Outlaw Rogue Complete Preview - Legion

[@joezeb8014]

dont start holding back because people preach, just blast the class like you normally do!

[@DiasTAPvP]

To be honest I've been trying out Outlaw Rogue on the Beta (mostly 110 PvP, but I did do some leveling) and I'm finding the spec really fun even though I -heavily- dislike Combat Rogue. May even make the Outlaw rogue my main spec in Legion it's that fun*, so count on me blasting that class :P. *Specifically I enjoy it in PvP of course, and probably won't be doing raids anyway at max level when the game comes out. Maybe try it out in the Beta at some point.

[@General12th]

This class deserves to be blasted. It's only filthy casual scum that would ever enjoy this piece of shit. Oh, wait, that's the only kind of person who's still playing this game. No wonder everything sucks now.

[@lloydno966]

Oh yes, random buffs you can keep redoing and get a good spread maybe once a minute, terrible casual mode. Reliable button you can only push once a minute for same sort of effects, ultra awesome hardcore raid mode.

[@Omgbbqhaxlolol]

+Jordan Shank Jesus dude what the hell O.o Not necessary. It's not only casuals who play the game anymore, but its the casuals that bliz was listening to, THAT's why it sucks now. By the way things are turning it looks like legion is going to be a nice booster to the game. But if people would stop giving up on the game it wouldn't go to shit. The people who want things changed for the better, don't say anything. And then aaaaall the casuals say "Oooh this would be cool" which we all know isn't necessarily the best thing. No one was speaking up, that's why the game started to suck. And i think bliz has recognized this after the piece of shit that is WoD. Now, i'm not trying to sound like a die hard bliz fan, i'm extremely disappointed with the way the game went, but i'm holding out hope for Legion. I also think that with the Warcraft movie coming and then the launch of legion, we're gonna see an influx of new players, or returning players. So maybe, just maaaaybe, the game will get a good jump start.

[@General12th]

Kyle Posey And maybe, just maaaaybe, you're too optimistic for your own good. Mark my words, you WILL be horribly disappointed.

[@NineTailedGamer]

Uh, Preach... at 5:27 you say that the buffs for Roll the Bones are in the background but they're not...

[@Seehoo]

Pruned!

[@arasoi8607]

Yeah i was searching for the as well.

[@NineTailedGamer]

but how can i fuck a horse when i already have a rake in my butt?

[@arasoi8607]

i dont understand why would anyone say shit like that.

[@Twistedman2000]

WARNING : if you scroll down salt lvls are high

[@General12th]

Not high enough. I've never seen such shit on screen before.

[@joshlynn6195]

You warned me, and I didn't listen. By the way, what's the biggest pepper shaker you guys have?

[@inevitability6587]

Though I may be in the minority, I thank you for your realism. I'd rather hear a negative honest opinion over a positive false one every time. Moonkin for life!

[@marxman6896]

Roll the Bones sounds like everything that is wrong with modern WoW spec design distilled down into a single spell. RNG on top of RNG? Yep. Wild swings in player power? Yep. ZERO player control over their own performance? YEP!

[@Xfacta12482]

Plenty of specs where player has control, so I think some specs more RNG based totally fine

[@evolocity5]

I fucking love this playstyle. lol. fuck your competitive shit peasant.

[@CaptainOachkatzl]

you can replace the rng factor with a talent. i won't spec it because its just so much more fun with the dice. :D

[@hatesossa]

DUDE, why u H8 boomkin? is da best... m8, m8. u dun even know what u talkin about m8. pvp doh? duel me doh!

[@Marijuanajoseph]

MOVE m8. fukin MOVE

[@Boxkar24]

M8 vinegar stroke m8!

[@MISTER_CEO]

M8 im 2500 DUEL ME BRO im proper PEE VEE PEE yeah?!

[@SK4R1337]

MOVE M8

[@Okenpo]

I've started to pvp on my boomie and I found that it's incredibly hard to 1v1 against one. Especially for melee.

