IH Utility Series Tractors Part 2

[@craigross8777]

My Grandfather, father and myself have owned IH/caseIH tractors since the 60's and my father and I who are both Mechanics worked for IH and CaseIH in New Zealand. A common issue that can arrise is a worn or faulty torque amplier(16 speed transmission option) generally a worn clutch pack or failed sprag bearing, there were weaknesses in the design but it was often due to driver error or abuse. The std 8 speed transmissions tends to be a lot more reliable. In the 85 and 95 series extra plates were added to the T/A clutch pack which made it much stronger and more reliable. Otherwise really good all round tractors. They were extremely popular here in New Zealand with a very good dealer network and back up service.

[@aussie4142]

My 475 is losing drive when in Hi TA while doing loader work when shifting forward or reverse depress the clutch once or twice then it regains drive is this caused by worn seal rings on the shaft any ideas

[@michiganfarming1955]

we had our fuel tank welded on the 684 couple years ago. also done little front end work and years ago it seen some welding. i also replaced a injector leak off line last year. ours is a cold starting champ she has missed a few starts but a bad battery is why. needless to say i absolutely love my 684.

[@PAFarms]

I forgot to cover the issue with the brakes every so often when it sits too long, you have to bleed them. My 685 has one brake not working

[@michiganfarming1955]

PA Farms I have a break pedal that goes to the floor with no action. The other one works tho. How do you go about bleeding them?

[@PAFarms]

If you look at the area around the rear axle, right at where it bots to the housing, you should see a bleeder. It’s just like an automotive brake bleeder valve. Usually you have to take a pick and clean it out first, then open it and bleed just like you would a pickup. I can do a video on it. I have to do mine anyway. If bleeding it doesn’t work. From there you have to cap your line that feeds it to test the master cylinder. If that holds and your pedal is solid, then it’s the o ring on the brake piston....

[@michiganfarming1955]

PA Farms I’ll check that out tomorrow after work. Ill do a video if I remember too. Really appreciate the help bud thank you

[@eastedenfarms9017]

PA Farms my 684 has to have brakes bled if it sits for a month or two

[@randybreuer1685]

i bought 685 new in 1985 for my dad with the cold weather package it started great as long as the either can was full. It also had MFWD with a loader sold in in 2012 with 750 hours on it

[@PAFarms]

Wow, those are the tractors I look for, low hours and original

[@williamchambers7235]

They are indestructible little buggers! We have a 674 and a 585. Our 784 had a small fire in the wiring but it still ran. Traded it for 585. Thanks for the info

[@PAFarms]

I have seen some of them burnt to a crisp in salvage yards, I am in the habit of not letting batteries hooked up unless I’m running them. It put the quick attach battery ends on everything. It’s insurance anyway!

[@allenbowick4716]

Man I loved your video BUT you broke my heart when you said replace steering valve vs re-sealing it. That's $1100 vs $80. I have a '88 model 585 with 650 or so hrs. I got it with 92 hrs. The tractor sat parked for 25 years after the owner drowned. Jam up little tractor. I have had a few electrical problems with lights & flasher control. Also resealed steering Cylinder, injection pump & replace inj return lines but that is to be expected on a tractor that sat unstarted for 25 years. I was surprised that it wasn't locked up. Anyway excellent & informative video sir.

[@PAFarms]

You can try the rebuild but it’s probably a 50/50 chance it seals, we tried quite a few. Some worked some didn’t

[@mftech1607]

Good info. You just did a great service to the viewers. I can't speak for the small IH tractors but very similar circumstances on the small MF tractors. They all have little problems and all break or wear out no matter what color. I'll remember this if I ever look in to buying a little IH!! Thanks for the vid!!!

[@PAFarms]

Thanks, there are still guys out there that will tell you their brand doesn’t break or have issues, the mechanics in the audience will beg to differ!

[@scottshaver5495]

Pa I’ve been keeping up with ur videos you do a great job explaining what ur doing it really encourages me to do more work on my equipment really enjoy ur videos P A take care great videos from Kentucky

[@PAFarms]

Thanks for coming along, I always enjoy feedback. Good luck with future projects!

[@cooper68ns]

Hey Scott did you buy the 484.? And if so how do you like it.

