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[@AnonymousNoNayme]

The best comment i've see regarding Joker 2: Musical Boogaloo is: "They were so angry that nobody committed an atrocity at the premier of the first movie that they had to commit one themselves". When Joker says to Harley "I don't feel like singing anymore" after she rejects him ppl routinely clap, laugh (or yell out "GOOD!") at every screening in my theater just ftr.

[@Blizofoz45]

54:22 Daisy Ridley was cast because she's flat chested and British. She doesn't make women feel jealous/insecure with a hint of "royalty" in her accent.

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

Not that you'd be able to see anything anyway in that beige garbo outfit she wore till the end of the trilogy.

[@theemissary1313]

I had wondered why 'strong female leads' were all weirdly androgynous. I assumed it was reflecting the skinny supermodel body type, but your explanation makes more sense.

[@ACDGibson]

Yeah, she's kinda discount Keira Knightley

[@sharkc3396]

@@ACDGibson Keira would have done a good job acting.

[@matalostodos]

Wokeism originated in London, Tel Aviv, Brussels, new york, paris, Hollywood. Check out the demographics for those cities, it will surprise you the unusual concentration of bacon-dodging “whites” live specifically in those cities that are a tiny minority everywhere else in those countries.

[@Darkington]

A lot of people say Tolkien would hate the Jackson trilogy, but he actually wrote about the topic of movie adaptations. He was pretty open to the idea of his work being "vulgarized." Accepting that his work couldn't possibly be properly adapted 1:1 to screen. The issue he had was the "sillification" of his work. Referring to a lack of respect for the characters and muddying of the tone he wished to convey in The Lord of the Rings. Based on that, I think he would like the Jackson Trilogy as an adaptation. I think we all agree Jackson definitely kept the correct tone while trying to be as faithful as realistically possible when adapting book to film.

[@easygrin1127]

Doesn't matter if he liked it or not. People loved it... Inlike the Rings of power

[@Roflcrabs]

I think he would have enjoyed it. The acting, the sets, the costumes, the cinematography and the score I don't think will ever be topped. It really was the sweet spot in the time of cinema where we had the technology and know-how to make convincing costumes, sets, props and we weren't lazily overly reliant on CGI just yet and yes DEI wasn't a thing. I'm Samoan, I'm brown. I could care less about being represented, stuff is more entertaining when people are allowed to share their vision and arbitrary limitations like DEI have proven to produce apathy. Diversity is great and all in the 21st century but dumping it into every village in Middle Earth in Rings of Power is truly jarring. Like Wakanda didn't seem particularly diverse in Black Panther 2, the double standards are really jarring.. Oops I went on a little white supremacist rant my bad. Sorry. Um, I think Tolkien would have liked it. LOTR may seem like a big fun popcorn movie to us and we're probably assuming an old man from 100 years ago wouldn't get a kick out of it but there's never going to be a greater adaptation. I'm not a massive LOTR fan though Fellowship would be in my top 10. We won't ever know but if heaven happens to be real (I doubt it is, no disrespect to religious folk at all sincerely) if heaven were real (and assuming I went there) I'd love to see Tolkien's reaction to the Jackson movies. Like, I would watch the hell out of that on Heaven KZbin where he's like "hahah ohoh goodness gracious how on Earth did they do this? My word!"

[@ghostbearr1]

While I think Tolkien would have liked the Trilogy. I think he would have been annoyed at the film treatment of Mary and Pippin, the four hobbits and Aragorn should have been the main characters. Mary and Pippn were treated like side characters and comic relief. I love the movies.

[@matthew5226]

​@@RoflcrabsI am genuinely amazed KZbin filters even let you post that without getting the comment ghost deleted

[@Roflcrabs]

@@matthew5226 I'm brown so it's all good. Reddit however.. I got permanently banned the other day for saying afrobeats is an annoying genre full of pretentious black people who can't sing and cover up their lack of talent by maxing out the auto-tune. Because black people are incapable of being pretentious in the world of Reddit mods. It's an exclusively black genre, the singing blows. Even if you disagree it's music, it's art, it's a subjective medium. Not sure where the racist part comes in. Bagpipe music is annoying but nobody would get banned for saying "I can't stand annoying bagpipe music by pretentious Scotsmen" but that's Reddit for you. Pardon the rant again.

[@watch-Dominion-2018]

Theo is Theoden's ancestor. Bronwyn is Eowyn's ancestor. MerryMac is Merry's ancestor. GrandElf names Gondor after he sees Grond open a door.

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

"HODOR! HODOR!" - Hodor - 'HBO's A Game Of Thrones' 🤣🤣🤣

[@daarom3472]

Grond door Grondoor G'ondoor Gondoor Gondor

[@leannerose6181]

"thank you Grandelf" *Me watching tv* "shut up"

[@Zac_Frost]

🤦‍♂

[@mvader7188]

Why couldn't they make the Blue wizards? Nope, here's totes not GANDALF!!!

[@daarom3472]

​@@mvader7188why? why? why? why? why? Insert x 1000 whyyyyyy?

