I Answer Your Questions About Shock Value [+ Fox's Response!]

Our KZbin series called Shock Value, where we blind tested 5 sets of off road shocks on a Toyota Tacoma got a lot of people's curiousity piqued. There were hundreds of comments, so we went through and tried to answer as many of the big ones as we could!
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[@parthluhar4469]

Check these ones: Eibach stage 1, Bilstein 5100, Bilstein 6112/5160, TRD Pro, Dobinsons, OME, Ironman.

[@sixteenornumber]

I really want to see you throw stock TRD PRO shocks in the mix

[@joshuagray5094]

I had them, they were way too soft. I got tons of sag and used my bump stops too much

[@yzrippin]

​@@joshuagray5094have you felt the stock TRD off-road blue and yellow Bilstein shocks I also feel like they are far too soft I was bottoming out doing 75 on the freeway hitting bumps Granite I was completely fully loaded still don't think that should be happening

[@joshuagray5094]

@@yzrippin are you talking about the stock trd off road bilsteins or the 6112’s? I have the 6112’s

[@joshuagray5094]

@@yzrippin I haven’t. But it def sounds too soft. Bump stops will help, so will stiffer springs or coils for the rear ebd

[@yzrippin]

@@joshuagray5094 toataly stock 2019 trd off road 4x4.

[@Glenn.Cooper]

Shock value was a GREAT series and very original. I really would look forward to that for mid-grade packages.

[@Absolute_Unit135]

It would be awesome to see the Ironman 4x4 Foam Cell Pro shocks/leaf packs tested. They’re affordable, their design is pretty different to other brands, and I think it would be great to see their performance claims tested. Love what you guys are doing 🛻💨

[@jonc7371]

I’ve seen so many Australian Toyota people run Ironman that I think it’s gonna be what I go with next. I have bilsteins currently and they are too rough for daily driving with no added weight

[@bernielawson5499]

Great video! Ironman Pro Foam Cell

[@Absolute_Unit135]

@@jonc7371 I got the foam fell pros with the heaviest front coils and leaf packs for my 3rd gen and don’t run any weight besides tools in the bed. Truck rides awesome. It feels a bit over sprung in the front without any weight there, but honestly it still feels way more comfortable than other buddies’ Fox shocks. Plus I don’t run the sway bar anymore, and it helps keep the truck more planted with the stiffer spring weight in the front

[@zerohero187]

I also would be curious to see the foam cell pros tested. I ordered them for my fj about 6 weeks ago but they've been on backorder. Hoping to get them soon. The wait is killing me.

[@chunkiebudgetplayz7026]

How about the ironman foam cell? I just got a set installed and would love to see if your opinion goes with mine. Great job. Loved the series and waiting to see more.

[@Lozano3313]

Eibach stage 2 pro kit!!!! Is a must

[@traeberkeley3902]

Your next series should include Ironman 4x4, Old Man Emu, Dobinsons, and maybe something from Rough Country? Those are the brands I'd like to see. I think you guys were quite harsh on Fox, but fair. Great series. Thank you for all that information.

[@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus]

How could they be "harsh on Fox"? They didn't know what they were testing. They just gave their opinions about whatever mystery shock was on the vehicle

[@JohnPho-go1ln]

Love to see Dobinsons IMS tested. Love the series great work.

[@jakepotts7812]

I'd love to see you guys test Dobinsons suspension.

[@Tdezayo]

The original series was awesome. Would definitely like to see the fox 2.0 vs icon stage 1/2 vs elka 2.0 vs bilstein 6112/5160 vs TRD pro fox. Personally eying the Elka 2.0s for my tacoma 👍

[@andrewl1765]

Loved the series, I think the comment translated as "I have an overinflated opinion of myself and disagree with what you said about one of the brands that I like"! 😆

[@pinem56]

Add that that the commenter was likely completely baked when typing up the comment, and it all then makes sense.

[@johnnyboi22]

Please do the Dobinsons IMS!

[@akwen978]

Please add the Dobinsons MRR & Ironman Foam Cell Pro to that list of shocks to test.

