osu!mapping: learning taiko

talking about my experiences with mapping a different mode and relating it to mapping standard osu
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beat saber clip: • Beat Saber - Sendan Li...
maps referenced:
chano & 40mP - Natsukoi Hanabi by deetz: osu.ppy.sh/b/1388395
Infected Mushroom - The Legend Of The Black Shawarma by leidopodus: osu.ppy.sh/b/74555
chano & 40mP - Kiritorisen by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/1766119
Nothing But Thieves - Amsterdam by appleeaterx: osu.ppy.sh/b/1489205
JIN ft. MARiA from GARNiDELiA - daze (TV Size) by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/s/845064
*namirin - closing eyes by Nardoxyribonucleic: osu.ppy.sh/b/1497438&m=1
Jin ft. MARiA from GARNiDELiA - daze by KantoKun: osu.ppy.sh/b/403168
S3RL - MTC (Radio Edit) by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/1514712
MF DEEJ - drop_it_like_the_nasdaq.wav by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/985618
Hanatan, yuikonnu & Mitani Nana - Songs Compilation by Skystar: osu.ppy.sh/s/135876
chano x 40mP - Sanpomichi by Milan-: osu.ppy.sh/s/684061
Shano x 40mP - Kiritorisen by Frostmourne: osu.ppy.sh/s/79307

[@ProfessionalBox]

Today I learned that you're supposed to press the big taiko notes with 2 buttons

[@OzzyOzrock]

you don't have to in arcade taiko so you were close!

[@KPoWasTaken]

@@OzzyOzrock you are supposed to but you don't have to in osu or arcade but osu auto still does it properly

[@plasmodius9449]

@@KPoWasTaken no, in arcade taiko you don't need to hit the both sides of the drum for big notes to get bonus points.

[@infomyst]

@@plasmodius9449 then whats the point of big notes?

[@sergiodavid2979]

@@infomyst the sound and how well it goes for the music.

[@denebu]

As a taiko mapper, I can say that having experience playing the mode to some extent does help in knowing what seems good and what seems bad in terms of representing the song.

[@JarvisGaming_]

Deneb, please return the mod on one of my maps, thanks

[@opposite342]

@@JarvisGaming_ lmao

[@JarvisGaming_]

@@opposite342 ?

[@geniousOG]

Can confirm, it helps a TON

[@vertoHUN]

one of us, one of us!

[@kfoley275]

ONE OF US!

[@odaeiichiro667]

All for one, one for all

[@seselis1]

!us of one, of us one

[@ulko6036]

As a taiko player and mapper, I can say that osu!taiko is really attached to the original game taiko no tatsujin, that's why there's plenty of "norms" and the mods are mostly based on playability stuff. I guess it's because a lot of pro players and mappers came from taiko no tatsujin. osu!standard is not the case because not every osu player came from the original osu, so they created a hole new form of game.

[@Hkefp]

Yes

[@thunderjolt69]

I hope you do the other modes. Also interview Ascendance.

[@Sternendrache11]

Yeah, I kinda really want him to try ctb now.

[@BowieProYT]

Mania

[@leandrolima4902]

@@BowieProYT Waiting for osu!mapping: Jinjin

[@thelux7314]

pishi already mapped and modded ctb, not sure if he's going to do anything more than he already did since getting mods isn't easy in ctb

[@DJruslan4ic]

Kinda cool idea for a video: do a video about mapping fanmades for other rhythm games

[@261]

Being a taiko mapper/player, this is interesting to watch. I hope more people decide to pick up mapping for this mode. I also learned actually playing the mode makes a huge difference in the quality of your maps. Learning to play the game you learn common patterns that are pretty much essential to use in mapping. Take my experience of mapping over 120 maps, starting from being a 5 digit to a near 2digit.

[@fortuitous_puddle7151]

I did not at all expect a video about another game mode at this point. Thanks for going outside your comfort zone to try something new :)

[@cavemann_]

Finally spreading popularity of modding in other modes. Can't wait for mania and ctb next.