[@thundercron77]

Joker 2 sounds like a Matrix 4 situation, where some say the director purposely torpedoed the movie simply because they didn't want anyone else to do the movie, but didn't want to do the movie themself either.

[@kellywilson137]

Creatives are weird man. Imagine if the Game of Thrones guys jumped ship after they ran out of material. Their Legacy would be intact even if HBO got another guy to do the last seasons.

[@hirudinaria]

Or....... They did get the materials from Martin when they made S08 😮😮😮​@@kellywilson137

[@txsiimk]

Matrix 4 is really underrated

[@AnonymousNoNayme]

Himself, but yeah.

[@schwartzy65]

​@@txsiimk its pure shit

[@stewartpower7948]

Disney phased out Bluray in Aus. Cancelled my D+ and told them why. People still want physical media.

[@aldunlop4622]

I got my D+ for free from TPG. Cancelled it as soon as the 12 months was up. Fuck Disney.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Kinda wild how RoP came and went. Yeah, there was some discussion online, but it seems to have just left the national conciousness with barely any impact. It's worse than bad. It's boring.

[@banhammer3904]

All of the decent scriptwriters are busy working on the election.

[@michaelplowman8674]

At least the Avatar movies make a bunch of money.

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

"YOU'RE F!@$ING BORING!" - AZ - Legit 💯🤨👍

[@Fujtajblus]

1:35:40 - rings of power discussion starts -- i clicked through the video, sorry just to share only this time stamp

[@gaunter6160]

Thank you king

[@tbu987ify]

Thanks can you let us know when they start and stop talking about joker 2 as i don't want spoilers.

[@WamdiSunka]

Appreciate it 🫡

[@B_Man99]

Thank you sir

[@dalet8777]

45:32 they are done talking about Joker 2

[@RikkSpencer]

I HATE that Blu-Ray is dying.

[@LittleMopeHead]

Are we stuck with compressed video or audio streams now? I really enjoyed the best consumer video and TrueHD/DTS-MA audio that comes with some Blu-Rays.

[@Raskolnikov70]

Could this be how H-wood drives people back into the theaters? Home video wrecked the industry over 20 years ago, once DVD's and big-screen TV's with good sound systems became affordable to the average person. BluRay is a must for it, because the streaming services have been caught red-handed corrupting the video quality of their streams in order to save bandwidth. If BluRay isn't available, and people are forced to watch new movies as washed-out and murky 720p streams, it might convince more people to buy movie tickets.

[@purplefidelity5162]

I’ll be honest…I didn’t know it was still alive.

[@phillmac3951]

There is just not enough good content being produced to justify the whole blu-ray industry

[@JuT11]

@@LittleMopeHead just pirate stuff

[@Quirkywatch]

I refuse to let it ruin the first one for me. So to me it’s like a “what if?” stand-alone movie.

[@AnonymousNoNayme]

There is only one Joker film

[@Wdavidmetzger]

Jaws and Ghostbusters vibes. If you made it perfect why ever touch it again? It will never get better.

[@sharkc3396]

If you stop the Batman after they catch the Riddler, it's a way better movie.

[@tylergoodman3560]

I will never watch the Joker sequel. 🎉

[@AnonymousNoNayme]

I will pirate it and fast forward the musical parts just to see how bad they fumbled it for myself.

[@Raskolnikov70]

@@AnonymousNoNayme I'll pirate it and immediately delete it without watching it at all, just because I can.

[@ArmyStrike]

That leaves more Joker sequel for the rest of us.

[@HowToChangeName]

I'll just Pacific Rim 2'd this one.

[@drakethesnek6429]

I've yet to watch the last SW movie. I'll do the same with the joker sequel.

[@enigmaodell6806]

“Haven’t done a proper Batman tv show since the sixties” he says, ignoring Batman the animated series, some of the best Batman stuff ever produced.

[@AnonymousNoNayme]

A lot of ppl just say "tv show" as shorthand for "live action television series"

[@rickyp7984]

lol even my mom who had no interest in watch the first one ended up loving Joker . Before this movie even came out she said she wasn’t going to watch it cause she felt they ended the first one perfectly.

[@sfall616]

She's right ✅️

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

Drinker,a bit of television trivia: Agnes Moorehead also starred in an extremely weird episode of The Twilight Zone,where she played a hillbilly mountain dweller who is visited by tiny alien "invaders." One of the best TZ episodes,the ending will blow your mind! 😊👍

[@aldunlop4622]

Yeah, great episode, great series.

[@AnonymousNoNayme]

Unfortunate last name for a woman.

[@kevinjackman4026]

I believe that's the first episode of the whole series.

[@alexholker1309]

The solar plant mentioned at the start of the video is almost certainly a solar concentrator design - instead of using a massive array of solar panels to turn sunlight into electricity, you use a massive array of mirrors to focus sunlight onto a furnace which heats a liquid to power a turbine. It's an Archimedes' Heat Ray aimed at a solar hot water system.

[@banhammer3904]

These can be built on a small scale to power and heat homes. If there is one cooking birds mid-flight, it must be massive.

