Orania’s dark history: the story of South Africa’s whites-only town

[@LionGangMusic]

ANC is complete and total EMBARRASSMENT mxim

[@zamanhlangothi9290]

They should have tackle this problem earlier because during Mandela years there was some sign there of wanting to separate from Mzansi.

[@trevorsnyman6106]

True how could they allow Orania to be a thing.

[@remerautenbach3391]

Mr presenter off this program ! you are an umfana o sa le moshemane you like to STIRR....make a program about white squatter camps if you please.Make a program about the former Transkei,Qwa Qwa or any homeland where the black people could strive and live their culture as they like. The problem off the Negroid Race as naturally endowed as any other is culpably a non productive race.The black race is a consumer race and depends on other communities for its culture its language,its feeding its clothing motorcars and agricultural impliments.Despite enormous natural resources.Blacks are economic slaves because they lack the" devil may care attitude.The white master ,blackslave mentality will remain to exist within the black community because of the victim mentality.You believe if you continue to cry racism and opression,the oppressor will change,feel empathy "to give us what we want".The use of racism as an exuse for failures wil stay where they are.

[@TBOTSS]

I agree. The ANC should be embarrassed. Look what White people can do and compare that with the rest of South Africa and Africa in general.

[@JeshuaOurGod]

ANC ARE WORSE THAN THE WORST APARTHEID GOVERNMENT

[@lovehandles2464]

I am a coloured guy, I don't care about Orania, those people want to be left alone. They don't give me sleepless nights or prevent me from living my life in anyway. As long as they are a small town on privately owned land, I don't see why we should keep moaning about this issue.

[@KNathi1]

They want to grow the town

[@Kush-Kemet]

Palestinians were thinking like you when Europeans and Americans settled Jews in their LAND

[@Hailey-i7v]

You not black you don’t get it

[@traumaqueeen]

You sound like Palestinians who welcomed European settlers into their homes, only to get their homes and land stolen. Thats what European settlers do, steal land! its their thing

[@thendombengeni7443]

Yeah they're in Africa buddy No one is stopping them from going back to their ancestral country. This orania shit is an abomination

[@traumaqueeen]

Why are people triggered by our history and the past? Why can't we talk about the past without certain people getting upset??

[@lungamasuku6872]

Because as a nation we have never worked on the wounds of the past,we are still hurt and still suffering the worse thing about it is we could all heal each other but some of us simply don’t want to give the sacrifice it would cost!,for some of us the price for redemption is just too high so they don’t want to talk about it so you can understand their negative emotions when the topic comes up

[@Mastah0909]

It's called guilt my sister.

[@MosesNdlovu-l1p]

Funny how Jews and world war veterans are allowed to remind us on an annual basis, yet when it comes to apartheid, we are told just to move on and forget.

[@markriordan9010]

​@@Mastah0909...really ? WRONG !! The guilty ones are mostly either deceased or in homes....look ahead, move on, avoid victimhood, show some backbone and desire to elevate yourself....just be aware that there's plenty of legislation on the books which certainly doesn't favour Whites....put the past behind you, 'cos there's NOTHING you can do to change it.

[@khanyiswamagidimisi3174]

Why are u feeling guilty?

[@mlulekimemela798]

My brother please have a sit down with Penuel to further engage on this issue because he's came out to strongly defend the existence of Orania especially after visiting this town!

[@FlorenceSeptember]

Those people took their own money to build Orania they work hard to have what they have today.

[@FlorenceSeptember]

There are many black only towns!!!! Can we buy in the villages????

[@boipelojoe]

​@@FlorenceSeptemberThere's no Black only town in South African. Anyone can live anywhere

[@arafatcham2306]

@@FlorenceSeptemberyou sound like a chump

[@arafatcham2306]

I don’t understand how South Africans take penuel seriously. He tries to please everyone

[@brianr4960]

"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles" - Frank Herbert

[@berniediedricks5681]

Exactly what 😈🇮🇱Zionist Apartheid Genocidal Land grabbing Occupier regime was forced on🇵🇸Palestians, they opened their land 4 😈🇮🇱Zionists a sect within Judaism✡️

[@ConsciousCaracal]

If a town of 3000 people, which you probably can't even find on a map, is giving you sleepless nights, you don't have any real problems or struggles. I can't imagine a more comfortable, luxurious, privileged life than one where one of your biggest worries is the fact that Orania exists.

[@AndydeQok]

Oranje is a racist/ apartheid place within a democratic non-racial country. It’s not yet a big worry, but it will be one day. It won’t end well for anyone unfortunately.

[@alexandernyamazana4795]

Why should it exist in the first place, stop gaslighting us with your racist comments, would an Orania populated by black people exist anywhere in Europe?

[@africaine4889]

Little.cities become big towns. Look at the Mormons in the US. They started very small. Now they have whole state in America

[@DANY-ez1xr]

Stop being lazy to use your head and think. Places like Orania, where the history they glorify is one of segregation only intensifies and reproduces racist views and actions. Once a town like Orania succeeds in the country they would want to expand, encourage and influence the same segregate mindset to other communities. To allow for such, is consent to bring back nonsense, expand inequality, influence separation and racism.

[@vulpesinculta3238]

@@gorereel.r2780 Why shouldn't they be? They seem to be doing well - in fact, they seem to be doing better than anywhere else in South Africa. So whatever they're doing, it's better than what the rest of you are doing.

[@mundusuys8739]

Do I think segregation is a good thing? Forced segregation is a bad thing, natural segregation is a natural thing, natural integration is a natural thing and forced integration is a bad thing.

[@KNathi1]

What was natural about Orania?

[@traumaqueeen]

Stop gaslighting us pls!

[@mundusuys8739]

@@KNathi1 Naturally, all people tend to associate with others that speak the same language, eat the same food, have the same political view, support the same sports team, have the same religion, like the same TV show, work in the same profession/trade, have the same problems, come from the same town, etc. There's nothing wrong with having a cultural enclave if you're one of few culturally backward Afrikaners. It's pathetic to be bothered by them.

[@chronosmagasaurus2813]

@@traumaqueeen Lmao you should be the last one talking, all your comments are race bait.

[@StrikeMathebula]

@@mundusuys8739 why are u trying to be relevant

[@JamesRobertJones2001]

You completely ignore the constitutional right to self-determination that we all have!

[@warmygreenfields]

@I_LOVE_THE_SUNCOAST They don't pretend that, is just cultural niche if you want. There are places in cities in western Europe and in USA which are ppl of colour only, where white ppl cannot enter. We don't care, segregation is natural... Only the most tolerant of us can live in multiculturalism.

[@sandanista2002]

It’s a shame that the xenophobes don’t have the same heat for Oriana…

[@neotrinityrakgajane]

Such a shame.

[@sphumelelesijadu]

The distraction is part of the plan. Fighting immigrants means we loose focus on what will truely liberate us.

[@lovedlover2667]

Not at all..the african foreigners are directly affect blk SAns, commuting crimes that oriano is not. Why trouble them when they are living in peace...don't get it twisted. It's yrs ways how you behave badly that's why u are cast out by the SAn blks

[@PatrickJacobs-u1f]

You mean illegal foreigners? World wide there is growing resistance to illegal immigration and rightly so.

[@supreme9801]

Apples and oranges

[@gtravel7721]

This guy has no idea .... these type of personalities keep wars and racism alive and growing ....

[@ngcoyamalusi1]

What keeps racism and wars alive is the fact that white people have never shown any remorse for the atrocities committed to African people in their own land and the economic discrepancies that exists between Afrikaners and black Africans will keep the war alive.

