Open Bar #60 - Snow White In Hot Water, Singing Klingons, Witcher Insults The Fans AGAIN

We're breaking with tradition this week to host Open Bar on a Wednesday night since I'm about to leave for Anime Matsuri, so join me, MauLer, Baggage Claim, Robert Meyer Burnett and Darkhour for a spot of midweek drinking.
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[@flamingburritto]

Uploading entire Open bar episodes first and then uploading the segmented videos imo is better. Love the Podcast : )

[@WayStedYou]

Probably didnt do the segments because he was traveling to the USA

[@flamingburritto]

yeah that too. but i like watching it as soon as its recorded cuz i cant watch it live, and by the time the recorded vids come out its already kinda too late and the news has sort of moved on @@WayStedYou

[@CommerceAudio]

It’s just not at all better for drinker. He makes a lot of revenue by posting those clips before they can be seen on the podcast and then post the podcast after that to maximize revenue realistically

[@aronthedev3074]

It's super easy, barely an inconvenience! Oops, wrong channel.

[@GustaveTheSteelXIII]

@@aronthedev3074 Wowowowow

[@esalkor03]

Secret Invasion Mess 23:57 The "spark" in the MCU pre-phase 4 26:08 The bizarre state of earth in the MCU 30:55 The Klingons... 43:23 What Star Trek was...to now 44:47 Thoughts on Abram Star Trek movies 1:02:51 The Witcher 1:09:41 (Netflix Witcher writers embarrassing statement on plot 1:11:15)

[@kovalveli]

Thank you Sir.

[@danieln6700]

The best

[@mysticjais]

You're doing God's Work! Thank You!

[@joquin4618]

MVP

[@Omar_listenin]

tyty I care nothing for Star Trek so wanted to skip all that

[@TheRiverJordan3613]

Also for her to insinuate it’s a chore to stand in a Snow White dress shows how wrong her attitude is. She should grateful for the role. And honored every moment she was wearing that dress. There is none of that.

[@Prototype-357]

To be fair, it's quite an ugly dress. It worked great for the animated movie, but in live action it just looks garish.

[@jeffk464]

I bet roofers all over the world are shedding a tear for her suffering caused by her work conditions. She probably only got paid millions of dollars to have to suffer through wearing that dress.

[@marychocolatefairy]

She also completely butchered what could have been a good point, lol. One of the areas I do have sympathy have for actors on (and other film set employees) is the very long days they can have. But no, she just had to bring up the princess dress, as though nothing could be more horrible or strenuous than having to wear that all day.

[@texasbeast239]

I would KILL to get the chance to dress up in armor and a long beard and wreck my skin because of the prosthetic adhesive like John Rhys Davies as Gimli. And that was a REAL burden. This chick is such a whiner.

[@strategghost1270]

Pretty sure it's just an extension of the common reaction women are "supposed" to have for wearing period corsets. Corsets aren't (according to experts) uncomfortable to wear, it's likely pushed by studios for PR: "OMG, she SUFFERED for the role!".

[@MineTurtleLover565]

Emilia Clarkes character in Secret Invasion is like when a group of kids are playing a game and then one kid starts to give themselves all the powers and nothing can stop them, etc. Very quickly the other kids stop playing that game.

[@Prototype-357]

So now we have someone even more powerful than captain marvel, I can't wait to see how they are going to explain why Giah isn't called for every world ending threat going forward, cause we all know making your heroes invincible is GREAT for narrative stakes. It's going to be like Eternals everytime now, I'm just giddy with anticipation.

[@niallrussell7184]

I couldn't even finish Ep1.. but now I'm thinking.. What powers did she have? How OP?..

[@davidnierzwick2775]

That's 100% how Cartman plays!😂😆

[@Prototype-357]

@@niallrussell7184 The implication was the powers of everyone present in the final fight of endgame so... pretty OP.

[@niallrussell7184]

@@Prototype-357 thanks! I really didn't want to have to watch the whole season!

[@HowToChangeName]

This is the greatest decade of gaslighting. Why own your mistake when you can shit talk your buyer?

[@morganseppy5180]

You're so right

[@GunControlHelpsCriminals]

He’s completely wrong. I would say, there is no need to ever apologise, if you can put the errors on the customers.

[@marbellaotaiza801]

You can shit talk your customer _and_ get rewarded/promoted for it.

[@SpartyCubsFan]

Or citizen you allegedly work for

[@lance134679]

Baggage Claim definitely classes up Open Bar. 👍

[@morganseppy5180]

Agree about baggageclaim! She's smart and insightful yet totally approachable and charitable. I want her to tutor my kids.

[@GianaManetheren]

Zegler saying that is like me saying "for every hour you spend in the bathroom that I installed in your house I deserve to get payed".

[@rosssoyka860]

Hopefully you got paid upfront

[@seefoghall]

I think she should pay the audience for every hour they watch that trash pile.