[@zlboyle90]

Does it hide a super weapon though?

[@banhammer3904]

@@zlboyle90 Despite it being used in at least three of the James Bond movies, I don't think there are any solar powered directed energy weapons. Solar power ain't all that powerful.

[@aldunlop4622]

Yeah, I know the one, and I remember the story. Pre-cooked geese falling out of the sky sounds like a win though:) Imagine being a technician, going out to do some routine maintenance and a goose literally explodes above your head! Trippy.

[@alexholker1309]

@@banhammer3904 The one I know about is over a square kilometer, for a maximum output of 100 megawatts - about 1/3rd of my local coal-fired power station.

[@strambino1]

Audience: Joker is a great character! Film maker: oh really… let us subvert your expectations. Audience: Ok never mind you Rian Johnsoned him too.

[@blackscorpionstinger]

Funny thing is, Rian haven’t actually done significant work compared to Todd. Todd Philip is a very hit and then miss kind of guy. So “they Todd Philliped this movie” sound more accurate 😂

[@AnonymousNoNayme]

@@blackscorpionstinger Rian Johnson did intentionally set out to f*ck up Luke Skywalker as a character so it fits in the vein of intentional subversion/character assassination

[@richardcoleman3425]

The only reason they won't bring back the Nobbits ("Not-Hobbits") in ROP is because they don't want to show on screen The Founding and Ethnic-Cleansing of the Shire... As for 1979's Salem's Lot... It's great! Just watched it this morning - great character development, strong performances, a couple of really good jump-scares.. James Mason is amazing, and all the cast play it for real - Not a bad performance from any of them. Totally recommend it. 🖖

[@aldunlop4622]

Well the Hobbits in canon split into 3 groups and travel seperately over the Misty Mountains to the Shire, so maybe the black "Nobbits" err.."didn't make it".

[@crimsonpotemkin]

If the animation at the start is about the Jungian Shadow, then that's not how it was resolved in the first movie. Arthur was a victim his entire life until he let his shadow overtake him in the subway, where he killed those guys. The movie ends with him embracing it fully. The animation implies that his shadow took control over him and then he just faced the consequences for its actions, but that's not how it works and not how it played out. The last few scenes of him going "you wouldn't get it" show him embracing what he has become, not just being a victim again.

[@slang1517]

Yes, and that's what he ends up stating explicitly. There is no shadow/joker. It was all Arthur. I think the purpose of the cartoon at the start was not to depict things as they happened, but simply to depict the narrative that would be proposed (by his laywer, among others) and then ultimately shot down and debunked. Which is weird.

[@JB-vq6oe]

I’m just waiting for the day Rian Johnson Rian Johnson’s Rian Johnson.

[@nicholasvinen]

It would certainly subvert my expectations if he made a good film.

[@dorn0531]

Todd Phillips never intended to make a Joker movie, he never wanted people to empathise with Arthur & the sequel was designed to destroy the original. He’s come out publically saying all of this. Why anyone would think it could be good is beyond me. Phillips proudly declared that he made it this way on purpose.

[@AnonymousNoNayme]

Nobody actually empathized with him. It was just a great villain origin story. People love a good (evil) villain. Most people saw it like Fight Club, as a critique of hyperfemininity/the woke mind-virus (blaming every one of your problems on everyone else/certain groups/"the system"/"the man"/society/etc. without any personal responsibility or self-awareness) Of course as far left progressives that wasn't their intention at all so they got super butthurt about it cuz they stupidly made a genius movie entirely by accident and expected everyone to be horrified instead of being like "Omg that was so good/fitting, great job these guys get it!" (they, in fact, do not get it and they made a whole-ass second movie showcasing just how). The first Joker was the first stab at cancel culture leaking in trying to shame them for actually doing a proper sympathetic villain for the first time in years of comic book movie schlock so they had to toe the line and virtue-signal as hard as they could so they don't get labelled as nazis or whatever they think comic book fans and straight white men are these days. Then when all the normal sane men (the overwhelming vast majority of us that aren't degenerates like HIGHLY privileged elites) didn't go out a-rapin' and a-murderin' gunning down crowds of school children and lighting baby carriages on fire or whatever they expected, they decided that the nigh inevitable crisis was so narrowly averted they better go out of their way in the second film to put a chick in it and make it as lame and gay as possible 🙃

[@Maladjester]

Given a job people would literally kill for, had a massive success, and because it didn't happen exactly the way he demanded, he hated the success so much he spent $200 million and a year of his life taking a crap on his own best work. Really takes toxic narcissism to a whole new level.

[@matteomastrodomenico1231]

He never said that he wanted to destroy the original though.

[@Maladjester]

@@matteomastrodomenico1231 He has stated that he didn't want to make it and that he hates anyone who liked it. It's clear he'd erase it if he could. That's not in his power. Even if he owned all the rights and could stop all streaming and production of physical media, which he doesn't, too many copies already exist in the world. He knew all he could do was take a dump on it, so that's what he did.

