and absolute favorite introduction to a movie.

[@HerohammerStudios]

Funny how it seems to parallel the current state of the franchise as well

[@sammydray5919]

So happy to see Fringy here. That froggo is excellent 😀❤️

[@evelynn4273]

I really think you guys need to take into account that those in charge of "The Message" are the same people who fund, cast and approve the scripts for these shows.

[@TomTomTom87]

@@Leon14344_ they talk about shows on this stream too

[@neillindgren8992]

The treatment of the French was one of the more irritating aspects of the film. Historically the French tended to get along really well with Native Americans (with some exceptions), so having them act the way they did was annoying. After all, the French and Indian wars were called that because the French and many native tribes allied (other than the Iroquois and a few other tribes) to fight the English and soon to be American English colonists. Also, mass killing of bison was something that was done only a hundred and fifty years later as a specific government policy to force natives onto reservations and was accomplished by using relatively fast firing breech loading rifles, not by French trappers with muzzle-loading muskets.

[@neillindgren8992]

Did some quick research, and found that the French and Comanches actually had really good relations (just wanted to see if they were one of the few tribes the French didn’t get along with - they weren’t). Big oops by the movie!

[@Fedorevsky]

Prey is a ultra woke production so they have to present the white men as evil white supremacist colonials at any chance they get.

[@zachariahthemessiah53]

So we bringing out historical context in a predator film. Ok cool whatever so ig the Indians should be buddy buddy with invaders on there land. Tf are u talking about you're really tryna humanize these people 😂 "the french were the good ones" ok and they would've taken their shit if they had the chance. You 🤡

[@DigiMyst]

I think monster IPs can be revived, but it needs the right creative team. Just look at how Shin Godzilla made him terrifying again

[@Icanonlycountto4]

That version of Godzilla was not a hero

[@korokleafgaming6863]

@@Icanonlycountto4 yeah, he was a force of nature. A complete abomination that screams and flails in pain, almost having no real control of itself at all. The atomic breath scene is borderline tragic as he barfs out his innards out over all of an abandoned Tokyo

[@Icanonlycountto4]

@@korokleafgaming6863 I feel like this is what happens when you take an iconic character back to its roots

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

I found the Shin Godzilla design silly. They went so hard into making him look gross that it veered from scary to dunny for me, especially with the googly eyes.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

@@jeggsonvohees2201 They based Shin Goji on deep sea fish/creatures. Have you seen some of them? They look goofy and terrifying.

[@karloskemp01]

No one I heard in any review brought up the fact that the predator helmet didn’t cover his face completely because of anyone remembers the predator helmet was also his breathing apparatus. It showed that he couldn’t breathe on earth as easily as we did.

[@versevica]

Yea thats right, would of totally forgot that if you hadn't mentioned it. I recall a scene in part 2 I think of the predator taking deep breaths from it and Danny glovers character using it as an opportunity to get a surprise attack on it.

[@neillindgren8992]

Well, if I was kind I could theorize that it was a physically weaker subspecies of predator (getting your jaw ripped off by a tiny person is unimpressive) that was better suited to Earth’s atmosphere and cold conditions. If I was unkind, I’d simply say the movie’s writers simply weren’t that familiar with the source material.

[@karloskemp01]

Yeah both predator 1 & 2 every time the helmet was taken off like a gas line connected to it is always disconnected and the shots made sure you saw it. And plus this predator head design in prey look way over the top

[@teddyharvester]

Also, I like the continuity that a few days ago Az asked on the twatters how drunk he should get for this stream, the response was overwhelmingly "incomprehensible", and for the most part Az came through.

[@weswolever7477]

Q: what’s your favorite whiskey? A: whatever the other guy’s buying.

[@WaxTheDolphin]

Big Wallet = best friend, Small wallet= acquaintance🤣

[@sjajsjsja4523]

All-star group on this one. It's my favorite live show from this corner of KZbin.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯. It's the best.

[@pwgdeathhawk8146]

I love this show compared to real BBC I wish they would drop Nina she ruins that one for me. Same as the last FNT she sucked all the energy outta that one too.

[@grandotaku2501]

@@pwgdeathhawk8146 Nina certainly doesn't help those shows but she isn't solely responsible for them going of the rails.

[@rainking3]

Regarding the heat vision/magic flower nonsense: The scene that really annoyed me was that scene with that last French hunter where she stood still as the Predator walked right passed her and didn't see her though she was standing right near the fire. Even if I buy the magic flower dropping her body temperature, does it also make her immune from absorbing external heat? The side of her body facing the fire should have been lit up by absorbed radiating heat from the fire!