[@Jackallleo]

Holy shit roll the bones is horrible. It's the Dr Boom of wow, lol

[@Jackallleo]

***** boom decides games based on RNG, does it make more sense now

[@Oskuu]

Get out.

[@jamesoneal6595]

but Dr Boom ranges from pretty good to godlike depending on the situation, it is almost never bad.

[@sebastianskoglund8101]

I'm pretty sure Dr Boom is the Dr Boom of wow

[@Jackallleo]

Sebastian Skoglund okay true

[@pwnedsocks]

When I get Jolly Roger I pop curse of the dreadblades, it makes it worth while.

[@Perid0tStar]

Me too :) you can even use adrenaline rush to use it that much faster and go Ham and Eggs on the monsters lol (Im only 102 on the beta but loving it)

[@jacobwiren8142]

yeah, cant you just go in, pop your artifact first, spam dice until you're a badass, and then continue to be a badass for the next 45 seconds? I dont understand how this spec doesnt have consistency. Jolly Roger is obviously meant to be used with your artifact.

[@shinkicker404]

They seem to have changed Roll the Bones a bit too, was just playing around a little bit and noticed Jolly Roger was changed to give Saber Slash a 40% increased chance on striking twice, rather than the 3%/sec HP Regeneration. Grand Melee has Attack Speed by 40% and 20% Leech. Not sure if others were changed.

[@chadddada]

Trying to decide if I am going to try and freshen up the game by swapping away from tanking, ranged dps and go back to melee dps. Have been doing war tank and warlock ranged. Rogue is on my short list of things that I may swap over to and haven't played since WOLTK much. Also on the short list are druid (because they have 4 specs and I haven't mained druid before), mage or enh/ele shaman. Thanks for the review Preacher man.

[@lolzomgz1337]

If there was a way to 'Lock in' your current buff for an amount of time that may be better. 'Roll the bones' only ever uses one combo point and gives you a buff for a short while, but another spell 'locks it in' for an extended amount of time depending on the combo points used?

[@SnarkyLesbian]

A slight headsup concerning the Cursed Dreadblades, as of the latest Beta Build (26.05.2016) the Dreadblades will work with Pistol Shot as well.

[@Foretelling]

5:25 Am I stupid or are there no buffs being shown?

[@davornegehtslang]

did you forget to put in the rtb buffs ? or am I not getting it :p

[@awaken6760]

Do you think a way to make RTB better would be if the buff didn't overtake one another everytime you roll? Like if you get Jolly Roger, the next time you roll, you get Broadsides, but KEEP the previous Jolly Roger. So you can roll however many times until you get all 6 buffs, instead of praying to RNG that it happens?

[@just0mii0vids]

Thats basicly what I was thinking. They will prob have to nerf the buffs a bit but it would atleast make the class more consistent.

[@eonarose]

I was thinking each combo point would just give you a different buff but each time you use it you have a 50% chance to get all of them.

[@mastercats]

looking at the video you do keep the previous buff.

[@just0mii0vids]

Garry Leonard you actually don't the times I think the times he did he got lucky with his roll. lets say he used it and he got jolly roger. the second time he used it he got jolly roger and true bearing.

[@mastercats]

Sir Brachidios yeah I got confused by the passive buff he was getting

[@zookwick]

Whenever a new expansion hits I usually play up until max level and then for another month or so on max level, then I quit and stay away from WoW until the next expansion comes out. Rinse and repeat. So for me the Outlaw Rogue actually looks like a lot of fun. I'll probably roll one of those! #newbie4ever

[@General12th]

You are such a filthy casual.