[@matteomastrodomenico1231]

@@Maladjester Can't find any occasion where he said he hated those that liked it

[@hirudinaria]

As someone who saw John Wick and Interstellar literally back to back in the theatres, i feel you Mauler 😂😂

[@kanteannightmare]

0:1:11:36 is an admission that they think a franchise should be loved simply because it already was popular, no matter how bad the new productions are. They are saying the only reason people like something is because it's popular and not something is popular because people like it...

[@JSPena]

I hate to say it, but I’m actually not surprised this movie sucks. I mean if Hangover 2 and 3, which were also directed by Phillips sucked then there was no chance this movie was gonna be good.

[@canaldecasta]

I get that 2 and 3 are not as good as the first but is there a general consensus as to why people say they straight up suck?

[@Whobilation]

0 correlation

[@JSPena]

@@canaldecasta well the sequels make Alan a straight up crazy person and a moron; while in the first film he was either “love him or hate him”. And plus the sequels are not as funny as the first one.

[@canaldecasta]

@@JSPena thx mate

[@jayboy2kay7]

I’m inclined to believe that Todd Phillips never intended to make Hangover sequels OR and ESPECIALLY Joker… however money talks and studio execs talk even louder. It’s a 100% certainty that studios ALWAYS want to capitalise on 1st movie successes… and 95% of the time they fail, more so than ever when the director has stated publicly that they never intended to make a sequel.

[@newtpondskipper]

For decades, the nerds, dorks, and weirdos kept this genre alive. They spent thousands and thousands of dollars a year on special issues, toys, clothing, statues, etc. That money was great, but they made some movies and brought in the normies. It boosted the sales but once the big movies went away so did the sales. The people who had supported this genre became an embarrassing note as they wanted the stories that meant something and wouldn't swallow the butchered stories that have shown up. But somehow, we should support those who sneer at us? I read comics for decades but haven't bought any for years as they have lost the quality they used to. Don't expect to ever see the quality return of Clairemont era Xmen. They told me it's not for me, so I'll respect them and agree.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

I knew Joker 2 would suck the moment they announced sequel. Because it didnt need one. So this outcome was inevitable.

[@scottmataga5907]

On the Rings of Power, I think it is all part of Simon Tolkien's grand strategy. He's grown up his whole life as 'JRR Tolkien's grandson'. The Rings of Power will destroy the love for JRR. Coming up next will be the destruction of the love for his father Christopher's work on the Silmarillion (with another big payday). Last Tolkien standing will be Simon and nothing will get in the way of appreciation of his own unjustly overlooked books.

[@aldunlop4622]

"Look at me, I'm better than Grandad!" Tosser.

[@clongshanks5206]

What a total loser. I’ll never buy his work

[@mala6238]

But the plan already failed.

[@zan_len]

If anything rings of power is gonna make people appreciate JRR even more

[@ShinkuGouki]

1:25:20 "She was misunderstood" My azz. Rachel Zegler meant what she said.

[@CorvidAsEver]

58:10 I ran it through the "Cope" processor, here's how it could "work": Maz bangs Creamy Sheev Maz steals Luke's hand from the emperor (that's where she got Luke's lightsaber) Maz uses Sheev's and Luke's DNA to birth/clone "Mara Jade" Mara Jade bangs Luke Mara Jade births Rey Ray is now still Sheev's granddaughter Ray is now Luke's daughter

[@GaryHardyInc]

Curious. No idea how many books have been written/published since the Gutenberg printing press invented. Millions? How many of those were worth the paper they were written on? A million? How many worth remembering? Thousands? How many “classics”? Hundreds? Should we expect a different distribution with movies?

[@CriticalDrinkerAfterHours]

All we can do is take each one on its own merits. Not every movie needs to be a classic, but there's a bare minimum standard of quality that they should all be able to meet.

[@GaryHardyInc]

@@CriticalDrinkerAfterHours I guess I'm part of the problem since I pay for more than a few "below bare minimum standard of quality" ... crap. Always appreciate your *warnings*.

[@TheRealMissingLink]

It would've been acceptable if they didn't name the movie 'Joker'. Call it something else. That's completely misleading lol. I mean, imagine you go watch a Batman movie and the dude isn't Batman, just some nut. It's an L from the getgo. Ambiguity is fine, but in the end Fleck just said 'yea i just made it up, I'm just some nut'...The end... ? Just awful.

[@JohnJacobSchmidtt]

I've been saying this since day one, it's an imposter... It's just a character's name only placed on an original character, and now there's people that's going to think he's the legit joker because of the first joker movie. What a joke in itself.

[@HowToChangeName]

They really almost did Black Panther 2 with this one

[@davidgannon5388]

2:11:26 - the Circuit City where I worked had a deal with the local video store, "Videorama." (Yes, I know there was a Calvin & Hobbes strip where he calls that store, but the real one opened years before C&H published. ANYway, we'd give a free, 1-year membership to Videorama to every customer who bought a VCR. In return, every employee of our store was entitled to one free rental a night. And I abused the *shit* out of it! Thing was, eventually, I ran out of movies that I knew I wanted to see, so I asked the girl behind the counter what she'd recommend. She handed me a cover showing a guy in a trenchcoat, standing in a parking lot, holding a Japanese katana. In big, red letters on the front? "HIGHLANDER" High-land-er? Ummm... oh-kaayyy... Of course, it's one of my faves today! Talk about discovering good films!

