Panasonic Lumix S1 review - BEST pro mirrorless?

[@jurgent]

Four years after the facts, I want to thank you for making this video. Last November I came across it by chance. In my search for a full frame camera, I heard that Panasonic also had an offering. I watched this 40 minute video in one go. And when I was thinking about the S1 the next day, I knew exactly how to use the camera. Even though I had never seen an S1 live, let alone held it in my hands. I knew the buttons better then the Sony I had been working with the past 3 years. This is not only due to the fantastic ergonomics of the S1, but also to the very good instructional video. Very well done, and thank you! (An early fifty-something who as a result has now invested so much in L-mount that he may be "doomed" to stay in L-mount for life).

[@cameralabs]

You're welcome! Sigma and Panasonic are releasing lots of lenses for L mount

[@bradleyzimmerman4184]

An astonishing first in the camera industry! A brand new first generation camera that is truly deserving of praise. One that was created for serious photographers and made without compromise. A healthy dose of serious respect is well deserved for this beast! Can you believe it? Nothing to bitch or complain about. No unbelievable head scratching confusion as to why it does or does not have this or that. (Are you paying attention Canon?) While this may have been a long review for you Mr. Laing, you know it could have been far longer if you covered all it has to offer. Nonetheless, a great review as always. Cheers!

[@ebreckpo6563]

Thank you, Gordon, for this extensive review of the Panasonic S1. Here my own findings with this camera: I recently purchased the S1 and I am very impressed. I tested the body with a variety of Leica glass (24-90 f/2.8-4.0 SL, 23TL, 18TL) as some adapted Leica M glass through the Leica M adapter L as some Canon glass with the Novoflex adaptor. I even swapped the 24-105 Panasonic L to a Leica CL. My findings so far: Less heavy as the Leica SL with the "kit" lens. The high res viewfinder is even better than the SL viewfinder (regarding resolution) not by far. On both camera's when you are brave/confident enough you can manual focus large aperture lenses without even using the magnification features. I find Panasonic viewfinder a tat more blue than the EVF of the SL (OLED?). Adapting foreign lenses is a viable option but no AF with Canon EOS glass. The Novoflex transmits the focal length (even with zoom lenses) and you can change the f stop. When adapting Canon glass with the same adaptor on the SL sometimes AF works a couple of times than you had to switch to MF/AF so it worked again. My plan is to use Canon tilt shift glass (manual focus). Nikon AF-D (sadly not supported anymore by Nikon mirrorless offerings as the screwdriver motor draws to much power from the camera...) no need for me to purchase a Nikon mirrorless. The Leica M to L adapter does not transmit the M glass 6 bit code, the camera nicely asks you with focal length you are using so it can use this info for exif and the IBIS. Metering works fine even with foreign glass. Using L mount lenses: Leica TL mount glass works on the S1 with decreased resolution (ca 10Mp) as it does with the SL Leica (S)L mount glass works on the S1, even the lens stabilisation seems to work with the camera IBIS. AF speed is a tat faster as the SL (only tested AF-S), some occasional hunting can occur (as with the SL) Image output: The Panasonic S1 output is very nice in JPG as are the RAW files in Lightroom. LR classic/ACR has the inbuild camera profiles in the latest version. The raw files can be severely pushed before disintegrating. In low light the S1 is around one stop better than the Leica SL (from a non scientific standpoint) and you have IBIS. I have the impression I have less CA aberration with adapted glass on the Panasonic (further testing needed). In good light the SL still holds on very well. Regarding AF-C I rarely use it. I still focus my camera's as the Nikon F4. For fast moving stuff I still rely on a DSLR in my case a Nikon D4 in AF-C mode. To my knowledge Panasonic DFD af mode works in the AF-C mode as guessing algorithms are in place. Ergonomics: Although this is very personal... The back rotating switch on top of the camera can have a life on his own. Hence the reason why Panasonic implemented a lock switch! The camera is build to very sturdy standards. The button layout is very well thought out. I had a brief flirt with the G9 a couple of months ago and I liked the layout The tilting screen is a very welcome addition as it enables to take photographs at very low angles. It is even a more discreet option compared to the flippy screens. I am not a videographer so I have no need for a flippy screen and honestly vlogging with this camera unless you consider this part of your workout session... I think they are other offerings available. The menu system follows the Panasonic tradition with an extra layer. Although complex I find it fairly easy to find my way. This camera is complex and I will need several months of use before mastering/tweaking this camera to my needs. As Gordon pointed out this camera eats batteries so I highly recommend an extra one. Still need to fiddle with the in camera power saving options. Do I regret purchasing this camera. No, absolutely not So far it is one of the best mirrorless offerings I have tried out in FF format. What I am currently using: Olympus OM-D M1mkII (m43) Panasonic LX100 (m43) Leica M (FF) yes it is mirrorless as it has an optical viewfinder/rangefinder Leica CL (APS-C) Ricoh GRII Leica SL (FF) Nikon D4 (FF DSLR) Canon 5DMKiv (FF DSLR) I am not going to put a list of previously owned camera's but compared to several other camera's! These are of course my own opinions regarding this camera.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks for all your detailed comments, very interesting, especially about adapting lenses.

[@tomrhardwick]

I'm just intrigued as to why you dish out apostrophes to the plural of cameras but not to photographs.

[@ebreckpo6563]

@@andrethedias Sorry but I am a stills photographer so I am not planning to test the video AF features of this camera.

[@fiddlegrass]

Awesome review, Gordon! You’re one of the best camera guys ever!