[@robfromjersey7899]

I used to be a Disney shareholder. I sold my stock at the end of 2021. Best fiscal decision I ever made.

[@michaellee8815]

Zegler’s comment is like my plumber telling me every time I flush my toilet I have to pay him residuals. You get paid for a job, when you’re done you get a check. Next.

[@scottythedawg]

"Doc, Im snow white. I came from the future in a time machine you invented, now I need your help to smash the patriarchy" - Jennifer Lawrence

[@agitatedzone]

Robert: **mentions Buffy** MauLer: ಠ﹏ಠ

[@morganseppy5180]

Lol

[@Blu3-Fir3]

Robert isn't wrong tho. MauLer is just upset that someone is criticizing his sacred cow.

[@AlienShine]

BlackRock owns 6.6% of Disney. That's where it comes from. Enforcing behaviors, quoting the CEO.

[@Alt_Aly]

That's truly scary.

[@Grasslander]

Not only. Look at what kind of people are on the board of directors. They'll never let anyone else have the CEO position, for example.

[@morganseppy5180]

BlackRock is mercantile capitalism so you'd expect greed above all. So you should ask, 1) why do they have so much pull with the most weaponized lawyer team, and 2) why are they not just going for the lowest denominator of bewbs and action?

[@Lundarian1]

It's a foundation built on sand, they are money lenders, and they aren't getting returns, their position is basically a poison pill for everyone involved.

[@SumDumGy]

@@GrasslanderThat’s fine. Grab your popcorn and watch them run the Rodent House into the ground. I am!

[@rogerw3818]

Captain Flint said something like "Those new to power believe it has no limits. It does."

[@mrcliff3709]

Oh and in some works of fiction it shows it does

[@chrislyne377]

Rob's breakdown of modern Trek was masterful, powerful and utterly tragic to listen to. I found myself wanting to applaud him but I've also been left with a sense of profound sadness at what has been lost 🙁

[@kaiderhai86]

Star Trek ended with Nemesis! Sad indeed 😢

[@emhu2594]

Picard season 3 was as good as TNG.

[@kevinwilson455]

@@emhu2594 Season 3 hit a lot of good notes, but as a whole, Picard is tragic... the first two seasons were horrible and shite, the third season was just mouthwash, to wash the taste of shite out your mouth.

[@Maladjester]

The last Trek show I watched was Voyager, mostly because it's the last one that exists.

[@dreioo8759]

The moment I see Robert, I get all comfy and ready for some insightful and inspiring stories

[@jonbaxter2254]

He is great, love his insight into things behind the scenes.

[@alphacause]

Robert Myer Burnett is not just an astute film commentator, he is a philosopher of cinema. Any discussion around film or television is just made richer when he is part of the discussion. Thank you Drinker for bringing him on your program.

[@Maxxximilian90]

Same reason why John Campea’s channel is falling off without Rob.

[@alphacause]

@@Maxxximilian90 You are absolutely correct. The worst decision Campea ever made was letting Burnett go.

[@RM_VFX]

It's so weird that media now is afraid to push zoomers to want a partner or family because it might make them feel inadequate, but they substitute the unrealistic ideals of being a girl boss or a manchild. Imagine the crisis when those don't work out either.

[@lucasmonk4258]

I love when you get BaggageClaim on. And what she brought today, that Post-Modernist stuff was dark.

[@LoganWood121]

She's not hard on the eyes either.

[@aldunlop4622]

Yeah she’s great, always intelligent commentary.

[@vincelang3779]

I'd love a time stamp, if you can . . .

[@VinceP1974]

After watching so many youtube videos from the circle of people that Drinker is in... I was compelled to finally cancel my Netflix sub this week. When they asked why I wrote "I can no longer support Showrunners and Writers usurping my favorite IPs for their own purposes."

[@EmptyAltruism]

NICE!! It’s important to remember, and for them to remember…we don’t need them. They should act accordingly

[@theinnerlight8016]

If only a real human would read it and not a so called A. I. 😂

[@marbellaotaiza801]

Get off the pop cult folks, read "Don't Give Money To People Who HATE You".

[@sakrowley]

That means a lot. Glad you made it there.

[@grim_2000]

Isn't that Disney though? Netflix doesn't own many iconic IPs. The only thing that comes to mind is live-action adaptations of anime (Cowboy Bebop, Death Note, etc)

[@slevinlaine]

Oh wow! Baggage Claim is back! Happy to see her back in here : ). 6:50 thank you soo much Mauler! Wasn't sure what she said. Love you man.

[@bilson7523]

I still think Disney+'s boom was smoke and mirrors. When the service launched they had dozens of deals with ISPs, and millions of people ended up with a year free from those deals. I think what we saw in 2021/2022 was people realizing the service wasn't worth it once it wasn't free.

[@morganseppy5180]

Imo D+ is an unconscious self-own.

[@SumDumGy]

Not only all that but many people needed some sort of temporary pandemic outlet and the Rodent House originally promised the entirety of their back catalog.