[@kevinmccabe7263]

1:14:05 The Boys is super woke, the difference though is that it's characters are compelling enough that people can look past the wokeness because they wanna see Butcher and Soldier Boy and Maeve and Homelander be badasses.

[@kunsagigyula8091]

How come that the very same people that can not sympathize with any of the traumas that the Joker goes through make the orcs in the Amazon Rings sympathetic? Is this only weird to me?

[@PeoplePleaser578]

Ah but you see, Joker is Straight and White. Whereas these people believe that orcs represent minorities… so they are sympathetic whereas Arthur Fleck is just a terrible person.

[@scottmcginn2169]

When Chris was talking about the grittier Batman "Detective" style show... If you want a Batman for that, throw money at Affleck and call Netflix or Amazon to get that money... though Netflix would probably do it after two seasons.

[@douglasstewart4790]

31:19 On that note, Penguin fans, watch the afterword of the second ep and how the show's creators bemoan the mysogyny of the Mafia not letting Sophia run it when she's clearly unstable and unfit to rule regardless of her gender and brag about how Clancy Brown's character's Iranian wife has taken over his mafia with Iranians, when that's not really how ethnocentric crime families work. Don't be surprised when that show suddenly goes full-HotDS2. 1:49:22 A crazier-sounding thing that actually happened in the lore: Sauron got his ass kicked by a talking dog that only met his match facing off with Morgoth's dog. So Morgoth had a dog that was more powerful than Sauron. 2:19:47 I, for one, can't wait to see Maximus Bonaparte XIII running from a rolling spaceship in a straight line

[@aesiddoway]

Ryan’s righteous fury over Star Wars lore and Dave Filoni feels so cathartic every single time I listen to him rant. Invite him every time you talk Star Wars please!

[@SmashyBamswell]

Joker 2 had to be punished for the first one doing well. No one in power wanted that movie or character to do well but it did so they Solo'd him.

[@thedealmama3070]

having watched two summaries/reviews, I still do not understand what happened in the ROP finale…but I am sure that the writers don’t know either 😂

[@writerpatrick]

Joker 2 had a decent opening weekend, but dropped about 45% from Friday to Saturday. Many others went up over their opening weekend. I think it's a case where people pre-bought tickets in anticipation of the film but then word got around.

[@kingleech16]

I think Gore's point on the descendant of Palpatine being a terrible place to start for a character is really weird. With good writing, that's a very interesting story to tell! Imagine finding out your grandpa was the greatest murderer in the galaxy! What will that do to a character? Alternatively, what if they know where they come from, but have been raised by droids or fanatical loyalists, so that when they enter the real world they are slapped in the face with the truth of what Palpatine did and stood for? Will they be tempted by the dark side (carry on the family business as it were), will they be so driven to redeem the family name or distance themselves from him that they'll take foolhardy risks to prove how different they are from him, will they actually hear from a dark side force ghost (or will they become a protege of a Jedi's force ghost, trying to protect them and keep them from following in grand-dad's footsteps). There's a huge number of narrative possibilities there, I'd argue at least as much if not more than a Skywalker/Solo kid. But the writing has to be sharp; the character has to be able to flounder, even fail, and they really need to get across any inner conflict that is raging within them, rather than what we got.

[@Klickor]

It is a terrible start for the main character in a series of movies made to be the direct successors of the previous movies with similar arcs and story beats. Not a terrible idea for stand alone movies or for a supporting character that then grows into a main character and maybe even gets it's own movies.

[@emilyadams3228]

I have the perfect movie parody insult name for you: Joker: Filet de Doodoo.

[@WesleyHill-md5cg]

Joker: Filet Mignon. A flame grilled disaster.

[@J.Hermansson]

Regarding scary movie to kick off October. You all gave some good examples, to be different I'll go with Cronenberg's Scanners.

[@Wulfnoff]

My favorite Drunkler and Tentacle’d Welshman.

[@aldunlop4622]

Drunkler and The Critical Mauler.

[@codybrewton4634]

I checked out when Mando became the Bo Katan show and serving her became "the way" 1:06:08

[@nickpeluso7511]

Todd wanted to stick it to the fans. The fans said "hold my beer"......in the end the audience always wins. Will Hollywood ever learn?

[@thegreatwizard11]

Jennifer Lawrence was a star due to Winters Bone. She’s a good actress in general

[@dammitspock]

Ugh they didn't even get the staff right. Gandalf has a totally different staff in the Hobbit. Later Radagast gave his gnarly staff to Gandalf prior to Lotr films

[@grandmasterchris9666]

1:02:25 I love watching Ryan go off on Dave Filoni fanboys while the rest of the panel looks on clueless about what Ryan’s talking about.

[@aldunlop4622]

let's face it - Rings of Power was made with one purpose in mind - to trigger Tolkien fans. I'm not biting.

