Fulgrim - Primarch of Being Down Bad

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[@Plague_Crow]

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[@axellenhart7890]

Ok now do a Bad Dragon sponsor for the Vulkan video

[@GYPHIST]

​@@Plague_Crowhe's covering a pretty degenerate primarch

[@wisecup2]

I thought you were joking? How is this not against the user guidelines? Lmao

[@1234kalmar]

Collin is the Chaos God of Ungiven Fucks, The Prince of "Horny On Main", and I can't help but appreciate this fact.

[@SandmanofTerra]

The use of an Adam and Even sponsorship in a Fulgrim/Emperor's Children video is quite frankly the best "YouTubing" I have ever seen

[@Crunckey]

Too tame for fulgrim, should be advertising a pringles can filled with fire ants

[@PhilosophicallyAmerican]

I was waiting for the punchline to hit and it never did.

[@lordofgnomes1230]

Not even gonna skip the ad the presentation is so based

[@lemont953]

The only Problem ... 40K Fans only get f+cked by GW

[@Night_Haunter]

Ironic - the senate

[@free_at_last8141]

"You can't just have your Primarchs announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!" - Angron

[@jarlathquinn2628]

So his usual emotion

[@chillyavian7718]

@@jarlathquinn2628no, there’s hate, anger, -guilt- and petulant anger

[@Lunch_Meat]

Am now imagining Philip Fry with the robot devil's hands as Ferris Manus. This lore is as lousy as it is brilliant.

[@Uranium-jj7le]

IIRC TTS never gave Angron a voice so I shall Imagine the Voice of Angron to be Skarbrand's voice

[@momon969]

@@Lunch_Meat And now I'm imagining Zoidberg as Fabius Bile. It's pretty great.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

Fun Fact: On that croneworld mentioned in the video, the very first noise marine, and a fairly high-ranking officer of the 3rd legion, a guy by the name of Marius Vairosean, was killed by a deaf Iron Hands Terminator named Ignatius Numen, who had lost his hearing on Istvaan. Marius hit Numen with that Lord Commander Eidolon scream and knocks him on his ass, then Numan shrugs it off, stands back up, charges his Volkite cannon to max power and yells in a manner so typical of the classic old-man-with-shitty-hearing-aids archetype, "WHAT?! I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH THAT!" And then erases Space Marine Skrillex from the face of the galaxy.

[@oscarainekeane]

That was a good book, but might I point out that sonic weapons kill by pulverising your body with kinetic waves. Not being able to hear won't somehow stop that from happening?

[@ncrvako]

​@@oscarainekeaneorc logic: he didn't knew that, because he did not heard that fact..

[@kevlonk]

​@@oscarainekeaneMaybe not, but I imagine that the sonic weapons do cause a lot of sensory overload initially: as this Iron Hand wasnt affected, he was able to return fire and kill Marius before the kinetic force could build up to a point where it could kill him.

[@jamesmacken9501]

It should be noted that Marius sonic weapon was damaged and unusable at the time and that his scream is no where near Eidolon tier, Eidolons will break through ceremite and send landspeeders out of the air while Marius' will only disorientate his enemies.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@jamesmacken9501 Marius’s sonic scream killed a few members of Numen’s squad. It’s pretty damn close to Eidolon tier.

[@ocularorb4021]

how do people not understand that purturabo enjoyers love him for his unbearable personality

[@Hugme778]

If he had long ears pancr would love perty

[@zeppelincraft1443]

Peter Turbo has absolutely strong moments that wins your heart for the lord of Iron.

[@ngmajora6986]

I love him because he gradually and then rapidly realizes how fucking stupid his brothers are for joining Chaos and is just like "Guess this is my life now"

[@redrumssam5888]

I love his compotency

[@thewerdna]

Indeed. I like Peter Turbo because he's such a shitty person. He is so unlikeable he circles back around to being likeable

[@levongevorgyan6789]

I feel like Magnus' breaking point wasn't that Propsero was destroyed, it was Leman Russ using his Wulfen to do it. That was when he took the to the field. Magnus knew there were no Wolves on Fenris, that these creatues were mutant human settlers, that the Wulfen were Space Marines who succumbed to this mutation. This was what outraged him. Psycher powers may have been recently banned by the Emperor, but Mutants were always excoriated. And yet the Vylka Fenrika was using mutants for war just like he had used psychic powers. He came to the realization that Prospero and his legion were not anymore deserving of extermination then Fenris and the Wolves by the Emperor's own standards. That when push came to shove, Leman was no more loyal to the precepts of the Imperium then Magnus himself was. That is why he fought, I believe.

[@toastle8005]

And that’s makes it a really compelling fight, and one of the most unique settings in the Heresy’s events ...OR IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, GAMES WORKSHOP WRITERS, YOU SCHIZOPHRENIC WANKERS All jokes aside, so much opportunity has been wasted and mishandled...

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@toastle8005 GW: "Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?" They ditched the concept of the anchorite. Even to these days GW still fumble with their story ideas.

[@Robb1977]

@@minhducnguyen9276 40k is like star wars. the lore is never consistent, everyone hates it, the new stuff is flashy but alot of people prefer the grit and simplicity of the old style, its running on nostaglia and the fact if anyone tried anything similar with better cohesion itd be "ripping off" the brand. its run by a company that cares more about money and getting its fans to buy overpriced trash.... and yet its fans stay loyal.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@Robb1977 Even when the new stuff is nice, they throw it away for no reason or half ass it. One must imagine 40k fans be happy.