[@BenBinnebose]

Ironman4x4 foam cell! Been on this for 20k miles and they've been much better than stock and have not had issues. Would love to see how they compete.

[@henrymix3104]

If you guys could review the Iron Man Foam Cell Pro shocks that would be great! It would be interesting to see how they stack up

[@bergenfamily1314]

Would love to see some Dobinson IMS setups!

[@waxifari5528]

Much respect - stick to your guns. As much as your testing can be panned as anecdotal its the most controlled and scientific comparison I have ever found. Loving it.

[@chrisnelson3802]

Cool series keep it up, I have 5.5 years on my foxes with plenty of abuse and no issues. However I’m running 14” 650# and custom valving with an LT set up. Time is the true test of parts

[@chrismumford7295]

Love what you guys are doing! It’s so good for the consumer to watch this before purchasing shocks.

[@pappajag]

Loved the shock series. Looking forward to the next series😊

[@EPiQ_cR]

Do a collab with @tinkerersadventure for the budget/mid testing! His engineering evaluation on the suspension measurements were really interesting and would only add to your blind-testing. Bilstein 5100, Bilstein 6112, OME 2-3", Dobinsons, Eibach Pro-Truck Stage 1, Fox 2.0 Performance series.

[@martinfpss]

Would love to see you guys include Dobinsons in your next test. They make a great product in that mid range price point.

[@paulthompson661]

I wanna see eibach stage 2r! It’s supposed to be the best 2.0 system you can buy for the taco right now!

[@cbar2222]

I have the Fox performance elites front and back on my Tacoma and they’ve been phenomenal. Being able to find tune them with the DSC’s on the fly is great. I got them from Accutune off-road and they do their own tuning on the shocks when you buy them based on your driving style and added weight. I had a bilstein 6112/5160 setup before the Fox performance elites. I probably would say that the Foxs aren’t worth the extra ~5 grand but the performance is definitely massively better. Better compression and I bottom out about 90% less. I wish there was some rebound control as they can top out kind of hard, but not as bad as the bilsteins.

[@JacobTemple_CE]

Just found your channel and man lots of good stuff here. Can't wait to see where you guys go next and test out future suspension systems

[@ChookChasersMX]

Please test the Ironman foam cell pros!

[@remembermorrison]

Great series guys! I love my 6112s and look forward to the mid budget test. I'd love to see you guys include 4600s, 5100s, and 6112s.

[@nikbounthavilay1313]

Oh mannn.. I can’t wait. I have the 6112s on mine and would love to hear how it can be improved if it can. Awesome job at being so honest, that’s something really hard to come by now a days. Keep up the great work Overlandoutfitters!!!

[@jesse818]

Great series guys. I saw the previous video and it would be nice know which shocks perform well with car actually loaded weights. Most of us upgrade or lift the car so we can go places with heavy load of accessories.

[@KyleXSki]

Great opinion piece and follow up. Looking forward to a budget review and maybe we could see something on the 4r/GX/FJs? May not be too different then a taco, but with the coil spring I'm sure there's something there.

[@kylemiyamoto3896]

Thanks for this series! Would love to see - 6112 vs icon stage 1!

[@adih2367]

Awesome series. Definitely would like to see it done on some stuff that 95% of weekend warriors use. Like 6112/5160, Eibach 2.0’s, Dobinsons IMS just to name a few. These all seem very close in the price range. Thanks!

[@paulthompson661]

Yes agree

[@UrbanOpsOffRoad]

Lmao the last comment is a gem 🤣 keep up the good work! Next year bring stickers to KOH!

[@randolphbeltz6787]

love the straight, no BS, content of your channel ! So, in your opinion, when do you really believe that shocks should be replaced on vehicles that love to have fun, but aren't abused (not towing anything wicked heavy, rock crawling etc). Some of your reviewed product/upgrades are north of $2K.... I prefer to ware out my current equipment before just replacing stuff (I have a wife and she controls the checkbook if you get my drift). Keep up the great work....