[@alemander_01]

I love when Baggage Claim is on the Bar and DarkHour was a great addition. Bring him back! As always MauLer and Drinker great. Want some more full length commentaries.

[@DarkHourYT]

Aww, shucks, thank you. It's always fun at the Bar

[@marbellaotaiza801]

But no Critical Doggo. Boo, booo...

[@samuel5591]

Oh hell yes. Open Bar without having to wait 6 days is a treat!

[@SumDumGy]

Yes!! In all fairness though, he makes us wait four days, not six.

[@OmriGrin]

The conversation at 30:00 where they describe so many loose ends in the Marvel Universe, reminded me of the TV show Lost. How J.J Abraham kept on introducing new plot points as the seasons kept on. Until we arrive at the ludicrous ending to the whole plot and so many plot points left unaddressed. That's lazy writing. It's much easier to put something flashy just for it sake, but when you have to tie it down to the narative of in the next episode/film, you just ignore it because it doesn't serve you anymore.

[@Grasslander]

Yes. The numbers that everyone kept guessing about, and THERE WAS NO EXPLANATION. Even though I could come up with one: That they'd be "primal numbers" for life, sort of. Like fibonacci numbers and the Golden Cut are special. Another thing, they had "the box" that could get them anything from anywhere, including people. WHAT WAS IT? WHERE? And the mirror thing that could see anyone's lives - okay, but how did they know WHEN to look? Same with the box, how would you know where to get Sawyer's police records? And if the smoke monster was intelligent and could turn into a person the whole time, why didn't he just approach them and ask them to kill his brother from the beginning, threaten them if they wouldn't, instead of randomly attack them in the jungle? Well. Just BSing about the numbers was the biggest betrayal.

[@morganseppy5180]

JJ is a glutton for the Rule of Cool. But the caveat it's only for one-off things, otherwise actions (and plot points) have consequences and stories have resolutions.

[@SumDumGy]

I don’t think it was Abrams introducing all those. If memory serves, he left the show after the first season.

[@darthmartinez]

Drinker get ready for 104 degree hot Texas weather or 40 degrees Celsius if you want it metric. Here in San Antonio it has gotten up to 107 the hottest summer since last summer lol.

[@Redbad61]

I remember the Siskel & Ebert review of "Wrath of Khan." They weren't thrilled saying the space battle scenes were weak. They opined that 23rd-century weapons should be more destructive. Time has been very kind to the original Khan.

[@Grasslander]

Yay, Baggage Claim! It is always nice to see her on the show

[@emhu2594]

She's the epitome of pick me

[@EmptyAltruism]

I’d absolutely pick her

[@EmptyAltruism]

U mad bro?

[@ab-gail]

@@emhu2594 I’d say she’s the opposite. She’s a classy lady, has her own opinions and…wait for it… has already been picked. She’s married.

[@Grasslander]

@@zogwort1522 Or she has seen how people have been targeted, had their grades lowered or their careers sabotaged. That's your third option.

[@nathanddrews]

Funny anecdote about singing Klingons, there's a theater troop that does an annual "Klingon Christmas Carol" and it's amazing. Committed stage play rendition of the Dickens classic, but with actors speaking Klingon in a Star Trek setting.

[@kingleech16]

I don’t know whether to be delighted or terrified. What mad geniuses!

[@morganseppy5180]

Need a linkn or a name. "You haven't heard it in the original Klingon"!

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

I have actually seen some people declaring current Star Trek as a renaissance of the franchise. My first thought is: Are you serious?

[@emhu2594]

i enjoyed picard season 3 as much as TNG. TNG was not great but it had some great stuff about it. the rest of current star trek is unwatchable

[@FeelMyFerret]

Some episodes of Strange New Worlds have been amazing. Shame the rest have been so piss poor.

[@EmptyAltruism]

Insert J Jonah Jameson meme

[@morganseppy5180]

Agreed. I am GenX and my friends who grew up on TNG and DS9 who love Strange New Worlds and cope Lower Decks with "it's just not for me". And I say No. They were raving about the musical episode and picked their favorite singer. I said "musical episode in _STAR TREK_? What are you smoking can I have since??!"

[@SumDumGy]

I have a friend who has praised a lot of it, even as an OG fan. He says TNG hasn’t aged well. He also thought The Rise of Skywalker was “brilliant” so that’s all I needed to know.

[@AndYourLittleDog]

Hey Drinker, I found a charming modern retelling of Cinderella that didn’t go woke, didn’t insert a girl boss, emasculate the men and was actually a fun watch. It’s called 3 Wishes for Cinderella. This is a live action remake without an agenda that was thoroughly enjoyable and kid friendly.

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

It's a classic in Germany, we watch it every year when it's shown on tv.

