Overselling the quest

Doing low level "epic quests" in games
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[@iaco-vlad]

"F*ck off then" Adam being that angry caught me by surprise. Nice 👌🏼

[@Spectarium]

@Energy as adam said Fuck Off

[@maciekpiotrowski3178]

He was channeling Brian Cox from Succession. :D

[@rrralpop157]

hungry probably

[@Zack_Zander]

“Aaa! Adventure! You’ve arrived!”

[@reissmix3]

I came to say exactly this, it made me laugh!

[@UCeagle79]

I'd like to see the underselling of quests. I love finding hidden or random NPCs that gives quest chains that lead to something epic.

[@VivaLaDirtLeague]

That’s a good idea!

[@UCeagle79]

@@VivaLaDirtLeague For every negative video you gotta do a positive one. Id also love to see a positive gameplay video about custom mods. Show someone skyrim in VR for the first time.

[@michaelshelling8738]

@@VivaLaDirtLeague Imagine if this quest was both over and under sold....

[@Warrior_Culture]

NPC: We need you to escort a man to work that has been having problems with his neighbors. PC: Easy. Accept. Scene: You find yourself in a defensive circle comprised of the kings closest and most elite guard as the human lines collapse beneath the onslaught of the combined nations of orcs and trolls! The crimson dirt quakes at their approach and only you and a handful of others must hold the tide until reinforcements arrive, IF they arrive! Should this grim battle be lost, so too shall we lose the final kingdom of man! Make each swing of your wooden sword count, for each one could decide all our fates!

[@VheeShane]

get there and the Crabs are Giant crabs and the oysters shock you as you pick them up (bizarre Eel hybrid)

[@deankerrigan4406]

"F*** off then" line of the episode! Absolute Quality.

[@bdonaghu]

1:12 lol that smug "mmmyes?" was perfect.

[@bloodrunsclear]

‘The world is literally being eaten by demons…but sure, gather a million plants! We’ve got time.’ -Dragon Age Inquisition

[@mrmannyman2]

The poor mayor, just trying to have some fun

[@RenegadeLK]

Who knows maybe the collecting will be the easy part but getting there will be the tough part due to the enemies or getting lost.

[@ElladanKenet]

Meanwhile, the crabs are ten feet high and can snap trees in half and the oysters all have radioactive pearls in them and the place is absolutely SWARMING with murlocs. Also Godzilla is there.

[@VanishingPoint.]

It's NPCs like this sending low level noobs to the crabs that results in Giant Crabs like those found in The Lands Between (which are right next to the Kingdom Of Landover I hear).

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

I'm loving the continuity! Though it feels weird when I saw the mayor dead before I saw him alive! XD "The mayor dropped the jam! The mayor went to the shop to get more jam! The mystery is solved! You are welcome!"

[@taufikabdurahman]

From a garlic farmer into a garlic slasher.

[@JamesSarin]

Glad to see the comedy is still on point.

[@JohnLow7627]

Man, we need a petition for VLDL to put back the original npc man ending

[@makuuclarete3470]

At witcher games... when someone tells you to get ten things that are easy to get. I died from random harpy ambushes, sudden bear attacks, picking a flower up then suddenly pack of wolves attack. XD

[@ElSalsaRey]

And then Ben gets to the beach and it's full of those clam people from Dark Souls

[@Mysticleo42]

Plot twist, there's a secret crab there that's level 100

[@rayrowley4013]

I imagined cut to the coast line which is shear 100 ft cliff with sharks at the bottom.

[@DutchmanCalypso]

For some reason, the "F**k off then" just had me absolutely deceased 😂

[@WayneLLC]

The glow when they introduced Alan … 😂

[@ludeviguelemody863]

I mean for the crabs...If you're playing elden ring, they do be pretty dangerous.

[@SaladHate]

He did not say "OUTRAGEOUS", so be careful, guys, this may be a doppelganger or alien impostor

[@DHoagie]

I would absolutely love to play a game that had interactions like this. it would be so fun.

[@Buffbud96]

I like seeing Greg level up from Garlic Farmer to high-level Adventurer

[@THESLICKNESSEDM]

Now I want Jack black as an epic quest giver

[@marktaylor6553]

"You could prick your finger!" - I literally Lol'ed - Well done.