[@HSuper_Lee]

The heat vision annoys me so much in most fiction that uses it. It's not like inferred means you can only see things that are hot, rather, heat is functionally light under inferred. If a person is standing in-between the Predator and a fire, whether or not the person has used a magic flour to make themself look ice cold, they're going to look like a big dark cold spot in front of the light source that is the fire. It's like taking a spotlight and then hanging a curtain in front of it. The cold person is visible even though they're not giving off heat. It works way better in the original Predator movie because you have to consider how warm the ambient temperature of a jungle in a heatwave is going to be. Even if Predator masks help filter out background warmth, it's way easier for a human to make themself blend into a heat signature that's almost human temperature. Meanwhile, Prey takes place in September as far as I can gather, which means it wouod be a lot harder to imitate the background temperature. And if your background temperature is a fire, you actually need to get warmer to hide from the Predator. Sorry, that turned into more of a rant than I intended.

[@darkknight57691]

Slowly Mauler is melding his two podcasts into one. First Drinker on EFAP, now Fringu on After Hours

[@heraldofwar]

This movie could have been a good 6/10 instead the third act was so bad it dragged the score down to 4/10 at best.

[@richter6699]

Yeah, that's a pretty fair score. I hate the pandering shit they did but objectively it's probably a 4 or something

[@comeatmebro8120]

@@richter6699 You can't objectively rate a movie, anybody who says you can is full of bs. I think a movie than be objectively good or bad, but you can't objectively rate it out of 10

[@richter6699]

@@comeatmebro8120 The number you allocate is a rough approximation of the quality of the thing, it's quality can be determined objectively by evaluating all of its component parts and whether or not they compliment each other. [Edit: sorry, removed needless name calling. I was a dick, my bad]

[@jamesrogers1554]

I might say a 5 but yeah the Matrix-style fighting just really killed my enjoyment of the film.

[@maximusorbis2548]

@@comeatmebro8120 that’s fair, but why do you believe that

[@SN00PICUS]

Mary Sioux did not impress me.

[@shadeoftruth6442]

"Mary Sioux" that's pretty good😂

[@chasehedges6775]

💯😂😂

[@chasehedges6775]

@@shadeoftruth6442 indeed

[@robertsaul234]

@@shadeoftruth6442 courtesy of Mike at Red Letter Media.

[@surobyk]

Thanks for destroying the word mary sue

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

Speaking of "The Message", did anyone else notice that the last visual that convinces Naru to defy her tribe and hunt the Predator is a mother with a screaming baby?

[@chasehedges6775]

Haven’t seen the film but that sounds laughable.

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

@@chasehedges6775 Honestly I haven't seen a movie be that subtle with wokeness in a long time, and even that's only by comparison with the usual trash. There's a few good bits on Prey, but after the EFAP I don't think I'd reccomend it. I'd say watch the hunting scenes and the fight scenes with the French and the brother then skip the rest.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@jeggsonvohees2201 From what I hear, the movie has beautiful/wonderful cinematography.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

What's the message here? She is motivated to protect her tribe.

[@apocryphicdeath]

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Mother w/screaming baby = the burden and entrapment of motherhood that limits a woman's potential (according to their twisted worldview). The Predator isn't gonna massacre the village. So it can't be about saving the tribe.

[@RoadWarrior2006]

There are two Terminator films. There are two Predator films.

[@chasehedges6775]

Revenge Of The Sith is better than the ST. 💯💯. “There can be only one”

[@RoadWarrior2006]

@@chasehedges6775 Every Star wars film is better than Disneyland garbage.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@RoadWarrior2006 💯👍

[@RoadWarrior2006]

As for the Alien franchise. It's 1,2 and 4. Alien 3 was a suicidal inducing failure. The reboot is garbage.

[@slappydoodle]

@@RoadWarrior2006 1 an 2. 3 was an abomination an resurrection is just idk stupid. I used to love it seriously but I watched it about 3 yrs ago an was so astounded to how bad it was. Just gimme 1 n 2 no avp no prometheus no covenant.

[@chasehedges6775]

The Critical Drinker’s content is the best. 💯

[@iBeHampe]

Critical Drinker is the #1 KZbin channel for any movie lover!!

[@chasehedges6775]

Same. I love his content

[@happyhammer1]

It's just better than the average slop Hollywood shovels into the trough. So by comparison a middling movie seems great. They are slowly lowering the bar to the point where people can't even see the degradation.

[@chasehedges6775]

Just depressing that we are willing to just enjoy mediocrity.

[@Fedorevsky]

No it isn't. It's about average as current crappy Hollywood movies go. It's in no way better than the other crap out there.