[@Robb1977]

@@minhducnguyen9276 same with star wars. i know plenty of people hated the alot of the character changes they made, but they could have proven to be interesting arcs if they didnt throw them away due to fan backlash. we kinda live in this setting where nobody wants the new thing with its own lore... but artists dont like the confines of the thing theyre making. so you get lore breaks every time because its not one cohesive vision. im a 40k lore fan, with little or no interest in the tabletop game. I just like sci fi, bleak settings, and fantasy, and imagine some of GWs writers feel similarly, and it can only be made worse by the company dictating how the story has to go.

[@PolishNomad95]

If I remember correctly, the source for Fulgrim playing Sims for 10 millenium comes from the Fabius Bile books. I remember some passage about how there are literal mountains of corpses on his demon world that are the bodies of all his discarded "actors"

[@toastle8005]

Oh that’s hilariously in-character

[@johnquach8821]

So he is Graystillplays of 40k (who also has a tendency to pile up the bodies in Sims or City Skylines)

[@nowhereman6019]

Fulgrim was one of the very best Primarchs, and his fall to Slaanesh is indeed a fall in the worst sense of the word.

[@games_hi]

Don't lie to yourself!

[@heliosjollywolf9552]

the dude was the biggest moron in 40K history

[@Defeateddragon]

Less a fall and more of a step down

[@zeppelincraft1443]

He even respected normal humans if they had skills and had a whole band of remembrancers.

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

@@zeppelincraft1443 so the iron warriors had a guardsmen army that was made from his home plants arms and population, so did the emperors children have the same? What about the other legions

[@timmytheevil]

Okay, I'm gonna come to the defense of Fulgrim with the Laer Blade. Eldrad Ulthran and an entire delegation of Eldar sat across the table from Fulgrim, with the Laer Blade sheathed at his hip, and it took him their entire conversation to even notice the thing. That thing had a bound Keeper of Secrets in it, enough of a shard of Slaanesh that we use the term "shard of Slaanesh" to describe it. That daemon, on its own, could probably have toppled entire stellar empires through seduction and corruption. Fulgrim never stood a chance. With the possible exceptions of Mangus, Russ and Lorgar, I'm not sure any primarch would've stood a chance.

[@rev0568]

Potentially Guill. He's got enough of a screwed on head that I feel he'd be capable of resisting it.

[@timmytheevil]

Maybe Gulliman, depending on how close he got to the "action" in the temple. I could see it going either way.. Mortarian should be on the list of no go's too, now that I think about it. @@rev0568

[@zeppelincraft1443]

@@rev0568 Or Dorn. Dorn: "One does not fornicate..." Keeper of Secret: "I CAN'T STAND THIS BLOCKHEAD"

[@THENemesisXX99]

Well that may work for after he picks up the sword but definitely not before.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

That's just bad writing my dude 😅

[@execalibur4293]

Being down bad isn't a choice, it's a lifestyle

[@heboric6136]

God damn right

[@markhalm9889]

a calling if you will

[@jonathanathor117]

white hair: check handsome: check zesty: check Fulgrim is the lightskin primarch

[@vicentetemes5793]

Fulgrim's interesting because he really is the only Primarch who had absolutely zero experience in warfare by the time the Emperor pulled up.

[@Haispawner]

I'm guessing Fulgrim was an extremely quick learner even for Primarch standards (revolutionized the entire Chemos factory setup/schedules, without being Guilliman) but probably had really bad intuition, just accepting things at face value. He looked at the Emperor's grand presence for like 1 minute and uncritically allied himself, and the whole super chaos sword that somehow corrupted him.

[@kimmogensen4888]

@@Haispawner A Keeper of Secrets is a highly intelligent creature, a being whose silvered words and languid gestures belie its true power. It is claimed these are the most entrancing of all immortals, and that to look upon one is to surrender every last shred of self-will. A Greater Daemon of Slaanesh knows the most intimate desires of every mortal being, and will use this horrific knowledge to gain power over its foes, seducing them with whispered promises they cannot hope to resist. 🤗

[@kimmogensen4888]

@@Haispawner in the Laer Blade was a Keeper of Secrets

[@Freedmoon44]

Even more interesting because that also mean he is the only Primarch who didnt need any martial skiĺl whatsoever to conquer his planet, dude truly was the most charismatic primarch. Instead of a legion he shouldve been given a delegation, to be the voice of the Emperor and the one who reforms the greatness of humanity where the Emperor is busy with the greater threat

[@lousy7580]

A sex shop selling to a Warhammer audience is like selling soccer cleats to land mine victims - it feels more like mocking than anything

[@kanderson772]

Lmao!

[@The_Crimson_Fucker]

Better to have and not to need than to need and never have....which could be taken several ways given the audience.

[@eonnephilim852]

tbf you don't need to have sex to use sex toys, you can use them to masturbate lol

[@eonnephilim852]

tbf you don't need to have sex to use sex toys, you can use them to masturbate lol

[@ThewarriorDraganta]

That is just fantastic!

[@sirunklydunk8861]

Say what you want about him being a Khorne worshipper, but at least Angron had a legitimate reason to betray the Emperor

[@calebbarnhouse496]

Angron unironically has the best reasoning for his actions, but then he becomes nothing but a rage monster with no personality, agency, or interests in anything except violence

[@cookiecraze1310]

​@@calebbarnhouse496the fact that he actually had the option of having the spikes removed removes all sympathy I had for him. If GW had written it so that he couldn't have them removed or the Emperor tried without Angron knowing but own made it worse he would have been so much better.

[@RorikH]

@@cookiecraze1310 What? I've heard repeatedly that the nails were taking up way too much of his nervous system to ever be removed. Is this some brand-new retcon?

[@Wormy_fren]

​@@RorikHI honestly don't know. The fandom itself seems to split both claims. With the nervous system argument apparently being the one which is true.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

@@cookiecraze1310 as far as I'm aware the only one able to remove them was the emperor and he just didn't want to try it, either because it would take to long, or he might die, I don't even know if he gave angron the option to try it

[@logangrimnar3800]

Never forget that Fulgrim defeated Ferrus because Ferrus chose a giant plumbers wrench 18:42 as his primary weapon. I dont care what the books say, the art depicts him with a wrench.