[@joshlynn6195]

+Jordan Shank crawl back to your forum, beast

[@OriginalMokthol]

It looks like the spec needs a lot work still, and you're right, it doesn't look like they really delved deeply into the Pirate theme for the spec. But based on what I'm seeing, it looks like the idea of the gameplay/rotation is meant to switch up based on what you get from Role the Bones. It looks like the ideal rotation would be, Role the Bones at about 6 combo points, and then based on the buffs that you got, you would prioritize different skills/rotation. Unfortunately it doesn't look like that's what they've got here. Role the Bones sounds like a really cool skill though, but it's a little too random the way it is now, would be best to guarantee more buffs the more combo points a player uses. 1-2 Combo points, you will always get at least 1 buff. 3-4 combo points, you will always get at least 2 buffs. 5-6 combo points you will always get at least 3 buffs. That way a player is more likely to get a beneficial buff from using 6 combo points. I've not really played Rogues before, but it could be pretty cool. What do others think? If Role the Bones had more guaranteed value, and if at least one build for the spec was to change up the rotation based on the buffs you got from it?

[@jamesoneal6595]

Could be viable in terms of PVE if the buffs of Roll the bones pay off. In terms of theory crafting the best way to approach this ability will probably be an add on that tells you to go for the next finishing move as soon as possible if you get less than let's say 2 buffs (perhaps 3) or one of them is Jolly Roger etc.

[@JohnnyFiction]

I understand your frustrations, but you're usually far more prepared than this, my friend. The spec has it's issues and I hope they fix a bunch of things, like refining the RNG process, making Jolly Roger a finisher or a separate cooldown, or yes putting in an actual ship instead of cannonballs raining in from nowhere, but you clearly have no idea how it all synergizes. (also pistol shot Does actually activate the Artifact Weapon, but I don't blame you since that was a recent change in the past few days since you made this video) You touched on the fact that True Bearing lowers your cooldowns fantastically, and when paired with your artifact weapon and other cooldowns, you can do a LOT more than just spam Death from Above (which is awesome). The damage spikes are incredible and can surpass most classes in the game in burst even with Just True Bearing being up with Deeper Stratagem. Sure the RNG hampers you being able to do this as much as a hardcore playing might dream of, but you're forgetting that getting to 5 (or 6) combo points isn't that hard to do anymore, so hitting the dice over and over isn't the end of the world. Plus when you finally get TB (or fingers crossed all the buffs) you become a living god! Then it's all about hitting as many cooldowns as possible, dealing unthinkable amounts of damage. It basically becomes it's own mini-game, much like the Shadow Priest. Give it another shot, this time don't convince yourself the dps is low and do the numbers yourself. You'll see it's way more fun than you describe in the video. Still, keep up the great work.

[@harlequin0823]

No random combat points? Are you sure? I swore we have a passive now that has a chance to create a combo point on auto attack. That passive alone was driving me crazy. Or am I just crazy?

[@mcgenius99]

looks interesting it is like your playstyle changes depending on the roll the bones proc and procs or maybe just roll when the previous buffs are about to fall off...dunno can't test i don't have beta access of course

[@MrTheSisco]

there's only 2 ways that the HoT buff is useful, if you're out soloing and want to just keep going with some good momentum or when it pops up and you have that sustain you use dread blades and counter the HP cost with the HoT. also an argument could be made that healers don't need to top you up from minor splash which happens a lot in instances as you will be healing yourself, but i'd still rather have more control

[@mc15cp]

Does raise eyebrows on what choice Slice and Dice could be swapped with

[@TheGraveyarder]

i expected grappling hook to be like a spiderman moonswing so it would like theyre swinging/boarding into another ship

[@tordb]

Soooo...Outlaw Rogues are now Witch Hunters from Warhammer?

[@Ishmachiah]

Pretty much this, and Survival Hunters are the poor man's White Lions.

[@deacon19899]

I'm confused on what you said about Blade Flurry. The tooltip says the same thing as in WoD? Good preview I do like the look of Outlaw.

[@deacon19899]

The removal of multistrike I suppose

[@thedarkazrael]

I'll been playing Outlaw and I think it's the best spec so far for rogues, when Ambush can only be used in Outlaw. For Subetley Shadow Dance is now 3 secs(5 sec with a talent point). Hemorhage, Rupture, Poisons, and Envemom were moved Assassination. I never knew anyone that used the Assassination spec in live. I guess they are trying to make so people can use it a little bit more.