[@2percentright]

8:44 oh no. And this episode was going so well at first

[@rickymcn1]

There was a time when if I heard discourse like this surrounding a movie I would watch it and decide for myself. Those days are gone. I've wasted too many hours of my life on garbage these past few years. If it's not a sure fire winner then they ain't getting my time or money. And I'm male. The marketing made it pretty clear Prey wasn't for me anyway.

[@manateefree]

exactly drunk enough for this to arrive lads, well played

[@maulstar1]

Love these Open Bar things!

[@chasehedges6775]

Same here. They are sooo entertaining

[@steveswafen2528]

@@chasehedges6775 Great banter & discussions plus chat is always on fire here.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@steveswafen2528 💯

[@SniperSX]

There was a time when movies were about stories, stories that could be enjoyed by everyone without lecturing the audience, or at least, they would do it in a way to make you think and let you get to your own conclusion, not shout it in your face.

[@Fedorevsky]

That time still exists outside of Hollywood.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Grizzly bears like in the movie Prey are relatively aggressive if they (or their cubs) feel threatened but can ignore people if they feel like they don't pose a danger and they are not hungry. They would NOT be harmed by bow and arrow by any stretch, to go through their skull you need a shotgun with steel penetrator round or other similarly powerful rifle caliber. Bow and arrow are only going to piss it off. Also sorry AZ but a grizzly bear can 100% outrun humans and can climb trees so there isn't a whole lot you can do to if it really wants to kill you

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Ah yes they are also good swimmers.

[@beardedbjorn5520]

People literally hunt bears with bows. I think it’s more fair to say that her low poundage flat bow wouldn’t have done anything to it.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

@@beardedbjorn5520 which kind of bear? Black bear? Sure, brown bear? Maybe. Grizzly? Doubtful

[@Daltonson]

Yep just like the revenant

[@GregScholfield]

@@MediumRareOpinions brown bears and grizzly bears are the same species, just separated by geographic location (coastal versus inland). Modern bow tech is perfectly capable of dispatching an elephant with good shot placement. Check out Ashby Bowhunting for lethality data with archery equipment. It’s pretty neat. Head shots on bears is laughable though and the time period of the movie means she would more likely be using a spear.

[@Frau10125]

This was my first full listen of an open bar and I bloody loved it. Thank you all and please have this panel as much as possible (complete with a drunk late entrance). Drinker - please make it known if you ever travel to the New England states for an event!!!

[@P.T.S.E.]

With the Prey, it was not the bad acting, the badly written characters or the subpar plot which made me check out, but all the small things. The flimsy bows, the sharpening of the stone axe, the meaningless face paints, trying to hunt with a stone axe, the rope-axe, moss growing on top of the swamp, the unnatural movement and behaviour of animals. And the final nail for me was the bear fight. The dog pulling aggro, the bow snapping in half, the bear screaming at the protagonist hiding in the beaver nest, the predator wrestling with the bear, then standing on top of the protagonist, holding up the carcass, letting itself be soaked in blood while staring down on her. I've just checked out. I can tolerate bad acting, bad plot and badly written characters if there is at least the effort of trying to create something shows. But this movie was not just flawed or bad, but pure nonsense.

[@Spink_Prime]

Az was really difficult to stomach this time around, and it's probably not even because he was drunk. Everything he said was "feminism girl power feminism agenda feminism". It seemed he couldn't say ANYTHING about the movie beyond something to do with the protagonist being a female and being the bestest at everything. I've heard that shit so much, I had to entirely block Nerdrotic recommendations because it was getting as predictable as the media he was covering. I don't know what i'm more sick of, the political messaging in media or hearing about it all the god damn time. Not hearing about it is one of the things I REALLY appreciate about Mauler and Fringy.

[@Rob-fn1kp]

I'm completely against the hollywood feminist agenda and I hate THE MESSAGE!!! but I totally agree with you---- obnoxious and really annoying....... the irony that we're getting bored of complaining about the thing we're bored of.... lol .... but yeh- Az is okay most of the time- but not this time

[@Rob-fn1kp]

@Amplify Create yep! completely agree! I do like a lot of his takes and opinions- but it's too far now- I'm sure he's ready all these commments and hopefully he'll tone it down

[@Rob-fn1kp]

@Amplify Create I got bored of reading this half way through- I'm still against THE MESSAGE and the femdom snoflake twats ,Az just needs to chill out a bit

[@MooncricketsInc]

They repeat the same talking points because it gets them the views and clicks,and the money too. I don't blame them trying to cash in, but it gets tiring hearing about marvel/Disney/star wars every damn week. Fnt is even worse.