[@ukaszkasprzak4457]

Idea for a video: when guest doesn’t tell what level you should be. (Eg. You’re lvl 1 and guest is for lvl 20, but guest giver doesn’t say anything about it)

[@steven-i6j]

gets there with a level 50 troll guarding the last oyster. il come back in 10 hours.

[@iroccata]

It's full of death! Where? For the oysters!

[@puncherdavis9727]

I play a game called Wurm online where there are no NPC quests. There is a journal of quests that you can do but no procedurally-generated bulshit. Nobody trying to sell you some Epic questline. It's a Grind most things are players sold to each other and it ain't cheap that things that are Soldier each other because you can either do the grinder self or pay for somebody else to give you the stuff. I gave up on Triple A's and all their Quest it gets so boring after awhile

[@judahmills1731]

HARD DECLINE! ✋

[@teardowndan5364]

Only thing this quest is missing is murlocs.

[@particle7246]

Being a super hero only works if everyone is an idiot but them...😆

[@christianstachl]

The oysters on the beach: think of the ones in Dark Souls 😅 Yes, i know they're clams, don't ruin my joke!

[@atfreetime..3520]

Привет ребята. Вы молодцы! Не перестаете радовать своими работами. СПАСИБО! xD / Hi guys. You are great! You never cease to amaze with your work. THANKS! xD

[@smilydeth]

I'd give anything for quest dialog like that in the games i play!

[@sonicroze]

Crabs? On the beach? Are they at least giant enemy crabs?

[@animewatcha]

For those who played 3.5e DnD. That Darn Crab....

[@Jet735]

Every time I want to unsubscribe, a gem comes out of nowhere xD

[@t.s.adrian8785]

Wait! He already had 10 oysters! The "?" was yellow!

[@randalefang]

I'm surprised its not dark soul giant crabs...

[@toastybastard9559]

Adam got mad

[@thefunnyboner545]

My only gripe is that I miss the voice that went epic Npc man at the end of the videos.

[@achimlichtenhagen3144]

Plot-Twist: Episode 2, 15 Minutes later: Ben running across the beach screaming in panic, fleeing a swearing and cursing oyster.

[@vinnyganzano1930]

Or a dragon.

[@TheBiggreenpig]

@@vinnyganzano1930 Or snippy snappy crabs.

[@leonardobarros9322]

The Dark Souls one

[@StoriesbyIrish]

Omg, I would die 🤣🤣🤣☠️

[@__-os7rr]

great idea

[@tterexx426]

1:49 "I thought this quest is full of death and danger!" I thought he'd answer: "It is - for the oysters!"

[@dima6488]

same!

[@kataseiko]

I was waiting for the crabs to be a bit bigger than "ankle sized". I have seen coconut crabs, and they demand some respect. And a really big pot if you want to cook them, they really do taste great.

[@tterexx426]

@@kataseiko I honestly think I would be too scared of them to try and eat them!

[@ScooterBond1970]

@@kataseiko with big nasty pointy teeth! [does fang-tooth gesture]

[@janthony721]

me too!

[@Adz2]

The Oysters are actually man eating ones with high level spellcasting, also there is a troll patrolling the beach that will one shot any low level adventurer 🤣

[@countluke2334]

Like that Cyclops on Ard Skellig blocking the main road on the eastern coastline which is usually 10-15 levels higher than the player when you first get into that area.

[@undemos]

Also the beach is full of murlocs

[@tylerboyce4081]

I see you have also visited the Storm Coast in Dragon Age Inquisition. 😅

[@allenbair226]

Yup. It's never just "go collect 10 oysters for 20 gold."

[@VivaLaDirtLeague]

Sounds like Elden Ring beaches

[@shadout]

"Those oysters are sharp. You could prick your finger!" "I think I'll be fine" Are you sure? You are level one.

[@DrakeWurrum]

Actually, he's level 3!

[@joeneltner3558]

* on the way back you trip against a cart in the road and die instantly * as in FO

[@luciak.3258]

What he doesn't know is that after he collects 10 oyster, the Enraged Oyster Queen and Furious Crab Guards, all level 15, will show up. If you were wise enough to level up your luck to 30, there's 0.5% chance that the EOQ will drop a rare EOQ Pearl which could be useful for the next 3 levels.

[@Mesarthim]

Now I want to see an ending where he actually does slip.

