Our Common Humanity: Authority & Continuity (Lecture 2)

[@conornagle9528]

Incredible. Thank you, Word On Fire. It's integrity like this that makes the Reason shine so brilliantly with the Faith.

[@oliverclark5604]

Conor Nagle, do not know "the Faith" or "the Reason" so they cannot for me "shine". Instead in uncertainty of belief, I keep or allow their inseparability and qualitative equality. I do not purport to presume to know them in this keeping. This keeping or allowing exercises an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of applications of gift ensuring and need insuring. This was such as by Pope Francis' keeping or allowing on 10 June 2021 in: 1. the Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees' tax-exempt charity donations case, presently been heard on indictments for embezzlement by Pope Francis' Vatican state court, 2. the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill insuring need of union of identities of family members' case before the Italian Parliament defeated in early November 2021 after a protest against it authorised by Pope Francis.

[@fernandovaldivia8334]

Relishly assimilating each lecture. Need to come back to it again and again. Thank you for these lectures!

[@danieldrazenovich935]

A very good presentation. Lots of information to digest.However it is a good overview of the documents and a wonderful starting point into how we begin to apply these documents to our life with Christ.

[@oliverclark5604]

Daniel Drazenovich, many of these documents have contents that are de facto nullified by Pope Francis' simultaneous authorisations on 10 June 2021 in his keeping in uncertainty of his belief inseparability and qualitative equality of his role and his identity exercising an absolute power of these simultaneous authorisations of applications in the cases of: 1. Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees of ensuring procreation gift by helpers of the family within the families of consecrated marriages, both celibate vowed to man in Christ and male female vowed to God (on indictment for alleged embezzlement been presently heard in Pope Francis' Vatican state court), 2. the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament insuring union need of identities of family members of consecrated marriages, both male female vowed to God and celibate vowed to man in Christ (defeated in early November 2021 after a protest against it authorised by Pope Francis). On falsely purported presumed religious coercion of "higher vocation" "the family can and must require from all [Church and State] ..." (Pope St John Paul, CL, 1988, 40), respect for the rights of non-coercion in this requiring be simultaneous authorisations with absolute power of applications within the family of ensuring procreation gift and insuring union need. These were simultaneously authorised by Pope Francis on 10 June 2021 in the absolute power of his family member role identity inseparability and qualitative equality to be applied soon after 10 June 2021 by Pope Francis' Secretariat of State in the cases of ensuring charity donations by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees, presently been heard in Pope Francis Vatican state court on indictments of tax-exemption embezzlement and insuring union need in the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian citizens' Parliament defeated in early November 2021 after a protest note authorised by Pope Francis by his Secretariat of State against this bill. How ensuring as process do-ing and insuring union be-ing as progress are related is demonstrated by the multiplier in economics and not by a false argument about "roles and responsibilities" to exercise non-existent coercive power. Pope Francis demonstrated on 10 June 2021 the multiplier effect in the family, the groundwork having been laid from 1930 with the description of the multiplier and its testing completed in 1964 with the finding required by the family application of by church and state. Delay in incorporating the findings into roman catholic church 'teaching' until de facto applied by Pope Francis on 10 June 2021 was due to obstruction by its occult as hidden, incest connected, nature of a non-economic false status inducement of higher vocation of celibate marriage to male female marriage. Both liberal and conservative groups in church and state helper of the family groups cannot understand these applications on simultaneous authorisations with absolute power of gift ensuring and need insuring in their seeking to know the ensuring role- insuring identity relationship rather than in uncertainty to believe this relationship is the keeping of their inseparability and qualitative equality without knowing one's role or identity. "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe." (RSV Jn 20:29).

[@brendamyc3057]

This is important teaching. Share this series with everybody!