[@Hugme778]

Goddamn fulgrim won the battle but ferrus won our hearts

[@killerflamingo9566]

I completely forgot about that picture thank you

[@ironduke5058]

I often wonder what the artists had going through his head drawing that at the time, then I get angry and have to stop thinking. A damn plumbers wrench, on bloody Istvaan V lmao cmon man

[@killerflamingo9566]

@@ironduke5058 this was really on in the heresy novels

[@logangrimnar3800]

@ironduke5058 I guess the artist was told "ferrus likes machines" and he went from there.

[@johnquach8821]

Fulgrim had one of the most tragic Traitor Primarch falls. The perfect clone could have been a redemption of sorts, but is now locked in the collection of Trazyn and no one can use that.

[@rev0568]

Nah. That's chekovs gun to the extreme. It's gonna get used at some point.

[@Grimsowerart]

​@@rev0568the guy who wrote about it no longer works for gw

[@myonlyfriendtheend4958]

But they did just make them audiobooks and bile is in the newest big bl book so we can hope T. Night lords fan

[@flervest3407]

@@Grimsowerartyeah but the info is still there. Anyone else could use it

[@LexYeen]

​@@Grimsowerartdoes that mean other writers can't write about it?

[@SeedemFeedemRobots]

describe a primarch quickly: Fulgrim: Space Griffith

[@sombodythatyouusedtoknow9046]

Space Sigvald The Magnificent

[@louisekenway3455]

The P Diddy of Warhammer 40k

[@kostas225cmp]

One nitpick here: the planet Murder was only called that unofficially by the Imperial forces fighting there after seeing how fucked it up it was (the official name was the usual serial number, and the Interex called it something completely different). Fulgrim also was never there himself, just one of his crusading fleets led by Eidolon.

[@OneBlingedAngel]

Thanks for covering my favorite primarch: Sephiroth

[@heboric6136]

Hehe true

[@toastle8005]

That’s a weird way to spell Griffith

[@d.a.t.-3209]

Ferrus was just Aerith all along

[@BossEvasion]

I won’t say that Ferrus isn’t a rather bland Primarch, his name is literally “Iron Hands” in Latin for God’s sake, but his tragedy of his sons doubling down on the cyber-initiative and the fact that ALL of his clones always rebelled against the Snake-Twink that is Fulgrim. I can’t help but like the guy, dude baptized a Wyrm in lava, can you blame me?

[@toastle8005]

When I think about the fact that Fulgrim was meant to be a direct rip-off of Griffith and Ferrus Manus was probably then supposed to be their version of Guts, I take much more of a liking to him. Plus, the Iron Hands army, units and weaponry in the heresy are actually way more interesting than I thought, and their aesthetic from Forge World’s early days was top-tier. Both the legion, and the Primarch, have grown on me.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

Not at all. Ferrus was a turbo-chad. He mentored his brothers on all technological aspects of war, pretty much training and leading by example on how to use the myriad weapons of the Imperium. He and his legion were actually the first to get Terminator armor after Horus publicly backed the project, and they were primarily responsible for field-testing and drafting tactical doctrine concerining its maintenance, deployment and usage in combat. That's right. The Justaeran of the 16th, the Deathwing of the 1st, the Firedrakes of the 18th, the Death Shroud of the 14th and the Devourers of the 12th, none would be anywhere near as famous or impressive as they are if it weren't for them taking pages DIRECTLY out of the Iron Hands' playbook. Ferrus Manus and his legion wrote the book on Astartes grade mechanized warfare and combined arms engagements. Every time the Mechanicum put out a new piece of equipment intended for Astartes use, the Iron Hands were the first to use it, and report the findings of their field-testing back to the Mechanicum.

[@Chris-rn9zx]

@@toastle8005wait is Fulgrim actually inspired by Griffith? I mean, it makes sense but I never knew that…

[@Rukdug]

Isn't he also the guy who routinely had the factions of his home world openly war against each other in order to weed out weak because he was a turbo Social Darwinist? Kinda hard to like a guy who seems like he would approve of eugenics.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

Then you don't like the Imperium at large if you find eugenics as a distasteful feature in sci-fi @@Rukdug

[@CollinBuckman]

Clonegrim probably won't come back and definitely won't get a model but I think it'd be really funny if he did because so far a lot of returning Daemon Primarchs have coincided with returning Loyalist Primarchs who they then fight, and imagine how silly it would be if they made a massive event out of "Fulgrim vs another Fulgrim"

[@ToaArcan]

If 40K still had a sense of humour, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

[@rakisuzuki-burke4148]

Sons of the Phoenix vs Emperor's Children boxset.

[@Jach93]

That fight would be fire to see though.

[@TheFlyingPilgrim]

That’d actually be cool, though.

[@snakething87]

Fulgrim recreating his life over and over is from Fabius Bile: Manflayer. Fabius and some others arrive on Fulgrim’s planet in the eye and notice what, at first, appear to be mountains, only to find out they’re actually mountains of corpses from all Fulgrims attempts at a perfect backstory.

[@passchen-fail3704]

Do you know who you’re named after?

[@Raist474]

Fulgrim really suffers from being a bad guy from the start, and the early "hey, we're actually writing 30K stuff now" weirdness.

[@frankburnstein1195]

The Amber king's video on Ferrus had a pretty funny example of that with their voiced excerpts from various books. With the voice actor for Fulgrim pouring his heart out with his performance, enough to actually make you believe that the Emperor was the one who betrayed them, while the book's prose/narration says shit like "Fulgrim smiled wickedly, watching the pained expression in his brother's face"

[@scottberry1073]

The Adam and Eve sponsorship is probably the most thematic you’ve ever done and I love it. Keep up the great work 😂

[@matthewmiller257]

There has never been a more well planned sponser than doing an adam and eve sponsership for fulgrim. Unless it was Slannesh. Who os both Adam AND eve.