[@cameralabs]

Thanks!

[@theboogieknight8279]

@@cameralabs Could you possibly give a brief preview of your video findings, especially compared with the Z6 and A7 III? Better quality? Better in low-light etc? Thank you!

[@cameralabs]

@@theboogieknight8279 I haven't tested the Z6 yet so can't say. As for the S1 video quality, wait for my video!

[@KyleRebar]

This is SO HELPFUL. You clearly explained several functions I've been utterly flummoxed by for months (4k / 6k photo modes) and cleared up some confusion about nebulous stats.

[@cameralabs]

You're vey welcome! I hope you enjoy my other videos too!

[@exploregadgets]

Best review ! All the details we need . Thank you for your effort

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, you're very welcome! Look out for my movie mode review coming soon!

[@TheISiLVERI]

The most sophisticated and full review on this camera I have seen in the internet. Thank you, Gordon!

[@cameralabs]

Thanks!

[@SkylerKing]

I haven't been excited about a new camera for years. As soon as the S1 and S1r were announced, I started checking availability and stashing away cash. I really hope to own the S1r, at some point.

[@JonnyBlueChair]

Me too! Recon I might be able to afford one in ten years time!!

[@coolcat23]

I also think that the S1(R) are the most interesting among the Sony/Nikon/Canon MILC competition. Try the EVF of the Panasonic, though, if you are coming from optical viewfinders. Some people don't mind it, but while it is better than Fuji's EVFs, it still doesn't come close to offering the same direct experience of an OVF.

[@JonnyBlueChair]

I've never used anything but mirrorless. The thought of using a DSLR just seems a massive backwards step to me.

[@Noealz]

Panasonic is pushing way harder than Canon and Nikon does

[@cameralabs]

I think so here.

[@epiieq1]

Body yes, glass, no. At least what's been announced.

[@Filmmaker809]

That EVF is incredible. I played with a S1 and was impressed. Out of my price range like most. I have GH5, thinking of getting a GH5S, but I would be interested in seeing the GH6 in 2020.

[@grumpywiseguy5992]

Personally speaking, I would rather have the rear tilting screen, which keeps the camera view centered on the back of the camera. This camera is obviously not made for Vloggers as a major customer group. The EVF must be incredible with that much resolution. Interesting battery comments. This camera is really competing with the likes of Nikon's D5 and Canon 1DX and the battery capacities of those cameras. This camera must do almost everything better than those systems or there will be little system conversion which I would assume Panasonic is counting on for future sales. With the Leica connection, this is a very premium system cost wise and must reflect that. We are now in a VERY competitive environment in the Pro/Semi Pro marketplace. Every new system has benefits and since Panasonic is last to market, they must do everything better. I don't see enough here to justify moving over and I am not sure I would start with this system. Good review. Regards, from the desert.

[@MichaelGerrard]

Gordon, you are the best camera reviewer. This is the most comprehensive review and very clear. The S1 looks amazing, Panasonic have done a great job for Pros.

[@hakeem-ji]

Great review Gordon, as always. I have pre-ordered S1 and been using it extensively from day one, took it to multiple short trips, and found it very reliable and packed with useful features. Your findings and verdicts are all spot on. Thanks!

[@tomrhardwick]

This video involved a ton of work. A throwaway sentence of yours Gordon, but oh-so-obvious. Excellent. Just what we all needed.

[@carlosmendoza7423]

FINALLY! A review of this camera for the still photographer!

[@cameralabs]

You're welcome!

[@cameralabs]

In-depth review of Panasonic's full-frame mirrorless, the Lumix S1! Check prices at B&H: bhpho.to/2MORySo Buy Gordon a coffee: www.paypal.me/cameralabs Gordon's In Camera book at Amazon: amzn.to/2n61PfI / Amazon uk: amzn.to/2mBqRVZ 1:39 - S1 vs G9, size and weight 2:23 - S1 in your hands, build quality 3:22 - the L-mount alliance and lenses 4:43 - sensor 5:19 - stabilisation, scope mode 7:04 - controls, buttons and dials 8:55 - night mode and backlit buttons 9:36 - customising buttons 9:52 - viewfinder 10:39 - screen 11:42 - touch features 12:22 - menu system 13:05 - ports and connectivity 14:12 - wireless, Wifi, Bluetooth 14:48 - card slots 15:34 - battery 16:18 - burst shooting 17:08 - autofocus modes 17:31 - object tracking and animal detection 19:13 - face tracking 19:45 - wakeboarding 20:11 - birds in flight 21:10 - manual focus / linear focusing 22:10 - image quality 23:07 - High Resolution Mode 25:12 - 6K / 4K Photo modes 29:32 - Hybrid Log Gamma / HLG Photo 30:05 - Lumix S1 vs Sony A7 III noise 30:59 - Lumix S1 vs Lumix S1R noise 31:42 - movie menus / brief overview 32:35 - verdict Filmed with the Sony A6400 and e 24mm: bhpho.to/2CqYrEs Voiceover audio recorded with the Rode NT-USB: bhpho.to/2m8pDAc

[@fourcarb]

Gordon this is the best-and best reasoned-camera review I’ve ever seen. I can’t imagine how many hours you have in this!

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, and in answer to your question, it takes me weeks to put these together!