[@samuelstratman4906]

With something so RNG based I don't know why they didn't have a talent row specifically to balance the RNG. A row where you always get 1 out of 2 of the buffs. Like one talent having True Bearing or Jolly Roger, another having Shark Waters or Grand Melee, and the third having Buried Treasure or Broadside. Call all the talents Rig the Dice:[Something fitting here]

[@LazyMonkey24]

Do u think there is a way to make it more consistant, as somebody who doesnt play rogue my random thoughts couldnt think of anything better than forcing 2 buffs min so getting jolly roger doesnt hurt as much, maybe a small base nerf to balance out not being able to get 1, or maybe jolly roger cant be rolled alone, idk, feels like that much rng is stupid unless they have done this to other classes too. Well aware they will only change it how they see fit but i like speculation on little things.

[@okerbel]

They have thankfully changed Jolly Roger also! So if you change your rotation based on buffs you get (and, ofcourse, change the cooldowns you pop) it's actually pretty good and fun!

[@MrLiiso]

I definitely see your point on the negative of it on raids, that said, the challenge excites me. Riddled with RNG yes but effectively you can have your entire rotation and priority change every 12 secs. That might be a little over optimistic. It would be nice if they made it where more combo points used while rolling the bones gave a higher chance to get better buffs.

[@savangray]

Maybe they could make roll the bones more consistent by making it always give all the buffs but at different intensities? So you will get different amounts of heal, crit, energy regen etc.? That way it will always affect your game play in a sort of consistent way but will still have random moments where you get the best version of all the buffs at once. I don't know it probably wouldn't work.

[@barryausten3578]

I have not played the Alpha or Beta. However, I would like the Outlaw Rogue to have to decide where to spend their CPs. I think that more CPs should result in more buffs for RtB, NOT increased duration. The standard duration could be super low, though, so you have to decide - do I always spend my CPs on increased buffs, but barely use Run Through, or do I only use 1-2 Cps on RtB and get much more RT usage?

[@nkish]

Maybe Resto Druid next? With an update on the Artifact quest line since it was updated to actually include healing (which it didn't since you did your video on it)? Thanks.

[@wowantonlavey]

what would iggle piggle play

[@Perid0tStar]

Probably a warlock since he's the destroyer of worlds and stuff xD

[@will4118]

When you say that you are weak in Legion and that you'll get battered, do you mean this spec, rogue, or all classes in general? 3:35

[@coolst0rybruh]

One of the best specs if you are not doing harcore raiding....WHICH 99% OF WOW POPULATION IS NOT DOING!

[@PureHarry]

no shut up it sucks. a class based around RNG is terrible.

[@ech0six]

Opinion. I and many others find it fun AND viable.

[@inevitability6587]

If blizz only wanted to make specs for non-raiders they wouldn't spend so much time complicating them. Hell, if everyone was a scrub they might even be able to get away with 3-4 abilities per class that all did the same thing but just looked different.

[@joh80]

No... It's really not.

[@PureHarry]

Inevitability that sounds Terrible

[@TenshizakiN008]

I enjoy how you approached the changes and admitted it was fun, just random and obviously not the best choice for those who like control in their numbers. Honestly, I would play this. On an alt, with friends, busting shit up while laughing at a bad roll.

[@MrMortadelas]

I can see two problems with this spec. First, you can't handle the important things in raids any more (doing ships in Maidens, belt on Blackfuse etc) cause you might roll the wrong bones and wipe every one. Secondly, arena......turtling until 6 buffs from roll the bones and then win by OPness.

[@huzzabuzatrolol]

Having marked for death and anticipation at the same time is going to allow some really good rogues to do some crazy shit

[@Puipelo]

Roll the bones would be so awesome if there was an option to set it to always proc 1 effect of your choice. (and of course you could keep it as random if you wanted to)

[@benderbg]

This spec could have an ability (with a short cooldown) that extends the dice buff with lowest remaining timer.

[@HaseoOkami]

Thing about Outlaws. They aren't all pirates... I honestly thought of Outlaw being a kind of Highwayman thing or a Bandit. With the Dreadblades adding to the more piratey aspects of it. that's my opinion though. It looks fun, probably won't take it too seriously but will definitely play it.