[@SM1THYz1]

Dude, pls make the original unlisted until this one is uploaded 😭 ps much love 💕

[@marcogenovesi8570]

be patient lol it's only a few days

[@SM1THYz1]

@The Rotten💯 was going to say the same thing, Nerdrotic & Mauler both unlist their vids, I don’t mind him deleting it once it’s uploaded on here but as you say that takes a few days 😢 just want to improve the viewer experience haha

[@SM1THYz1]

@The Rotten💯 I genuinely think it just takes him a while to re-upload it haha

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

@The Rotten💯 Bruh, it happened to me on another stream by the Drinker. I was late as well so I rewinded, started watching it and the stream died. I was so fucking pissed. lol I don't get the point of doing this. He at least should wait a day to transfer his vid.

[@shusterandy]

I said this I'll say it again, I think the brother should've been the main character.

[@gzz8551]

It would have been an improvement for sure.

[@shusterandy]

@@gzz8551 I feel so.

[@skyhunter2816]

AZ straight being annoying and belligerent in this one.

[@Biggarou]

AZ slow the crap down dude. you came to the bar pre mixed tonight

[@christopherhartford5066]

AvP showed more respect to the franchises it was trying to play in than proper movies from each of those franchises. So yes, I'm very happy AvP was made. It was a good time. Still.

[@Valehass]

I'm with Azz on this and I haven't even seen the film, nor will I. I recognise these feminist tropes he speaks of because they are now common place. I have no good will left to give.

[@mcbean1]

yea but Az is just wrong and so are you by extension

[@Comradcommodore]

@@mcbean1 yeah Alex is right haven't you read all the tales about uber talented native American women who went against tribal norms Me neither but I'm sure they r there

[@mcbean1]

@@Comradcommodore are you trying to be sarcastic or not?

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

@@Comradcommodore Have you read a tale about an American commando who defeated an alien using logs and sticks? I'm sure it's true!

[@Comradcommodore]

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p ahhh the elite jacked out of his mind commando that pulled a massive trunk up into the air and dropped it on the predators head as a last resort? Yeah I saw that movie, pretty good

[@evelynn4273]

I think when they call, for example, a movie "Predators" instead of "Predator 3", it's because they want to do some retconning.

[@danishcartoonist545]

2:08:15 - The funny bit here is that there was a scene in the book where Saruman throws off his cloak and is now Saruman of Many Colours! So, yes, Saruman did in fact turn ghey and therefore evil :p

[@prot07ype87]

*Prey was absolute crap.* Sargon of Akkad did a great job highlighting the stupidity in the film.

[@Fedorevsky]

Yep, he highlighted most of my problems with that useless woke dreck.

[@Sentinel82]

Yeah. Him just pointing out how absolute SOFT these gen z actors look was great. 🤣👍🏻

[@quij7ote222]

Your fixes to movies are the best things y'all do. I'm a woman who is proud of what a woman actually is. If you present women as they are, instead of emotionless automatons who are super powered, we women will come to see your movie. We hate these strange aliens who are supposed to be women-as-heroes. They aren't human. When did feminists, of which I used to be one, decide that women as human and humane aren't admirable or compelling and to be treasured?

[@steveswafen2528]

Under rated thought provoking comment imo, well said 👏

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯

[@missbunnypaints7743]

Totally agree. I've come to think we are at a point in which feminity has taken such a blow. Rare to see a female protagonist with actually a compelling development. Even more rare, written not as a man. Sarah connor and ripley for instance always had an inner conflict or vulnerability and also kindness and mother instinct. A key characteristic to womanhood that lack modern female characters. You could literally replace them by a man, even so a weak man ( also known as "toxic").

[@steveswafen2528]

@@missbunnypaints7743 Excellent points brought up here 🤔👏

[@quij7ote222]

@@missbunnypaints7743 Agreed. I want movie makers to stop writing females as men to show how wonderful they are. It's unbelievably sexist. A woman is fine just the way she is. There is much to admire and inspire in a female hero who is recognizably female. Females can be naturally determined, proud, honorable, smart, brave and decent. Muscles aren't everything.

[@GravitoRaize]

Disparu is absolutely right and needs to speak up a bit more about specifically what it is that is wrong with all these movies right now. At the core of everything the film & tv industry is currently doing, the problem is collectivism. As much as everyone hates Ayn Rand, she was right that collectivism is wrong. Collectivism is the subjugation of a group based on its race, class, state, or even thought. It refuses to see people as individuals and instead treats entire groups of people as representative of their collective traits. It doesn't matter if it's left-wing or right-wing, collectivism as a whole is a dangerous road to travel and we have the whole middle third of the last century that proves it. When they run out of other groups to collectively hate, they'll subdivide their own groups and foment dissent within them as well. Collectivists just don't care who they damage, because to them the world is only different shades of their opinionated injustice. Once they are too small to take on one shade of perceived injustice, they just fight the smaller ones that were once their allies.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

I don't think Hollywood is interested in becoming the Soviet Union mate, I think they just want your money and they'll know the BBC and Bollywood can't compete with them.