[@isaacoratile3126]

Does this means he is lying 100%? Please explain

[@nathanagnew9167]

@@isaacoratile3126 Because he is a kid making youtube videos just for views he tries to add things intentionally to mislead. He can never explain it properly like people who was actually around that time SO NOOO!! HE IS NOT 100% ACCURATE SORRY.

[@elpenguin2239]

@@nathanagnew9167 agggg his bitter to the truth lol

[@willactually7509]

SMWX, this is disappointing - a clearly biased, one-sided, misinformed and misleading version. I'd say you're the one that is being disingenuous - First off: At 44:12 you say that "one of the leaders of the Orania movement" said "we will defend it with violence". You are a LIAR and have lost all respect and credibility in my eyes! In the interview held with that particular Orania leader, he never said anything of the kind. You are the one twisting his eloquent response to suit your narrative! Secondly and more importantly: Not a single mention of the right to self-determination??? It is not a matter of complicity by the ANC or anyone else - it is very simply a right enshrined in our Constitution. It would serve you well to read Section 235.

[@MamakaraMosese]

Tell him ,he thinks he so intelligent .

[@Ethan00130]

Do you understand that that entire place is BUILT upon racism?

[@Kwazulujabul]

Apartheid: I need to correct you Apart-: means separate -heid: does not mean HATE Please educate yourself in the Afrikaans language if you want to spread it as the truth. You are stoking hatered and misinformation in the video.

[@nedor64]

Apart-: means separate -heid: does not mean HATE 👍teaching the "Dr" 😂

[@garethnaude1175]

Sizwe never said “heid” means hate. Go listen again

[@mogirl94]

Regardless of whether he is right or wrong. Apartheid is full of hate

[@ruby-annlevendal2294]

LISTEN AGAIN BEFORE YOU CORRECT, YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING WHAT WAS SAID.

[@ruby-annlevendal2294]

Both of you should go listen again... you hear what you like

[@Scruffpuppie-j7y]

How can a town with a population of 3000 upset your feelings so much ? They do absolutely nothing to you. JEALOUSY. If they weren’t weren’t thriving you wouldn’t care !

[@Kush-Kemet]

Dutch/European Invanders, you can separate in Europe

[@Scruffpuppie-j7y]

@@Kush-Kemet whats your culture ? Your people most likely also “invaded” south africa. MOVE ON and grow instead of complaining every single day

[@Kush-Kemet]

@@Scruffpuppie-j7yTriggered...Truth Hurts..Seek Therapy... I'm a proud indigenous AFRIKAN, so you should also be proud of your Dutch/European Invanders ancestry because that's what you will always be in AFRIKA....Facts over your feelings...

[@zoeanastasia4438]

He didn't seem upset. You just want to discredit what he said and because you can't refute any of the historical FACTS he mentioned.

[@EstaJeanette-nk7fj]

​@@Scruffpuppie-j7y Africans invading Africa? Do you hear yourself?

[@leilahakulinen]

People should be allowed to live where they feel united and comfortable.

[@t.chlatshwayo6434]

Why did white people cross the sea?

[@tam1641]

Yes. Like in Europe

[@flashutv]

Not in Africa! We can't go to Europe and start a blacks only town! Why do u Europeans want to do that here??

[@rosina1998]

comfortable away from their fellow human beings , thats really sad.

[@nathanagnew9167]

@@rosina1998 So why are you not living with your fellow human beings ? this is 2024 het a life ROSINA

[@ernestrobbertse8544]

Orania is the best run squatter camp in Mzansi. All squatter camp leaders should be taken there to learn squatter camp management. Maybe also some municipal managers

[@Josephalive101]

Where do you get squatter camps that are similar or same to Orania?

[@proud_african8148]

​@@Josephalive101😂 comprehension is not your friend, the statement went over your head.

[@thabo3866]

This is not even the topic of discussion but hey

perfect its the best managed best built why cant we go and learn how to build towns

[@MentalFacility-u7o]

To equate Orania to a squatter camp is an insult to the former. I get your point thou.

[@pumeleleza4094]

I call upon all high school history teachers to play this episode in class and proceed to have a test or assignment written about it 🎉

[@kylelangton2718]

Marxist propaganda

[@jacquesdewet2661]

Let them also teach about Camp Quadro.

[@vut_zarco]

Critical race theory has no place in our education system and hopefully the GNU would quash it.

[@markriordan9010]

Our kids today are brainwashed and forced to learn ONLY about apartheid, colonialism and everything related to how evil the White man was, and always will be. I was shocked to learn that my son, at a very good dual-medium school, knew NOTHING about the Vorrtrekkers, the Great Trek, the Anglo-Boer wars, the Zulu-Xhosa wars...so much TRUE history just omitted, deliberately. He knows everything about apartheid, Ghandi and all "heroes of the struggle"....

[@bigthangz5489]

tell us more

[@TheSouthAfricanPost]

Oronia is zone based on past policy of separate development and thus it makes it an apartheid nostalgia group.

[@nedor64]

Orania is developing rapidly, the people there are happy, they enjoy their human rights and they are showing this corrupt, crime ridden SA the way.

[@markriordan9010]

Absolute bullshit ! Shortsighted comment.

[@SambiliANGOLensis]

@@nedor64 black south africans will wake up … some day, any day. And we’ll be here to support them

[@nedor64]

@@SambiliANGOLensis No problem support them if you want to.

[@gleestruwe1818]

​ Why would you not clapp u r hands in wonder for white ppl holding there white being and language , look at ur own hate 🤫an wash it clean , what a punk 🤔

[@noluthandodiliza8957]

Leave Orania alone they worked hard to keep their establishment clean. I'm not informed about it but I like that there are no drugs and no corruption and no illegal immigrants and dealings.

[@NinohBrown]

You are slow thinking and lack a sense of awareness and danger this has. Orania can become a Lesotho they can literally become their own country, once that happens the USA or Nato will set up military bases there just like palestine or Ukraine. Be forward thinking

[@Thandi899]

clever blacks. if white people want to stay alone, they must do it in Europe. Africa is for black people. They should not have the luxury to break away after creating the most unequal society in the world… we are not angry enough as black people. This is shameful and an insult to all who suffered and died at the hands of afrikaaners

[@collenmasilela4876]

Clever blacks tendencies.

[@collenmasilela4876]

Limited vision, just passed off by the ruling party poor service delivery, then u throw the child with the whole bathtub.

[@ctpnk]

lol you admit you’re uninformed yet pick a side. How do you know there are no drugs, no crime, no racism if you are uninformed. Sure they’re not causing any harm now, but they plan to keep growing and if left unchecked, they’ll easily take back control of the SA government and set the country and humanity back 50+ years.

[@ctpnk]

Allowing Orania to survive and thrive is to allow a belief of white superiority and racism to prosper. Afrikaners can preserve the non-racist aspects of their culture without segregating themselves from the rest of the population. Unless the core belief of their culture is white supremacy, only reason why they must insist blacks and other races are not allowed.

[@Ethan00130]

THISSSS

[@sthabi4838]

I see people commenting " I am Zulu Boy blah blah we Zulu people have chiefs who run villages as they want" Do those villages have their own currency , own elections , own laws and those villages do they state only Zulu people are allowed to work and live in those villages ? No... Palestine started like this, now Orania wants to expand their land, fast forward they will have their own Military..

[@Nomkhubulwane-v8f]

Realizing we have no Black liberation leaders in this country is a humbling experience.

[@theboomletgroup8436]

Humbling indeed.

[@nzuzonuba8876]

South Africa is the most unequal country, it's not just about Oraina. Classism, elitesm, rich and poor. It's a space of segregation. Just that in Orania they are honest.

[@nozizwechinkanda7895]

The US is the same. It just escapes a label.

[@pablocharlie]

@@nozizwechinkanda7895Yea sure go rap or buy some jordans 😂 victim minded cry baby do you need a grief counselor?