[@gamingon9956]

So... this new spec is the Witch Hunter from WAR online?

[@rantsuu]

I only started playing WoW last fall, 2015, and my main guy was a combat rogue and I loved it. Atm I don't know how I feel about these changes... But I do love rogues, guess I'm gonna go see what subtlety has to offer

[@Chordiacal]

What if you were to use dreadblades and just spam roll the bones until you get 6?

[@Rakkis97]

I'm not staring at the ability right now so I can't be sure, but I'm almost entirely sure Blade Flurry is unchanged, contrary to what he said. It does 35% of damage dealt to all nearby enemies and reduces energy regeneration by 20%.

[@haraxA]

Dont you need more combo points to get 3+ buffs? I think thers guy who explains how it works, it dosnt say on tooltip

[@sparky7327]

what do you guys think about going [Cursed draedblades] into roll the bones till 4buffs+? would the cd of the draedblades be reduced too i wonder with True Bearing? i dont have beta to test, but if thats possible i see this beeing a very fast paced spec.

[@00trustno1]

Wait what? Blade Flurry is exactly the same as it is now on live. Edit: additionally Curse of the Dreadblades procs off of Pistol Shot too.

[@d0odle672]

I think that you should make a quick update video about outlaw rogue, I played it on ptr and Jolly Roger was changed and I actually think it is a pretty good spec right now. At least for pvp...

[@nahmi7707]

They changed the Cures of the Dreadblade thing today. Pistol shot gives you 5 combo points while it is up now too lol. Also they made some changes that you suggested in your Warlock video to warlocks. Such as Soul harvest.

[@kervonpatrick6802]

Last couple videos have had some audio sync issues.

[@gredarthd3674]

Hey Preach just wondered which of the other Rogue spec's you think is best? Never really liked combat and this doesn't look any better lol so which of other two do you think is best ?? Thanks in advance

[@RonOnTheWay]

Preach.... wouldn't some high end guilds use outlaw because of the upside potentially being they drop a progression boss? (ie they try and reset till the rogue gets lucky).

[@Geothunder]

They wouldn't need to, when there are 30+ other specs that have reliable DPS, and Shadow priest that are deliberately overpowered with a talent like "Surrender to Madness".

[@RonOnTheWay]

+Captain Rel unless they can figure a way to abuse it.

[@AdrasAdraki]

preach do you thing that from now on can the classes change again? i mean changes that will make the classes better more fun and more viable ?

[@warilban]

How to make roll the bones better. Reduce the numbers on all buffs by 1/4 or 1/5 (however many diff buffs there are). Roll the bones now have a 100% to proc all of the now mini'd buffs.

[@fuelmixer947]

Preach, blade flurry is the same in wod as it is in the vid. 35% of damage to other enemies. just lettin you know

[@Kraisd]

The spec would work if there was a cd to force all 6 buffs. It would even fit the pirate/rogue theme. Rogues don't rely on luck, they make thier own. Even if it was a 5 min CD it would make the spec way less RNG based, or you could at least get the bonus when you really need it.

[@maxpheby7287]

Have any of the classes been improved over the Wod/Legion period? I dont mean to sound glib but some times less is less. Its like some of the classes are being changed out of spite ( Arms for e.g). Maybe this is revenge from the remaining dev's for scrapping titan.

[@kalibos]

Marksmanship looks considerably better... which is no massive feat, because all the hunter specs were complete shit in WoD.

[@Rybat117]

Seems like it'd be pretty fun to play if you're running world quests or something, but I really can't imagine this working at all in a raid as you said. They could at least cut the frequency that Jolly Roger pops up way down. I'll definitely try this out though, and it doesn't seem as bad as people are saying.