[@richardschaffling9882]

Great videos I just bought a IH 454 at a auction been sitting a few years the hydronic fluid is low but the steering is very hard to turn and it has no brakes I looked for the bleeders and can’t find any thank you for any help

[@Skitzo2294]

On our 885 we have to change our thermostat at least once a year. The 3 point hitch on both our 885/485 (485 is shorter) no issue s with it working. But it is always in the way of PTO attachments. Have a few bent shafts from that. Usually just take them off if we don't need them. Parking brake light is usally the switch gets corroded by the handle under the shifting levers. I just spray a little blaster on it and it will start working within a day. Thanks for the video!

[@PAFarms]

Yea that’s my biggest issue with the 3 point arms. They just swing around and bend pto shafts. I try to avoid 3pt equipment if possible. I took the arms off my 986 for the Baler. 885 is a nice tractor, I was looking for one when I bought my 685.

[@neiljohnfaulkner]

Great video. I have a 384 harvester with a fuel problem. it will run on tick over, but when under load it hunts for fuel. Any ideas. had new filters etc.

[@dehavenfamilyfarm]

You are right about the prices of those utility tractors. I looked at buying one a few years ago, and I was really surprised to see how much people were asking for them. Needless to say, I never bought one. lol

[@PAFarms]

Yea I think new 4x4 with cab about 75hp your looking at $45k. For that money, I would buy about 20 old ones!

[@jesse1247]

Thanks for posting such informative videos. Really have enjoyed them. Can you do one on adjusting hydraulic pressures? Thanks.

[@rivervalleyfarm482]

As testament to the durability of the 74, 84, 85 &95 series tractors, my uncle has a 784 he bought new in 1980. It's been a loader tractor since new. Definitely clutches. The engine ran 11000 and something hours before it's first overhaul. It has been nothing if not reliable. The only issue I am aware of that you didn't mention are the service brakes on the 74 series. They were a problem. I never knew them to be a problem from the 84 series on.

[@PAFarms]

That’s a great tractor. I have heard that before about how long they last. As far as the brakes, your right, I forgot to mention it. I do have a video coming on diagnosing brake issues

[@davidmacleod527]

would it be hard to take off fuel tank 674 international thanks

[@grayle35]

I love my 674 to death, have a loader on it as well. Great machine just one issue we can’t figure out. Rear remotes leak down quickly with any implement. Any advice?

[@crslyrn]

More good information. Thanks for taking the time to share. Stay safe.

[@carolretzer1895]

So, I have a 1992 695xl with a cab, and I would like to know if there is any way to easily get to the radiator to clean it out. How doe3s the hood come off? Or at least the front piece of the hood? Thanks!!

[@KevinMartin-r9p]

Hey PA Farms. New subscriber but have really enjoyed the content. Been a big help for a new Case IH 885 owner. Have watched most of your videos with the 685. Are you able to make a video or do you have one on flushing the coolant system for this series? Thanks!

[@PAFarms]

Hey, no I don’t think I have a video on that, I had changed the coolant in the 685 a few years ago, there should be a drain plug on the side of the block on the engine, I like to drain it there so you get most of it out. It’s lower than the radiator drain. They sell all kinds of flushes but I just change the coolant more frequently and it should be good.

[@KevinMartin-r9p]

@@PAFarms Thanks for the reply and advice! I'll give that a shot. My D 268 doesn't have the coolant filter kit. Do you still recommend that or with the conditioners in today's coolant and regular maintenance it's ok without it?

[@robertbowling3282]

Sir, I have a 464 with POT problems, it just keeps turning slow with the engine running. I cannot stop it or engage it. It is like the handle will not move! Also, when this happened, the clutch on the tractor just went to the floor! Any idea what it might be? I am not a mechanic. Do not claim to be... I love this small tractor and it has more power than I need. It is a 3 cylinder diesel. I used to cut hay with it, but now more just pulling my 6' mower. I noticed the mower was not cutting when in heavy grass......the PTO was not turning fast enough to cut.... now it barely turns the blades...I believe it is about 51 years old. I got it about 18 years ago and have had no problems with it..... I need help LOL

[@rickstride7269]

1980s mod. 385. rear axle posi- will Not disengage?