[@oliverclark5604]

Brenda Myc, Word on Fire needs to note that much of the content of these lectures by Dr DeClue is nullified by Pope Francis de facto since his election on 13 March 2013 during and in leading up to his exercise on 10 June 2021 of an absolute power of authorisation in the cases of: (a) alleged embezzlement of charity donations by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees, presently been heard on this and other indictments in Pope Francis' Vatican state court, (b) an unacceptable risk of fraud on identities of family members of consecrated marriages by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament defeated in early November 2021 following a protest note against this bill to the Italian government authorised by Pope Francis.

[@henghuang8097]

0:53 💡 Humans have one origin - God - and one final end - unity with God. This shows our common humanity. 5:38 ⚖ Sin damages human relationships in three ways: with God, with others, and within ourselves. 15:38 📜 The Council upholds the moral obligation to seek religious truth, which aids human freedom. 21:40 🤝 The Council recognizes truth and value in some non-Christian religions, but upholds Christ as the fullness of truth. 26:53 🙏 Humans have sought divine truth throughout history in various religions, but divine revelation is still needed. Supported by NoteGPT

[@mikethemonsta15]

Absolutely excellent!! Thank you so much!

[@oliverclark5604]

M M, for me what in uncertainty I believe is "Absolute..." is the power of simultaneous authorisations exercised by Pope Francis on 10 June 2021 of applications by his Vatican state Secretariat of State of: 1. ensuring procreation gift by helpers of the family within the family in the case of Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees presently on trial in Pope Francis' Vatican state court on indictments for alleged embezzlement of charity donations by helpers of the family within the family; 2. insuring identities of family members of consecrated marriages need of union at unacceptable risk of fraud by passing of the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament, defeated in early November 2021 after a protest note against this bill to the Italian government authorised by Pope Francis that de facto nullify a significant part of the content of many of the Vatican 11 documents surveyed by Dr DeClue.

[@GiovaniBriguente]

Superb lecture! Much needed, much appreciated! God bless!

[@oliverclark5604]

Giovani Briguente, the contents of this lecture are much nullified and no longer needed by de facto changes by Pope Francis on 10 June 2O21 by his exercise of an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of applications by his Vatican state Secretariat of State of: 1. ensuring procreation gift by helpers of the family within the family in the case of Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees presently been heard on indictments of alleged embezzlement in Pope Francis' Vatican state court, 2. insuring need of union of identities of family members of consecrated marriages, both male female vowed to God and celibate vowed to man in Christ, in the case of the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament defeated in early November 2021 after a protest note against this bill authorised by Pope Francis as an unacceptable risk of fraud on union need of identities of family members

[@sudio143]

Thank you for doing these lectures!

[@oliverclark5604]

Susan Norwood, for me these lectures are out of date after de facto nullifying of some of the contents of many of the Vatican Council 11 documents by Pope Francis' simultaneous authorisations with absolute power of his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his role and his identity on 10 June 2021 of applications by his Vatican state Secretariat of State of: 1. ensuring procreation gift role by helpers of the family within the family in the Cardinal Becciu + 9 Vatican state citizens/employees' case presently before Pope Francis' Vatican state court on indictments for alleged embezzlement, 2. insuring union need of identities of family members of consecrated marriages in the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament case, defeated in early November 2021 after a protest note against this bill authorised by Pope Francis.

[@markrolinger3453]

Outstanding!

[@oliverclark5604]

Mark Rolinger, Word on Fire needs to note that much of the content of these lectures by Dr DeClue is nullified by Pope Francis de facto since his election on 13 March 2013 during and in leading up to his exercise on 10 June 2021 of an absolute power of authorisation in the cases of: (a) alleged embezzlement of charity donations by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees, presently been heard on this and other indictments in Pope Francis' Vatican state court, (b) an unacceptable risk of fraud on identities of family members of consecrated marriages by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament defeated in early November 2021 following a protest note against this bill to the Italian government authorised by Pope Francis.

[@mariaelenakoller5238]

These lectures teach so much beyond the latest Council, or even the Catholic faith... Why are we here? What is God's purpose for us? Essential concepts clearly laid out in simple language. Thank you, Dr. Declue, for this very enriching series!