[@GravitoRaize]

@@Edax_Royeaux I guess I'm not saying that they are wanting to be oppressors so much as they view everyone as groups or teams or tribes. People don't actually think that way and the only ones who do still think that way aren't numerous enough for Hollywood to attract them to the movies. Hollywood's wasting their time with splitting people into groups and needs to just write good stories with good characters instead of rehashing collectivist tropes.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@GravitoRaize Hollywood view people as consumers and their vast profits validate their views. They give consumers what Hollywood thinks consumers want and the box office tells them they've done the right thing. When Hollywood made WWII propaganda films demonizing the Japanese, American audiences ate these films up and watched them in droves. Hollywood follows the money.

[@airsoftreaper99]

Tribalism is good and inherent human nature

[@astrapsy]

I wish FNT was more focused like this

[@matthewdenz1045]

Mauler is completely right regarding the guy who lost his leg. In the first film, the predator still picks off Poncho despite him being unarmed and completely injured

[@mudcrab3420]

I love the way at the end how Fringy managed to convince everyone else that Quakkas are friendly and not actually constantly planning to roll you in a back alley.

[@apophis2129]

There is a lot of great source material in the Predator IP. I would love to see an adaption of the comic run of "The Bloody Sands of Time" set during and in WW2!

[@thegeordiegypsy2398]

Disparu and AZ were spot on about Prey!

[@chasehedges6775]

Indeed. And Especially the Drinker as well, his criticism of characters not being allowed to have flaws or BE flawed, in particular

[@drlee2]

Yeah, it's weird for me to completely disagree with EFAP and be on the opposing side! lol

[@OldPanther]

They were terrible. AZ comes across as reactionary to any hint of feminism and just goes off almost triggered.

[@comeatmebro8120]

@@OldPanther Right. While this movie does have those elements of feminism, Az is the type of guy to dismiss everything the movie does well because of it

[@Fedorevsky]

@@comeatmebro8120 "Some elements", lol. Hilarious.

[@LeonDeLaMole]

Predators actually has one of my favorite movie openings. Adrien Brody wakes up falling from the sky. His futuristic parachute barely opens in time, he slams to the ground, smash cut to movie title. Sweet, you got my attention.

[@chasehedges6775]

“They can never commit to this idea that you can have a flawed protagonist who makes mistakes early on.” Just depressing, really I do miss when male and female characters could be flawed and make mistakes.

[@jamesedleymusic]

I miss when we had more equality than we do currently.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@jamesedleymusic Indeed

[@nont18411]

Watch Better Call Saul, you will get it all.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@nont18411 I’ve watched all 5 seasons on Netflix and it’s awesome. Can’t wait to see S6

[@comeatmebro8120]

@@chasehedges6775 Season 6 is even better. The series finale airs tomorrow and my life will be empty once i finish it

[@THEROSSAGE]

The problem with setting a predator movie in the past, though sounds a fun concept, makes no sense in the context of the predator. even with EVP it is explained that Pred is top dog until pred 1 & 2 with the later showing that the predators see humans as equals, if they get rinsed by some 50 pound girl, back in pre-colonial America I doubt they would come back.

[@landofthelostzRo]

Mauler was totally right and i dont understand how nobody understoof what he was saying lol

[@Adamatronamus]

The predator is only as smart as the writers.

[@GhostOfAces]

A HUGE issue is that in Canon, the Predators Tech would have still been roughly what it was in the OG Predator movie. Not downgraded like this ones was. The Predators have been where they are at a sort of "Tech Ceiling" for thousands of years. Even back in the 15-16-1700's.

[@gagelindell271]

What canon? They chose to go back hundreds of years and thats actually a cool aspect to take the tech back a step. Not sure what formula you are working with here but whatever

[@jamesfoley6939]

Actors and actresses use their activism, gender(s) and orientation as means of deflecting criticism. Same with the studios who employ them...

[@marcoj.t.l.3116]

Az is so right about Prey.

[@student6140]

The one line of dialog from all of them that still sticks in my head is fucking voodoo magic man

[@ccptube3468]

HAHA! Predator 2!😂😂😂😂

[@MazrimTaim]

Glad I'm not the only one. I say that line frequently throughout my life.