[@Hugme778]

Slaanesh is the serpent as well

[@idigamstudios7463]

@@Hugme778 The full package if you will

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

Slaanesh would also fuck Adam, Eve, and the Serpent.

[@hudsonflores5478]

8:40 I now have the imagine in my head of the Emperor managing all of the Imperium from the golden throne with a gaming computer with stellaris open and headphones on

[@anzaca1]

24:08 I mean, Sigismund showed just why he's so awesome by landing several solid hits of Fulgrim, despite only being a Space Marine.

[@Grimtotem001]

I had a terrible Friday, thanks for uploading another golden piece of content that genuinely makes me laugh

[@JackStefan-pj4wh]

Same

[@cassiusemmanualtheyoutubep3171]

Hope it gets better for y'all

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

Same, hope it gets better

[@lucianaryeh3001]

Same here too brother. ngl pancreas's vid are so theraputic to me everytime I listen to them. Dude's got a talent in writing scripts.

[@Nyctophora]

He has! I needed a laugh today and he provided :D@@lucianaryeh3001

[@pancreasnowork9939]

MEMORIES BROKEN, THE TRUTH GOES UNSPOKEN

[@fouadben4332]

I'VE EVEN FORGOTTEN MY NAME

[@THENemesisXX99]

​@@fouadben4332I DONT KNOW THE SEASON OR WHAT IS THE REASON, IM STANDING HERE HOLDING MY BLADE!

[@jokerman9623]

​@@THENemesisXX99A DESOLATE PLACE (PLACE)

[@THENemesisXX99]

@@jokerman9623 WITHOUT ANY TRACE (TRACE)

[@hexmelshenker]

???

[@DelandyMan]

I can't ever forgive Fulgrim for what he did to my boy Ferrus

[@Calvin_Coolage]

Fulgrim and Ferrus being bros before Fulgrim's fall is one of the saddest parts of the extended Horus Heresy lore.

[@localidiotnumber792]

He can never be forgiven for the things that he's done

[@vitaliitomas8121]

So for who does it comes, to end the prodigal son? (Couldn't really fit "hands" in it, také it or leave it)

[@xninewxw7559]

@@vitaliitomas8121I dunno man but that guy probably cannot imagine the beautiful bounty of Chaos

[@OHGAS-rt5uc]

​​@@vitaliitomas8121"so it falls in whose hands, to end the prodigal son" ?

[@hoopchristine5202]

14:50 Imma be THAT guy for a second. Technically it was the 140th Expeditionary Fleet with 3 Blood Angels companies that tried to pacify Murder (which was named when the Blood Angels captain said “This. World. Is. Murder” before getting killed). Then Lord Commander Eidolon of the Emperor’s Children (as well as Saul Tarvitz and Lucius) arrived to “support” (read: rescue) the Blood Angels, and they also suffered like 60% casualties until Horus himself arrived to save them, and he and Sanguinius then tried genociding the Megarachnids, saying the famous line “Let us murder Murder” Fulgrim never set foot on Murder, but one of his closest (and most arrogant) advisors played a large part in the battle

[@hoopchristine5202]

Side note: this is why I prefer to get my 40k info from the Lexicanum instead of the wiki

[@Tokumastu1]

Really wish we'd get Clonegrim back in the narrative given that he holds the uncorrupted part of Fulgrim's soul and despises his Daemon self.

[@Haispawner]

That would be too intelligent or creative for 40k, loyalist good chaos bad end of story.

[@heinoobermeyer7566]

It would be excellent, but I just don't think that GW has enough writing talent that is able to do it justice and write an actually nuanced story

[@Buttsmcgee069]

You need to pitch it in a GW manner for them to understand. Money over art.

[@karlwikman3874]

Thinking of making an AU where Clonegrim joins Deathwatch and recovers Ferrus Manus firesword

[@heinoobermeyer7566]

@@karlwikman3874 if you ever write that, please let me read it

[@sytytyslankha]

24:30 Its in Fabius Bile - Manflayer chapter 19. Fabius travels to Fulgrims pleasure world Callax, and Narvo Quin explais that Fulgrim is trying to 100% No Hit Speedrun his early life on Chemos. Not exactly what is said here but the gist of it.

[@spanner5940]

Fulgrim is who I want to come back as the third loyalist primarch. He really was the best of the primarchs: he had the compassion for humanity like vulkan, with the self discipline of ferrus mannus. A tactical mind and a desire for perfection that, if not destined to fall to chaos by sheogorath, would likely dignify and ascend his worlds into places of beauty and skill. What good is charisma and strategy when your troops are scheming cliques of resentful children? Rlyanor was not an outlier for the emperors children, he was one of many each with the personal development beyond the other chapters. I think if loyalist fulgrim and his interactions with snakegrim was given some chance to shine, it would be one of the most fascinating reads in 40k. The tallest heights vs the most depraved lows. A battle of the self vying for dominance. The interactions he would have with the other loyalist primarchs too, a man repentant for a side of him that he does not even associate with. How would the imperium even react to a fallen son being resurrected, and how much will this new fulgrim need to prove before he even comes close to forgiveness. Stuff like this makes me wish I was a writer so I could do a plot line like that it's justice.

[@Haispawner]

I like how you mixed up Sheogorath and Chegoragh. I'd do the exact same why are they so similar.

[@christopherbravo1813]

anyone can become a writer. it just takes varying amounts of time and effort from person to person.

[@xanmontes8715]

​@@christopherbravo1813man, I wish that was true...