[@VBmike2100]

So glad you guys did this. I would love to see the same test for the next gen Tacoma and Land Cruiser

[@SidWray]

Subscribed to both channels. Looking forward to the mid-range series! I have a stock f-150 FX4 and I’m debating between 6112-5160 and Fox 2.0s. I would sacrifice handling, to ensure it’s not too harsh.

[@amadeiusc657]

The Dobinson IMS would be great to see.

[@lujano099]

I just bumped into your channel and you have great content! Easy choice to subscribe.

[@mikeadamski4958]

Dobinsons MRR and IMS! One is high end, one is mid. Throw 'em both in the next test.

[@davidk6148]

Iron man 4x4 suspension

[@Telamonster2]

I’d love for you to try out the Ironman Foam Cell Pro setup. It uses a non-pressurized shock, and downstream of that a lot of other differences, so I’m curious what the differences are.

[@scotchbrite1241]

Great entertaining content! Please add the stock OEM trd pro shocks in the line up. Not sure if those shocks qualify as low or mid budget since OEM parts are always expensive. 🤷‍♂️ Can’t wait for the adjuster series as well.

[@markuyeda1987]

Would love to see a video on the Rough Country. I have the Vertex set on my Tundra that I offroad with and as much as people trash them, I've had nothing but a solid experience. In a way I'm doing my own test as there is little information on them.

[@snivesz32]

Sounds like you should test the Fox 2.5 Pros to see the difference.

[@jf11204]

Here to comment to help the channel, we need more shock series letssss gooooo

[@nealenns7869]

Please test OME Nitro and Ironman 4x4 Nitro kits. I. Interested to see how the 6112s do.

[@grgoss1]

You guys are putting out excellent content - fun, informative, and entertaining. I've been saying for a while now, I much prefer side by side comparisons to help combat the bro science and old biases. The key whether it is tire pressure, type/size, suspension... and so on is to control for the variables so that the one thing you are trying to understand is isolated. It doesn't need to be painfully rigorous, just enough to show what a run at 10 psi vs. 15 vs. 20 or whatever does. I drive a full-size and jeep or taco guys will say I have to do X or Y or must never do Z... but they aren't accounting for the different load/vehicle or whatever.

[@viperxbr]

That was a great review of those suspension setups. I would definitely be interested in seeing the same review done on the more entry level suspension products out there. I just bought a 23' TRD Sport and would like to know how something like the Elka 2.0/2.5 IFP's would differ from stock(Being Canadian myself, would like to stick with Canadian made if it's a quality product). I know you guys really focus more on the offroading/overlanding environments but I'm really looking for something that's more for on-road daily driver setup which your previous series did have some coverage. Keep up the good work! Cheers!

[@HostmorkeCZ]

Can we see Eibach Pro truck coilovers with the rear bypass shocks for the mid level test? I know a few front bypass coil overs, ADS, FOX, etc use Eibach springs.

[@bquade70]

Excellent series! Hope to see the same with 5100's and type. 👍👍 Lake Havasu 🌞 Az

[@fouUili684]

The good thing about all of those shocks is that you can revalve them however you want them to ride

[@mouthbreathermtb4192]

Test Factory OEM Shocks, then slap on TRD Pro Shocks, next Bilstein 5100's, then Bilstein 6112's & 5160's, then Old Man EMU (soft valve), Eibach series, and lastly Rancho's or Pro Comps....please

[@jdesigns7239]

I'm excited to see more testing!

[@skrinix]

mid budget classic OME 2” with OME springs. loved the first series!

[@cabinviewventures]

This was a great idea for a series. OME, and Eibach would fit well with the Bilstein 5100 and 6112

[@snosqrl]

I'd add to your list some ToyTech's. No One is testing those out, can't find one recent video... maybe there's some kind of legal thing there but, it's curious... and I'm curious how they stack up... Thanks for the awesome videos! Quality content!

[@levitate8918]

Love the series. Would be interesting to see the new foxes, on another note you guys should really try out radflo and ads racing if and when you do a video on shocks with adjusters. Great series!