[@Maladjester]

If RoP had come out in 2004 I would have been shocked and enraged. Now I'm just like, "Ha ha, of course it blows, what did people expect." It's almost like we've had twenty years of watching franchise after franchise get milked dry, colonized, beaten to death, "subverted," and so forth to harden us against this sort of thing.

[@itsmecid2106]

Actors needing extra income outside their movies is a absurd, sorry Chris but no, they don't NEED that extra income

[@the_aesthete_757]

Oh my god drunk Mauler is my new favorite. He actually giggles with delight in this, which I HAVE NEVER HEARD HIM DO BEFORE and I absolutely love it. More pre-gaming before you join the bar please @MauLerYT! 😂

[@aldunlop4622]

Happy drunk, like me!

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

Watch him react to the Isle of Mann flag. Or talk about the ending (?) of Star War Outlaws. When he breaks, he breaks hard. lol

[@the_aesthete_757]

@@MundaneThingsBackwards THIS is what I’ve been missing in my life 🤣 drunk Mauler breaking and @realreaper’s impromptu True Detective Season 4 recap

[@Klickor]

​@@MundaneThingsBackwardsthat flag really broke him😂

[@ericgibbs7692]

When they cancel ROP, I'ma mark that day on the calendar and declare it a personal holiday from here hence.

[@skibidiCornPop]

I love that there are bad shows out there so we can watch the drinker and his guests tear them apart. This is pure entertainment right here! So to Disney and Amazon please continue on your downfall!

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👍

[@afkalmighty1557]

I'm halfway there with Chris on this one. Rangs of Power doesn't feel as fun to shit on like, for example, Acolyte. Personally, Reeebel Moon is still the top bashing content for me.

[@greyfriars6540]

Critical Drinker is a great name for a whiskey and Mauler is a great name for a beer.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

Goodmorning! What is everyone drinking? I had some genmaicha tea.

[@theemissary1313]

Rings of power is only pencilled in for two years time. So that's two years for the cast to find other work.

[@DaveyMan8868]

“I’m not watching this show (TROP) or any videos shitting on the show.” -Chris Gore. Yeah, but...

[@lordpender4615]

The same people that binge watch serial killer documentaries, claim that we shouldn't enjoy a character like Arthur from the first movie.

[@Stalinfalcon]

@ 1:48:00 Replay doesn’t have live chat so I can’t see if the audience twigged what the rest of the panel seem to have missed, Ryan, but I, for one, snorted when you said that lol

[@vahlak6554]

Joker did not require a sequel, and everything I've heard about 2 sounds like a deliberate strangling of the IP. Joker set out to prove that comic movies still work, and without all of _'THE MESSAGE'_ being involved, and they clearly didn't like that.

[@samwallaceart288]

It wasn't a message thing. What it is is Todd and Joaquin decided to explore the darker interpretation of 1's ending, which is the ending I always saw it as; Joker 1 isn't _the_ Joker, he's just a sad guy grasping for straws who accidentally triggered a bigger movement. I like Joker 2, warts and all, because it's _exactly that_ interpretation. His lawyer wants him to pay a sad victim of split personality (which was a popular scientific fad at the time and 100% what psychologists would peg him with) meanwhile mobs outside want him to keep being an agent of chaos. But really, from the beginning of 1 all the way to here, he's always just been a sad guy who wishes he could talk to people. When he's all Joker'd out, lecturing people all performative at the trial, it's bullshit, and Gary the little guy calls him out on it. "Randall was an asshole but he didn't deserve to die. I trusted you, but I'm afraid of everything now. I can't sleep, because of you." And this actually fucks up Arthur. He doesn't regret scissoring Randall, but he never wanted to ruin Gary's life. In the end, Arthur just opens up honestly, "I don't feel like singing anymore. There is no Joker, there is no big movement. I'm just a guy who bad shit happened to." And because of this, his fans reject him, and decide to finish the job themselves. For me this was all a realistic consequence of what happened in 1. Arthur was _never_ supposed to be the Joker who goes on to fight Batman.

[@HowToChangeName]

Watching the clips and watching this, I still dont understand who asked for Joker 2?

[@EwanCumia]

Some people could eat shit, and say it's the best thing ever. That is the target audience.

[@JohnJacobSchmidtt]

I did it. I'm sorry. Extreme apologies from myself. I might have been high that night when I asked the hollywood gods for it though.

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

​@@JohnJacobSchmidtt"YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR REENTRY!" - Rufus,to Bartleby and Loki - 'Dogma' 😂😂😂

[@Maladjester]

I'll give you five reasons why it was made: $ $ $ $ $ Nobody makes a billion on a fifty million dollar movie and DOESN'T make a sequel. Inevitable as the tides.

[@bad-people6510]

I am sick to death of Harley Quinn. She hasn't been a good character since 1995.