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

@@nozizwechinkanda7895 Bro... get out of here. All you Americans act with this almost snooty air of "oh, you could never be as bad as us" "we're so bad, you could never begin to understand us". Get out of here, you are not helping.

[@lettuceandtomatoes89]

@nzuzonuba8876 Can't agree more! Unfortunately, some of those children are going to be adults, leave that enclave, get into positions of power and we, normal SAns, are going to have to interact (at least professionally) with them over and above the general SA you just described. Oh, malifezeke iphupha lika Biko...

[@stevenwilliams3015]

​@@nozizwechinkanda7895Nahhh, the wealth gap between white and black in South Africa is extremely high compared to the white and black in US

[@sibongilechakela4468]

ANC really sold us out

[@wentzelwilliams5568]

💯

[@JeshuaOurGod]

ANC ARE WORST RACISTS EVER! THEY HAVE DEMOLISHED EVERYTHING MANDELA WORKED SO HARD FOR

[@TelangMashilishili]

Sad reality...

[@CamTheACMan]

The Afrikaners have a right to preserve their culture. Leave them alone!

[@JeshuaOurGod]

Yes!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@lyndonjacobs5264]

They never cared about preserving african cultures so why should we care about theirs?

[@oscarsambo9981]

You can reserve your culture in your European soil not here

[@elpenguin2239]

@@oscarsambo9981 listening is a skill i guess he or she didnt hear the full story

[@elpenguin2239]

by forcefully removing people with guns but again you must be white

[@mohlomphehi]

4 min in and I am reminded of the history of my own people and how Lesotho as we know it lost parts of what is modern day Free State to the Boers who were allowed to peacefuly settle in the Free State by King Moshoeshoe back in the mid 1800's who had no idea of their covert scheme to pursue their imperial agenda. Funny how history keeps repeating itself because we never seem to learn!

[@mossfairy3060]

I'm white, but i can't live there, so it's not only for whites. It's for Afrikaance speaking culture people.. I don't see why it's a problem.. let them live there , they not harming anyone. Swaziland was given over to the King and he called it Eswantini ( my spelling is probably wrong, forgive me) so why only pick on the Afrikaance Would a white person be allowed to live or buy land within the land the king owns in kzn

[@KillmongerWasRight45]

Hulaank voor hai mense n weermag het en militere wapens ...Hu lank..dan wil bleddie eise maak vani staat want hulle het meer vuurkrag

[@BahDuest]

So, in your view, a king is on the level of a common person. Then we should build only spaces in Europe and other kingdoms in there backyard. This is wrong if you're going to have a city built purposely for separation is a slap in the face of the African! If that's the case go back to the Netherlands an build in your Ancestors land and continue your separation from the people you don't want around.

[@sahiphopNETWORK]

you obviously bias eSwatini you can go live there you don't have to be Swati to do that, Lesotho same thing Botswana same thing Kwa Zulu natal same thing, even ngwenyama trust same thing, there no place on the african continent even the world were you have to be of a certain culture to live there you just have to respect it its only orania but we don't expect racists to understand...but lets not act like orania is not a cult town that built its self around apartheid colonialism shrines as to preserve what they call their culture which is apartheid white supremacy which they chose to build in honor of that legacy

[@tiMos-w1n]

U JUST WROTE A WHOLE BUNCH OF NONSENSE. Who gave the Swatis Eswatini? GOD.

[@berniediedricks5681]

Believe it's whites only

[@traumaqueeen]

So many racists in the comments 🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍

[@lungamasuku6872]

@@PatrickVianello-oso what term should we use to call white Sattlers and the descendants of Colonizers and colonialists and land thieves??,to call white South Africans that is just factual and not a n insult at all!,its just true

[@chronosmagasaurus2813]

Yup, you are one of them :}

[@bigthangz5489]

They dont want TRUTH to be exposed !!!

[@kamohelomoloi]

Sista you are beautiful

[@sirkermitthefirstoffrogeth9622]

​@@bigthangz5489 here's the truth then. This dude ia out here spewing misinformation, as usual. Orania isn't a whites only town, its a Afrikaans only town. Meaning if you are of French, English or German descent, you cant join the town. Even if you are Afrikaans, you cant join if you have a criminal record. The land was privately purchased and negotiated with the government to protect Afrikaner heritage. They are the equivalent to the Amish community in America and Ulundi and Pheonix in KZN.

[@carlruppert7324]

As a white Afrikaans-speaking South African, I would just like to say that Orania does not represent me and I want NOTHING to do with them 🇿🇦

[@sahiphopNETWORK]

why doesn't it represent you i thought it was just about preserving Afrikaner culture? are you not afraid that your culture will be destroyed by the blacks

[@berniediedricks5681]

Awesome that's so powerful and uniting❤️

[@Kwazulujabul]

You will not be forced to live in Orania, Mr Woke

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

Most Afrikaners don't want to live in Orania which is why the population is so small. That doesn't mean that it doesn't have a right to exist. However , claiming that it is race based is just stupid.

[@Aftertwentyfourelection4633]

​@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ubif its not race baced why "only white"?

[@garethnaude1175]

“If you are agains segregation you have to be against Orania.” This right here. This is the point. It’s not about protecting heritage, self determination, whether Orania is big enough to “warrant” discussion, or any of the other red herrings in the comments. If segregation is wrong - which it it fundamentally is as an affront to the humanity of all people - the Orania, which categorically is based on segregation, is wrong.

[@_SMWX]

100%

[@Emmanuelshoroma]

well said

[@ryanstephen6163]

Why is segregation wrong? Do you not segregate who you allow into your bedroom? At what point do you draw the line of when you can and cannot segregate, and who are you to tell someone else who they must live with? If they wish to be apart from us, let them be. At least they are not stealing from us like the ANC

[@garethnaude1175]

@@ryanstephen6163 Thanks for your question, it's helpful because it allows clarification. You are correct that there are forms of segregation that are not only acceptable, but necessary, and my point doesn't make that clear. In the context of this video though the issue is not segregation as any form of exclusion, like your bedroom example. In the context of this video segregation means something like: refusing to acknowledge the basic humanity and equality of people based purely on the colour of their skin, and separating based on that principle. That is categorically wrong

[@Dalf80s]

Remember, the masses cant understand this

[@skoni-j5n]

They will also ask you "but what about Soweto, or Bafana Bafana?" THAT'S how much they deflect and defend their whiteness and racism.... 😡😡

[@spencercourtis9371]

SAFA Western Province is all black ...can you defend this blackness?

[@brettlinn3063]

Sizwe, The land of Orania was legally bought. We dont know the truth around the real story of the people who needed to be evicted. When someone buys a property, the tenants or previous owners must move. Its not rocket science. Now i dont approve of violence in any way. But the 500 workers did not originally live in orania. They only moved their for the building of the Dam. So originally they did not come from there and they did not legally own the land. I think the gaslighting is coming from your video.

[@Mastah0909]

You have completely missed his point. I don't even have the energy to elaborate to you. This comment alone is sufficient.

[@brettlinn3063]

@@Mastah0909 the point my dear, is that every cultural group in SA has the constitutional right to self determination. I will respect if black communities want to live separately from white communities in order to preserve a way of life that white people may not be compatible for. Afrikaner culture is completely different and incompatible with african culture and sometimes my own culture been the English culture. Sizwe argument is completely emotionally driven. And you can hear it in his voice.

[@shanghaichica]

@@brettlinn3063so you are pro segregation then?

[@brettlinn3063]

@@shanghaichica I'm pro having people deciding what cultural community they choose to live in.

[@lettuceandtomatoes89]

@@brettlinn3063To quote you, "I will respect if black communities want to live separately from white communities in order to preserve a way of life that white people may not be compatible for" @Mastah0909 was right....