[@christopherbravo1813]

@@xanmontes8715 It is. It might take more to be a *successful* writer, but anyone can write something.

[@skin3359]

>"you will never feel pleasure again!" >still rails the elf once again fulgrim is cucked

[@NinjaMaster23145]

4:55 okay so the game this is from is called Warframe, not Warthunder if any of you were wondering. Now yeah it’s pretty applicable. The guys singing the song are the Solaris, a people that are debt slaves to the Corpus (imagine the votann but they aren’t dwarves and worship money instead of chatgpt) and are forced to work in order to buy body mods in order to work so they can pay off their debts. If they fail to pay off their debts they can have their possessions and even body parts reposed. If they die either due to exhaustion or body part repossession their debts are passed on to their children or next of kin. There’s no hope of them rebelling because the Corpus have vastly superior tech and giant mecha spider titans. That is until the Tenno(cyborg harlequins) come and reignite the rebellion known as Solaris United.

[@XxX_afterHours_XxX]

LOOK BROTHERS TITS

[@harrysboylan]

It always felt like he was written to be a prick that easily fell to chaos instead of the original idea of "really cool and awesome guy that got corrupted against his will with subterfuge that shows the true danger of chaos corruption"

[@toastle8005]

Yeah, Baldemort’s depiction of him as a really earnest and well-meaning runt of the litter, with only 300 marines at first, working insanely hard to make up for it and be a stand-out and cultured legion- right up until the fateful landing on the Laer planet- really solidified the Legion as an unlikely favourite of mine. He is, as many people rightly joke, like Griffith from Beserk. The aesthetic, the skills, the intelligence and grace- you WANT him to be good, which is what makes it more frustrating and tragic when he goes off the deep end.

[@Pyre]

​@maltheri9833We're also dealing with four decades of character drift and flanderization. In the same way more recent lore paints The Emperor as always just a useless asshole, Fulgrim gets twisted away from that first, deeply engaging concept into "Oh he was always a shitty insecure fop who happened to be good at swords and nothing else." It's a shame, and it weakens the overall writing; the entire point of the 40k Imperium is how much they do EVERYTHING wrong. If the 30k Imperium was exactly as bad, why the hell should anyone *care* about the lore?

[@ToaArcan]

@@Pyre I wonder how much the current lore drift is the result of GW getting frustrated with half their fanbase acting like the Imperium is something to aspire to, and throwing up their hands and saying "Alright _fine,_ they were always shitty and the Emperor was an idiot who succeeded through strength rather than smarts, will you stop idolising them now?" That said, there's definitely room for the current version of the 30k Imperium to still have the flawed but ultimately noble versions of the Primarchs originally presented. They could easily _start_ as these ultimate paragons, but because their father is a lacking parent and the leader of the genocide factory, their worse traits get encouraged, opening them up more and more to the corrupting power of chaos.

[@Pyre]

@@ToaArcan Leaning away from the Emperor being gung ho for mass genocide for literally no given reason (or even just, competent at anything besides science) feels like it could have helped too. I kind of get the feeling your take is correct, even without it having to be *intentional* on GW's part.

[@gustavoaraujopenha8463]

@@ToaArcan It's kind of the oposite. It's not about fans liking the Imperium, GW only get good things from that. It's because being grimdark is kind of the gimick of the scenario so GW comes pushing the "Be more Grimdark!" idea more each retcon. The most obvious example of that is the Grimdarkening of Brettonia in Fantasy for example.

[@crowfather3654]

And how has he insulted you?’ ‘By comparing me - comparing us - to these… primitives,’ Telmar said, glancing at Thorn, who nodded. Fulgrim frowned. ‘And why should he not?’ Fulgrim looked around, noting the mood of the crowd. They were on the cusp of flight. Telmar’s sudden burst of violence had frightened them, shaken them to their very cores. Stories would spread, flying through the city, and from there, the rest of the continent. Awe would turn to fear. Fear to resentment. And resentment to resistance. He has seen the same story, repeated ad nauseam, on a dozen worlds. Fulgrim had always preferred love to fear. Love was stronger. Fear could be conquered, but love - never. It waned and swelled, but it never truly faded. He had made himself loved on Chemos. And he would do the same here. The primarch sank to one knee and reached down to help Telmar’s victim to his feet. The man stared at him with mingled fright and awe, his mouth working soundlessly. Fulgrim smiled and stood. ‘I came from nothing’ he said, fixing his sons with a steady gaze. ‘I scrabbled in the quarry pits, and down in the deepest mines, carrying buckets on my shoulders because the ascender blew a gasket,’ he said. ‘I broke my fingernails on raw ore, and grew blisters from heat and labour. You look down on them, blind to the beauty of their struggle. Blind to what they might become, if only someone would scrape the filth from their faces.’ He reached down and lifted a child onto his shoulders. The girl laughed and clapped, unafraid of the giant, even as her mother wept. Fulgrim indicated the crowd. His voice had driven many of them to their knees. ‘Look at them, my sons. You are the highest, and they, the lowest. It is your duty to raise them up, as high as they will go. Anything less is not worthy of you.’

[@Legitpenguins99]

You know, for being so well versed in the warp and chaos, and being the most intelligent man to ever live, big E missed A LOT of red flags in the backstory and personality of half of his sons.