[@fourcarb]

Gordon Laing I had no doubt! Would love to have the chance to print for you sometime... www.aboutlight.art

[@camerone397]

I just bought one of these used, actually, and this review was part of the reason why. I'm upgrading from my trusty decade-old Canon 6D and I'm hoping that I've found the body and system that can last me another decade. The body and handling features you highlighted are really what ended up selling me on this camera. The large top LCD (can't live without it), the backlit buttons (I love astro stuff), the weatherproofing, the sheer build quality...and lord knows I'm getting an upgrade in specs too. Excited to have some semblance of dynamic range, in-body image stabilization, and, by Canon 6D standards, an autofocus system I can finally trust (no more focus-and-recompose, lol), among so many other features (USB-C charging! Dual card slots! On and on). The EVF being that great when going from OVF to EVF was a concern of mine will also be super nice. Thanks for the review Gordon, it was a great overview. Excited for what the next ten years brings for my kit.

[@cameralabs]

Nice choice! Sigma also has some really good DG DN lenses for the L mount.

[@TheBabyBobot]

Absolutely stupendous review, Gordon! I love how you cover everything, and you keep the fault picking to a minimum and focus more on what the product is actually able to deliver. Many reviewers forget that not a single buyer out there is looking for a magic bullet camera or lens that can achieve aces on all aspects in comparison with other brands and makes, but rather on what the medium of photography is able to allow the device to accomplish from a capability stand point and photographers creativity with the tool. The way I rate a device is on what would be considered its "Bread & Butter", or Very Useable, or Usable, Or Not Usable. That way we focus more on making the most of what makes it shine, and ultimately make us shine as well, and leave the rest of the work to other better cameras or lenses for certain situations and conditions. Keep up the great work. Cheers

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, i try and cover everything fairly and consider as many applications / uses as possible. It's harder work, but I think important if you're a reviewer.

[@mzlphoto945]

Awesome, fair review Gordon! I've purchased and been using a Lumix S1 for landscape photography for a few weeks. I am of the opinion that this is the best 35mm solution for landscape photographers right now, especially if they find themselves in less-than-ideal backcountry weather :) I'll put out a full review for landscape photography after a bit more time with it.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, glad you found it useful, and glad you like the camera too!

[@justinonyt]

L-MOUNT ALLIANCE!✊🏾

[@bjnslc]

Nice. Maybe in a couple of years. For now I'll enjoy my G9 as my preferred compact system camera and my Nikon Z6 with my F-mount lenses and single S-mount zoom. The pricing, especially for the glass on this new system is daunting, and it's fine to talk about a future lens system, but early adopters will have a good wait. The Z6 isn't bad on battery life, and I'm using the menus a lot more that I should in the future. That S1 battery is a beast (as is the camera), but I'll bet the shot count improves with more efficient use of the displays. Frankly the main appeal of the S1 is a more consistent interface compare to my G9. The no-grams-spared body and lens offerings really don't appeal. I do understand that Panasonic is establishing itself as a no-compromise professional camera...except that I know the limitations of DFD and think that falls short of being clearly "best" in FF mirrorless. I hope the system sells well and the line expands to include lenses and bodies I might rationally afford. It's interesting that I got my Panasonic MFT cameras because they borrowed from the UI of Nikon cameras. Now I'd like Nikon to return the favor and model features of Panasonic's UI.

[@mediamannaman]

This is as good as any camera review I have ever seen. Great job! Panasonic may be looking for customers to ship over from other brands, but they may also end up cannibalizing their own M43 customers who want to convert to, or add, full frame capability. To that end, when you compare the S1 image quality to other cameras, it may interest quite a few people to see how it compares to the M43r flagships - the G9, the GH5, and the GH5S.

[@cameralabs]

Yes, that's a good idea, I'll do a G9 comparison.

[@AmaxterPlays]

The initial response to this camera was so strange. Yes, the a7iii is a value king (I own one!) and I know the Nikon system has made a huge leap in video quality with the Z6, but this really does seem like a thoroughly considered, pro-level full frame option from Panasonic with their excellent software and a promising new lens lineup to boot. And that EVF, my is it beautiful! Will be looking forward to see your analysis of AF in the movie part of your review, great video Gordon!

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! Hope you enjoy the movie video coming soon!

[@Kelkschiz]

Great review. Love those focus stacking features.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! Glad you liked the demos...

[@xmlthegreat]

Usually I watch those reviews you do if cameras I can afford. Even though I couldn't ever dream of affording one of these things I have time to waste at the doctor's, so I'll watch it anyway. 40 minutes off Gordon's soothing voice? Sure!

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, i hope you enjoy it!

[@reg171reg]

There’s a lot to like. It needs to be good. I won’t be swapping my Sony for it but there are a few features there I wouldn’t mind. It will interesting to see if the market is willing to invest in (essentially) a new system.

[@cameralabs]

Yes, i think they've done a good job here...

[@GodIsOneNotThree]

I think Panasonic will at some point have to release something similar to the Sony A9, for sports and wildlife. I think for first Gen Full-Frame these cameras seem good. Only slightly weak in continuous auto focus. I am a bit old school and hardly ever use auto focus. Perhaps if I shot Sony I would lol. I am really impressed at the user experience of Panasonic. Such as menus, EVF, button layout and LCD screen. Sensor quality has been really good even on the G9. Great reviews as always.

[@klackon1]

Daniel Cabral. I was looking at from a different point of view: thinking that they need to provide wildlife/sports photographers with suitable lenses. As a group, we are always the last in line for the lenses we require. From what I have seen, Panasonic appear to have produced better offerings than Canon and Nikon. Had I not bought into Sony (A9 and A7III) I would have been interested - lack of suitable glass aside.