[@davidmacleod527]

hi can you tell me if it is hard to take off ;i took all bolts out 'seems very hard to move 'you would know david pei 😃

[@carlmenzel8744]

I've got a 574 with the flange axels on the high clearance tyres it's a great little tractor only issue that it has is holding it on the road in road gear you have to be brave and concentrating when doing so it seems to want to wander from side to side any idea what the cause is it's had the steering wheel valve rebuild I was wondering it the cylinder on the tie rods had a bad seal on the piston and oil was getting past causing ram to lose oil and steering position thoughts ?

[@jayr.marchant9101]

Great videos thanks so much! I have a 77 674 I purchased a couple months ago. I had to put a new tack in it aftermarket as the factory tack was almost $400 Canadian. My issue is this… it has a new cable but when I start the tractor it idles at 5000 rpm. Full out doesn’t even get to my yellow PTO line on the tack. Recommendations or thoughts? I love the utility series videos and you really have an amazing collection of International tractors. This is my first International, I was brought up with Massey Ferguson. Much appreciated! Jay from Peterborough, Ontario 🇨🇦

[@sounds-of-old]

I have a 585, 574, and 885 all very good tractors. My 574 is a 70s model and is currently down, I got the linkage on the shifter in a bind and broke the rod that goes into the side of the transmission housing. I have no reverse or low gear now becuase of the broken rod. My question is will I need to split the tractor to replace this rod or is there a plate somewhere I could take off and get into where I need for this? Thanks for any help in advance.

[@PAFarms]

Usually a split is needed incase something got bent inside, maybe worth pulling the top cover off, can access a lot from the top.

[@deerrudy]

Great video thanks for sharing. I agree I have a 385 these are built like tanks. Great tractors and they hold their value . Parts are a little hard to find not tons of aftermarket out there so you have to buy directly from case and are expensive. I have a Bosch injector pump leak that I will have to diagnose. Share whenever you do a repair video since im no mechanic video help immensely thanks

[@PAFarms]

Ok, as I have to do work on mine, I will be sure to do videos on it.

[@landongarrison5442]

Are the inline shifting tractor transmissions the same as the H-pattern shifting transmissions? For example, is a 464 transmission the same as a late model 484 transmission?

[@koryleague8833]

Great series. Alot of great information

[@PAFarms]

Thanks

[@robertjacklin7836]

Love your video's you do a great job.Would like to see one on a fuel filter change 574 with the 239 engine.I have one but am scared to tackle this. Bob

[@mikeclark4416]

The UK tractors -International -674s our "Fenders are longer , Ive never experienced Tank Problems

[@darrellhewlett3547]

How wide is the outside of the rear tires. Mine are farther out than that and need an 84 inch attachment. Would a 72 work on yours? Thanks

[@PAFarms]

Hey Darrell, from the drawbar to the center of the tire is 30”. I had them set to go through cornfields. So thinking 72” attachments would work.

[@darrellhewlett3547]

@@PAFarms Thank you for responding.

[@farmerned6]

got a 685 , punches above its weight, hope it outlasts me

[@djmorgan8783]

What do you say the common issues are the same with a 884 looking at buying that tractor with the motor it d268 do they have the coolant issue experience this engine

[@PAFarms]

I believe that engine has the water filter on as well. It will still have the same issue. It’s not really an issue if it was serviced regularly though

[@jameshawkins2897]

Any vids on gear selectors for 995xl

[@PAFarms]

No I don’t, you don’t see many of those models around

[@1danwinn]

Had a 674. Had trouble with seal on injector pump leaking.

[@alanwb29]

These are great videos. I have a 1985 Case IH 485 and there are lots of similarities with the Case's and IH's in the surrounding years. Lots to learn from your videos for sure and I have subscribed. I have a question stemming from an observation of my own tractor. When I use the PTO for something like rotary cutting, the center console between my feet gets very very warm (hot) after 30 minutes to an hour of use. My hydraulic oil level appears to be fine and PTO and hydraulics still appear to work normally as the heat increases. Do you or anyone else experience this heat as well?

[@82ndpara21]

These are very warm machines. It’s normal but annoying

[@donvoll2580]

Good day Good video I forgot are 685 back tires 16 or 18. They fill the fender in pretty well I thought IH dealer told me with my park brake, it would 8-900.00 We got loader on, that my park brake. Thanks

[@PAFarms]

The tires are 18.4 x30s

[@Jennifer31741]

You should go to the auction in Pen Argyle and buy an 806, they have five. The sale is on March 20.