[@kintama2326]

idk how you can map taiko without the Taiko no tatsujin hitsound

[@yukiko1212]

Alright mate I wanna give you a few tips and things I've learned myself on charting taiko. Former BN and charter of 8 years here. You can interchange chart and map, but I use chart because I don't want to use "map" when talking in other RG communities lol This complement also applies to aspiring new charters. - Variety can be created in many different ways, but one of the most acceptable and widely used is through subtle rhythm or color changes. - However, copypasting is some sort of grey area, some hate it on the grounds that it's very cheap, some use it to emphasize certain parts (like a chorus), but I'd personally advise against unless you know what you're doing! - As you have realized, lots of charters make the difference between pitches to color their patterns, which is actually one of the most common "styles". However, other styles include charting with simpler patterns, focusing the coloring on the percussion, improvising patterns to complement the song instead of strictly following it, focusing on the vocal, which actually makes for a very diverse ecosystem. I could draw the parallel with osu!"standard", where some people want to focus on technique while other want to focus on aesthetics. - *Don't be scared of trying out other styles from other people.* - You don't cheat it by charting that fast. I would say that 1 hour for 4 minutes is an average even for more experienced people (I personally have a currently ranked chart that took me about 30 minutes to complete). And adapting lower difficulties is also a valid way of creating them. That's all I can offer for now, but if you have any questions I'll be answering them throughly.

[@lovedyou8081]

I was waiting for this

[@psisco]

show us mapping other modes

[@OzzyOzrock]

the man has ARRIVED

[@Halogenvsrg]

This video is *hugely* inspiring to me as someone who wants to jump into mapping for osu!standard. I've got a substantial amount of experience in mapping for mania and have a solid backing in music theory, but I often find issues in trying to correlate the utilization of sliders and general fluency in structure. Seeing you jump into Taiko with what seems to be very minimal experience is awesome and it's neat that you're able to jump out of your comfort zone like that. I've had thoughts of trying to rank an all-mode map without any guest difficulties for years. By the way, I absolutely love the videos that you do.

[@AkaruiYAGI]

Hope you do the other 2 modes

[@osutips]

I would love to see that kind of video for each mode!

[@JennyDarukat]

Mapping Taiko in addition to standard is a great way to explore additional ways to add nuance to a song tbh. I'm glad I played and mapped both modes, it's great for perspective.

[@janmagtoast]

The thing about high pitch and low pitch makes a lot of sense. That knowledge just improved my reading by like 300%, thx

[@over_loadcode]

9:02 perfect cymbal timing

[@BlubbZerMan]

aw man seeing this as a taiko player just put a huge smile on my face. I can definitely recommend to play the mode alot before you map tho, its actually pretty easy after that if you got basic mapping skills down :3

[@lynlvooid]

now try ctb

[@Oreoezi]

Next: mapping on Linux / with sound offset

[@Oreoezi]

@@Kyuunex glad I'm not alone

[@KingHalbatorix]

>use a windows vm there, 3 second video

[@Oreoezi]

@@KingHalbatorix I am going to make an educated guess and say that you've never tried that.

[@orinami3310]

can’t wait for the ctb video

[@Bobbias]

As a mania player, I'd love to see you try mapping mania (preferably both 4 and 7k, because they are SO radically different in many ways). Mania has a lot of tools for emphasizing different elements of music and a lot of different ways to explore the layers of sound in a song.

[@thisperson345]

Honestly anyone who can map is fucking amazing, I don’t understand it at all so props to all you mappers out there, no Matter how popular you are, I respect you :)

[@mercylessplayer]

Oooh please do the other gamemodes this was super interesting

[@flandrescarlet2903]

I saw the map on the website and saw it was taiko, but pishifat? Saw this video coming a mile away

[@epicreplays1595]

Glad to see that these minigames are getting some light :^

[@Flamenc0]

Taiko is like 2k mania so its minigames minigame

[@smileyhead]

I remember playing that map when it got ranked and I enjoyed it a lot. (I play both Std and Taiko regularly, but I'm in no way pro in either.)

[@antori11]

as a mania who tried mapping i would want to see how you'd fare in it and what criticisme you'd get, i dont get alot of people to mod my maps/files so i wanna see what's good or fun when it comes to mapping stuff for mania. thanks!

[@ZeBros_SWAG_XD]

Do catch next!!!

[@element118_5]

there's probably some difference in mapping >6* and a

[@chriszyboisz740]

General Kenobi!