[@mogwaisales]

Same

[@sbalogh53]

As he falls hitting his head on a small rock, drowning in a shallow pool. I told you there was danger involved. Why did you not take heed, brave adventurer? Three crabs nipped at his ankles before he could resurrect.

[@THETRIVIALTHINGS]

@Energy No.

[@SQSNSQ]

Cuts his finger, makes awkward move, slips on the rocks, falls down and gets bitten by crabs to near death and has to eat foul fish to rise health, gets poisoned, fights the crabs, collects the food, gets back to the mayor with 1 HP, finishes quest and immediately gets mugged for 20 gold...

[@Bleihagel]

@@SQSNSQ Accept! ☝

[@johnwoodworth9127]

I love how they keep improving the costumes and such. Plus it was funny seeing Alen acting all high and mighty. :)

[@telboy007]

Loving the hamming it up acting 😂

[@Ozzie2191]

So much delicious ham.

[@HardAtWorkPainting]

Yeah loved the contrast between the 2 parts

[@VeryProfessionalGamer]

Plottwist: The quest is actually intended for high level players, the "sharp rocks" are actually deadly, 10 foot spikes that mean certain death, the oysters are man-eating with barbs laced in a paralysing poison and the crabs are actually those lobster from Elden Ring.

[@Ariksu]

Seriously, fuck the crabs. Why it is always crab?

[@voster77hh]

Elden Ring Lobster made my day. I refunded that masochistic game not fitting to my personality.

[@TheYxccxy]

Still just 20 Gold though.

[@venomsnake4042]

Little did the adventurer know, the coastline region in Azerim is a level 50+ area with Giant crabs he has to fight just to collect the oysters

[@nielgawi9102]

@Energy no

[@legendary8764]

Don't forget the 10% drop rate per oyster, even though you literally picked up a frickin' oyster xD

[@soupfork2105]

don't forget the Mrrgrrglgrrgls

[@aliddda328]

And the oysters are used to level you up to him he is gonna be level 100 if he did

[@Vassilinia]

But the high level guy confirmed it was a level 1 quest..

[@Rend44]

The origin story of Ben becoming jaded and cynical from quests.

[@melanp4698]

The ? was yellow as he walked away. Does that mean he actually already unknowingly had 10 oysters in his inventory?

[@PaulBlaise]

I was expecting a grey '?', but it seems this game isn't the same as WoW.

[@angrypotato_fz]

I thought it was supposed to mean that Ben had this quest already in progress and could talk to quest giver to remind him what's to be done. (replay a few last lines of dialogue, usually)

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

I thought it was an ! For quests and a ? For shops and other help?

[@backonlazer791]

@@sjonnieplayfull5859 ! is for quests you haven't accepted yet and ? is for ongoing quests.

[@moriakpotato]

@@sjonnieplayfull5859 In WoW (which this series is inspired by) it is yellow "!" for regular quest available for pick up (other colors are used for different types of quests), gray "?" for a quest in progress but incomplete and yellow "?" for completed quest ready to be turned in. So by WoW logic the "?" would have been gray, unless Ben already had 10 oysters in his inventory, which would immediately mark his quest as completed and ready to be turned in, as Melan P said. But they can do whatever they want, symbols and colors and all, it is their "game" after all :D

[@JarraxQ]

"How dare you waste my time with this level one bulls**t!?" Definitely relatable in some games 😂

[@OneofInfinity.]

Disturbing his pro-afk time.

[@danarthur771]

Beach spawns are level 1 bs? Obviously alan havent played alden ring 😖

[@MAR19980]

basic gaming

[@JasonAstraea]

Level scaling will fix that for you.

[@loganshaw5]

This happens in MMOs all the time

[@daphnegrass9579]

Adam and Alan are both masters of Over-Under acting. Fucking Maestros!

[@Ocker3]

What are you referring to, Peassant?!

[@nosky9296]

Over under acting? What?

[@kyle9401]

Yeah these guys can turn up the heat and turn down the cold! ;)

[@OverlordDenooh]

@@nosky9296 Overacting (also referred to as hamming or mugging) refers to acting that is exaggerated. Overacting can be viewed positively or negatively. It is sometimes known as "chewing the scenery".