[@TriggerBrian]

So many people hate on Rough Country shocks but I have a feeling most have never used them. I'd love to see some of them blind tested. Also, thinking about the OME medium duty kit so I'd like to see that one too. Maybe even add a cheap $150 spacer lift to the mix to see how bad or not bad it might be?

[@johngray9702]

Thank you for sharing.

[@angelgaytan3401]

Really excited for these future vids

[@peterolfert7477]

Definitely need to test ToyTec Aluma Series 2.5 shocks as part of the next round!

[@connorward1120]

Test the Terraflex Falcons as a budget set 👍🏻

[@gregktm]

I have the Fox 2.5 elite series dsc (adjustable). They are great for street and trail riding (NY). We don't have desert here. The company I bought them from shop that does a tune based on your usage. Adventure, Dual Sport, or Trail tune. Excellent so far.

[@IronMatt22]

For the budget suspension test, it’s probably mostly for folks who want suspension on their off road vehicle which is also their daily driver (like myself). So 95-98% on road but wanting good (not necessarily the best) performance off road when we go. I think that’d be good to keep in mind for the test. I like the options several comments already stated. Well done and looking forward to the next test!

[@OverlandOutfitters]

coming soon!!!

[@theependleton]

Solid series, another for the 6112!

[@TheGerardo6216]

I enjoyed the series. Please test Falcon sport shocks and Eibach pro-truck stage 2r

[@oaknshell]

Hey there! Will the ARB OME BP-51s be included in the “adjusters” series? 🙃

[@MrJcjet]

This was such a great series!! Really need a similar one for the $1000 stuff (Fox 2.0, icon exp, 6112, eibach, dobinson, Ironman etc)!!! Such good stuff!! Also - FWIW, i ran fox factory series RR on a 5g 4Runner but revalved for much lower slow speed compression and was much happier. But TBH i thought my buddy's ICON 2.5s were better. I've been pretty open about it. My only wish is to see ICON soften up a bit and go progressive piston.i like it better on road with sway bars intact.

[@kapooya6402]

Damn I need that kind of expertise for the setup I want to achieve on my truck .

[@jwicker579]

Looking forward to watching the results of the Fox Performance Elite.

[@camilosanchez2475]

Would like to see the entry level comparison as well, the usual 5100, 6112, OME, Dobinson, etc.

[@chocolon1129]

Please include the BP 51 OME for your next suspension related video. Keep up the good content. Hopefully next time I visit BC I can visit the shop

[@kodepop]

Eibach pro stage 2 should be on the list.

[@clidester18]

You should look at send it suspension. From mid Atlantic off road

[@nanopotato420]

Add in 4x4 Ironman Pro foam for the mid-tier test!

[@sangsaelee3328]

Could you guys test Ironman 4x4 cell foam pro?

[@accordv6er]

Please do Tacoma/Tundra vs Coil spring 120/160 platform. Would be cool to see if there's something else to look for as desirable for 4 links

[@jaypikachu6660]

Thank you so much of your honesty review, I learned so much and help me to make the good decision in the future, sorry Fox,Lol

[@dalegarrett8077]

Personally, I’d love for someone do this with a typical Tacoma over landing setup.

[@camilosanchez2475]

Also like to see on the higher end or even mid level ADZ, Locked Offroad, Radflow, Apache, and maybe other lesser know shocks that offer similar entry to 2.5” shocks.

[@jeffplayswithcars]

On the less expensive test I'd like to see Old Man Emu. I had Bilstein 5100s on my 1998 4Runner and didn't like them. Switched to OME and I'm satisfied. I'd love to see if there is an even better option at this price point.

[@DWRECKED91]

Bilstein, Old man Emu, Ironman 4x4 Foam cell, All dogs offroad Koni 82, Dobinson

[@Fparrish]

Trail boss for the win 🤘🏼 Know idea about that gentleman’s, comments so odd 😂😂 I can’t even translate that. Keep doing what your doing it rocks. Love the no BS style of these vids

[@quackstopr]

Gotta get some Dobinsons mid budget

[@mattg8116]

I appreciate that the truck was stock level performance, but I really wish we would be more specific when we call something stock. Wheels and tires can have a huge impact of the performance of a vehicle. If you want to test stock, it's pretty critical that the wheels and tires represent that. It's fair to say that most customers will change those things before suspension, I totally agree, but that's just not stock anymore.