[@rickyfriis]

RIP Combat 2004 - 2016

[@AGrumpyWitch]

I absolutely love Roll the Bones. Having random buffs to track forces me to pay attention and use those buffs as efficiently as possible. Jolly Roger procs often enough that it really helps your survivability when questing. When you proc all the buffs at once, you're like "ALRIGHT LADS IT'S GO TIME!" I do agree it will take your dps out of your control in raids though. But Blizz has you covered. If you're raiding, or you just don't like Roll the Bones, you can use a talent point to swap it out for Slice and Dice. Problem solved. Love it!

[@SalvLav]

lol...

[@terriblegamers2213]

would be nice if the artifact tree allowed you to "weight the dice" so to speak to give a better chance for certain buffs to be rolled

[@violetbliss4399]

Amazingly, I feel like this is the best combat rogue iteration since the game was released. It finally has flavour, it looks good and feels fairly smooth to play. Best of all, it no longer has the most boring skill in the game, slice and dice.

[@hans-willemdeman201]

In my opinion the roll the bones should be a bit stronger by itself Most of the true dps buffs should be baked in standard like true bearings and crit increase. Next to that you should get a (or randomly multiple) trivial buffs like HoT or attack speed increase. That way the buff is still strong regardless of rng and there is still a rng element to make it unique

[@chrissypnz]

Maybe they should make "Jolly Roger" a toggleable ability like Righteous Furry. If you want to have the chance of rolling it (for leveling or whatever), then toggling it on will add it to the pool of buffs you can get, and if you don't want it because you're doing something more serious like raiding then you can toggle it off.

[@Mochachocakon]

I think an easy fix would be to remove Jolly Roger from the buff pool and change the artifact ability to increase damage taken as opposed to a self dot because that's the only reason it's there.

[@cooltv2776]

I think this looks like a lot of fun, in the crazy sense of the word if you define "fun" as having complete control of your character at all times (which I understand) then this spec looks like a nightmare

[@chasedogman2032]

They should either make True Bearing proc every time when you roll a double ore more, or make it proc every time. It's literally too good and causes you to need to fish for it to be viable. Other than that, numbers tuning, and slice and dice being a 100 talent (lol), I think the spec is a fine start to a new concept.

[@stevencampbell8361]

So... why does a level 15 talent claim your blades are cursed... when you don't get the cursed blades until Legion content? Are there any changes to the lower leveling process that I don't know about?

[@ezkiegaming]

They heard you apparently. CotDB now procs from pistol shot too.

[@GetsugaSengan]

the way you talk about roll the bones reminds me of how i feel about the rng of fury bloodthirst crits. could sometimes go 6 or 7 times without critting and missing out on 40%+ damage during that entire time.

[@AlValentyn]

Personally I hope they get more work done on Subtlety. It really should have a stealth bar for Shadow Dance for start. Master of Shadows should be baseline again, and the AoE functions should not rely on two legendary items. Get rid of weapon master and alacrity and add those two legendary items' procs in as talents instead. The removal of Find Weakness and having it also added to a legendary is weird as well.

[@Cendude308]

100% respect for preach tells it like it is and I 100% value his opinion not gonna stop me playing outlaw as a main but cannot fault it's excellent knowledge and dedication 10/10 preach keep it up buddy

[@mohammadmezher8987]

oh let me turn sounds on for you guys *plays MoPs nightmare music theme* /crowdcowers

[@MegaSmashbang]

Hi preach we gonna get a survival overview?

[@GraemeWatt]

I don't see why they don't make it so that rather than overwriting your current buffs when you re-roll the bones it simply give you the new ones or updates the duration on the current one if you get the same roll. At least that way you could work your way up to having all 6 buffs going at once. May have to nerf them for that but it would make it less random and more consistent.

[@wowstonecrab]

Didn't see any buffs in the background?

[@joshferris171]

Seems kind of similar to the old fire mage with combustion. It's going to be either really good or really bad. Except with significantly less control.

[@Faforino]

You can play all specs with just your mouse, what are you on about?