[@AndYourLittleDog]

@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor that’s so sweet. It somehow managed to tick a few boxes but wasn’t obnoxious about it and told a good story. Ahem. For modern audiences

[@amarawinchester963]

I’m going to watch it. Did you see the Italian “Cinderella” Miniseries from 2011? That was really good! Highly recommended

[@scarlett19b]

*The movie: 🎬"Ever After" starring: Drew Barrymore as Cinderella and Anjelica Huston as Her Evil stepmother is a true Classic!*

[@kevinoneil5120]

Doing this on a Wednesday really fucked with my internal clock. I spent all last Thursday thinking it was Friday... THANKS, DRINKER! 😤

[@GunControlHelpsCriminals]

Time doesn’t exist anyway. It’s just a way of measuring the interaction of a body in relation to other elements in the universe. That’s why all time and distance measures are about motion. So don’t hide behind fictions

[@rosssoyka860]

Thanks bro, I’m *off* today HAHHA

[@alphacause]

I have never understood why an actor/actress gets residual payments every time their film or show airs, but other creatives don't get the same luxury. For example, if a software developer designs an application that makes a company hundreds of thousand of dollars, he his paid for the work he does in coding that application upfront. He doesn't get paid into perpetuity, every time that software makes the company money. Why are actors and actresses given this special treatment? I understand the practical reason as to why they get this deal, because their unions fought for it. My question is what is the rationale for this, when creatives in other industries are never afforded this luxury?

[@niallrussell7184]

I used to work in game dev, and royalties were a way for publishers, to pay less upfront, and reward the dev studio if the game was a success. The dev studio did the identical thing with the employees, less wages and royalties as motivation to make a better game. Projects got bigger, required more people/time, and a lot more expensive. Lucky to find anyone getting them now.

[@joehenry9546]

Originally it’s due to the add revenue from a highly watched show or licensed movie. But, in todays market, it just doesn’t make a lot of sense.

[@swanvictor887]

I can only speak for the British BBC here, ( I used to be a cameraman back in the 80s!). Because British TV has much less money to spend than the USA, the BBC had to pay relatively low wages to even quite big-name actors....however, they would receive royalties every time the show they were in, was repeated. To give you a rule of thumb, if David Jason received $1000 for each episode of the very first series of Only Fools and Horses, then if the show was repeated - and they were repeated a great deal! - then the actors get a multiplication of their original salary by the number of years since it was made...therefore, IF the BBC decided to rebroadcast the original series on its main network today, 42 years after the first showing, then David Jason would receive $42,000. The Commercial network - ITV- paid more 'Upfront' but rarely repeated shows, avoiding royalty payments. With new shows literally costing Millions to produce, repeating old shows and paying royalties, makes more financial sense to fill air-time.

[@paulware4701]

The writers and actors on original Trek had lived through World War II; they understood real horror and they knew how real soldiers spoke and behaved. The modern writers and actors have nothing in their past to draw on so everything they do is shallow and vapid.

[@Baseballnfj]

It's so sad but we have crossed the Rubicon a long time ago... the long slow decline to our inevitable catastrophic ending has begun in haste. Our best is far behind us.

[@marbellaotaiza801]

Tolkien fought in WW1, Cervantes fought in Lepanto, Homer was a hoplite... These guys didnn't need to have fought in Irak or Afghanistan, but at least be knowledgeable enough about war literature and cinema not to sound like your worst nightmare is being served the wrong kind of latte at starbucks...

[@woodwyrm]

Kor would show up in DS9, one of the best send offs of all time for both actor and character btw

[@sofieruquiba1190]

Stupidly enough the writers screwed up the Thanedd Coup, Nilfgaard attacks the Northern Kingdoms 3 times in the Witcher franchise, 1. To get Cirilla where Cintra is destroyed. 2. After the battle of Sodden Hill where Vilgefortz is suppose to win the battle instead YENNEFER, The Emperor Emhyr Var Emreis decides that Nilfgaard has to weaken the mages so he & Vilgefortz plan the Thanedd Coup to kill most of them. Visdamir Dijkstra & Philippa Eilhart had their own plans so Thanedd arc was gripping in the books. The writers completely destroy that in the show by making all characters idiots. The third time Nilfgaard attacks the Northern Kingdoms is in the games so it a nice continuation. Philippa Eilhart created the Lodge of Sorcerers because of the Thanedd Coup but you know YENNEFER is Lauren Hirsch self insertion so of course Yennefer does this in the show. In the Witcher franchise Yennefer doesn't join the lodge of Sorcerers making her stand out but Lauren Hirsch will cut out things about Yennefer that actually make her a likeable character just to shove her in the show more

[@luke8801]

Also in the show Yennefer is the one who suggests the conclave. Everything is given to her, Vilgefortz suggests it in the book to easily bring down the Brotherhood after gaining power.

[@sofieruquiba1190]

@luke8801 Yennefer is Lauren Hirsch self insertion so she has to get all the better storylines and I think if Lauren could have made Yennefer a Witcher to be the protagonist, she would have done it. Blood Origin’s is as close as Lauren Hirsch could get though.