[@benpanesar6329]

Excellent review Gordon you've earned yourself a subscriber !

[@2BeLikeChrist]

The Tellytubby was my favorite part of the review, thanks Gordon

[@michalm9199]

Hi Gordon, thank you for excellent review as always. Currently I am deciding between Panasonic G9 and S1. Do you think that it is better choice to pay more for s1 at this time? I am not Pro and will be using camera mainly for walk arounds, travel and some family events. Don’t have any lenses at this time so I will be buying fresh system. Previously I had Sony A7iii, but didn’t like the colors/output that much. I will mostly do small prints time to time and will be using 2k dell monitor for photography with full adobe coverage

[@cameralabs]

I'd say only go for full-frame if you need the high ISO performance and don't mind big, heavy lenses. The G9 is highly under-rated and great value right now, plus there's some fantastic M43 lenses - see my guide at www.cameralabs.com/best-micro-four-thirds-lenses/

[@michalm9199]

Thank you Gordon

[@xradrd]

what camera did you end up with? i'm liking the G9 now since it's back at $1,000....hmmmm

[@fxprocc]

amazing review. love how you actually do what you are talking about. the photostack will be amazing when taking pictures of my little munchkins.

[@v3zMedia]

Gordon if you had a fresh start what camera body would you start with? After being hands on with all of these body's I'd like to know. I'm currently starting fresh myself.

[@cameralabs]

I'm personally satisfied by APSC as I don't shoot a lot of action in low light. So I'd be weighing up models like the Fujifilm X-T3, X-T30, Sony A6400 etc. If I wanted full-frame, the Sony A7 III is hard to beat as an all-rounder.

[@peterbeyerholm]

Nice and thorough review as always Gordon - great job. It looks like a superb camera for pros, but for me the G9 is more alluring due to the lower price and weight (especially for the entire system).

[@cameralabs]

Yes, the interesting thing for me was hold the G9 during this review and finding it so much smaller and lighter - it's great value right now too.

[@Reyfox1]

Love the G9 and what it can do. And the size/weight factor is what got me to M43 (and 4K video).

[@kimrandall5349]

Gordon what a GREAT WONDERFUL review!! I have this S1, and in my mind it blows away any Sony A7 FF body I have owned so far, in so many ways that are important for PHOTOGRAPHY, Thank you. I just LOVE the image quality out of this S1 and for me vs my prior Sonys, and even a Nikon D750 I had, I just WANT to use THIS Panasonic S1..Unlike the Sonys or Nikon. I guess that's subjective, but this S1 really connects with me. You did a super GREAT job explaining all the features and benefits here. This camera has been out about two weeks now and so far Dr Northrup and his bride, Jared Fro knows nada?, even the DP guys Chris and Jordan who I do enjoy very much, have not even mentioned anything about this great camera here in you-tube land. YET, soon as the Canon EOS R, and the Nikon Zeds came out these guys had reviews out in minutes. Meh! T. Northrup had already bad mouthed these new Pannys WAY back, without even having one in hand, or with final firmware. And mostly about the darn video capabilities vs contrast focus...does every photographer HAVE to be a video guy TOO..who cares!! I believe he said THEN to just SKIP these Panasonics.....NUTS! They so far have missed THIS Panasonic FF boat which are THE most exciting FF camera(s) to come out VS Sony, and even if they do finally do a review on this S1 or S1R, I can't see anyone's review being as in depth and neutral as your review here. WELL DONE, and Thanks...I owe you a coffee! :)

[@cameralabs]

Thanks Kim, I agree it's critical to find a camera that connects with you, or you simply won't want to use it, even if it has the best features.

[@bobhanuman65]

does this support the XLR 1 adapter? Any experience tethering to Lightroom?

[@mmike855]

It does!

[@bobhanuman65]

@@mmike855 Awesome, I just learned how to sync Lightroom Classic and Lightroom CC which I use.

[@SebastianForssman]

29:47 - How did you swap between non HLG photo and HLG photo and keep the birds at the exact same place? Did ju just use a mask to simulate the effect?

[@coolcat23]

Judging from your comments, you'd really like the Pentax K-1 (II), apart from its heft (which I like very much). It has excellent ergonomics, fantastic build quality, and a back LCD screen with more degrees of freedom. I tried the S1(R) viewfinders and while they are better than Fuji's, they are still no match for an optical viewfinder even at the battery-hungry 120Hz setting. Panasonic came close to making a really good camera, but there are some weird decisions like enabling super quick adjustments to the viewfinder display size, but making it much slower to adjust viewfinder brightness. That's just backwards.

[@gonzaloleviatanh]

Although this camera is not for me, I love they are raising the bar. I wonder what is going to be the next generation of Sony and Nikon cameras.

[@AmaxterPlays]

Yeah, I never understood people's apathy towards this camera. The EVF alone is a huge quality of life improvement that I hope Sony and co. adopt quickly. My eyes hurt looking through the A7iii screen door :(

[@AmaxterPlays]

I'm Jack's Nipples referring to the high res viewfinder on the S1 vs the pixelated one on the a7iii

[@whoisvahid]

Curved sensors.

[@toxictabasco]

That is one awesome FF camera. Great comprehensive review. You really know your Lumix cameras.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! I try and find out everything I can about a camera before I make an in-depth review.