[@potatowaffle5653]

@Jacob King sorry he meant under over acting

[@brynmatthews4365]

Alan's "Hard Decline!" gets me each time

[@nairocamilo]

Finally, a kindred soul! I'm definitely using that gesture in my day-to-day conversations

[@XanaPc2024]

Im mute, but i SO wish i could use this in daily life haha. along with the "How dare you waste my time with this level 1 bullshit" XD then the hand "HARD DECLINE!" XD

[@markosskace514]

It is the "NO!!!!" afterwards for me. So funny!

[@Sentient_Zee]

Oh, Adam is playing the Mayor. I honestly thought he was playing a new character; Flamboyant Cowboy.

[@syberknyt]

Adam is a Valiant Cavalier.

[@carlkenner4581]

It's actually an old character, but he was only in one episode for a few seconds. I love the attention to consistency, he looks the same. kzbin.info/www/bejne/roHFYXSDqLN9erc

[@geoffreymartin6363]

I can kinda see why he got murdered, though

[@vinnyganzano1930]

In the thumbnail I thought he looked like a Mexican villager looking for a brave adventurer to save them from the evil bandidos.

[@marcwaller3657]

It's the same one as the Balloon episode isn't it? "From the air!"

[@elemenopi4827]

"i need you to head to the coastline and.. (*uneasy pause), collect 10 oysters.." these guys just keep getting better.

[@goldenknight578]

I'm just glad he didn't make the mistake of saying "at least 10 oysters."

[@Atticusa87]

"The crabs could hurt you with their big claws!" Me, who played FFXI and spent thousands of hours in the Dunes: "Not again. Not the crabs!"

[@justsage3204]

"Oh no here comes a goblin!"

[@thevikinghermit7151]

Me playing FFXIV after years of FFXI, “a crab! Let’s goooo! …ok it’s dead… a Pugil let’s fight it! Oh, 2 hits wow… ummm 🤔. Wait…you mean I can walk into an entire camp of goblins?!… this isn’t what I remember, I’m sad 😞.

[@loganshaw5]

@@thevikinghermit7151 walking in the sand have FFVII flash back the sandy horror.

[@loganshaw5]

@@thevikinghermit7151 walks in the sand in FF7. Get one shot by world boss that only lives in the desert.

[@kentho7093]

2:47 absolutely fantastic acting by Ben, it is very subtle but Ben makes the "I feel bad now" look very genuine and convincing.

[@capp00]

What if they are giant crabs, could be a perilous journey indeed!

[@Blondie42]

Or giants who have a mean disposition . . . .crabby giants

[@bergelmir9970]

Evil giant vampire crabs with dynamite attached to their legs!

[@nerv007]

Giant crabs in souls. I almost assumed that's what it was

[@CyrussNP]

*flashbacks of giant crabs and lobsters in Elden Ring*

[@spectralassassin6030]

@@CyrussNP The crabs are less annoying after you become more powerful. The lobsters will two shot you from the lakes to the mountains.

[@boru3413]

That abrupt "fok off then" caught me off guard, and I'm still laughin

[@jamesanthony8438]

Love that Rowan loaned his special harp music and lighting effects that go off whenever he exits his house or enters a room in the real world to Alan for this episode. Totally lost it at Adam's "F*ck off then." Was _not expecting that_ =)

[@jh7589]

He had a golden question mark above his head, does that mean he already had the 10 oysters to hand in?..

[@Tallorian]

- You said this quest is full of death and danger! - It is! [For the oysters]

[@snowflake8658]

Reminded me of the time when I just got a permission to enter college of Winterhold, not even entered yet. Turned around wanting to go in the shop, stumbled into a guard and he be like: "Ah, you're the one from the college... Heard about you."

[@octavianpopescu4776]

I knooow. My favourite was when they called me a thief just for having a high sneak skill ("Hands to yourself sneak thief") even though my character had never stolen anything and wasn't part of the Thieves Guild. Or Brynjolf being all like "haven't done an honest day's work in your life"... and I'd be like: "Everything I've ever done was 100% legit!"

[@bijou3000]

@@octavianpopescu4776 Right? I'm like, "You don't even know me, man!"

[@molybdaen11]

Rumors spread at the speed of thought.

[@PHNeutre49]

@Koowluh "You'll never take me alive !" and they start attacking you even tho you can just stand there, take their hits and throw a huge fireball at their friend, killing them on sight. Like, don't you care about dying ?