[@carlettoburacco9235]

At the time, as soon as I finished watching all the episodes of Star Trek TOS, I was able to buy 3 volumes with the original stories from which the scripts were taken. For some episodes there was even the complete script. I discovered something I hadn't even looked at in the rolling titles. I immediately recognized most of the names of the authors: they were all established and famous science fiction writers or screenwriters. The short stories were perfect even in a book form. Those who "create" at the moment are not even able to write the price on a stamp.

[@akidodogstar5460]

Few people write for pleasure anymore.

[@PolarizedMechs]

Roddenberry assembled a dream team of sci-fi authors and put his own polish on it. They still churned out a few turds, but on the whole, they did a nice job.

[@madgizmo2212]

The greatest flaw of the musical episode is that the Klingons weren't singing Opera.

[@SumDumGy]

The greatest flaw was that it happened at all.

[@bilson7523]

Hear Sons of Kahless! Hear Daughters Too! The blood of battle washes clean the warrior brave and true!

[@matthewcollins4773]

AKTUH... MELOTA!! MELOOOOOOTAAAA!

[@herbstalkens2730]

That's what I was hoping for when they showed up. Missed opportunity

[@aldunlop4622]

I thought it was because it turned Star Trek into a joke, but ok.

[@tonyng9]

Witcher writer says they have to simplify plot for young U.S. audiences with short attention spans... but the vast majority of people who heard of the Witcher franchise came from the games, which has 100+ hours of story driven gameplay on each title. The books were in Polish and it was impossible to get an English copy until the games made them popular.

[@mhc706]

Imagine a Hawkeye show where: It begins with him raising his children with his wife. The wife and kids beg him to take them to the city for a Christmas celebration. He doesn’t want to, but agrees to make them happy. They are kidnapped. He is told he has x days to get 1 billion dollars because “surely the richest hero on earth would loan his friend a little pocket change” (telling him to get it from Tony stark) He begins hunting the group down because he wants nothing to do with the avengers anymore, or if this is set after Tony died then because the kidnappers didn’t know Tony was dead. He hunts down and beats up some smaller groups but can’t find his family. Eventually he finds a group already being attacked. He investigates and meets the punisher. Both military men, one lost his family to a mob family, one trying to save his. They team up to take out kidnappers. Neither of them argue about murdering mass murderers, torturers, blackmailers, kidnappers. They kill the bad guys, high five, and head their separate ways. Then as a after credits scene on the very last episode we see the punisher taking out another group of criminals solo, he starts losing the upper hand to the boss when an arrow comes in from above taking out the boss. Punisher looks up to see Hawkeye in a window, he propels down and lands in front of punisher. “What are you doing here?” The punisher asks, wiping blood and sweat from his face. “Aren’t you supposed to be with your family?” “Christmas would be the same without the whole family” Hawkeye replies “we all hope you can make it” The punisher replies “we’ll see, lotta bad folks still out here need to be put in gift boxes for the morticians” he smirks and gives a little fake laugh as he tries to stand up but he gets put off balance by a sudden cough. Hawkeye supports him from the side, his arm around the punishers back in such a way that the scene transitions to them both in nearly the same position but with out their suits, the background changes from a bloody gruesome massacred criminal groups warehouse to warm cottage decorated for Christmas, Hawkeyes kids running toward the punisher now wearing clean regular clothes, the camera slowly pans up to the angel atop the Christmas tree as we hear the kids yelling “uncle Frank uncle Frank you made it!!”

[@mhc706]

“Christmas wouldn’t** be the same”

[@caseycockerham3925]

It would be a Christmas classic

[@brentninedorf6617]

I’d watch that!

[@paleface171]

That sounds quite lovely.

[@marbellaotaiza801]

-"just like Budapest all over again" -"You and I remember Budapest very differently." The Black Widow movie and the Hawkeye show we deserved.

[@TheGalacticWest]

Quinns ideas breaks down Blindsight and many other good sci-fi books really well.

[@whenpigsfly8178]

Xena had a musical episode too, but it's purpose was mystical and a way for Xena and Gabriel to resolve their issues. Of course, Xena had somewhat jumped the shark by that point in my eyes, moving from Ancient Greece to Christianity. But it was a musical episode done right, like Buffy. The singing klingons just seems to be a symptom of the futurama/rick n morty'isation of sci fi. I like those two shows, but there's a time and place for everything. At least Warhammer 40k, which I've only recently discovered the lore of through their library of fiction novels, is mostly serious and deals with a lot of adult themes, despite some occasional goofiness.

[@jessesmith7932]

It's always a treat when Robert's on

[@jonbaxter2254]

Agree.

[@BlueSkyBS]

I think Baginski's thoughts on Americans and their tastes for complexity were based on the Americans he was encountering as the producer of The Witcher, which was Hissrich and her crew. So from that point of view, he was entirely correct.

[@bewmdogg]

Good to hear from you guys. Living in Cambodia, it is a welcome relief for some pop culture discussions.