[@05EVORS]

6112s ride awesome (when they are fresh) I just replaced mine but had to buy an entire new kit $820 bc Bilstein DOES NOT SELL JUST the shocks... you gotta buy the collars and springs all over again when tbey blow out(they dont last a lifetime) BC I had to vuy another kit I opted for the HD 6112 lart# for 4 runner w 650lb springs. They will give you 3" lift out of the box.. 600lb kit is 2.5-2.6" lift. 650s make no swaybar life easier to stomach also! Do the HD kit and dont look back.

[@liveoutdoors8337]

You should definitely try the old man emu bp51s. I think they’d be a huge competitor

[@albertsaenz5576]

You should use an impact recorder which will provide data to compare. Also the iPhone has an accelerometer that an app may provide you a tool to use to measure gforces.

[@gramirez3]

thanks for sticking you your guns on fox. kinda seems like a cop out by them.

[@bikeislife8405]

I’m running the mid tier Rough Country M1 Monotubes, they are a MASSIVE upgrade over stock, and very affordable. I’d love to see you guys bring some light on a notoriously misjudged brand!

[@TheUnitninetyone]

"Budget" is subjective, what is considered budget? $800? 1500? Testing the Bilstein 6112 is the logical choice but the budget Bilstein shock would be 5100 series. For me I would be interested in Bilstein 6112, Icon stage 1, OME 90021/2888, Toytec Aluma, and being being well known in the classic car world I would like to see how Eibach stacks up. I agree with some of the other commenters; seeing how some of these "budget" setups compares to the factory TRD Pro Fox suspension. Thanks, this was a fun series!

[@lorenzoronpedrique2952]

Please try the Yellow Old Man Emu nitro Gas, the Dobinsons IMS, Rough Country M1, Ironman Gas, and maybe Fox and Icon 2.0 without reservoir.

[@Jaun2Three]

Yo Braeden, I have the fox's and I do agree with what they said. Imo, you don't see sxs's with kings or icons. You see them with fox for a reason. Hopefully, that applies to my tacoma. Better than Bil 6112s.

[@jonluchessi1643]

What would you recommend for a 2023 jeep gladiator with RK 4 1/2 inch lift kit, (not coil overs) i’m looking for a good adjustable shock to take road trips out of state do lots of back country dirt road travel and sometimes towing a modified off-road teardrop trailer, I want the adjustability for when I’m towing also I live in Northern California and a lot of my areas I go for the day the roads getting there are very winding with lots of elevation gain and loss so body sway adjustment is important and then I’d like to back off the adjustments once I get off road, I had the fox 2.5 on my jeep 392 they were OK I was not impressed, I like the kings but they only have one compression dampening adjustment and I worry about their reliability so many people I know their shocks start leaking within a month or two, then there’s the new bilstein‘s and I’ve heard they make a lot of noise? I don’t know what that noise is? Is it annoying? any recommendation would be great, also ohlins came out with new shocks which I know will be top-of-the-line, since I was a super bike racer and we always Ran ohlins they are incredible, but they are probably double in price of everyone else. Thanks👍👍

[@danebliven9576]

can you do stock 2018 pro shocks reveiw with and without westcott designs shock collar lift

[@christophervillalta2006]

Toyota TRD Pro with Westcott Designs Lift and Eibach 1.30" springs and Deaver rear springs!

[@biker4runner1997]

Gotta test some dobinson and OME!

[@jfriday1ify]

Can't wait to see the mid level shock review. do the - 6112, IMS, Foam Cell, Toytec or Elka, MT-64, Icon's. Anthing bigger diameter with no Res.

[@andrewcarr899]

I would love to see the BP-51 by OME reviewed. Even if thrown in a more budget Roundup. You would hope they are by far the best.

[@l4stclip]

Would love to see rough country vertex resi coilovers and resi shocks