[@leonefurlan137]

SHIT 'APPENS...

[@DigiMyst]

Christ, AZ either needs to work on his active listening skills or get off the bottle...

[@Pooh0Bear8]

THANK YOU!!!! He becomes frustrating

[@Rizzo1812]

What do you expect from someone on the unwatchable FNT grift show .

[@Rob-fn1kp]

YEP! almost ruined the stream for me

[@DrakeEastwood]

hollywood has always ruined popular franchise lore, only now they do it in the name of woke.

[@drlee2]

Az nailed it. Even IF Prey were actually a good film, which it by no means is, it was always going to be sabotaged by it's woke narrative of propping up the main female as being the best by simultaneously tearing down everyone else and making them all seem worthless. Having her "fail" early on is just a smoke screen because the movie still showed her do a bunch of unreal stunts at the end that she miraculously learned to do in the span of like 2 days. That's not real development. And it doesn't just sacrifice the writing for male characters (like the brother in Prey) when Hollywood does this, but also any other supporting female characters in the film or TV show. I've seen this happen on shows where the writing is so hellbent on forcing a "strong female lead" but they make her strong in all the wrong ways that it overshadows much better written supporting females who ironically would make better leads since they are actually written like relatable people. But the lead is written like some 1-dimensional fantasy character, much like the one in Prey, that's popular because she does a few "badass" things.

[@mcbean1]

Did you even watch the movie? because you're comment is so far off i get the sense you're just going off headlines

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯👍. THIS

[@drlee2]

@@prele No, I actually watched the movie and gave my critique/interpretation. Simple as that.

[@drlee2]

@@mcbean1 Yes, I actually watched the film. There's nothing in my critique that's false or reaching. The writers failed to give any supporting character a personality, except possibly the brother, and made the entire film about the girl's desire to be a hunter and that's fine if it felt like a genuine character study. But it didn't feel like that, imo. It felt like a female empowerment vehicle. Her entire attitude from the start was she was going to do stuff to defy her tribe even at the expense of their lives. It was about her proving herself, but at the same time she couldn't care less about her own tribe dying around her. There was no reflection, no mourning, no sadness, no PTSD. The movie was all about showing she was better than everyone else. And she was antagonistic towards everyone and got people killed. Not sure why I'm supposed to root for or think she is some great character based off of that, especially when she was unlikable for the entire running time of the film. And the actress' acting was not good, imo.

[@mcbean1]

@@prele how can i be parroting something when I'm referring to a specific comment? Also what part didn't make sense?

[@robertmalone1826]

These reviews are ridiculous. I absolutely agree with Heelvs, and as a Native American this girl would have been thrown out of the tribe. The premise was great, but the main character was so flawed. She never develops and last fight scene makes her a Mary-Sue. There was never enough time for her to become a warrior. I do not care that she fails, but there was not enough time to learn from her mistakes. There is no way she could pull down the predator, this film is so stupid. Drinker said this film is good, i dont think so. That is why they look so awkward trying to walk it back.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

It might have helped the movie if they had picked a different first nation. One that was historically less patriarical.

[@robertmalone1826]

@@genmaicha.lapsang Damn right, my tribe would have literally beat this woman or got rid of her.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

@@robertmalone1826 Maybe some of the people around the Great Lakes, have her be the eldest daughter of the "Head Woman?" That way she has some kind of legacy to live up to or rebel against? Yeah, most other tirbes esspecially a lot of the ones in the US would have beaten her up or sold her off.

[@turdle2767]

az really loves hearing his voice.

[@seefoghall]

Mauler, you are wrong because you do not draw a bow until you are on the verge of firing! Bows take effort to hold drawn, unlike how they show it in movies. An archer would not hold their draw for more than a couple of seconds, in the vast majority of cases.

[@slaapt]

Wasn't that what he said? Mauler said "she was about to shoot, but then got nervous." He even said she was lying when she said she was waiting for it to circle back.

[@seefoghall]

@@slaapt she still held the bow drawn though, as did some other characters.

[@Seeric85]

Maybe I have been RADICALIZED but I have no patience for people making excuses for Prey, especially in this sphere. I don't care if it has redeeming qualities and good scenes, the obvious political signaling makes it still completely unpalatable. It's like getting served a good meal with some pieces of shit sprinkled on top. I'm not eating around the shit, I'd like my meal feces free please. And then certain restaurant reviewers tell me "I enjoyed the food, you have to appreciate the skill that went into preparing it, shame about fecal bits, but oh well, what are you going to do, not eat?"

[@Fedorevsky]

Couldn't agree more. It's all just very disappointing.