[@justiceforjoggers2897]

I mean, it's not like he'd be able to make more of them at the drop of a hat

[@Historyfrek4ever]

I love the quote of Fulgrim in his primarch novel: Your brothers conquered their home worlds, but you were the only one who had to save yours. (Or something to those lines)

[@darko-man8549]

20:23 this moment is probably my most hated moment, a moment of “hahha, I, Fulgrim, actually wanted this,” - instead of extreme regret or well-thought-out narrative, nope just “yeah I wanted this”

[@T.Hebert]

Truly one of the primarchs of all time

[@vulkan6757]

The source for Fulgrim trying to re-create Chemos and him playing different roles in its history comes from the third Fabius Bile book "Manflayer." Fabius and Narvo Quin travel across rhe world to visit Fulgrim because Fabius needs some help against the Dark Eldar. Then once the two meet, Fulgrim kinda gives Fabius a proper dad lecture and then tells him to fuck off. 24:34

[@Beriorn]

The whole Fulgrim and Ferrus taking their shirts off is just a scene from Yakuza 40.000.

[@Archon3960]

_"Ten thousand years in the joint made you a freakin' pussy!"_ ;/

[@Zombiewithabowtie]

It is now canon that Ferrus had a full back tattoo of Asirnoth, the (possibly Necron) machine wyrm that gifted him his metal hands, and Fulgrim has a Aquila headed Phoenix tattoo. I will not be taking questions.

[@gnostic2459]

The planet wasn't named Murder when Fulgrim showed up, the Emperor's Children gave it that name.

[@drogonaut2012]

the planet was first landed on by blood angels, then emperor's children and THEN Horus showed up. fulgrim wasn't even there

[@Mystyx-Sama]

An Adam&Eve add in a video about Fulgrim is beyond accurate. My hat's off to you for that one. Fulgrim is my favorite traitor primach, next to Magnus, and I fell in love with the lore of the chapter and the color scheme the moment I saw it. Bumping into them in The Horus Heresy novels, and seeing just how ass-holish they were, really put them into perspective for me. I'm one of those whop wishes for a Fulgrim redemption arch, and Rylanor only made me want that more. Good job!

[@oilimenoruega7836]

Pancreasnowork and Dread anon release a Fulgrim video within an hour of eachother? Slaneesh, you truly are the God of excess

[@daltondaily1540]

I love the Rylanor story, especially the ending. This is a spoiler for those who haven't read it. The Thousand Sons literally look at the situation, see how pure and steadfast Rylanor's pride and honor are, and look at Fulgrim and see just how depraved and malicious he is. They decide, together, as one, that they cannot allow Fulgrim to get what he wants. Rylanor deserved better than him, he deserved better than all of them. They sacrifice themselves to allow the Virus Bomb to go off, sparing Rylanor the horrific fate Fulgrim would have in store for him. Allowing him to die with his honor, and in turn, dying with honor themselves.

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

Is it them, "deciding as one" if they have to blow the head off of one of the three to get him to drop his containment field?

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

Given it was a Raptorae that was shot, and given I'm like 99% Raptorae don't exactly have mthinngs like conscious thought, yes.

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen so you didn't read The Ancient Awaits either, huh? There's a lot of that going around.

[@rakisuzuki-burke4148]

Rylanor deserves better than you, oh primarch! Rylanor deserves better than all of us!

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

​@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDto be fair ALL of them felt Visterio's decision and none objected. I say that's agreeing 😅

[@EDuarteVillanueva]

Weird how loyalist Emperor's Children like Tarvitz and Rylanor are presented by the fandom as super masculine even though the prerequisite for being in the Emperor's Children is to be a dandy nobleman.

[@echodelta2172]

Not dandy, just of noble blood. The legion's culture was 2/3 foppish dandy duelists and 1/3 noble gigachads. The 2/3 ultimately ended up as Chaos marines and the chads made a last stand on Istvaan III. Much like the Death Guard was about 1/2 smelly creeps and 1/2 reliable, hardy soldiers.

[@NorthernXY]

Horus's fall to Chaos started as a child. I'll remember the name of the book when I'm done typing. One short story by BL is about a small child growing up in the cave mine underground crime world of Cthonia. Where you earned your name by killing someone else. So Horus was first called "Nergüi" mean "no-name". The "gang" he was a part of were in the wrong spot at the wrong time. The Mechanicus showed up to the planet and started drilling, causing cave-ins, killing gang members and critically injuring the gang leader. As he was dying he told Nergüi to finish him to claim him kill-name. After which Nergüi called himself Horus, and suddenly all his Primarch genes started kicking in, as he was more or less a normal looking kid before he got his kill-name. Horus was raised by horrible people, and a lot probably rubbed off on him. He just used his charisma to make people think he was a good soul.

[@JoshSweetvale]

9:00 Cannot be _overstated._ 'cannot be understated' is for small, 'cannot be overstated' is for big. In 'the Rouboutian Heresy' fanfic where the Primarchs's loyalties are flipped, Fulgrim actually managed to increase the efficiency of Chemos's society to the point that they *undid the decline* and when the Emperor showed up, Chemos was well on its way to becoming a paradise world. The Emperor's Children's ethos also evolved in a different direction. Due to [spoiler], loyalist Emperor's Children's ethos is 'Perfection is hard work.' - No hypocrisy or superficiality allowed. Needless to say, this timeline's Lucius the Eternal is a _supreme_ badass.

[@Archon3960]

Yup, and it's non-canon. I love Zahariel's work on the RH, but it's moslty unrelated to Canon Fulgrim. I feel like it shouldn't be used in comparision. Back on topic, Fulgrim played too much HoI4 is all I'm saying. X)

[@sinfulnitwit7647]

I'd really like to see Pancreas talk about the Roboutian Heresy one day, cause there are some awesome parts of it that I think he'd very much enjoy.

[@noahwick3217]

perterabo seems like one of the more interesting primarchs tbh

[@Pyre]

Hard carried the entire Heresy, then singlehandedly finished dooming it once he was screwed over enough. Perturabo's central flaw was never goddamn speaking up for himself. Like, "Yeah bud, anybody would become an asshole in your situation, but you have the greatest engineering mind of an entire species and you never once tried the thing that could solve the problem."