[@cian239]

Eh not entirely accurate. Harley was good in her role in the Arkham games

[@aurahoneydew9607]

​@@cian239 yeah but they ruined that later with Suicide Squad reconning a lot to make her the inferior modern version

[@mr.bubbles.9311]

​@@aurahoneydew9607suicide squad doesn't count as arkham games

[@aurahoneydew9607]

@@mr.bubbles.9311 it does same canon, same team, and they emphasized it is a sequel in the franchise.

[@Mark70775]

@@aurahoneydew9607that’s not really fair though it’s like saying Batman is ruined because of ss. Most fans discount it from canon in that verse

[@jamesricciutiGenXFed]

Glug was the highlight of this season. The anti hero I didn’t know I needed.

[@aldunlop4622]

The article about Star Wars was co-written by the "Is this the gayest Star Wars ever?" reporter, so it's self-evident what their conclusions are.

[@brhodes625]

9:06 Joker Review begins

[@banhammer3904]

I made the mistake of watching House of Gucci because it was free.

[@kingleech16]

Oh dear…. If it makes you feel any better, I saw Ballistic: Ecks vs Severs in theater.

[@AnonymousNoNayme]

@@kingleech16 That is waaaay more watchable lol

[@jdogg448]

@@kingleech16 if it makes you guys feel EVEN better I watched The Substance at the cinema............

[@thegreatwizard11]

They forgot to add sad music when the family orc fied

[@Zac_Frost]

I keep saying it, but my local stores still have bins of DVDs, lines of Blu Rays, tons of series collections, and gobs of physical media. Is it just a location thing?

[@Whobilation]

I thought Kenobi was the worse thing I had ever seen, and then ROP came along and somehow managed to be worse in every way imaginable. The entertainment industry needs to go through a renaissance.

[@JelloTypeR]

The only way these terrible products, and I hate having to call them products, fail is if no one watches them. It boils down to money and if the studios lose money repeatedly then it might change. It always boils down to money.

[@Whobilation]

@@JelloTypeR Sad but very true.

[@banhammer3904]

Don't you think that they get reimbursed for the DEI messages? Making films is a form of money laundering anyways. They will be churning out garbage for a long time and only the grunts will suffer.

[@JelloTypeR]

@@banhammer3904it’s easier for the firms to get funding for projects if they do DEI bullshit. I’ve recently started work for a large multinational consultancy and had to do DEI training for that reason. I’m also supposed to put my pronouns in my signature which I’m refusing to do and which is causing me a lot of grief ‘it’s only a few words, what does it matter’. I’ll never add them.

[@aldunlop4622]

Kenobi should never have been made. The fight at Mustafar was the last time Vader and Obi Wan fought before A New Hope, and I'll die on that hill.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

Oh, and I think, "Joker 1's" biggest influence is, "Fight Club," rather than, "Taxi Driver."

[@sebastiangundolf6740]

I think it's biggest influence is the comic.. 😊 Jokes aside, I agree with you, but it could easily have been both movies and many others more.. ❤

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

@@sebastiangundolf6740 Haha, yes that is true.

[@Sam-rf6ev]

I think the biggest influence was King of Comedy tbf. Then Taxi Driver. Phillips was definitely homaging to Scorsese. The fight club angle is great. But having seen Joker 2, the fight club-ness isn’t as palpable

[@mala6238]

King of Comedy

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

@@Sam-rf6ev I just got back from Joker 2. I think that it's still apt. If we talk about the books, "Fight Club," and, "Fight Club 2," The second one which is a comic is very similar to Joker 2 in terms of its desire to utterly destroy its own legacy.

[@MrBen1980]

Great panel this week 👍🏼

[@Armoless]

Open Bar needs to find someone that will make a Bar display sized to their plushies.

[@Nicholas2207]

drinker really should add time stamps if yall wanna start talking spoilers

[@jhnshep]

He said at the start when asked, 91% of the audience voted spoil away. The entire video was a spoiler.

[@aldunlop4622]

@@jhnshep It's still fair enough, if you want to skip a section because of spoilers.

[@Nicholas2207]

@@jhnshep true i heard that just makes skipping easier for the non spoilers voters

[@jhnshep]

@@Nicholas2207 yup TBF I just watch later when I'm not worried about spoilers. Also joker comes up the whole way through the video as they keep going back to it, including the superchats.

[@jasonl1942]

The notion that movies are great these days and that talking about what happens in them is a spoiler doesn't factor in anymore, if you hadn't noticed, ALL movies are already spoiled and suck these days. Try to think of them telling you what happens as a mercy killing, you don't have to waste your time or money as they've already done it for you.

[@crowneproductions9908]

When it comes to Joker 2 I think the big failure was on the studio. They insisted so hard that the director come back and make a second one (when it was only ever conceived being a one of movie) that the director demanded complete and total control and they gave him a blank check and hoped for the best and got the worst. Nobody wanted some quasi-musical with lady boring face. Nobody was interested. Bad on WB. This is a great example of how the big bad suits at corporate who get shit on way too often are sometimes a great check and balance to “the artists” who spend their money making films. Checks and balances are a good thing.

[@ilari90]

To kick off Halloween/October: Adult Swim's horror anime Iwazuma, based on horror manga from famous horror author Junji Ito. It just started running, there's 2 episodes now, good to wait what happens next week too.