[@bendedmiracle]

Orania is in the northern cape. Do you even understand what that means?. People living there are leaving in droves to cape town and the western cape. You can be outraged all you like, but the reality is that nobody wants to live in the desert. You get angry because only white afrikaaners can live there. Which Blacks/colored/indians/liberal afrikaaners want to leave their urban centers; to live in a small house in the Karoo desert? Orania will be forever because it is in the northern cape.

[@NgakoM]

lies, they live near a river

[@bendedmiracle]

@@NgakoM Still in the desert, and in the northern cape

[@flashutv]

They are growing and the mandate is clear! Next mission is independence and we saw DA supporting Ukraine! So they want to gain western support?? So now it will be a proxy war for the NATO with SA within SA imagine next USA sets a military base in Orania!which will be a separate state obviously!

[@LoudHadida]

@@NgakoM it is an Arid area which is a Desert. Basic Geography, maybe you missed those lessons at school.

[@seektruth5750]

We don’t care for all that, we care for the foundations of it, which is apartheid , it’s steady growth, and something can can result in an “Israel” in SA, we can’t let that happen, ever again.

[@mapasekakhanye1418]

That's how they want to live.Away from. poverty and R350 mentality.Leave them alone.

[@JohnTerblanche-l1r]

Ive always thought thats all its about, money. Im from EC and 2 of my Afr friends went there for jobs, 1 eventually ended up in kzn with his work experience gained and other is a garden boy still in O. Both friends weren't proud of being there but they did get a job there. Getting a job in such a contracted economy like SA is very hard unless your an entrepreneur. I disagree with O as an concept, but I understand why people go there to study or for work opportunities, afrikaans young men especially from EC. EC has so much potential yet it's poorest prov in SA.

[@stevekgaogelo4108]

Poor black South Africans have never begged the government for R350 Grant. The ANC government created that grant without the approval of the people of South Africa. The where did you see this R350 mentality if may ask? 😂

[@zoeanastasia4438]

There was no R350 grant when Orania was first established. And poverty is not unique to South Africa. See your brain?

[@trevorsnyman6106]

There are other places in the world they can go to, and this comment doesn't earn you their respect.

[@101CapeSaf]

The land was bought and paid for so what seems to be the problem it is private property the people who live there show others how a town/city/province should be governed let them be did you run out of what to say on your podcast

[@Kush-Kemet]

Bought Stolen LAND, Dutch/European Invanders are a bunch of hilarious racist, you can separate in Europe Not in AFRIKA

[@flashutv]

Again u choose to hear what u want to hear😂😂 so out of all he said with rightful settlers being vacated in a horrific manner u chose to ignore? All the racist requirements which are against the law? U can never buy to be African...u are born African...u don't wake up in Europe and travel to Africa and become African 😂😂😂 and mostly promote ur racist ideas and tell blacks to do the same with their ethnic groups??

[@ndumisomthupha813]

I don't know why this is an issue.

[@Dalf80s]

​@@Kush-Kemet😂😂😂😂chest pains

[@Ethan00130]

So a town or city should be completely ran by and lived in by only white people? Do yall not see the inherent problem in idealising this white supremcist settlement?

[@isaacoratile3126]

I once asked them on their Facebook page if they have the new South African flags there.... The racists showed me flames. I was not shocked though.

[@michielnel88]

The way you are describing Orania makes it literally sound like Heaven of Earth! 🤩

[@smanqele]

I don't see that at all. He's describing the unsolved crimes that happened there involving vulnerable people whom until today still need an answer

[@fennimegamenoangukku6138]

You are very confused to think that!

[@Ethan00130]

These are white supremacists living together in a town. What sounds appealing about that.

[@lm8198-b5m]

Im one of those blacks who see the reported positives of present-day Orania and wish more villages in the North West were the same. Im thinking Dinokana, Lekubu, Gopane among many others who seem to have similar origins and similar opportunities to prosper like their "sister community", Orania. Looking at this it seems that my desire for prosperous black communities at any cost can actually come at the cost of moral and ethical naivity and blindness. Its made worse by the blatant lack of desire to engage with questions of Justice towards black people who suffered as a result of the evils of Apardheid. You dug SMW, you dug real deep for this one. Yet again, you force me to reconsider my position on race. ❤

[@veronicafarrell6676]

This is simple minded thinking as it ignores the material deprivation of the communities you mention. You ignore the power of capital and supremacist thinking that sustains Orania.

[@Cper2000]

Sizwe reads and ignores comments not supporting his warped narratives. But we hear you!

[@veronicafarrell6676]

@@Cper2000 You heard me wrongly though. Read and listen more carefully for deeper understanding. Sizwe's narrative is not warped. It is solidly substantiated with verifiable, documented historical information. Be honest of what is in fact 'warped' and distorted thinking and action.

[@Thandi899]

white people dont deserve to break away in our land after creating the most unequal society. Black SAns lost their lives. ANC is probably taking bribes as we speak to keep orania as it is. we are not angry enough as black people.

[@HeyJuuude-05]

This is not a black person. This is a white person using a burner account. Pathetic tactic of the white right wing in South Africa. This is a cringeworthy way of trying to sow a succession movement in the North West. Pathetic🚮

[@davecharles7210]

Birds of a feather flock together..it happens all over the world.

[@SiyabongaMatsane-v2l]

It's a real skill to stay calm when you speak about such an emotional issue. I was angry watching that, not only how Orania was formed but about why the so called liberation movement has allowed this to continue

[@hwpienaar]

The conversation PENUEL the black pen had with the leader of Orania is a must watch. This delivery is very subjective.

[@zakzack2222]

I don't think you listened to this narrative with an open mind. The approach was very historic and research based on findings by Edward Cavanagh.

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

Everything he brought up was based on undisputed historical fact. Now, maybe Orania has escaped its historical past and is now what many say it is (i.e., generally good)... but the fact that people on the pro-Orania side actively avoid and ignore this relatively recent past, doesn't speak exactly well for them. Maybe it is or maybe it isn't; but you definitely shouldn't ignore the "other" side just because its not "pleasant" to bring up or discuss.

[@Babazulu]

He’s a member of dutchforum 😅

[@RendaniNetshirungulu]

You are confused bro

[@nlocnil3602]

I didn't come away from Penuels conversation having a favourable opinion about Orania. All that I learned was they indeed don't see themselves as Africans and therefore want to separate themselves from us. It was in no way enlightening. Watch it again now that you know the history

[@drea7295]

Orania is not a whites only town its an Afrikaner Calvinist only town .white people can't just go live there Afrikaans is the language and the reformed theology is the main biblical idea .

[@stefanmuller9653]

Have to agree with you here. It's not open to just any white person to join, or even any Afrikaans white person. You have to literally sign their constitution and pledge to live by and abide by their principles. It is much more akin to something like Mormons or Amish not that they have the same values but in that their residents abide and live their ideology very strictly. It's not about being white per se. It's very likely that whoever gets to live there will be white because the values it's built on comes from a specific lineage of white history. Sure their values and way of living is shared by many white South Africans but for many that is a foundational past exposure and many people have moved on to such an extent that having to adhere so closely to such a framework becomes just way too restrictive. I grew up there as a young child while it was still a Department of Water Affairs construction town. I was still young but remember it as being pretty basic. Almost like living in a semi permanent camp except there were actual houses, mostly prefab. You had a school and a church and a cafe and a club area, a pool etc but there was a only one of each for the most part. Everyone knew everyone whether that was good or bad. Point is everyone was there from all reaches of the country because they were somehow involved in earning a salary from working on the waterway system. The housing was built for it and other trades evolved around it (teachers for a school, a town doctor, pastor for the church, shopkeeper for the cafe etc). Once the project was over the town fell into disrepair. No jobs, looting etc. Untill it was purchased by the Orania movement and rebuilt. Many of the coloured residents who remained without jobs were replaced close by like in any other informal settlements during that time. Nothing out of the ordinary. Point being that this place became jobless after the project was complete. Until the Orania beweging showed up. Unfortunately as part of their values they don't rely on cheap non white labour. So these coloured residents, who came there in the first place for jobs supporting the Dept Water Works town, who then left once done leaving no jobs, still had no jobs.