[@oliverclark5604]

Maria Elena Koller, for me these lectures do not explain: 1. belief as by definition in uncertainty, as the keeping or allowing of the inseparability and qualitative equality of thinking reason and having faith, 2. how much content of many of the Vatican 11 documents has been de facto nullified by Pope Francis exercise in his family member role-identity on 10 June 2021 of an absolute power of authorisation of: (a) ensuring procreation gift by helpers of the family within the family in the case before his Vatican state court of alleged embezzlement of charity donations given by helpers of the family within the family by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees, (b) insuring need of union of identities of family members of consecrated marriages by a protest note to the Italian government against the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian state Parliament, defeated in early November 2021.

[@ljdowle5431]

THIS IS SUCH AN INCREDIBLE SERIES!!

[@Barbaramamato]

Most appreciative of this time intensive work. May God continue to bless you and your family always.

[@oliverclark5604]

Barbara Amato, Word on Fire needs to note that much of the content of these lectures by Dr DeClue is nullified by Pope Francis de facto since his election on 13 March 2013 during and in leading up to his exercise on 10 June 2021 of an absolute power of authorisation in the cases of: (a) alleged embezzlement of charity donations by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees, presently been heard on this and other indictments in Pope Francis' Vatican state court, (b) an unacceptable risk of fraud on identities of family members of consecrated marriages by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament defeated in early November 2021 following a protest note against this bill to the Italian government authorised by Pope Francis.

[@brianback6136]

Loved it!

[@oliverclark5604]

Brian Back, Word on Fire needs to note that much of the content of these lectures by Dr DeClue is nullified by Pope Francis de facto since his election on 13 March 2013 during and in leading up to his exercise on 10 June 2021 of an absolute power of authorisation in the cases of: (a) alleged embezzlement of charity donations by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees, presently been heard on this and other indictments in Pope Francis' Vatican state court, (b) an unacceptable risk of fraud on identities of family members of consecrated marriages by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament defeated in early November 2021 following a protest note against this bill to the Italian government authorised by Pope Francis.

[@marylynnmazzocco5367]

Now I have to watch this again to digest it.

[@oliverclark5604]

Mary Lynn Mazzocco, Word on Fire needs to note that much of the content of these lectures by Dr DeClue is nullified by Pope Francis de facto since his election on 13 March 2013 during and in leading up to his exercise on 10 June 2021 of an absolute power of authorisation in the cases of: (a) alleged embezzlement of charity donations by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees, presently been heard on this and other indictments in Pope Francis' Vatican state court, (b) an unacceptable risk of fraud on identities of family members of consecrated marriages by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament defeated in early November 2021 following a protest note against this bill to the Italian government authorised by Pope Francis.

[@gregorybrown4664]

Dr. DeClue, thank you for mentioning the work of Thomas Pink who did an excellent job of addressing the roles and responsibilities of the Church and State, especially regarding religious coercion. Those interested in the details of how the Council document purposefully focused on that of the State should read his 2012 published article on the First Things website.

[@oliverclark5604]

Gregory Brown, on falsely purported presumed religious coercion of "higher vocation" "the family can and must require from all [Church and State] ..." (Pope St John Paul, CL, 1988, 40), respect for the rights of non-coercion in this requiring be simultaneous authorisations with absolute power of applications within the family of ensuring procreation gift and insuring union need. These were simultaneously authorised by Pope Francis on 10 June 2021 in the absolute power of his family member role identity inseparability and qualitative equality to be applied soon after 10 June 2021 by Pope Francis' Secretariat of State in the cases of ensuring charity donations by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees, presently been heard in Pope Francis Vatican state court on indictments of tax-exemption embezzlement and insuring union need in the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian citizens' Parliament defeated in early November 2021 after a protest note authorised by Pope Francis by his Secretariat of State against this bill. How ensuring as process do-ing and insuring union be-ing as progress are related is demonstrated by the multiplier in economics and not by a false argument about "roles and responsibilities" to exercise non-existent coercive power. Pope Francis demonstrated on 10 June 2021 the multiplier effect in the family, the groundwork having been laid from 1930 with the description of the multiplier and its testing completed in 1964 with the finding required by the family application of by church and state. Delay in incorporating the findings into roman catholic church 'teaching' until de facto applied by Pope Francis on 10 June 2021 was due to obstruction by its occult as hidden, incest connected, nature of a non-economic false status inducement of higher vocation of celibate marriage to male female marriage. Both liberal and conservative groups in church and state helper of the family groups cannot understand these applications on simultaneous authorisations with absolute power of gift ensuring and need insuring in their seeking to know the ensuring role- insuring identity relationship rather than in uncertainty to believe this relationship is the keeping of their inseparability and qualitative equality without knowing one's role or identity. "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe." (RSV Jn 20:29).