[@user-jq1vn6up3z]

LOVE the podcast brothers! Going to buy some swag in support.

[@marcuswoods4131]

You're missing the fact, that the revolution is over and what you're witnessing with the politics in entertainment is the mass re-education of the masses.

[@yuliakalashnikova6161]

Oh my god, from the pure design standpoing Prey's protagonist is ridiculous. No hunter would have hair in their face constantly, she can baretly see through it, the complex layered clothing with dangly things I believe is a special occasion dress up, not something they'd wear every day and again, very impractical. I mean, that's definitely telling, when it comes to the overall movie quality.

[@apocryphicdeath]

Agree with the clothes. I don't think the hair thing matters, as it's a movie and there are no shortage of movies with men melee fighting with long unbound hair. That only seems to get ragged on when it's a female with her hair down. I've no doubt there are many cool braids and done-up styles that could have been done instead.

[@ukmediawarrior]

And to think they had a Native American expert on set every day, a lady expert of course, to make sure they got the culture right. You know, the important bits like a Comanche toothbrush that was accurate to the times and that they had horses. Nothing so unimportant as the clothing they would wear on a hunt or the fact that Comanche tribes didn't let their women fight.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

I know right, and taking that minigun on a stealth rescue mission was totally unrealistic. The recoil on thing would have knocked anyone on their ass.

[@apocryphicdeath]

@@bigwinz I didn't say it wasn't a problem when it's done for men. It's a minor flaw I said is only critiqued when the character is female. People look better with their hair down and movies are fantasies. Of all the "accuracies" I want hollywood to pay attention to, battle hairstyles isn't one of them.

[@ukmediawarrior]

@@Edax_Royeaux That movie was in the 80's, that was the type of weapons they had in action movies back then. Big and noisy and yeah, not realistic, but it looked cool. That's a little different to what you are sarcastically arguing here though it seems. I believe Yulia was commenting on the clothing and hair which would interfere with hunting. In Predator the men are all wearing exactly what a soldier in a jungle war would wear. Hats or hair tied back out of your face and eyes, clothing tight to the body with pockets for ammo, etc, heavy boots for heavy terrain hiking. So, if you were going to go after Predator not being authentic when we are discussing hair and clothing you would have to find something wrong with their hair and clothing, not the weapons. Sorry if that bugs you

[@docbrooks1098]

I think Predators may have been more in reference to the fact all the human characters are predators.

[@Perktube1]

Jeff Bezos said Give me Game of Thrones. How greedy and unimaginative. This explains why Tolkien's world has been invaded rather than a new world created by Amazon. Besides the lack of creativity of woke writers.

[@TGTK-FreeSpeech-]

Finally a youtube recommendation that worked. Didn't know this channel existed.

[@wakerobin9215]

Welcome aboard, my friend. Drinker here has some good stuff. Even if you don't always agree with his takes, you should have a good time 🍻

[@TGTK-FreeSpeech-]

I've been subbed to Drinker for over 4 years; just didn't know he had a live channel that archived his streams. I appreciate it though

[@wakerobin9215]

@@TGTK-FreeSpeech- Well, it seems you have good taste in YT content already then :) Cheers

[@farharbor3178]

Also at 51:30 -- what drinker is talking about is an excellent observation of what I recognize to be modern feminine writing. It appears as though they want to suggest a trouble or obstacle that the protagonist needs to get over but can't commit to making her flawed .... and so they just find out later in a piece that she was awesome all along. I'd go one step further and link this mechanism beyond just fiction into actual real world non fiction and journalism ... it's the same tactic you used to see at Jezebel and huffpost and a bunch of other garbage clickbait places that throw out headlines in this format: [objectively and obviously bad thing] is happening; here is why it's a [good or necessary] thing. The main character is hesitant and chokes in this film. That is in fact bad, but because she's a female protagonist they have to warp the world around until they can show in a revelatory manner that being hesitant is actually the good thing to be. You instill a character with an objectively bad trait and rather than progressing the character through the story to overcome it ... you 'progress' the audience and reality into 'recognizing' that the foible is actually a virtue.

[@johnmcternan4157]

I often think of the reimagined Battlestar Galactica as a great way to write that characters under pressure that choke in various ways due to personality flaws and get pure hell for it, but ultimately pull it out of the bag, it's why everyone in that series felt radically different by the end or the deadwood get burned off revealing more of them. Gaius Baltar perfect example, Lee Adama, Saul Tigh, so many small tertiary characters too get that treatment

[@spoookyboooty1076]

Please watch the show "Severance". Not sure if you ever talked about it or made a review, but it's a really good show not many people know about.