[@lambentlamprey]

@@PHNeutre49 Some things are worth dying for. Unfortunately for them, this was not.

[@gnawonknowledge]

It is full of death and danger.....for the oysters.

[@molybdaen11]

Nobody think of the poor oysters. They were just filtering the ocean as usuall until some titan suffocate them, break them Oper, rip they body apart, boil it and eat it together with his friends.

[@SolaScientia]

I cracked up when they started arguing over how the quest was being presented, but then the sad music started and I honestly laughed harder. Excellent vid. To be fair, if I'm warned about crabs/lobsters in a game I tend to be overly cautious about them. Thank you, FromSoftware.

[@SpiderwolfHowling]

Ah, another who has faced sniper lobsters and giant enemy crabs.

[@SolaScientia]

@@SpiderwolfHowling Fun times. I admit to noping away from the ones I've encountered in Elden Ring, but I fought those 2 in the swamp on the Road of Sacrifices head-on. I'm glad those 2 are weak to frost damage, lol.

[@igotveemon]

It's impressive how you can act like someone who is trying to act more "flamboyant". The mayor so obviously is acting out of grandeur, but ... you're acting that he's acting. Cool video!

[@diversezebra6754]

It really is an impressive talent that MANY people overlook. .-.

[@MartinFinnerup]

It's an act-ception! A virtual Matryoshka doll of acting!

[@diggitydiggity5523]

1:34 How dare you waste my time for this level 1 bullshit HARD DECLINE

[@mariamartinusz9699]

Don't hurt Adam's feelings! He's been trying soo hard! Soo nasty of you!🤣

[@Nymisies]

Oh damn.. that one makes me so nostalgic in playing mmorpgs. didnt play one for a loooong time. ... i absolutly love epic npc man. its like living my early roleplay experiance again. Thanks for that opportunity!

[@Henrik.Yngvesson]

2:15 That could almost have been from Tom Green - Freddy Got Fingered

[@DustyLightning]

It's nice seeing more of Alan outside of just playing Greg lately

[@gabriellespanke]

As much as I love Greg, I think my favorite episodes are where Alan gets to play a different type of character. That's actually not true, my favorite episode is where Greg goes psycho for a minute, but my next favorites are Alan being not-Greg.

[@eliasar5051]

Ben didn´t even know that those oysters are actually guarded by Dark Souls giant crabs.

[@VivaLaDirtLeague]

He’s gonna have a bad time

[@lightpoint4426]

And the oysters are also the Dark Souls oysters. Might as well just dig a grave now, adventurer...

[@eliasar5051]

@@lightpoint4426 Holy crap I completely forgot about those monstrosities Seath made... Thank you for reminding me of that nightmarish experience.

[@lightpoint4426]

@@eliasar5051 YEP I've died to them waaaay more than I ever have to Seath. Thanks for that infinite stunlock, oysters!

[@DragonsAreHungry]

I love seeing more Adam and Alan besides Eugene and Greg! ❤🥰 I´m still laughing at the F*ck off then, caught me off guard even though Alans bullsh*t should have warned me probably 🤣

[@Juschlan]

"This quest will push you to your physical AND MENTAL limits!" The fact you mentioned mental too... Amazing!

[@Goddessa39Tia]

It's been out five minutes. There's already 509 Likes. Also, I loved how Greg (ShadowDragon199) was made to be the hunky lead for once, even if it was ass-holioh-ish. Also, Oysters- you could prick your finger. Hehe.

[@Bleihagel]

4000 now :-)

[@Sembazuru]

They have big nasty teeth and they bite people. Oh... sorry... those are rabbits, not oysters...

[@Vassilinia]

The Mayor did everything but outright lie to him and in the end the adventurer is somehow the bad guy. 🤣

[@gutspraygore]

"Those are no ordinary oysters! They got teeth that could... eh, they can leap about... look at the bones!"

[@mysterythekitsune2988]

the Adventure will Try to make oyster soup out of them but the oysters some how leap and eat the adventurer as he approaches heedless of the warning. "I warned ya. But did you listen oh no their just helpless little oysters!"

[@boru3413]

You guys are making amazing use off of all that Kickstarter money. The production quality just keeps on going up!