[@gregorybrown4664]

@@oliverclark5604 bishops have the right and duty to teach, rule, and sanctify. This includes disciplining her subjects. I think there is significant confusion on this topic. No one can be forced to become a Catholic for example.

[@oliverclark5604]

@@gregorybrown4664 My reply on this issue of authority to Connor Nagle is as follows: "I do not know "the Faith" or "the Reason" so they cannot for me "shine". Instead in uncertainty of belief, I keep or allow their inseparability and qualitative equality. I do not purport to presume to know them in this keeping. This keeping or allowing exercises an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of applications of gift ensuring and need insuring. This was such as by Pope Francis' keeping or allowing on 10 June 2021 in: 1. the Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees' tax-exempt charity donations case, presently been heard on indictments for embezzlement by Pope Francis' Vatican state court, 2. the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill insuring need of union of identities of family members' case before the Italian Parliament defeated in early November 2021 after a protest against it authorised by Pope Francis." My comment on your post: The church as a helper of the family gift role has no duties. Its "right[s]" as also of the state in its role as a helper of the family are 'required by the family to be respected as what they, persons in church and state roles, consider to be their rights' (direction of Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Laity, dated 28 September 1994) and "which in saving the family, will save society itself." (Pope St John Paul 11, CL, 1988, 40).

[@ansond6372]

Vatican II for Dummies!! Love it and thank you 👍

[@oliverclark5604]

Anson D, for me by an apparent dummy as the contents of this lecture are much nullified and no longer needed by de facto changes by Pope Francis on 10 June 2O21 by his exercise of an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of applications by his Vatican state Secretariat of State of: 1. ensuring procreation gift by helpers of the family within the family in the case of Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees presently been heard on indictments of alleged embezzlement in Pope Francis' Vatican state court, 2. insuring need of union of identities of family members of consecrated marriages, both male female vowed to God and celibate vowed to man in Christ, in the case of the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament defeated in early November 2021 after a protest note against this bill authorised by Pope Francis as an unacceptable risk of fraud on union need of identities of family members.

[@maciejpieczula631]

29:23 these relatios should be attached to every document from the coucils.

[@Jack-rm9zz]

Could you please give the name of the article you referenced by Dr. Feser? Thank you

[@mr.k3228]

I watched this lecture series and have found it informative thus far. Though the information is helpful to those that have heard or read about the council a little it leaves many questions unanswered. It touches on topics that are important but the lecturer, I mean no disrespect, brushes over points that need to be expanded in more detail to approach a proper dialogue between “traditional” Catholics and “Vatican II Catholics.” An example of this is the lecturer mentions the topic of religious liberty and explains what the Second Vatican Council teaches on the subject. He mentions how the Council says that it pledges itself to faithfully holding to tradition But he doesn’t give the potential problematic context that is associated with this teaching. Most notably two Popes, Gregory XVI and Pius IX, condemned the concept of religious liberty outright. So an individual watching the presentation, with even a novice understanding of the subject, could come away feeling that this lecture is intended to support rather than truly dialogue about the Second Vatican Council. Which is a problem because this once again creates a dynamic where those supporting the Council as a “traditional document in continuity” assume the premise of continuity. The scholastic presentation of the Council by academics also seems flawed by presenting what happen after in the first part.. The Council is mentioned before any of the other pre-conciliar documents are even referenced, if they are referenced at all. So it leads into a unauthentic dialogue that presupposes the question of continuity which is the primary issue for those who disapprove of the Councils methods and subsequent theological “updating.” The lecturer also mentions topics quickly that sit in the heart and mind of “traditional” Catholics such as the issue of indifferentism but closes the door on the subject before it begins, assuming the justification is there but for those watching we are unsure. As Pope Gregory XVI says in his encyclical Mirari Vos speaking of the Church “Therefore, it is obviously absurd and injurious to propose a certain “restoration and regeneration” for her as though necessary for her safety and growth, as if she could be considered subject to defect or obscuration or other misfortune. Indeed these authors of novelties consider that a “foundation may be laid of a new human institution,” and what Cyprian detested may come to pass, that what was a divine thing “may become a human church.”