[@Golden-jv2uo]

learning mania next!!!

[@deadbaby9292]

Plz do catch the beat mapping video. I beg you!

[@Hivie]

i dedicate my taiko BN/NAT tenure to this video

[@eggboi4747]

I would love to see you map in beat saber. If you do send the map my way, and I'll give feedback as an experienced player with thousands of beat saber maps played.

[@slavsoul332]

can you make a video like this but the topic is ctb please

[@pinkbean6946]

I'd like to comment that you're not wrong with kat and don being used to contrast layers in the music, this is a perfectly valid approach to taiko charting. If you want a basic idea of my personal policy when charting taiko (I have more than like a hundred solo charts): don and kat are kinda like opposites, when a contrast in the song appears that demands a change in color, you change the color. It's kinda simple.

[@feni_1553]

Don + Clap/Whistle = Ka Don/Ka + Finish = DON/KA Slider = Drum Roll! Drum Roll! + Finish = DRUM ROLL! Spinner = Baloon

[@RoroTheDeer]

Do it for mania next

[@gothicwvlff2]

imagine hitting finishers

[@Crafterdark]

please make "osu!mapping: learning catch the beat" :D

[@youvegoattobekittenme6908]

what's the tool you were using at 4:56 ?

[@NickstarMC]

Mania next?

[@WangleLine]

Now do one for mania! :D

[@asmylia9880]

Learning Nacht 100 when?

[@deadlyazurite]

I’ve been taught to taiko. Thank you mr. fat.

[@catbin7733]

What the song at 5:38

[@james-rl4wz]

osu catch next ye?

[@play-s-_______-osu]

What is thing at 4:47

[@opposite342]

CTB and Mania when?

[@Tailsdk]

Mania is the one mode where standard stuff really doesnt help at all since pretty much everything is different. If you want to try mapper go and try that.

[@zezimaownz432]

ayyy i made it into a pishifat vid! (im Whats Skill) 4:19

[@niroe82]

Mapping Taiko without playing Taiko is honestly pretty fucking insane, because if you noticed, a lot of the known mappers in the Taiko community are often also excellent players. A lot of the top players map actively and have ranked map. Mapping Taiko rely a lot on knowing how it feels to play Taiko and how you conceive the rhythm in your head while playing it. It's very important for the "Improvisation" part of mapping, and also to have a better understanding of how the dons and kats mix together at higher speed (streams/bursts) in order to create more complex rhythmic/melodic progression Honestly, you map is pretty correct from what I played/seen, but it does feel like you don't actively play the gamemode for sure, and sadly it's not a positive in this precise case (although originality/difference can be a great thing, it rarely "feels good/right" in Taiko when it gets too out of the norm, some maps still do though and those are generally my favourite because the balance is right between precise and pleasant mapping, and novelty and originality)

[@bobtheblob7001]

If you ever decide to map mania, I'd be happy to help :)

[@vulcanprincess1584]

honestly repitition of rhythms is kindof necessary when playing rhythm games, especially a DRUM based rhythm game. drums are the foundation of music. music is fundamentally repetitive. if it feels excessively repetitive, then that's not really the mappers fault, that's the song. i have yet to map taiko but its one of my favorite game modes (well i like them all tbh), and personally my favorite taiko maps are the ones that follow the DRUMS, not the song, even if its repetitive. maybe im more suited to a game that has more elements for drums that more emulate an entire drum kit (like rockband drums for example), since there isn't a way to overlap blue and red in taiko, so you cant do a basic thing like 4 red notes as the bass drum with blue (as the hi hat) every other red note at the same time. that makes emulating even just the drums difficult, so i guess that's maybe why mapping it to highlighted parts of the song. in short, highlighting different parts of the song when it would get repetitive might be a solution to that. so if a certain section had taiko mapped to the lyrics, then that section repeats itself in the song, a different aspect of the song could be mapped during that reptition, to prevent the map itself from being repetitive. but that might run the risk of being too different from what was previously played. so maybe mapping more or less of the song, or adding improvisational flair (as more than even the song provides). idk, now im just dissatisfied with the taiko mode, oof. i guess rhythm games are by nature different from actually playing music, and even with playing music, people are usually limited to their respective instruments. and someone that does a one-man-band thing or looping also has different limitations. such is life

[@weewooweewoo1414]

map more taiko!! please!!!! nobody plays taiko, we need more people!!!!!!!! i cant stand being in the top 6k when i can only barely fc 4*!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@usion8049]

Try mania next :D

[@mattheasbp4819]

Now mania and ctb?