[@hunterkillerxyz]

He actually is. He embodies the intellect, strength, artistry, martial and strategic prowess of all the other primarchs combined but misdirects it constantly because he’s only ever been used as a tool for others wishes and never his own

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

He comes really close to being, but then always have this weird persecution complex and pathological lack of confidence and always expects the worst. It's like one of the core rules for the setting is something like, "The only one that can defeat Perturabo is Perturabo."

[@hunterkillerxyz]

That’s really easy for people to say but just try to contextualize it for a second. The guy lands on what is basically diet Macragge and while he had a mindset geared towards innovation and peace, and was instead used as a tool of war by his foster father. The Emperor did the exact same thing, then shat on his talents further by making Rogal Dorn the praetorian of Terra instead of just letting them build shit together. He was more than happy to assist Fulgrims because A) he was unaware of his fall at the time and B) he actually got along with many of his brothers before Horus rebelled, including Vulcan and Magnus. The guy has only ever been used, disappointed, and taken for granted by literally everyone but his sister which he killed with his bare hands out of rage. His pessimism and self victimization are the result of all of these events and even disregarding all of that, name one time in your life where you weren’t your own worst enemy at least once. His flaws humanize him, Whereas Fulgrim was just careless and his bled down to his legion.

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

​@@hunterkillerxyz he is his own worst enemy consistently. I am begging on my knees for GW to let characters learn from their mistakes or from the vast amount of data available to them.

[@Snipfragueur]

The emperor's children basis is actually pretty damn chad. "We are going to be the best. -... The best at what ? -EVERYTHING."

[@grimgrom3355]

What a lovely, efficient and kind artist Fulgrim is, I wonder what he’ll do in the second half of the video

[@joym3357]

0:23 they got em with the poop knife

[@aguspuig6615]

Its like that simpsons meme. You can actually pinpoint the moment were Fulgrim goes from relatable and tragic to badly written mustache twirling villain thats only there to be made fun of

[@LU-nc6oy]

Thanks!

[@heliummaster6628]

seriously though, how did fulgrim not realize there was something up with that sword? im pretty sure even the stupidest of us would realize that it’s evil after a voice in their head shows up after they pick it up, and then immediately starts telling them to use omegle and do turbo meth, while flaying orphans.

[@topcat59]

Honestly this kind of hurts me, since I kind of like him and the ideas he stood for when he was a primarch. Like a legion that is a representation on what humanity could be then just being your generic legion sounds so cool.🐱

[@toastle8005]

Baldemort’s video on Fulgrim captures that way, way better than most of the authors did, and it’s why so went from hating him to really liking the legion

[@TresBS1]

Well...TBF about Murder, it wasn't named originally. Hell, it didn't even have a name but a number. It got named that after Imperium forces landed, fought the megaracnids for a while and a transmission came from those forces stating "This. World. Is. Murder!"

[@kyra7305]

"We have Griffith at home. The Griffith at home:"

[@Sumschmuck]

Who the FUCK at adam & eve's marketing department said "do you know who would make a great demographic for our sex toys? A majority male community that is several thousands of dollars deep into buying and playing with minifigures!"

[@Grimkytle]

Having Age of Empires music in the background makes this video even better.

[@filiasnox1116]

the second most beutiful primarch

[@milanmarkovic2721]

Nope. Not even third.

[@axellenhart7890]

Ferrus was the first, thats why he killed him

[@FLAMM3NW3RF]

Number 1 is mortarion

[@trailblazerlazerrazerd9027]

That part about Fabius Bile not being able to create a Chaos aligned clone of Ferrus Manus might be the reason why the Emperor or Malchador weren't able to do it to bring him back. His soul and that of his Perpetual self as a warp entity were probably constantly being brought back and killed in those cloning experiments. And now that I put that into words, I really want to see what the Emperor's Children legion and any of their branch off legions/chapters might be like in games like Space Marine and Space Marine 2. Killing in a way that could rival Dark Eldar and with just as much cruel efficiency. Or nearly as much at least. (Thank everything that's holy, none of the Emperor's Children and the Night Lords ever collaborated and created a chaos successor chapter, because then they probably would directly rival the Drukhari. Except they can't heal or feed on from the pain they inflict, or maybe not in the same ways 🤔. It hurts my head to seriously consider so I'm gonna stop for now...if not forever 😅🤕😫. Lol

[@The-jy3yq]

Oh so _that's_ why the Legion of the Damned appears so rarely

[@trailblazerlazerrazerd9027]

@maltheri9833 Wait so how the hell did he bring back his soul and not the body? I thought him and Malchador tried doing cloning too? 🤔

[@bigdogdempsey605]

I still prefer the idea fulgrim is still trapped in the painting, or in the clone taken by our fabulous necron manager

[@RealLofiVibes]

An Adam and Eve ad as the sponsor for a video about fulgrim thats perfect!!!

[@Fyrijou]

I am surprised you didn’t go into the whole Clonegrim thing. I thought you’d be stoked to talk about Trazyn again and start theory crafting a story where the Eldars will be involved again to get Clonegrim to the Imperium, kind of like with Roboogey.

[@megan00b8]

Fulgrim was denied things before Rylanor, hell even Bile had enough of him at one point and just left to do his own things, and Fulgrim didn't see him for another couple thousand years to come. And trust me, during that time he was not working on Manus 2.0, nor did he come back to it after reestablishing contact with Fulgrim in his time of need. Honestly I'm not sure what he's doing for Fulgrim at all, I know he's got a couple of his own clones working for Abaddon on Black Legion geneseed quality control, but I have literally no idea if he's doing any side projects for Fulgrim in a similar manner. Of course the main copy of him keeps working on his own projects, I'd say the whole cloning thing and his Eldar phase paid off.