[@PAFarms]

Haha yea, I will take all 5!

[@SPIVEYFARMSIHFORLIFE]

My 685 has an international engine it has ih stamped in the block can you tell me if it still has antifreze issues like the nusse engine also I havent seen any other 85 series with the ih engine is it a rare model or something

[@terryanderson5143]

Just purchased a 91 595 and I can turn the wheel but tractor doesn’t turn. Help

[@powerram92]

Could you do a video on how to adjust the shift linkage or explain it on the 986 and do a video of how to shift on the go since I'm not use it but I want to watch someone before I try to do it myself.

[@PAFarms]

Sure. I have to get it running anyway soon. Have to move it to the door so I can get the new tires put on.

[@Lucky4wd4840]

I just bought a 484 3 cylinder diesel. Does it also need coolant filter. I also have H pattern shifter with 3&4 hard to shift. It has no rear SCV outlets. Where can I tie in to hyd to add spool valve to add one rear remote. The tractor never had a loader. Should clutch have free travel?

[@PAFarms]

Some had a coolant filter some didn’t. The shifting linkage might just need to be lubricated. They get hard to shift sometimes, the linkage is a little complicated and has a lot of places it can bind up, as far as adding a valve, it can be pretty costly, if you can find the parts used it can easily be added

[@Lucky4wd4840]

@@PAFarms Got it lubed up was stuck where shift linkage goes into top of shift cover.

[@82ndpara21]

Do a search on yesterday tractors. There are a few detailed write ups on adding valves. You can also buy the stackable valve used. But they are $400 ish each.

[@Lucky4wd4840]

@@82ndpara21 I found a IH used valve with lines.

[@michaelmactavish1728]

we have a case 340 love them and best warranty like kubotas wich case are 5 year warranty kubota has 6 year warranty wich they both have best warranties

[@PAFarms]

I never really looked into kubota. I saw they started making hay equipment. I have a New Holland Dealership only a few miles away so I went with new holland

[@thegunshow9112]

I appreciate your video. I’m a fellow Pennsylvanian and can get my hands on a 484 with 6000hr for $6k. I believe welll maintained and no loader. Think that is worth pulling the trigger? It’s hard finding info on the 484

[@PAFarms]

Yea I don’t think they made too many of them. The price seems a little high but if it’s in good condition it maybe worth it

[@berniehammell481]

What makes the brake l Lock up on 885

[@mikekahl5609]

Since the merger back in the day, are they more IH or more Case?

[@PAFarms]

It’s basically an IH design all the way to the 4210, 4230 series. Basically under the changes in hood design and sheet metal, they are still very similar to the IH 674. Once they went to the c50, c60 they changed to a Perkins engine. Probably because of emissions. These German engines are smokey

[@Adam25]

One question what’s is the switch by the stop engine switch?

[@PAFarms]

That’s the hi/lo beam for the headlights

[@swheeler6848]

Fuel tank rust is also an issue

[@PAFarms]

Yea I forgot that one, thanks

[@danhay7739]

Good job on the video.my 884 and my 695 both have had a 3pth issue where the tend to bounce when the implement is raised. Its like the 3pth leaks down and the draft control tries to correct it. Any body have this problem?

[@danhay7739]

Also there seem to be lots of the 85 and 95 series in 4wd in ontario can.

[@PAFarms]

I think you have the issue figured right. Does it sound like its getting air bubbles when you raise it? Try an experiment, put some weight on it and lift it up, while it’s acting up, turn your steering wheel back and forth or pull your hydraulic remote lever and see if it stops. In the Mvc valve on the side under your hydraulic filter, there is a priority valve in there that sometimes sticks. I’m trying to remember but I’m thinking steering has priority over others.... if it’s still the same, maybe the seals on the cylinder inside

[@jasongodin7165]

I have a 674 with only 2500 hours and a tie rod popped out, lucky i was only in 1st gear, made of plastic inside where after market all steal

[@PAFarms]

Interesting

[@ericlakota1847]

You know more about thease tractors than any one on internet id love to pic your brain their is not much info about them