[@zamvss]

how about mapping high bpm?

[@baylego]

Inb4: Taiko only mapper

[@AbsolutlyN0thin]

so you planning to add taiko to all your standard map sets now?

[@joaoarthur2945]

I like Taiko :)

[@owencmyk]

I don't know who made that Beat Saber map you showed near the end. But if it was you, please never have to blocks leading into one another, it's incredibly dangerous for the player and can potentially injure them or cause damage to their controllers.

[@merlin8871]

the right to left scrolling hurt my eyes

[@miguelmsilva4112]

i feel that too, i got a little dizzy when i tried taiko

[@Kujar3Player]

@@miguelmsilva4112 I wish I only got a little dizzy, I can't possibly play taiko, the movement makes me feel really bad. I have motion sickness and I really can't play this mode. Same to some extent with Mania. CTB is fine but I don't really want to get into that mode, standard osu is perfect, nothing is moving around.

[@miguelmsilva4112]

@@Kujar3Player some people who have motion sickness say that higher refresh rates help

[@Kujar3Player]

@@miguelmsilva4112 yeah I thought that might help, the notes moving become "blury" in a way and it's really hard to watch. I'll try again when I buy a new monitor I guess.

[@longkim5707]

you just look at a part of the line, that way you can begin to recognize the patterns. that said, i can't even hit 1/8s comfortably cuz i suck

[@xxnuts9277]

Give taiko some love! :D

[@seba2366]

Taiko maps should strictly follow the drum part imo

[@jears]

Whats up with your taiko skin?

[@ragnarokvii]

Now, mania

[@qqqmint3865]

do mania next.

[@Valyrie97]

mania plox?

[@cakewolf44]

what map? 8:37

[@catbugtf]

i really want to see an etterna mapper try to get an osu mania map ranked, that would be interesting

[@chenar2]

Hello there!

[@KatouMegumiosu]

Oh boi. I remember doing a weeb chart for Clone Hero.

[@sniftys]

I wanted to nominate this >:(

[@zethz161]

Nominate mine :^)

[@apaajaboleh104]

That skin NotLikeThis....

[@shibized8594]

Hi!

[@AlphaLovesU]

Map beatsaber

[@hypercyte]

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[@apaajaboleh104]

Hello, there!

[@JarvisGaming_]

now start mapping dodge the beat

[@ixcors]

Fuck you. Map New Game Plus.

[@TFD500Official]

@@ixcors please stop being explicit to other users.

[@ZeBros_SWAG_XD]

Hello there, so what is taiko....

[@sarraceniafell]

This entire video is pishifat going over the problems with his taiko mapping that wouldn’t be issues if he actually played the mode. Doesn’t really make much sense to me to make levels for a game when you haven’t even spent much time playing it.

[@_w6dream317]

wtf did i just watch

[@dusaprukiyathan1613]

Is pishifat dead?

[@kecHik445]

taiko is just a minigame

[@zethz161]

Fuck you :^)

[@25_jep_ranggadwiheriatna70]

2 STD Tryhard Mapper disliked this video.

[@musicjax]

buy more stock market

[@ixcors]

hello there, so what is taiko...

[@aleron3328]

a mode nobody seems to care about p.s. hello superjspectrixv, I'll mod your tv size map with NHI spread later

[@ixcors]

~~you do realise you just said that to a std/taiko mapper right lmao~~ also please dont use my super cringy ign please >w

[@yellojello9163]

What r u doing here go watch OWC

[@georgewashington2736]

this channel is slowly becoming less mapping more playing.

[@celektus]

Wait how? Nothing in this video was about playing and he's been talking about general subjects in the community for like 2 years after going over all the basics

[@georgewashington2736]

@@celektus this is a joke.

[@Jono997]

So, reverse Ryutti? I probably misspelt that.

[@blackcatcher3313]

@@georgewashington2736 nice joke