[@EmptyAltruism]

Hello Cambodian friend! Greetings from 🇺🇸

[@ab-gail]

Hello Mr. (Or Miss) Cambodian!

[@DerrickRG91]

So cool to see guys like DarkHour get the attention he deserves. Good on you Drinker for helping the "little guy" out.

[@DarkHourYT]

The little guy... you been talking to my exes?

[@drointhewind480]

Just started watching some of his stuff, hes gonna be big soon

[@Dash277]

Just wanted to say this was a really good crew to have on. Not too many people. I really like hearing from Drinker and Mauler on every collaboration, and I'd like to hear more of Baggage Claim. I think she offers a great perspective. Dark and Robert did a great job here too. Good chemistry all around.

[@nathansolo2605]

I think the sequel trilogy would have been better if Boyega was the storm trooper who develops force abilities. The opening scenes could have had Boyega’s abilities stuffing up the killing of the villagers. Ren notices and tries to take Boyega to go to the dark side and Luke tries to bring Boyega’s character to the light side of the force.

[@bilson7523]

I love Mauler's summary of the problem with Phase 4/5... What they did to War Machine/Rhodie is emblematic of the entire issue: Rhodie being a Skrull was just something thrown in, and it undermines and ruins everything with that character. It sapped my entire investment, because there is no reward for keeping up anymore. It's not going anywhere, and what we're getting isn't enjoyable on its own.

[@SumDumGy]

It would have been fine had they just changed the timeframe to something after Endgame.

[@Mysticmegster1]

Regarding young people being on Tik Tok: i sat watching Oppenheimer in the cinema. The young people who sat watching it too, stayed for 3 hours. No one left or lost interest

[@anthonysaylor8120]

Speaking of a charming, modern retelling of Snow White, Once Upon a Time. We also get such gems as this interaction in season 1 - Emma: A tie? You know you don't need to dress a woman as a man to give her authority. Graham: So you think you can get people do what you want in that red coat? Emma: I'm getting you to do what I want right now. [crumples and tosses the uniform shirt]

[@macmachine]

The Singing Kingons. Great name for a band.

[@sab3redg333]

The funny thing is that Klingons are probably the only race i can think of that will sing war stories and make songs and opera the most powerful and depressing endeavor for people in universe but i think even they will find that musical sequence a thousand times more terrifying

[@SenpaiXcore]

The celestial in the MCU reminds me of the Sword of Sargeras in World of Warcrafts Legion Expansion. In the end there was this dark god like creature who stabbed the planet with a sword and it caused quite a ruckus for a few months and then it was just forgotten and even became a meme in Q&A's. "What sword?" is the response you'd get when you ask. In general this seems to be a huge problem in long lasting media, both games and movies. Few can pull it off but just a few. While some ideas in the MCU aren't half as bad the continuity is just so bad because they cannot be asked to pick up the loose ends others left behind to create a well knitted universe. Like Mauler said you can easily see this in post endgame media. Even if the agenda wasn't as annoying you'd still have stories who don't interact with each other despite having established this team- based hero adventures.

[@modetraining2961]

Baggage Claims older videos concentrating on narcissism are a must watch! She breaks the topic down very well

[@booboobingbang]

Thanks for that, I'm a new fan and yes good call.

[@bluecollarloser6654]

1:41:17 Lol had to bust Darkhours balls because i love him. Glad to see him on Open Bar AGAIN. He deserves all the recognition he's getting

[@P.T.S.E.]

The movie is called: Snow of Color and the Numerous Magical Forest Creatures. Another Disney classic.

[@Shiirow]

"I saw that movie on a plane and had to use all my willpower to not walk out of the theater."

[@HisNameWasCrazy]

I'm still haunted by the release of JJ's original Star Trek reboot, the posters everywhere covered with 4 and 5 Star recommendations, hearing people say time and time again that it was the best Star Trek movie of all time (mainly because it "wasn't boring") and being insulted by people I knew for not liking it claiming that I hated fun. So glad those movies are now all but forgotten and everyone seems to have come around to the truth.

[@PolarizedMechs]

I liked the first reboot movie in the same way that I can enjoy a good Star Trek fanfiction.

[@Mjdemass]

Lady Baggage Claim always a great addition

[@Batlafication]

You forgot to mention wendy when talking about self-love, her happiness derives from wanting to die alone

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

Minor quibble...I think Star Trek did deal with interpersonal relationships significantly, DS9 did, especially regarding Kira and Odo and Ben and Cassidy. It was just done less frequently and in a very mature way.

[@alphacause]

You have Baggage Claim and Robert Myer Burnett on the program! This should be interesting.

[@morganseppy5180]

@baggageClaim should never be last minute. She's great

[@andypocalypse]

If a company makes me a conservatory and I pay them for it, do they have the right to make me pay for every hour I spend in it? NO

[@mikedandois2031]

Always happy to hear a mention of Peter Watts, thanks Robert! Blindsight is excellent, so is The Rifters trilogy (Starfish, Maelstrom, Behemoth), as is everything else I have read from him. I definitely recommend it to anyone who likes Sci-Fi (so most of the people watching this). His writing is on the darker and harder side of the Sci-Fi spectrum.