[@drea7295]

@@stefanmuller9653 thanks for sharing very interesting I was thinking of moving into an old place like this that also has prefab houses but it is really in the middle of nowhere I don't drive but I want to work with nature reserves in the area maybe , I think the reason they don't want to employ coloured people is because of its ideology / theology and this obviously gives jobs to residents.I do not employ anyone to do anything for me as a christian because I'd be unequally yoked with unbelievers on the odd occasion I gave someone a peace job equipment was always stolen I just do everything myself if possible but if I meet a christian born again person they want to do some work I need sure it doesn't matter what skin color they have .I understand your point of view and theirs .

[@drea7295]

@@stefanmuller9653 I never knew they had a constitution , I think it's almost a state with in the state they never declared independence ...(Yet)

[@bingbong8239]

I remember seeing article on the town about how a politician raised taxes for the soul purpose of buying some expensive car and I remembered "Wow, that was quick." African nations need to take notes on Botswana's anti-corruption schemes

[@mokulyoe6959]

Can one forget the actions of the Boers as authored by Hendrick Verfoot? Of course not. Therefore! Africa should never, must never and will never forget; simply to avoid repeat performance by the ungrateful intruders.

[@cally2011]

Something crazy about Orania. They dont even try to exploit through cheap labour. They just draw a line, thats it

[@RendaniNetshirungulu]

They don't want a black face in their projects

[@justrandom4304]

Let me tell you Orania will expand and they will develop a military, 2/3 generations from now your grandkids will suffer because we turned a blind eye!!! Sounds dramatic but Israel has already bought larges amounts of land in the Western Cape and are fueling this Cape Independence movement! That is the only future of Orania nothing good will come of this think about it??

[@1Beta1]

​@@justrandom4304That's not possible. To even become a state, you'll have to amend the constitution since secession isn't allowed, and to even amend the constitution, you'd need to 66.6% majority vote in the national assembly and then get support from 6 of the 9 provinces (which will have votes of their own). So unless the apartheid government magically reappears to make this happen, It's not going to happen my friend.

[@cally2011]

@@1Beta1 to be fair, he kinda does have a point about a military. How much time and money do they need to fend off the sandf? Having said that, even if every afrikaaner moves there, it wont be enough. They also wont get any intl recognition. Those two things are required then they will suspend the const for thier 'territory'. Thats even more far fetched.

[@1Beta1]

@@cally2011 Exactly

[@MkhuseliMazungulaWorld1905]

Incredible breakdown. Oranja should never have been a thing in a post Apartheid South Africa. The fact that they view preserving Afrikaner culture as telling non-white people to stay away says a lot.

[@_SMWX]

💯

[@stefniehatzimichael209]

Jealousy makes you nasty😢

[@seektruth5750]

Jealous of what? You insist on being in Africa but hate its people, hello?

[@Ethan00130]

Jealous of white supremecists????

[@toosiie214]

It raises the question of why certain groups, who seem to reject integration into the broader South African society, don't choose to relocate to Europe, where they may feel a greater cultural alignment. Additionally, it’s worth considering why there hasn’t been stronger governmental action, such as sanctions, against those isolated communities that continue to distance themselves from national norms and values.

[@AnnamagrietDeWet]

Europe is far more integrated than South Africa. They will not survive in Europe 😂

[@ryanstephen6163]

This is like saying Xhosa people should just go live in the Congo or Tanzania if they don't like some people here in SA because the Bantu tribes originally migrated from up north, so they should feel at home in those countries where they originally came from, right? If the people of Orania should "just go back to Europe", why didn't black South Africans "just go back up north" to other African countries during Apartheid? The only ones who went to other African countries were those who were hunted down by police for planning to destabilise the government, everyone else stayed in SA. The people of Orania are not trying to destabilise your government, they are minding their own business, so what reason do you have to try and sanction them? The Apartheid government had better reasons than you. If they are not stealing from you and their existence does not affect you, why does it bother you that they are there?

[@johnkelly3886]

The transition to majority rule democracy was not peaceful. There was widespread violence: the train massacres, the township wars, and a low grade civil war in KZN. We were only too happy, to let a small group of Afrikaners set up a whitostan, in a small town in the Northern Cape; if this could facilitate the transition. We thought nothing much would come of it. And, we were right. The vast majority of whites prefer the opportunities offered by the new South Africa, even if they incessantly whine on about majority rule.

[@brettlinn3063]

Sizwe as a white english person who cannot live in orania, as im not afrikaans, I respect each person black or white to have the right to protect / preserve their culture, language and traditions. The constitution protects self determination. I cannot see your problem with Orania. They are a very successful self sufficent community with no crime, wanting to determine their own way of living. They own a incredibly small piece of land where their town is situated , accounting for less than 0.05% of South Africa. I dont see a problem with a very small separate independent state for white afrikaners who want to live amongst their own people. Please dont confuse self determination with racism.

[@judmap5618]

Nonsense

[@brettlinn3063]

@@judmap5618 read the constitution

[@brianr4960]

They are the ancestors of the people who left the Cape of Good Hope because they couldn't live under the WHITE English government. Let them go!

[@vicmabiya5884]

Do you understand that the land is preserving apartheid legacy, the biggest crime against humanity?

[@greatartthoumaluleka6740]

@brettlin thank you for admitting that you have a right to determine your own way of life whilst Worldwide Africans we subjugated to your Roman dutch laws and western way of life thats the difference your meglomainic thought of us is that we are nothing worthy of determining our own destiny you constantly manipulate, interfere and even kill to protect your European Cuacasian dominance and thats the truth!

[@MlungisiCiti]

By law & principle(spirit of our constitution) that farmland(orania)must be confiscated/ expropriated by the state,those who seek separation should move back to Netherlands,UK etc,their days are numbered, revolution is unfolding in SA🇿🇦🔥

[@Kush-Kemet]

Dutch/European Invanders getting triggered and catching stray on the comments 😂😂😂

[@bishopjay]

It was a town yesterday and today it's a town and tomorrow it would be a country

[@fennimegamenoangukku6138]

Exactly the concern by many, you can’t have a small country within a country period

[@IonizedComa]

​@fennimegamenoangukku6138 So are we going to stop Lesotho from existing as well?

[@stefniehatzimichael209]

That's called working&building, not stealing and lazy like anc😢

[@jnel2879]

@@fennimegamenoangukku6138 boo hoo

[@Cyp372]

​@@gorereel.r2780 Let the Americans and European take them like they did in 1994 and currently do. The whites need to exit. Their people are willing to accept them back

[@BokkieBam]

The Afrikaner was supposed to be a broken down group. But now they are creating universities again!! 😮

[@Dalf80s]

Afrikaners will never be broken

[@seektruth5750]

@@Dalf80swhy do they insist on living in Africa when they hate Africans? Why can’t they create all these things where they can be happy, among white people in the majority, the Netherlands

[@Waldgxnger]

@@Dalf80s The Boer Spirit ⚡️

[@childofkingjesus777]

Die Afrikaner Sal altyd weer opstaan!

[@Jeffreylaughs]

Mandela really sold us out

[@mrmusanda3576]

Mandela is a decoy Dove - PM Botha

[@SambiliANGOLensis]

@@mrmusanda3576 and pm botha is? Your grand fada?