[@joachim1717]

In 2024, Lumix S1 and S5 are the most underrated cameras on the fullframe camera market. I bought both, the S1 for 1100€ and the S5 for 800€. Now you have also a very good variety of lenses. My favourite kit for nature and landscape is the S1 with Sigma‘s 14-24, 24-70 and 105 macro. I use the S5 mostly as my all day camera with the 24 and 50mm 1.8 Lumix prime lenses. This is a very lightweight, but still a professional and weathersealed combo.

[@cameralabs]

Sigma's knocking it out the park with lenses right now - hope you also saw my 28-105 review!

[@helloianzakharov]

What a gorgeous review!

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! What a gorgeous comment, much appreciated!

[@martinsmyth5580]

Great review Gordon as always.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks Martin!

[@justyjust]

I'm looking for a camera to start doing fashion photography I been looking at the EOS R and the S1, the S1 has everything but I have a gut feeling I should invest in canon glass even though the EOS R isn't up to scratch. What's your thoughts much appreciated, also I can get a steal ofa price for the S1 £1300. Thanks

[@BlissfulGardening15]

It's definitely the best camera I've used. I came from Canon 5DIV, 6D and EOS R. Also played with Sony A7III, A7RIII and A9 but I didn't like it.

[@cameralabs]

Did you buy one?

[@BlissfulGardening15]

Gordon Laing yes I pre-ordered it. Got it with free battery, grip and 3 years extended warranty

[@BlissfulGardening15]

@@cameralabs also regarding the battery life - Panasonic S1 has 5.76 million dot EVF vs 2.36 on A7III, 2.1 million dot LCD vs 900k on Sony, IBIS seems better too. There are battery saver options available if battery life is a concern

[@SuperDigitalMe]

Hi Gordon, the A7RIV or the S1R? Which one would you choose for photography? The lumix colors are also nice out of the box...

[@cameralabs]

If you need continuous AF for video or stills, the Sony is better

[@SuperDigitalMe]

@@cameralabs No i dont need that....

[@thefocalcode]

And these days , this camera can do 5K 10 bit internally and 4:22 10 bit 4K 60P Externally! all this with a 47mp too.

[@momchilyordanov8190]

Why did they kill the swiveling screen? :( That is one of my favorite features on any camera.

[@CallMeChato]

Momchil Yordanov Many professional photographers prefer to see the image as an extension of where the sensor is and not off to the side. And it’s less fussy flipping up and down. It makes the camera feel and behave like a studio camera which is also preferable for many.

[@JoeMaranophotography]

@@CallMeChato I much prefer the screen on my g80 than gx80 to be honest although its personal preference of course.

[@kahvac]

It's nice to have a bigger body that I can actually grasp properly..Thank you Panasonic !

[@TheRitualChannel]

One of my favorite thing about the S1/S1R is the hefty size of the camera. It feels like a rugged tool without compromises. I'm wishing Sony and Nikon would take a hint with their mirrorless bodies.

[@cameralabs]

Exactly, it may not be for me size-wise, but I know a lot of people who'll prefer it.

[@jeffrypalempung9628]

The Ritual Channel i have sense that Canon , Nikon , and Sony wouldn’t dare to make a bigger body than their own DSLR / SLT , especially Sony , while Panasonic no need to be so ashamed to make a big body than its rivals ,because Panasonic doesn’t have a history of FF DSLR body to compete with😅😅😅

[@cameralabs]

@@jeffrypalempung9628 yes, I think Canon and Nikon will stick with their current mirrorless sizes until they begin to discontinue various DSLR categories.

[@TheRitualChannel]

@@jeffrypalempung9628 if you blind folded a bunch of pro photogs, and had them hold a Z7, EOS R, A9 and S1R, most of them would probably prefer the S1R. It's sad that Canon and Nikon would not try this test to understand one of their core markets. Most of the professional shooters are males with larger hands, want direct button control, and would welcome a larger battery that becomes a possibility with a larger body. Maybe even better IBIS. I mean they must understand this rite? D5 and 1DX are large for a reason. So give pros a larger mirrorless body, PLEASE.

[@jeffrypalempung9628]

The Ritual Channel Yes , i believe Its just a matter of time for Panasonic Lumix to make 1Dx or D5 type of body to fill the need of sport and wildlife photography but they need to fixed the autofocus capability first . In several points of photography, Panasonic has nailed it ; form factor body & ergonomic button , EVF ,color , dual card slot , video specs , class leading touchscreen. Btw Gordon , have you tested the Lumix Pro 50mm, F1.4 ? I just watched a quick review from a guy in New Zealand said ; “this glass is like an Otus 55 with an AF motor “.😅😅😅. If that’s sound really good , I’m willing to purchase the Lumix 50mm f1.4 pro without hesitation.

[@rdfilms.]

This camera is a BEAST!!!

[@stevelink21]

Very thorough, detailed review of the S1, Gordon... thank you! As a landscape and product photographer currently using the Fuji X-System, I'm strongly considering going FF because I print large posters, and though my X-T3 with some very sharp Fujinon XF lenses does give good results at 24" x 36", I believe that I could get even better (sharper/more detailed) prints with a FF System. My big conundrum, is deciding between the S1 with the 24-105 f/4 Macro, OR the Nikon Z7 System...although after your video, I now think the S1 (with the High Resolution Mode) would serve me well, and having several more features than the Z7, including the superb Lumix/Sigma/Leica lens options! Thanks again!

[@ryanbanyumili1511]

I want to ask, Is the Panasonic Lumix S1 camera can record using the remote focus Heden?