[@agitatedzone]

Mauler knows stuff and i think that is beautiful

[@Okami1313]

They say they want more female representation in fantasy, but then ignore amazing stories that already do have a female lead like the mistborn series

[@steveanderson6170]

C'mon guys! Pretending to be a fairy tale Princess is REALLY hard work!

[@morganseppy5180]

I can imagine there is a lot of standing around and long hours But you could also be spending the same 12 hours working unskilled labor in Southern summer heat. Or worse, you could be mining cobalt without tools or digging through trash in developing nations. Maybe she needs to do a charity junket to these places to get a bit of perspective.

[@diojiabunai]

Yeah. Then she'll go on KZbin and ask people making $9 per hour to help end poverty.

[@DannyOConnor1991]

Baggage Claim is superb

[@jamierussellville101]

Just wanna say as a women I love when you have women on your panel. Especially Baggage Claim, I really resonate with her videos and enjoy her calm reason and opnions.

[@rupertbath2748]

Robert Meyer Burnett , I looked up Blindsight and have ordered a copy of it as I want to read it now.

[@adriankay8410]

"How long do I have to wear this chickenshit outfit?" - Snow White.

[@LoganWood121]

Hudson, come here. COME. HERE.

[@peregrination3643]

When this was live in my subscription feed, I legitimately thought I had lost track of my week and thought it was Thursday for a few hours, lol.

[@marbellaotaiza801]

It happened to everyone...

[@chrisheath5888]

Apparently they were outbid by Viacom 18, who is a partner company of Paramount. So they lost streaming cricket rights in India by not having enough money (or desire) to win the contract.

[@editmanrgg2844]

Wow no Drinkers Chasers only the raw open bar!

[@jon4tina]

Robert Meyer Burnett is Jonathan Frakes in disguise

[@hisokameruem]

Talking about Buffy made me so happy, I love that show so much ❤❤❤ And Once more with a feeling was hilarious, but devastated episode, made so much impact to the show and us viewers 👌❤️ Also I couldn't agree more with Robert about the new Spock being essentially Sheldon - that's so true, unfortunately... they butchered my favorite character!!!

[@2010justj]

As an actor if I get a role on a movie I should be paid every single time someone streams that movie. That would be the same if I told you hey I'm going to make you a new front door but I get paid every single time you open it. See how crazy that sounds LOL

[@pablorages1241]

I support the Film Actors Guild !

[@jacobneumann5021]

That's the F.A.G. way

[@centerfield6339]

This lineup was great tonight. Smart, balanced, honest.

[@caseycockerham3925]

The only reason why these 3rd string marvel movies (captain marvel), etc.... we're even successful was because people wanted to see how it lead into the infinity saga

[@scionofdorn9101]

Drinker certainly is the most functional alcoholic I’m aware of. I don’t really understand the appeal, hangovers just aren’t worth it, but he seems to thrive in his high ethanol environment.

[@aldunlop4622]

Man you sound judgemental. Climb down off your high horse.

[@tubetorpedo]

Baggage Claim: Why don't writers write something for their own age group? I think Robert Meyer Burnett already said it. They do write something for their own (age) group, they try to write things like they are Big Bang Theory or Buffy because that is ALL they know and can write, sardonic teenagers in different forms. Many modern writers do not have a large pool of knowledge of classical stories and storytelling or personal experience deeper than a Starbucks cup, where to draw their ideas to their stories and characters. They are not widely read or experienced things outside their own tiny circles/bubbles and while writers might be in their 40's they do not have similar backgrounds like e.g. people who lived their youth from 1940's to 1980's had. Many of them simply are quite ignorant or even stupid and characters and plots can only be as smart as their writers are. Thus you get things like angry villains who can travel back in time but instead of actually trying to prevent the thing that made them angry in the first place, they just plot revenge instead.

[@teekaa2520]

Hey Guys, you're forgetting Deep Space Nine, the best show of the TNG era of Star Trek. They had a lot of relationships. And they had a lot of development in relationships and characters, thereby becoming a forerunner to serialized storytelling. TLDR: Star Trek DS9 did do relationships and they did it well. 🍻Cheers🍻

[@mihirapte]

Always a pleasure to be an audience of the Open Bar! love all of you!

[@agiksf.8998]

1:00:00 This part made me think of Black Mirror. That's where all the creativity and exploration went to with regards to sci-fi. I haven't watched all the seasons, but what I did watch was very interesting, thought provoking and it was based on our current tech to make you question the direction we are heading.