[@sibongilechakela4468]

Ramaphosa is worse

[@ngwzi5229]

The entire ANC

[@hantieprins3891]

Why..should Mandela have killed all whites ! You are bein sold out by your very own people...the ANC/EFF who lives high and mighty when the rest have to fight for a living.. and it is not the white man's fault.. get off your lazy..b--.. and do something for yourself.. first off.. get rid of our so-called government..

[@nan_di-nice]

"Cooked sisters" took me out 😂😅. Maaan long live the spirit of Madiba.

[@edwardabrahams2353]

my friend, leave Orania, ALONE! let people live the way they choose to live, they are Not a harm to anyone.

[@siphamandlamkhize9766]

it's weird to Africans it does not make sense, that's why other Africans are mocking and laughing at us

[@justrandom4304]

Let me tell you Orania will expand and they will develop a military, 2/3 generations from now your grandkids will suffer because we turned a blind eye!!! Sounds dramatic but Israel has already bought larges amounts of land in the Western Cape and are fueling this Cape Independence movement! That is the only future of Orania nothing good will come of this think about it??

[@trevorsnyman6106]

If you want a whites only state, get out of SA.

[@Dalf80s]

Chest pains 😂😂😂

[@seektruth5750]

Who have the LEFT ALONE??? Ever???? Did they leave the people they threatened off that land alone????? Leave them alone on African land? Where they don’t want African people? Excuse you?

[@b88mtorba]

cry about it

[@NameBrand6743]

This topic was seriously triggering, SMWX, and that is what makes this topic necessary. The images of Mandela in Orania, the quoting of Jacob Zuma from Doc's book, referencing to FF+ and celebrity visits... SERIOUSLY TRIGGERING! Well done, SMWX, for being fearless & even going near this topic 😅 ❤

[@thandiwear]

It is very funny how - South Africa is Number 1 in the Economy of Africa - and you have people say that it is a failing state and not a resilient state

[@HeyJuuude-05]

Orania was born out of violent dispossession 15:00

[@thabomashego2025]

It was a good presentation as you mentioned all the leaders who visited Orania. Former President Mandela, former President Zuma, and you even mentioned Hnr Gayton McKenzie. But why did you deliberately leave Julius Malema out? Julius Malema visited Orania and you deliberately left out such important piece of information.

[@Sifisomabanga]

Julius doesnt matter

[@jackklok5754]

I am puzzled. How can a whites only town become a black spot? Surely you must call it a white spot. But a white spot on a clean white page appears to be completely invisible. Nothing wrong or untoward. In fact, your terminology is an oxymoron. Your reasoning is flawed. You are completely unversed in the history and experiences of all the people in Southern Africa since 1652, the various interactions they experienced, the many hardships and few good times they lived through. What do you actually want to achieve? What are your objectives? Who were the good guys and who were the bad guys or have already decided that. Who were the warriors and who the peace makers. Who ruled the longest and who dragged the South Africa peoples into the most wars. Who exploited us the most and who invested the most in the upliftment of the people. Who provided the most honest and competent government, who worked hardest and most at self enrichment. I recommend that you study our history and all its complexities before you write a lot of bulship. (I can spell better than that)

[@ngcoyamalusi1]

We do not need any study to know that apartheid is evil. No study is needed to know that black Africans are still poor even now. No study is needed to know that Afrikaners are racist and unapologetic about it.

[@Ethan00130]

Are you genuinely insinuating there was nothing wrong with colonisation and white supremacy

[@janmoganwa5930]

Dr Sizwe, this has been the best attempt I have seen at the distinction between proximate explanation (the how) versus the ultimate explanation (the why). I have cringed every time people got drunk on the propaganda of the how of Orania and missed out on the why of Orania. If you asked parents in Orania where they would like their kids to go, it is usually to another country of a different culture; so much for cultural preservation! It's ok for kids to mix with Americans but not with their fellow South Africans. Personally I have no issues with whoever wants to live separately for whatever reason; I just find it insulting that it is sold as about preserving culture. As for politicians, follow the money to make sense of their postures. Maybe same applies to some of the podcasters. Thank you for seeing through the fluff. I think Orania is an irritation receiving too much attention than it is worth: I really believe there are more South Africans across race wanting to build a better South Africa for all.

[@JamesRobertJones2001]

Have you considered the right to self-determination that we all have?

[@Ethan00130]

@@JamesRobertJones2001this is not self determination, this is racism.

[@NI-yy9zr]

I'm Japanese, but there are some schools in Japan that only Koreans can attend. I don't think it's a good idea to spread hatred between ethnic groups too much, and in fact, English is also a language of english white peoples, so I think higher education in the mother tongue is the best. Afrikaners should preserve Afrikaans and Zulu speakers should be able to study Zulu in higher education. Making an artificial language like Esperanto a common language between ethnic groups is also a way to resolve ethnic conflicts.

[@sharonadams9721]

It sounds as if Oranje is ultimately pushing towards secession.

[@freddierobberts7373]

You are making a fool of yourself..

[@Killerslime-vk5uv]

@@freddierobberts7373 why do you say so?

[@RebeccaPrecious-x5g]

Guilty as charged

[@obySedgefieldgemofourgardenrou]

We need more oranias, places that work ,produce and export, exemplary

[@siphamandlamkhize9766]

What has Orania produced that benefits South Africa?

[@ryanstephen6163]

@@siphamandlamkhize9766 They support the rand by bringing in foreign currency through their exports (Huge Macadamia nut exports to China from Orania for example), then they spend that money on South African products that are not produced in Orania, which creates jobs for black South Africans. Then their export businesses pay tax to the SA government, as well as anything they import contributes tax to the fiscus. They benefit you a lot.

[@bobbolondz2701]

​@@siphamandlamkhize9766Why should it help South Africa? Blacks are constantly leeching off the white man.

[@Ethan00130]

NO. We certainly do not need MORE communities built upon the idea of white superiority.

[@louis-philippeletourneau7689]

They have the right to exist and preserve their culture like others nations in African

[@drea7295]

I personally dont think Orania is shameful.most townships are black south African , Orania is no different to amish communities the constitution allows self determination freedom of association and celebration of cultural heritage .

[@seektruth5750]

Oh man, do you know the history of townships in SA to have the audacity to compare them to Orania, in DEFENSE of Orania?

[@drea7295]

@@seektruth5750 Someone else said everyone can live in townships, I disagreed, Orania under the South African constitution is allowed .if a Zulu cultural village was made no one would say anything , people just want to cry about silly things children are dying in Soweto not orania.go make a mouse about that maybe instead because I think almost 29 children have been poisoned.

[@seektruth5750]

@@drea7295 I promise you you’re not going to tell us what to talk about and what not to talk about. You’re drawing false parallels cos on this here land of Africa, you should expect that there are African tribes occupying those lands, as they should. What you’re defending is a secessionist state that is only going to grow and eventually become something like the state of Israel which isn’t far fetched cos you’re already on the cape independence nonsense, which the Brit foreigner leading the movement, total insanity. We won’t keep quiet about it, something should be done, how do you think that people can go through colonialism and apartheid, and not see this as a threat?

[@Ethan00130]

@@seektruth5750the very fact that this person thinks comparing groups of people who have been OPPRESSED and FORCED to live in townships because of decades of laws that took away THEIR RIGHTS can be compared to these white supremacists setting up a colony is beyond me

[@marangm7596]

The racists are all seething in the comments 😭 they really love their little enclave

[@pablocharlie]

Keep crying, they keep building you keep rapping and doing crime, you're laughed at. They wouldn't have needed to make Orania if the voters could cote competently and if they could've governed with moral integrity and ethics 😂 and im colored

[@veronicakarstel9126]

We are proud of Orania

[@chronosmagasaurus2813]

Orania is a success story, unlike everything else thats damaged in the country. They are indeed racist, but this video is clearly race bait and created to invoke a response from them. My comment will most likely get deleted

[@hantieprins3891]

Oh Yes, we do.. we like to see a well governed peaceful prosperous little town succeed..where the government of the country is failing so badly.. your jealousy is so obvious..