[@chcomes]

So it seems like the photo C-AF for moving objects is better than Canon (bc of speed) and Nikon (accuracy) mirrorless? Is this right or something was lost in translation? Side comment: the sony video AF was pretty terrible in this video, almost never the right spot was in focus, very distracting. No pumping though.

[@cameralabs]

I thought the Sony video AF was good, any inaccuracies were where I told it to focus. It's quite hard when you're presenting, handling and filming all with one person.

[@chcomes]

@@cameralabs Yeah, I thought it may be that. Anyway great review, great production value too as usual

[@jimsjourney3926]

Lovely review as always, it's quite the camera. the flip out touch screen looks a joy and if I ever upgrade my Panasonic G3, this is the one thank you.

[@cameralabs]

You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it!

[@royack]

Great video! look at min 29:29 the image stacking doesn't look good because of the Bokeh difference. I really don't understand why no one is bothered by the funky feeling buttons especially the shutter button which feels so mushy... Too bad its contrast only sensor, it maybe great for photos, but I assume that in video the hunting will be annoying as f...

[@cameralabs]

Yes you're right about that stacking example, but then to be fair, other stacking software would face similar restrictions. As for the video AF, look out for my upcoming video, it's better than you might expect.

[@royack]

@@cameralabs Yea, I'm sure it happens in different software as well... It's obvious why. What is your opinion about the buttons feel? Especially the shutter release button just isn't tactile and its very mushy and kinda annoying... For example, the shutter button on the EOS R is great if my memory serves me right...

[@cameralabs]

@@royack I actually thought the buttons were good, but I realise it's a personal thing. Canon is normally good at that too.

[@royack]

@@cameralabs Ok, thanks man! keep up the great work!

[@mikldude9376]

Great in depth review sir .

[@GregThurtle]

thanks again Gordon for a thorough review and always good to see brighton and it's seagulls. I do love what panasonic are doing with their full frame mirrorless lineup - much more mature than nikon or canon's releases. I do hope the choice to stick the DFD won't hurt them with CAF - in single shot it's great on my g9! Fingers crossed the mirrorless market remains competitive

[@cameralabs]

Thanks Greg, DFD keeps getting better, I did a video focus pull with the 50mm f1.4 for my upcoming movie mode video and it looks really good.

[@dontipton4570]

Thanks, completely understand. Appreciate your excellent content!!

[@robertsoucy9725]

Gordon,what USB cable are you using with the Atomos?

[@DennisKapatos]

Gordon, your review are seriously thorough - a benchmark for sure. I love all these smart unique features, but I think a lot of people really want raw image files. Also, I am curious to see how reliable the focusing is in more challenging scenarios (such as shallower depth of field and quicker moving subjects).

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! I'll be doing more tests with faster subjects and longer lenses soon.

[@clifftotten7609]

I absolutely LOVE my S1.....as a video camera. I got this almost entirely as a compact 10bit camcorder. I desperately waiting on the VLog upgrade as it can't come fast enough. I have to say though, I can't see Panny stealing many Canon, Nikon and Sony photographers. I just dont see phase detect photographers leaving their AF in large numbers in favor of contrast detect AF. On the video side?....this camera has no equal today!!!

[@clifftotten7609]

@SwitchRich - I seriously doubt the A7-III will have a global shutter. Global shutter sensors add more heat problems and they have less dynamic range than rolling shutter sensors do. Even the Sony Venice, which is their flagship CineAlta camera uses a rolling shutter. If the A7-III has a rolling shutter, you'd be looking at 12 stops of dynamic range and 5 min recording time. BTW...judging by the people I talked to at NAB last week, it's looking VERY likely now that the S1 will have 12 raw over HDMI later this year.

[@clifftotten7609]

@SwitchRich I think Sony will match the S1 with an A7S-III that does 4k 60p and will have 10bit color. I think Panny will force them to also have raw over HDMI too. I think Sony will go with a new 12mp BSI sensor that will beat the S1's 24mp Sony sensor,....but only doing so in the highest extreme ISO values. The A7S-III will lack 6k to 4k oversampling as its trade off. All in all, its going to be a stale mate. A7S-III's Sony sensor vs another S1 Sony sensor.

[@clifftotten7609]

Lastly,...I believe that the S1's magnesium body size today and its ability to handle heat is FAR superior to the current "small" Sony A7 body style. The S1 might force Sony to match Panny's larger body to be 10bit 4k, 60p competitive.

[@clifftotten7609]

@SwitchRich - My guess is that Sony A7S-III will have the better auto focus but the S1 will always have the more powerfull sensor stabilisation. (L mount is larger and gives much more sensor float space) they will both have the same 4k, 60p and 10bit specs. They will both have equally excellent image quality with both having great Sony sensors. It will be VERY hard for Sony to significantly beat the S1 in any catagory. They will be fairly equal in most cases. We'll find out at IBC in the fall.

[@clifftotten7609]

@SwitchRich - You might remember that when the E Mount system was developed, it was only an APS-C sized sensor. Years later, when Sony decided to go full frame, there was a great debate if full frame was even possible at all. Eventually is was confirmed that it could work but that full frame sensor is PACKED into that mount space pretty tightly. Today, Sony has the weakest, by far, of the sensor stabilization camera. Micro 4/3's have quite a bit of room to move and now, so does the S1. I just believe that Sony's are such a tight fit that they can quickly move outside their image circle if they move very far. I guess the proof is in the pudding.