[@darrenjosephgregory]

When I watched the Star Trek musical episode I kind of enjoyed it, I think also because I had heard so many people complaining about it without any genuine criticism. On reflect, Robert's comments in particular, and I feel the episode is poor. A couple of things I noticed when watching, the songs all sound similar, the Klingon song an exception perhaps. And more importantly, I think in addition to what everyone said, when you compare with Buffy, Once More With Feeling, was what six or seven season into the show, I think if you are going to do a musical you need to have a more fully, well established show before you can do a musical episode.

[@Onmur]

Drinker shows the Star Trek clip, it has been muted by KZbin due to copyright. Mauler: "Silence is the only thing you can do with that."

[@michaelplowman8674]

I'm going to defend 65. That movie's biggest problem, imo, was it went straight into "world ending event" instead of giving us an "Enemy Mine" like scenario where he and the girl have to learn how to survive together and communicate so they can be rescued. Make that movie 30 minutes longer or cut other stuff out so you can have that and it's a perfectly fine movie.

[@grim_2000]

It's not terrible imo, but it's not good. I don't think adding a little fix to it would change much. Honestly, the whole film would've been better as a video game. It already feels like one at times

[@joelreis5366]

Funny trivia about Ricardo Montalban in Wrath of Khan. A lot of people thought he used some sort of chest and stomach piece to appear fit and warrior like. He was actually that shredded during the filming of the movie. Edit: Made in Abyss has an excellent premise and amazing world building, but it has very controversial themes since it involves kids.

[@charlestonjew7587]

and Best Dadrewd

[@nathansolo2605]

Why am I not watching movies, preferring movies to TV shows, and watching this type of content. Miss Baggage Claim is a delight and unlike Nerdrotic the boys let her talk.

[@amidworkin]

The hawk eye doctor strange scenario is essentially what HISHE does every week

[@kevinwatson234]

Love this Robert guy

[@TheRelease182]

The only good thing on Disney+ is, Bluey

[@chilicoma6930]

Drinker, you slovenly sleek stalwart. Thank you for uploading the full ep before the chasers. Fructose always tastes better after ethanol 😎👍

[@applepye1353]

There are wonderfully written fantasy novels that are female centric. The Heralds of Valdemar is a good example. The Crown of Stars is another.

[@josephw.1463]

Tanith Lee's _The Birthgrave_ is another, if you're into her brand of fantasy (and I certainly was, back in the day); her "Flat Earth" series told a lot of tales from the women's point of view. Stephen Donaldson's _Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant_ , despite the title, were largely told from Linden Hollian's point of view, or my memory fails me, and I don't think it does (his "space opera" _Gap_ series is epic and switches viewpoints a lot, but the plurality is from the viewpoint of its heroine, Morn Hyland). Jean Auel's _The Horse Goddess_ is yet another. Ah, my misspent youth...but the heroines in these series, they were convincingly feminine, and the stories stood up well on their merits.

[@applepye1353]

@@josephw.1463 I will have to try to find those. Thank you for the recommendations.

[@defeqel6537]

Robin Hobb has a few good series with female protagonists, Brandon Sanderson too

[@PolarizedMechs]

The Elfquest saga was good until its final year of existence, when Wendy Pini turned it into her own political rant. ("I hate guns, so I'm going to have Moonshade murdered by one for no reason!") Up until then, it was some great fantasy adventure stories.

[@josephw.1463]

@@PolarizedMechs Back when I read it, though (and I only read the four bound volumes, not the later stuff), the focus was more on Cutter and Skywise than Leetah.

[@igorbednarski8048]

One of the saddest things about The Witcher is what happened to Bagiński. His career blew up when he nominated for the Oscar in 2002 for an animation he made on his PC. He started a massively successful CGI company that made the trailers to all the Witcher games, made the promotional video for the Rosetta mission (starring Aidan Gileen), CGI for Hollywood movies (including the MCU) - and they also did amazing modern retellings of classic Polish legends (keeping the core of the story intact, but e.g. replacing a dragon with a giant robot). He was one of the reasons why people in Poland were actually very excited about the Netflix show before it came out... it's unbelievable that the Bagiński I knew is the same Bagiński that is now ruining the Witcher and giving these deranged, absolutely shameful interviews 😢. Tomek, what the kurwa have you done?

[@forrestredd2706]

Season 3 of Picard was really everything I could have asked for. If you had taken Raffi out of the story, I feel it would have been as good as you could possibly expect. She was my only gripe about it.

[@aldunlop4622]

The story/plot was utterly absurd, the evil bad lady was ridiculous and the whole season was just jammed in nostalgia. If that’s what a appeals to you, well, good for you, you got what you wanted.

[@neilarora8626]

Hey! Stock analyst here, when it comes to why Disney stock was down in 2021 even though like you guys said they were still pumping out content- it’s because markets/stocks are usually forward looking. While in 2021 Disney seemed to have been doing better than this current year in hindsight, markets already started pricing in disneys coming losses/reduced gains on the tv/movie side of things.

[@nathansolo2605]

I remember Time Bandits, Terry Gilliam if I remember correctly. There was something about that movie that stuck with me being a child at that time.