[@blkirish88]

I wish George wouldn’t try to monopolize the conversation so much. He seems to think it’s just him and drinker talking

[@MistrBeat]

Concerning Joker 2, Who asked for a courtroom musical drama? ROP over may be the only good news, although the reviews were fun to watch!

[@cortedemico]

2:22:20 I say the same thing about Water World… only more vehemently.

[@PaniPunia]

The only thing Rei achieved in pop culture is a brief trend for her hairstyle. Which is very convinient for a certain lenght of hair, not gonna lie, but now it would be a tiktok video trending for a week in certain circles, nothing more.

[@horacioa.bacaamenabar3245]

Hey, Gore, we tune in to hear opinions. You cannot just "turn off" or whatever u did during the RoP roasting.

[@garysmith9823]

Star Wars is just dead. It only exists to be mocked now.

[@aldunlop4622]

I just watched a really cool fan-made series on the channel AFK, it's very cool, funny, and surprisingly heart-felt. I was fully invested in the story and the characters.

[@poeticpk]

Cloud Atlas, for me, is an amazing movie. Has its flaws, but still, amazing. :)

[@premier1975]

Hollywood hates their audience. The first Joker was popular with the 'wrong people' so they destroyed it with the second.

[@nredsa]

I'm enjoying "Rings of Power" but more as a comedy

[@aldunlop4622]

The only positive that come out of it is that it's got me reading LotR again, and watching First and Second Age videos on KZbin (of which there are many).

[@markb234]

Why do we have to have a thousand Batman’s at the SAME time?!

[@jayboy2kay7]

LOL 14:00 Movie Cynic “Glass-goaw smile” so funny hearing Americans attempts at pronunciation of UK cities. I’m from Glasgow, Scotland, so it’s especially funny to hear. Drinker either completely misheard it ( as I did at first) or held back correcting him. Funny stuff.

[@JohnDoe-zi5vf]

I assumed he decided not to be a dick and giving him the correct pronunciation. Especially when everyone else messes up the difference countries pronunciation and goes with it

[@Soridan]

Yeah, but on the other hand you can't say purple burglar alarm, can you, ye wee scunner? :D

[@Magnificent7Seven]

They need to bring out Disa and the harfoots cooked served on platters to the orcs with apples in their mouths to the celebrate!

[@samwallaceart288]

I went in hearing nothing but bad headlines expecting disappointment, but I _loved everything_ about the ending. Anyone who's disappointed that Arthur isn't The Real Joker missed the darker subtext of Joker 1. Joker 1 isn't a happy ending; he trades one toxic worldview for another toxic worldview. Joker 2 is him realizing "Guys, it's not that deep. I'm just a sad guy." And his fans getting butthurt over it. I get that Joker 2 is too long and it could've had just 3 musical daydreams instead of 12, Jesus Christ; but "godawful", "hates Joker 1"? I just don't see it. I guess this is like a Furiosa and Songbirds and Snakes situation, where everyone else can't even fathom why it exists, but me and my bro see it as new DLC just dropped letsgo.

[@sumanthsf9819]

Isn't grogu similar to minions from despicable series, I think Disney will have success with it.

[@joshuasingleton9373]

The harfoots ended up back in the same spot they did in episode 1 season 1..... except now we know that is the grand elf

[@johnselden9257]

Mark Wahlberg’s Transformers was actually the best one other than the first. In my opinion anyway.

[@RhysCallinan-hf7qx]

Doesn't that mean it ruins the actual Joker (assuming the guy who kills Arthur is Joker) by making him a poser, or a person who stole someone elses shtick?

[@PeoplePleaser578]

I think it’s going with the “Multiple origins, there is multiple different Jokers” thing in Comics.

[@sophmys7653]

LOL Mauler You must protect the texts his right! This is information we need it!... Lmao

[@jimbennett7602]

seems galadriel is a mixed martial artist

[@samuelcarlson1012]

I’m honestly jealous of people who can watch shows like rings of power and the acolyte, and be happy and clap like a seal. It honestly must be nice to be able to just turn off your brain and enjoy something.

[@itsmecid2106]

OPEN BAR GIN WHEN?!?!?!?!?

[@ifstatementifstatement2704]

Drinker keeps saying fillet a deux lol. It's folie, which means madness. Folie a deux means madness at two.

[@nemo616a]

Looking forward to Marvel's Loose Ends Starring Michael Peña coming to D+ for a low low price of 500 million dollars.

[@kfcchickenburger]

I am so happy that we now live in a world where this type of behaviour from artists and studios, like Todd Philips betraying the fans of Joker 1 with Joker 2 and destroying the original’s story, are punished more and more by the public AND the press. The general public seem to be over defending the 2017 "but it’s so subversiveeeeeee" trend and just want a good story. Just give what the fans want man. It’s supposed to be 80% satisfaction and 20% subversion, not the other way around.

[@Maladjester]

Expecting chocolate and getting caramel is subversion of expectations. Expecting chocolate and getting dog shit is betrayal of expectations.