[@Fedorevsky]

I really need to get around to that. So much to watch so few hours, lol. It looks excellent.

[@spenser9908]

It’s an excellent show.

[@Fedorevsky]

@@spenser9908 That's it, I'm starting it later tonight.

[@richter6699]

I think Prey benefits from a bit of Tomorrow War syndrome, that it's kind of pleasantly surprising because you expected it to be so much worse. There was some decent stuff in there and a fair bit of bullshit lol

[@chasehedges6775]

Tomorrow War looked kinda meh, honestly

[@chasehedges6775]

Indeed. We are soooo used to the mediocre and average.

[@richter6699]

@@chasehedges6775 Tomorrow War is terrible, that's my point. It only was enjoyable to people because everything else is so much worse these days.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@richter6699 💯

[@drlee2]

At least The Tomorrow War had several characters with an actual personality. There were none in this one.

[@shannonturnbull1398]

We all know that Prey should have had Ezra Miller as the Predator

[@RobertPilla]

Harvey Weinstein. even better.

[@legatedrengr]

I think Prey is a perfect film to use as a demonstration of how the injection of political ideology has ruined peoples ability to enjoy media - not just woke films not being enjoyable, but films that would have once been considered mediocre, or enjoyable but forgettable, now need to have debates about whether scenes are there for political reasons, or just poorly conveyed information. I thought Prey was middling at best, with some good scenes in it but a lot that held it back. And some of what I think held it back, I cynically attribute to woke messaging where once, might I have ascribed it to just being a dumb action film? I think if I knew for sure it was the latter, I would have enjoyed it more than I did.

[@ZillaTheTegu]

Ive been dealing with this a lot lately. I used to be able to watch a movie like Commando, and just enjoy it for what it was, a dumb action flick. But now with a modern movie like Prey (which I havent seen yet) I will instead get angry at it because Im expecting woke bullshit. So even if the movie doesnt have woke shit in it and its just dumb, I will be seeing it as woke because Im so expecting it. Its really weird to have my perspective so geared and ready to hate something before Ive even seen it. And to have my perspective so twisted even while Im watching it that Im seeing whats not really there. Its happened with a few movies for me, where I disliked the movie because of some woke crap that was in it. But then I think about it later and realize that it wasnt woke, it was just poorly written.

[@zachariahthemessiah53]

What specific politics is in the film? Sounds like someone is crying and complaining and looking for an excuse to hate the movie. Bozo

[@legatedrengr]

@@zachariahthemessiah53 well if you'd read the comment properly, you'd realise I'm saying I don't know if there's any political messaging in it, or if I'm looking for it because of the spate of heavily politicised films and tv shows recently have made me highly cynical of such things. However, even without anything like that in it, this film is definitely flawed. Not terrible, but not great. Being better than most recent films but still mediocre at best is not something to celebrate.

[@ZillaTheTegu]

@@zachariahthemessiah53 The easiest example is the ending. Compare Preys ending to the original Predator. In the original, the last shot is of Arnold, a broken and traumatized man. He lost his whole platoon, and was beaten to an inch of hi life, and he looks devastated and like he will have PTSD for the rest of his life. Now look at Prey, the girl comes back to the village carrying the head of the monster, and looks around all proud of herself and smiling. Shes not exhausted, or devastated over the loss of her brother and tribesmen, she doesnt even show a hint or grief or anything. Shes completely fine. The politics here is that movies and media, cant possibly show women as being 'weak' by showing such emotions or vulnerability.

[@zachariahthemessiah53]

@@ZillaTheTegu people can be different I didn't remember humans being the exact same. How do u know she doesn't have PTSD cuz you don't see it. Isn't it safe to assume so since her tribesman and brother got slaughter. It's a multiple day trip maybe she's well rested and wouldn't you be semi proud if you took a apex predator down by outsmarting it. Reaching at it's finest just enjoy the film.

[@DarthQueefious]

So at the end the Predator shot his tri-gun even tho he knows it targets via his mask, the mask he obviously knows he isn't wearing? u wot?

[@slappydoodle]

I thought that to but but pred doesn't know that she took the mask an strategically set it up. Not sayin I love this movie or anything like that just given an answer to ur comment. Tho I did enjoy the movie. I think it's a solid watch

[@theeshyguy]

He forgor ☠️

[@Fedorevsky]

@@slappydoodle How sad.

[@coebaltraizure6137]

As a Gay, I'd like to apologize on behalf of the GBTL+ community for all the harm its doing to modern pop culture.

[@Moscoe...]

Apology accepted

[@eskimoquinn4737]

9:53 "You didn't tell me you were going to start on them yesterday." 🤣😂🤣