[@markriordan9010]

...hey brother ! Nothing wrong in wanting to be comfortable in your own "enclave"...they've WORKED for it, a concept that seems foreign to many....

[@sizla8837]

Why are people "scared" to confront this issue!?!

[@Ritesh-yy1zr]

Good question? They weak I guess. Waiting on government to save them

[@traumaqueeen]

Because they are racist and they want to gaslight us about our history. Very sinister

[@sizla8837]

@@Ritesh-yy1zr What I hate is fine the ANC has been seriously complicit on this issue and eventually it will get to the stage of civil war and only then they will panic and grandstand, also this whole Cape Independence is brewing and will become problematic!!!

[@Ritesh-yy1zr]

@@sizla8837 ANC are useless from '94. But yeah something has to give in soon. And it doesn't look good

[@zazzleq6139]

The govt army protects them I think

[@NestaVision2007]

In the U.S., it is commonly known that there are what are known as "Sundown towns". These are towns that aren't "officially all white", however it is commonly known that Blacks should not be there after dark. Living in Texas, the town of Vidor, Texas is one of many many towns in the U.S. with such reputations.

[@garyyoung6125]

Many many towns only have blacks or latinos there . Are you complaining ??

[@littlestghost]

​@garyyoung6125 is jy stupid?

[@EstaJeanette-nk7fj]

​@@garyyoung6125 do they have restrictions against non black or non Latinos from going there?

[@1Beta1]

What does this have to do with anything? Plus in modern day America, I find it hard to believe that such places would still exist, unless it's on private property.

[@garyyoung6125]

The amish only allow amish . And whites and blacks are not allowed on reservations for native Americans

[@veronicafarrell6676]

Before I listen to the rest of this podcast I would like to share the thought that a segregationist project like Orania is depriving the followers of the rich vitality of culture emanating from black communities. In other words, the people of Orania would never enjoy the kind of dance, music, freedom of thought and laughter that prevails in culturally diverse communities.

[@jazzytza5514]

Thank you Bra Sizwe✌️. As a young South African i have been empowered by this channel and your inputs have shed light to topics that are somewhat ignored or marginaised in the South African mainstream media. Ayeye✌️❤️

[@Cper2000]

The Calvary's not coming to save you bru, nor is Dr Sizwe. Go back to work, no handouts are coming.

[@Tizza.21]

Sizwe must be protected at all costs..

[@Cper2000]

You need to protect yourself from the insanity of Sizwe. Use your brain to think and stop blaming the world for your problems!

[@nathanagnew9167]

But who wants to hurt this kid ? he looks like Bennie boekwurm 🤣 he went to a Uni but makes TouTube videos. 😭

[@ikpoegee]

​@@nathanagnew9167Sizwe has a PhD from Oxford. What do you have?

[@kevinnefdt8653]

@ikpoegee university of the colonisers. Speaks volumes

[@ikpoegee]

@@kevinnefdt8653 what do you have? Stop deflecting like a kid and tell us what you have.

[@thendothenga5251]

Reading this comments give a true reflection of the feelings of ordinary South Africans about this so called democratic project. We are still divided. The former Master still feels entitled and can never negotiate on the same playing fields as his slave. On the reconciliation project - what was to reconcile if the other still had no remorse about the past.

[@twiggy-x5v]

Funny that all foreigners in South Africa have this entitlement culture in our country, all of them, black and white. Now we have Somalians and the British fighting to have their own political parties in our country. Zimbabweans suing our country for anything from RAF to medical negligence. Our country is being recolonised right under our noses

[@JohnTerblanche-l1r]

Before Apartheid your slave was Brits. Ask the Zulus who had to pay hut tax after the kingdom was split into 13 sections. 3000 people doesnt = 5 mil. Where is your master now? You have freedom dont you? Stop generalising.

[@joekie71]

Can you mention one country in this whole world that is not divided, please?

[@EstaJeanette-nk7fj]

​@@JohnTerblanche-l1r Brits, Dutch all Europeans. All same. You think among those racist in south Africa who are white are only Dutch.

[@EstaJeanette-nk7fj]

​@@joekie71 Seychelles. Japan.

[@abantontela8445]

1 day Orania will be big enough and start talking about independence.... since they are white, Christian and pro-Capitalism I see the west helping them out and we'll have an Israel-Palestine situation. Yes it sounds so far fetched now but i bet that's what the Palestinians said about the very 1st Israeli settlers.

[@tam1641]

It’s already happening . They will tell u God have them that land and there is nothing stupid Africans will be able to do about it ?

[@seektruth5750]

It’s not far fetched at all, I’m am scared at how much people are seemingly taking it lightly. We really truly must act now, soonest, to stop the nonsense, especially with the combination of the cape independence.

[@abantontela8445]

@seektruth5750 our leaders are too much of ass leakers to do anything about it... we've relied on democratic process so much that we don't see danger in front of our eyes... I'm not advocating for genocide or anything of that sort... but sometimes non-violent military intervention is needed to remind ppl that we re will to spill blood to protect our sovereignty and unity.. our grandchildren will judge us for blue ticking this 🤞

[@Dalf80s]

Why are you so afraid 😂😂😂

[@seektruth5750]

@@Dalf80s the ignorance of people on the matter is staggering, that’s why.!

[@p.srussell3899]

Every day is a school day…

[@neotrinityrakgajane]

How is this still allowed in a democratic dispensation?

[@nedor64]

Because self determination is real democracy.

[@livinganddyingabroad]

Thank Anc

[@neotrinityrakgajane]

@@nedor64 Segregation too?

[@khanyiswamagidimisi3174]

Reminding us not to fall on the same trap

[@nedor64]

@@neotrinityrakgajane "Segregation too?" Segregation and self-determination have two different meanings. Segregation (not by law) is a personal thing, it is a right, it is a personal choice, it is a right, you cannot enforce integration because that is forceful interference in peoples private lives. Self-determination is a right according to the UN and the SA constitution.

[@PatrickJacobs-u1f]

Question? Is Orania unconstitutional? If it is, then go to court.

[@GlenroseMakgorogo]

It is constitutional Remember freedom of association 😉

[@alfredphamotse1316]

@@GlenroseMakgorogo and idea to improve law and order, a very large police camp, black officers only, high rates of patrol, those guys need help to keep the stealing monkeys out of that special place.....

[@fennimegamenoangukku6138]

Of course the founders of Orania made sure it’s established within the confines of the law. Is that not how whites always try to protect themselves so blacks become powerless just like the land ownership. It is shameful that Orania is allowed to exist in this day and age, despicable!

[@chernyyvolk423]

Let's test where the constitution will stand firm on this one...Bill of rights sect 21 (3) says every citizen has the right to enter, remain and reside anywhere in the republic" Orania is not in Mars nor in Poland...it is in the republic of SA!

[@metapolitikgedanken612]

It's perfectly in line with any law in South Africa.

[@chriskewe4238]

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[@_SMWX]

🙏🏽

[@RSAGH4Sure]

Your video speaks more truth to Oriana than most SA Podcasters and KZbinrs that put up their propaganda video for Oriana

[@avengemybreath3084]

It’s great to see that current day South Africa is so moral and bright.

[@Spartan-1821]

Freedom for Orania 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱

[@seektruth5750]

Yea, in the Netherlands.