[@viddeliten]

Yeah, I don't need studio recorded things. Honeywood is all I'm here for 😊

[@NocturnalPyro]

@@viddeliten well I mean ofcourse they’re gonna film on site when the weather is good.

[@NocturnalPyro]

@what now the fuck?

[@FaultAndDakranon]

This is just patreon money. Kickstarter money is studio money.

[@rrralpop157]

I believe kickstarter money is for the studio. This video is probably made months ago and queued to be released

[@darthzayexeet3653]

Ben: “Come on it’s just Crabs, I think I’ll be fine…” Dark Souls/Elden Ring/Limit Breakers: *Allow me to introduce myself*

[@AbWischBar]

Well historically, death through every day life accidents, such as tiny dirty cuts, has indeed been a major death hazard. Thanks for raising awareness!

[@Veelasiren]

Alan sounded like he was scolding a dog when he told Ben "NO!" in that haughty voice.

[@Mikeztarp]

I have a video idea for yall: while an adventurer does the Skyrim "wait in place for x hours" thing, NPCs make fun of them, messing up their outfit, drawing funny things on their face, etc.

[@FarkylkSilvan]

So like the one they did just Skyrim instead of Witcher waiting and outdoors instead of indoors. Could be good.

[@joea9043]

They've got one called "The truth about fast travel" that I think you'll love.

[@Mikeztarp]

@@joea9043 Yeah, videos like those two are why I think it's right up VLDL's alley. I actually got the idea while rewatching the one about meditation. It made me feel like they could have added another step to the joke.

[@HambinoRanx]

Didn’t expect this at 2 in the morning

[@billcox8870]

They are in New Zealand.

[@xanthus2559]

It's 11 a.m. for me :D

[@FlowPlusNRG]

@@xanthus2559 For me too. Greetings from Germany to all of you. 😅

[@IAMBIGLION]

I got this at 10 in the morning!

[@Kev1nTheKev1n]

2 for me too i have school in 6 hours

[@jasoncastillo9017]

Nothing like an epic npc drop at 5am Eastern Standard time definitely worth getting up early for.

[@evilreiko]

1:12 the "yeaas" got me off guard, omg Alan, totally unexpected!

[@daphnegrass9579]

0:43 The other dude started blinking rapidly as Alandor started glowing! Hehe, Attention to detail.

[@clementwymiens7955]

Oh! Didn't even notice at first! Thanks for pointing that out, these guys are just Amazing with a capital "A"!

[@FBWL-u1r]

Well spotted!

[@prllytrnton2396]

Hehe, didn't notice. That was freaking awesome..

[@shaihulud4515]

I've been bingewatching these - and I am again! This one, is so simple, but to be honest: it is one of my favorites, maybe my favorite of all - the gestures and mimic are so spot on, the plot the carefully evolved. Each time he reaches "and f**k off", I burst into laughing! 12/10

[@LianchungnungMangte]

The intro music is beautiful. 🎶🎶

[@TheArchemman]

This video pretty much sums up how most triple A titles are being sold. Over hyped, but all you get is a meager experience. Good video though, love the new outfit Adam 😊👍

[@oscargonzalez3599]

NPC: There are...ah....crabs! yes, very danger crabs! Crabs at the beach: Level 85 Elite variation

[@thedragonauthority]

I accept the quest of watching and subscribing. I'd still love to see an episode where the muggers get transported to Playtech and tries to mug 'em.

[@nathanwilder5775]

I love the Mayor of Honeywood character. I hope to see more of him. He's just trying to be enthusiastic, but gets put down by everyone.

[@Sofus.]

These little side quests have to be there, in every single RPG otherwise it feels wrong.🧜‍♂️

[@nightray7854]

Its there to teach newbie game mechanics and map layouts

[@devedee2393]

"How dare u waste my time with this Level 1 Bulls**** HARD DECLINE!!" "NO!!" Omg 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dariuslateralus7128]

Remembering the size of some rats and spiders in Neverwinter Nights, I'd say a beach full of hostile crabs and oysters sounds horrifying!

[@rastaoneeye]

An EPIC quest, Watching more videos and rewatching old. The reward is Definitely worth it. “Accept” 🍻

[@clydecash5659]

3:09 but Ben already collected enough oysters. Why else would the mayor’s floating question mark be solid?