[@TacTiCsNatshep]

quality video as always @preachgaming! i like the randomness of this spec however i agree with you on how hit and miss it will be for top progression players who enjoy consistency

[@WeAllBeBros]

Blade Flurry does the exact same thing on live and has for all of WoD

[@ameliaroberts4732]

Hey Preach, I love the video and am fairly saddened to see Combat rogue going down this path. I felt like I needed to point out though that Blade Flurry has dealt 35% damage to surrounding enemies for at least all of WoD, i'm looking now at my combat rogue's Blade Flurry and the text is the exact same except that the Legion one says "Melee attacks" instead of "Attacks"

[@drak_gaming9899]

Well done sir, I really appreciate how you did your best to stay nonbias. It was a very informative video.

[@Evtng]

preach how do you feel about this spec with jolly Roger being changed?

[@Finndl101]

But why would these blades affect your pistol? Suddenly blunderbuss. What?

[@kennethspruce7157]

They changed RtB in ptr. Jolly Rodger now gives a 40% chance for SS to strike another target. Much gooder now.

[@somethingsomethingelse1255]

they should replace slice and dice with something called "loaded dice" so you can pick a single buff from RTB which you'll only get that one buff(which will be able to be changed of course but you still only get one buff)

[@BigIsaac91]

Got any estimation on when you'll get to Holy Paladin?

[@ToraxReborn]

Grappling hook looks amazing for escapes in bg's..

[@HolyTerraMissionary]

But that's the exact same blade flurry tooltip as on live in WoD, why are you saying it's noticeably weaker? What am I missing?

[@mattoleary811]

Outlaw no longer has poisons(same as sub in legion too) so thats probably why he thinks it does less damage.

[@HolyTerraMissionary]

Ah yeah that would make sense, thanks.

[@Pow3rFr34K]

Preacher, what if they removed the randomness of Roll the Bones and made it a talent instead of Slice 'N Dice(and make SnD baseline again)? By remove the randomness I mean it gives all of the buffs but at a lower rate, something like 15% AS, 15% Crit, 15% Energy regen, 1s CDR per combo point spent instead of 3 and keep the 1extra CP(or remove it, who knows) and keeping/removing Jolly Roger which I, honestly, think that it shouldn't be tied to a DPS spell in the first place. If SnD keeps the 100% AS I can see the Roll the Bones change as a steady alternative for end-game, both raiding, PvP-ing and just doing outdoor content. I know this isn't as exciting as getting the 6 buffs from the current version but at least it's a reliable DPS increase for sustained damage and it can easily compete with DFA and MFD since they cater to AoE more than single target(and are still good single target).

[@MEDOBOLT]

i love how they changed jolly in ptr feels so much better this early outlaw

[@nestrior7733]

I don't like it either. Gear will still make you pump out more Roll the Bones which means that the good buffs are more common, but it's still inconsistent. If there were seperate abilities for the buffs, gear would immensive affect how many one can have up and make it even a bit situational, but like this it's just a lucky draw and will stay behind its full potential. Granted, you might have let's say 6 minutes of it in a 10min raid encounter with good gear, but at the end of Legion you will still be stuck with these 6 minutes (maybe a bit more) while the other classes can utilize it pretty much the entire fight. For me the Outlaw Rogue will either be an underachiever or a bomb. It may get better as the expansion progresses, but I will prefer more consistent classes for my alts.

[@ianolivier9908]

I've never mained a rouge before and probably won't in legion, but this spec does look like it does have some fun and wacky moments if rngesus is on your side, but like you said for consistent damage this is not a good raid spec.

[@IntrospectivePest]

I think this stuff is good for the game, but only if every spec comes with a disclaimer saying the level of skill it would take to play the class. A RNG spec like this sounds like a lot of fun for people that just play the game 2-3 hours per week in either dungeons or normal raiding with their buddies, where a combat rogue can pull out massive DPS on a random attempt and feel like king kong. But a mythic guild will know better than to take one of those specs since it is far too unreliable for serious raiding.

[@aces6123]

Did the talents help the spec at all in adding depth and fun?

[@フフウェイ]

I could see myself having a *lot* of fun with this in pvp. Or it could just drive me nuts, I guess I'll have to try it to know, but I'm so excited.

[@megustaq8]

any idea why is it 480p at max quality?