[@PK-ql5en]

Gordon is the bulb mode programmable on this camera like on some Canon ones? Can I set up the time in bulb mode - e.g I want the shutter to stay open for 2 min can I program it to shut itself after that time?

[@cameralabs]

No sadly not.

[@PK-ql5en]

Gordon Laing that’s a pity. Thank you for your reply.

[@Serenoj69]

Very nice to see Panny doing this really well. Won't get me out of my m43 heaven and hoping some of its features will find their way in the G9 mark II (especially the EVF) but also the better HiRes mode (correcting ofr movement to some degree).

[@cameralabs]

Yes, I'll do more tests on the movement correction of the high res mode.

[@Oculus729]

Excellent comprehensive review. One question. There has been some reporting the S1 includes an exposure ramping function for us time lapse, light to dark, shooters. Is this rumor true? Thanks.

[@cameralabs]

I'm afraid I've not looked into that aspect of it yet, but I will next time I try them!

[@Oculus729]

@@cameralabs thanks for replying. That is more than most do. I look forward to your future answer.

[@MacM545]

Quite an interesting camera, and a thorough, informative video

[@jan-martinulvag1962]

Gorden, I have taken 30 000 pictures in Lofoten last year with the fuji X-T100 only jpegs and because its over sharp in camera and creates strange shapes when zooming in a lot I keep sharpness on minus one and I wish I could set it to minus 1.5 cos its still annoying. Sony a5100 is lovely all the way in and M100 too. This is making me wonder if I should buy an S1 and forget about fuji. How do you deal with the oversharpeing? I love the XF10 so much but I keep it on minus 2. I ask because I know you shoot jpegs and you seam to like Panasonic a lot. The LX100 is the only Panasonic I have. Maybe X-T3 is better? I only have the X-T1 and its kind of mushy compared to X-T100. Is the S1 one of the best for landscapes only jpegs?

[@cameralabs]

The S1 is pretty old now, I can't remember much about it. All my files on reviews are with default settings, so you can compare and evaluate. It's only rumours, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a replacement in the next 6-12 months

[@jan-martinulvag1962]

@@cameralabs I just learned it has no aa filter

[@cameralabs]

@@jan-martinulvag1962 I don't recall, but you can still download any of my samples for a look if you like. If they bring out a new one, the price on the old one will fall more, but I bet you can still get a good price on it at the moment as it's getting on in modern camera terms. Loads of great L mount lenses from Sigma now too.

[@mohandassuraj]

Wow ! this seems like a really well thought out pro camera body . Thank you for the review Gordon. has anyone tried using canon lenses with an adapter on this body ?

[@cameralabs]

I have not, sorry!

[@MotoRich900]

I see they took the Night Mode from the Pentax K-1ii playbook

[@carlo_5mcc]

I´m waiting for more sample vídeos . thanks for your great work .

[@OxKing]

Finally someone is doing clever software things on real cameras like smartphones do in photos. It may take 10 years until Canon will do stuff like this, if they ever will. -.-

[@vc6218]

Best camera I have ever used. That is coming from a longtime Nikon/Sony user.

[@GregBlock1]

Great review! Looking forward to the video features review. I have a question for you. Are you able to set the SS/Gain Operation to Angle/ISO?

[@cameralabs]

That's a great question and I'll find out for sure for my movie mode video. I've just had a quick look in the menus and it's not obvious yet...

[@dudidorham]

what an amazing review! thank you very much!

[@RichardBO9]

Exhaustive and informative review. Thanks for your efforts. Does the information on the screen flip when you use the portrait orientation?

[@cameralabs]

That's a great question and I'm annoyed to say I can't remember if it does! I don't think it does, but I'll check and report back the next time I have one in my hands...

[@MotoRich900]

Is it built and weather sealed like a Pentax K--1ii. doubtful...can it be washed in a sink or dropped in a river and still work?

[@MotoRich900]

WTH would I need a speed card for landscape?? Pentax image quality is way better than Nikon, get your facts right @N. D.

[@raredreamfootage]

When the rear LCD's brightness is set to the brightest setting, does it automatically dim?

[@cameralabs]

No I think if you set it manually, it stays at that level. But you'd have to check, mine's gone back now.

[@saiiiiiii1]

How is the eye af compared to Fuji and Sony when taking portraits?

[@cameralabs]

I thought it was comparable at mid to close distances. Sony wins at longest distance. Have a look at my S1R sample images where the one of me used eye detection with the 50mm f1.4: www.cameralabs.com/panasonic-lumix-s1r-review/3/

[@dontipton4570]

Would be great to get a short updated review now that several firmware updates have been released.

[@cameralabs]

It could be interesting, but this is getting on now and I'd expect a new version in the next year. The next Panasonic video I'll do is the S5 IIx, which is already a year late for me!

[@DmitryBrodsky007]

Gordon when you say it is the best build camera , do you also include Leica SL in your pool Of cameras? I recently shot with SL and can’t imagine anything come close to its build and weather proofness. On a side note I’ve seen used SL bodies down to $2800 in the US. Of course it’s been out for 3.5 years ....

[@cameralabs]

Good point, no I've not formally compared it to the SL. I've briefly used the SL and yes, it's also a tank!

[@Wistbacka]

Can you not angle the screen to the left?

[@alantuttphotography]

Great review! Very well done. This seems to be ALMOST perfect. Was very surprised at how noisy the shutter is. Sounds as loud as a mirror clapping about. This could be a dealbreaker on this camera.

[@cameralabs]

There is a silent shutter too.