[@crushtheserpent]

Michael Davies wrote to one of the so-called 'Protestant observers' of the reconstruction of the Liturgy to ask them if they were just that... observers. His reply was that they played a very active role, were given all the documents and had a great deal of input into the discussions. A direct contradiction to the statement Bugnini made saying they were "just observers".

[@odiseats5857]

I’m glad they cleaned the chalkboard

[@enghockchew3517]

My awesome Catholic faith...responsibility, rights, freedom, truth, consequences...etc which of these are not relevant to any human.person whether he or she is a catholic? Thus when a person embraces Catholic faith he/she can be informed about truth and disposes himself/herself to grace and thus enable all these deep desiring human attributes to its fulfilment.

[@oliverclark5604]

Eng Hock chew, the "thinking" in reason is "catholic" as is separately the 'having faith'. The thinking reason-having faith inseparability and qualitative equality exercise of an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of applications of: (a) thinking ensuring procreation gift role of helpers of the family within the family, (b) having faith in insuring need of union of identities of family members of consecrated marriages, is outside the "Catholic" or catholic group as of family members of consecrated marriages, both male female vowed to God and celibate, such as Pope Francis' as a Jesuit order religious, vowed to man in Christ. This absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of applications of ensuring procreation gift and insuring union need was exercised by Pope Francis on 10 June 2021 in the matters of: (a) Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other Vatican state citizens/employees alleged embezzlement of ensuring procreation gift role charity donations by helpers of the family within the family, (b) the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian state citizens' Parliament as an unacceptable risk of fraud on insuring need of union of identities of family members of consecrated marriages, both male female vowed to God and celibate vowed to man in Christ, in Pope Francis correcting Vatican Council 11's errors in its teaching, degrees and declarations pertaining to the family, including teaching of the magisterium and Vatican Council 11 of Pope St Paul V1's Encyclical Letter "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12 omitting 'qualitatively equal' with "inseparable" for "union and procreation" in marriage.

[@devoradamaris]

🕊🌎🕊🕊sharing🫂thankYOU

[@oliverclark5604]

"Our common humanity" to be "common" as singular of each identity of family members in need of union with one or more other family member having faith identities must also be common as procreation gift thinking role of helpers of the family within the family as inseparable and qualitatively equal with singular which in keeping or allowing this in uncertainty is belief. Mary, mother of Jesus, as a family member as recorded at Luke 1: 29&34: 'in uncertainty' "greatly troubled ... considered" as thinking simultaneously with v.38: "let it be to me", as having faith, v. 45: "believed", is the reference point for Pope Francis in his correcting errors in Vatican Council 11 particularly on the family at: LG, 1964, 11 as can and must not "be regarded as the domestic church", OT, 1965, 10, virginity consecrated to Christ can and must not be purported presumed of "greater excellence" than consecrated male female marriage, GE, 1965, 3, can and must be corrected to 'those others as helpers of the family who entrust their gift of education to the family members' and not purported presumed: "... those others to whom the parents entrust some share in their duty to educate...".

[@carmel8734]

The Blessed Virgin Mary at La Salette: "Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist." Clearly a warning from Our Lady. Hello Vatican II!