[@Dalf80s]

​@@seektruth5750nope right here. In our country

[@seektruth5750]

@@Dalf80s nah

[@Dalf80s]

@@seektruth5750 yebo, shout as much as you want to... Haha love it

[@seektruth5750]

@@Dalf80s please stop being weird, and where is the “shouting”? How you’re trying to come off isn’t hitting.

[@Qlekani]

This town is like a cancer that keeps grown and people keep ignoring it because "It doesn't bother anyone"...until it does and big enough to fight back violently. This is one thing our leaders cannot sweep under the rug because it's growing at a very rapid pace as of late, they keep passing the buck. South Africans should not stop talking about modern day segregation.

[@seektruth5750]

Exactly, it is steadily growing and it will be to a point where it now becomes Israel/Palestine type thing.

[@daCuddz]

They have a different currency IN South Africa…and people are asking what the problem is??!😂

[@ja5239ghhhjj]

it’s less a currency more a token system based of the rand

[@sizwedubeelimthende]

Technically it’s a coupon system where the real currency is still the Rand because they not wholly self sufficient.

[@biko8229]

Its madness. This is why Winnie Mandela always said the negotiators compromised too much at CODESA.

[@Mzansi-Times]

😂😂 that's crazy, we dont learn. We suffer from white supremacy mental illness

[@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub]

It's like going to a casino and changing your cash for tokens.

[@nothingness02]

Do you kinda get a feeling Israel and Palestine forming?

[@gorereel.r2780]

Bro. I'm scared. These people will pull an is ra hell on us and the Americans will back them

[@Kwazulujabul]

Sizwe you are half British, studied in the U.K. In our South African history the English are just as much part of Apartheid as the Afrikaner. Your ancestors participated in Apartheid.

[@michellerisimati]

The English and the Afrikaneer don’t get along. Remember there was a war between the English and the Afrikaneer when the Afrikaneer wanted to take over South Africa, Winston Churchill himself participated in the war. South Africa was one of the few countries to form part of the commonwealth. In 1947, I think a year or few months before apartheid was legal King George the 6 (Late Queen Elizabeth II) father visited South Africa and part of the reason was to stop the Afrikaneer from legalising Apartheid and taking over South Africa. I’m not defending the British yes they colonised etc but Apartheid was the Afrikaneer 💯 even though the British also indirectly benefited.

[@sonjaswart9866]

Netso. Hierdie ou wil vir ons kom preek, maar sy ma behoort aan dis nasie wat die grootste colonizers is! Sizwe is not credible.

[@agrid2608]

What a weird thing to say. Do you know how many black South Africans over the last 400 years are of mixed blood? I am not even talking about those who use the "coloured" label today. I am talking about Xhosas, Tswanas, Sothos, etc. Winnie Mandela is mixed. So is Nelson.

[@Kwazulujabul]

@@agrid2608 There for they are 50% white privileged. The white population in SA are constantly reminded of their white privilege status. I there say if you have white DNA you should acknowledge 50% of the blame. Because of Sizwe’s privileged background he also benefited by being able to study in the U.K.

[@shanghaichica]

@@Kwazulujabulbut wouldn’t the other 50% cancel it out so. So even using your silly analogy he has no ‘blame’. He has the right to his own opinion.

[@ThembinkosiJack]

ANC sold out long time ago,

[@Ritesh-yy1zr]

Yep, in the 90s already

[@thebehlahatsi8362]

"a failing South African state woul most possibly not be in a position to do us much harm" 🤣🤣

😂😂😂😂😂 that land was bought in 1990 your storey is so full of holes do propper research it was a baron peace of land and is now doing extremely well and that is why you all complain and now want it Madela was their and visited with Betsie Verwoerd this is nothing more than jelousy

[@lettuceandtomatoes89]

Personally, I would think twice about calling anyone jealous (yes, that is the spelling) on a national issue. Also, to accuse an International Relations lecturer at Wits of not doing proper (yes, that is the spelling) research without revealing your sources - well, I don't know what to say hey....

[@Ethan00130]

Why on earth would anyone be jealous of a white supremacist settlement?

[@Ematrap]

Mandlela was chewing tobacco and drinking cheap brandy with Betsie Verwoerd in orangea.😢 Imagine, embracing the people who jailed and oppressed you and yours ???? How low is your self worth???

[@jacquesdewet2661]

Mandela went to prison for setting bombs that killed innocent civilians.. dumb dumb.

[@PhetogoNoore]

And they killed Chris Hank because he was going to totally change the dynamic of this country.

[@Ritesh-yy1zr]

They bought Mandela

[@violatommy6972]

Guys you will never ever understand Nelson Mandela. He knew that in order to get the whole country give them hecters only 😂😂😂😂

[@zazzleq6139]

Thank you. I always say dutch god doesn’t have compensation for us who have been disposed of our land. Pastors never talk about when our land will be returned to Africans and when reparations will be paid by all EU govts that funded apartheid.

[@garyyoung6125]

No restrictions . Anyone will be treated with respect . Just don’t expect to be treated as a family member .

[@sammakwela]

It's always interesting to me that: Some people are referred to as White, as opposed to European. Some people are referred to as Black, as opposed to African. Yes, some are referred to as Indian or Chinese, as opposed to by colour. There's something there 🤔

[@tiMos-w1n]

They are Europeans😂😂😂

[@twiggy-x5v]

Because we have black people all over the world, not just in Africa, just like we have white people in other countries except Europe.

[@T1Xerxes]

@@twiggy-x5v You are not a color dumb dumb. You come from somewhere.

[@VictorShongwe-eh3sc]

Anc doesn't care about future generations of SA

[@gerarddeclerck3939]

..you forgot to mention the crime stats in Orania

[@thabo3866]

Is this the topic of discussion?

[@gerarddeclerck3939]

@@thabo3866 Well if you prefer the topic chosen by the Prof of reviving racial hatred, be my quest, I only thought one positive aspect of Orania may have been in order considering 30 years of democracy in the rest of the country has delivered mostly violence, corruption and destruction. Perhaps our learned friend can learn something from Prof Boshoff.

[@thabo3866]

@@gerarddeclerck3939 No no no.. You guys never want to be critiqued that's the problem. it's fine when Sizwe discusses ANC corruption the whole month, but as soon as he touches other sensitive issues that make whites uncomfortable, it's either he's "inciting racial hate" or "playing the victim" it doesn't work like that! Are you telling me you see the anomaly of having a "whites-only" town in a country with a history like ours?

[@thabo3866]

@@gerarddeclerck3939 I asked if crime stats were the topic of discussion or not..

[@sonjaswart9866]

@@gerarddeclerck3939 Sê hom. Daar is zero crime in Orania😂.

[@anelemlozana6933]

The same ANC government that fought off apartheid and is helping Palestine fight an apartheid state like Israel is risking a Israel Luke situation by allowing Orania to operate in South Africa.

[@mpiloenhlesibanda3666]

Nice

[@SeelanSingaram]

Only a giant of the magnitude of Mandela can show such a unifying act..... Few can understand but millions have benifited from his humbleness

[@Ethan00130]

To all the “they aren’t bothering anyone let them live in peace don’t let them upset you” comments. Do yall understand that if you’re NOT and white afrikaaner you would not be allowed to to live there? Do yall genuinely not see the problem in that? The sole fact that the entire place is BUILT upon racism and division ?????

[@Penuelism]

I dare SMW to go visit Orania and then come back to make a follow-up video. I'm willing to go there with him. I also dare those who have criticized my sitdowns there, to please go rewatch them... I asked qns about racism & the controversies from the inception of the town. Thank you.

[@senior_lamola]

@@Penuelism your a domkop of high note who kiss pink ass