[@alantuttphotography]

@@cameralabs True, and thanks for reminding me. So far, the only examples of that I've seen have been where folks have pointed out the banding issues with the silent shutter mode, so I'm not sure if that's usable either.

[@TheUlitamateStunt]

If this camera has proven anything to me, is that there's no such thing as a perfect camera. What other people see as damning faults, I am indifferent to; what others are indifferent to, I find stumbling blocks. Love the tilty screen. Love the weight. DFD? Aaaah! Why'd they use LCD over OLED? So many interesting compromises.

[@basic-decaf]

Great features, but they can't offset the poor resolution. Waiting for Sigma's FF Foveon which was pushed to next year.

[@findbinnu]

With DFD being proprietary to Panasonic, does that mean you have to buy their lenses exclusively, if you want good AF? Or will ART lenses get DFD protocols?

[@TheUlitamateStunt]

It seems to be a little cloudy at the moment, but since Sigma are technically a first party, I think their L-mount lenses will support DFD.

[@cameralabs]

I asked that question but don't have an answer yet. On the one hand, DFD works best when the lenses are profiled, BUT I've had great AF performance with Olympus MFT lenses on Lumix G bodies. Time will tell.

[@chcomes]

@@cameralabs There was an official answer- native lenses will be profiled into DFD. How well the motors will then work is however to be seen-

[@NoName-rg3np]

@@TheUlitamateStunt considering they are part of this so called L mount alliance I hope Sigma has the protocols...

[@cameralabs]

@@chcomes yes, and it has to be said, Sigma's lenses aren't the fastest at focusing. BUT they do offer fantastic optical quality for the money.

[@unoengborg]

Also supported by the latest version of Capture One Pro

[@andrear9500]

Love your long reviews. I wanted to give you 5 thumbs up but it is not possible. thank you very much.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

[@LuisGomez-ui2xj]

will they use GH5 lenses? adapter? Great video!

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! No, sadly you can't adapt MFT lenses for them, but even if you could, they'd only use a small part in the middle of the sensor and produce very low res images.

[@timbosys]

Thank you for the review. Looks like and awesome camera.

[@cameralabs]

You're welcome!

[@Voodoo_Nation]

Hi and thanks for this amazing video, When will we see the video for the movie capabilities? I do have to say I do love my Lumix S1, but I like to learn more about video capabilities and AF and make the handheld stabilization a bit better, its very shaky doing handheld video

[@cameralabs]

I'm working on it now, so hopefully in about a week.

[@Voodoo_Nation]

@@cameralabs I do have to say I do love my Lumix S1, but I like to learn more about video capabilities and AF and make the handheld stabilization a bit better, its very shaky doing handheld video

[@itanijewelers3419]

thank you Gordon

[@tebitan3780]

How far away is the Eye / Face Detection working? On G9 the subject couldn't be farther than 2 m away, so about 3x worse than Sony A7 III for ex.

[@cameralabs]

You can see how far in the face tracking part of the video. I think the Sony identifies the face and eye from further away.

[@tebitan3780]

@@cameralabs If I could have seen that properly, I would have not asked. In video it seems to be from quite a small distance away.

[@cameralabs]

@@tebitan3780 the thing is to compare the size of my face on the screen before the detection kicks-in compared to other cameras. I'd say it's better than Canon but not as good as Sony.

[@tebitan3780]

@@cameralabs Thanks for reply.

[@rameshpathania9207]

Excellent Review

[@noonsound4894]

Super review...👍👍

[@marklaurendet1861]

Nice review, looks like a good camera. I like the fact that they did not include a flippy screen, better for stills and general use, to me anyway.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! And yes, as much as I like flip screens, this design is faster for general use.

[@Photographicelements]

Hey Gordon! Wow long video, but not TL;DR! Thank you for not adding filler like other channels. I watched the entire video and still could watch more. I look forward to the S1 video features and S1R upcoming videos.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! Yes, MUCH more to come!

[@JoeMaranophotography]

I am guessing its heavy! I could see how much you were shaking moving the camera around in the establishing shots! I don't think FF is necessary but if I did (or if I was making silly money from photography) this would be a consideration for sure.

[@codyrobinson22]

So S1 doesn't have any crop when taking photos just 4k 50/60p crop-what about 24p crop or no crop?

[@PhotoVideoTechOz]

No crop @30p or below

[@ToastandJam52]

Once again Gordon, an excellent review. However, even if I could afford it (which I can't) I don't feel inspired to get one. I am extremely happy with my G80/85. It does just about everything I need in a camera and lots of other things that I will probably never use.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks! I'm still fond of the G80 / G85...

[@JoeMaranophotography]

G80 is a fantastic camera! I adore mine but the G9 will be my next camera. That thing will do everything I want apart from the pro video stuff which I don't really need to be honest.

[@cameralabs]

@@JoeMaranophotography The G9 does have great video too though, I use it for 4k 60p all the time!

[@JoeMaranophotography]

@@cameralabs Oh yes of course! Not sure how well my current PC would handle that though :) The V-LOG would be nice but to be honest I have been filming in natural rather than cinelike D of late as its shoot and edit and a lot quicker. Besides is anyone on KZbin *really* going to see that I graded the Cine D and gained a tiny amount of extra DR?

[@vhc7764]

Great review as always! The XQD prices are ridiculous and xxxx is gouging consumers IMHO. Is Lumix planning a firmware update to allow the use of a C-Fast or something similar in the XQD slot?

[@cameralabs]

I'm not sure, but I hope so.