[@gavinriggi9469]

I like to genuinely think fulgrim is actually still in the painting, so we can have a story about him breaking free of it (and maybe going into a certain clones body who knows) for it would honestly make it so that flugrim and his legion could be redeemed and maybe form a new faction in warhammer which would be great but sadly GW typically leave interesting ideas in the trashcan that change up the setting so this wont ever happen.

[@cogline9]

Maybe tie him in with The King in Yellow. Valdor and a redeemed Primarch could fit that sort of rogue element well I think.

[@Joni_Tarvainen]

4:26 You ain't wrong, Saga of Tanya the evil slaps hard.

[@nightstalker638]

That Adam and Eve ad alone earned a like.

[@averagetectonicplateenjoyer]

13:47 objection they are far smarter then a normal person IN WARHAMMER

[@gourmand3]

That sponsor segment had me cracking up 😂 bravo good sir 👏

[@cogline9]

I just wish they saved the whole "Fulgrim trapped in the painting" bit for later use in the lore as a possible redemption arc. Feels like a squandered opportunity to have that issue solved relatively soon after the demon fully took over.

[@drgonzo305]

I had a hard time feeling bad for Fulgrim until the end of the book during the drop site massacre. That had me stuck in my car outside my friend’s house for like 35 mins listening to the audiobook. He’s hitting me on the phone like “you coming in?”. That was a good book

[@TheSpicyLeg]

By the way, the mere fact that Fulgrim and the Khan were “switched” planets by Cegorach to prevent the Khan from falling to Chaos is not just an odd point in the lore, it is a direct refutation of Erda’s genius plan. Why, you may ask, is the planet a Primarch lands on so important that it is the difference between falling to Chaos and not falling to Chaos? Because the manner and conditions in which the Primarch is raised is super important, even more important than their personalities and abilities. In other words, if various Primarchs were not scattered off to shithole worlds and were instead left to the Emperor, the Heresy is almost impossible. Erda simply jacked up humanity. Of course, if it was the Chaos gods that scattered the Primarchs, well, it makes a hell of a lot more sense. They would want to send Primarchs out to shithole worlds in the hopes it creates personality and mental faults which they could later exploit, which is exactly what happened. But no, we have to have Erda, a super powerful perpetual that lived for thousands of years but lost her shit because reasons.

[@marrvynswillames4975]

Its actually not a point in the lore at all, at no point its ever said Cegorach did it, all Magnus say in Scars is that one force switched them, nothing else

[@TheSpicyLeg]

@@marrvynswillames4975 Person X did it, therefore the statement changes because Person Y didn’t do it. Ahh, the internet, where half you chuckle fucking heads have to disagree to agree.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

@@marrvynswillames4975 A meaningless detail. They could have been switched by Carl from Gary, Indiana, and it wouldn’t change a thing regarding the stupidity of the Erda theory.

[@anna-flora999]

Maybe them being raised by Big E would have been even worse and instead of half falling to chaos, all of them would have. Either by collectively deciding that there's 20 of them and only one big e so shy shouldn't they be in charge, or because all that power would have turned big e into a chaos God. It's also not definite that erda would have had specific control about where they land. Maybe she was trying to send them all to planets like mccrage but the chaos gods fucked with their routes.

[@Tayvin4042]

I almost NEVER listen to sponsorship ads, so good job on getting me to sit through this one, I was flabbergasted anyone would advertise something like this on *KZbin*. You sir, have my respect.

[@Azzie420]

The Warmaster will betray you all! “Lol” said the primarch “lmao” *nukes crone worlds while snorting lines*

[@laughingmask3118]

Yeah I don't believe for a second that Fulgrim wrested control back from the Keeper of Secrets. He was such an emotional mess, manipulated and broken by events that realizing the voice was a Greater Daemon and seeing his best friend killed with his own hands that it's far more likely that the KoS is still just larping as Fulgrim. It would explain how Clonegrim has a complete Fulgrim Soul at least

[@Tenhys]

... Dat add... ... the subject... ... the theme... ........ I just... i can't even..... i.... just... .... wow. I am completely speechless. I mean, i'm expecting add because, one way or another you gotta pay the bills, man. But still, i'd have expected something "classic", like "Raid" or whatnot. But then you bring a sex toy add, on a Fulgrim video... it's both completely surprising and at the same time, so like you to do so, it HURTS that the outcome is so obvious i should've seen it coming. Damn the fuck it, Pancreas, have my like just for that.

[@thesaviorofsouls5210]

Cant thank you enough for the videos man, theyre genuinely perfect. Enjoy rewatching them all the time.

[@jaketheberge1970]

I think you should do a video on The Night Lords and Konrad Kurze. Their reasons for turning traitor are actually pretty understandable. Or even better read the Night Lords trilogy, it could very likely make you a like a traitor Legion all by itself.

[@TheRemembrancer]

My word...

[@WarmasterWirMustard]

The remembrancer will never recover from this video

[@fetusdeletus9266]

I can’t believe you actually managed to get an Adam and Eve promotion

[@mgeldarion58]

15:30 gotta be that "akshually" person here: Blood Angels called that planet Murder after they arrived to aid the Emperor's Children and got slaughtered by the megarachnids as well. "This. World. Is. Murder." was their last transmission picked by the Sons of Horus.

[@r31n0ut]

How ironic is it that you literally cannot show the products being advertised on youtube because youtube does not consider them advertiser-friendly?

[@knpark2025]

10:37 "Not necessarily agree with, I mean I don't think Fulgrim's in the right here, but I get it." I think this is low-key the strongest gift of fiction. You get to see people who would think and act in ways you won't *agree with* per se, but you do have to *get it* and understand their rationale to enjoy the plot. It is a mental task that is very taxing in real-life settings, but I do believe reading a lot of fictions and empathizing wide range of characters do help people handle the same mental gymnastics in a real world with much higher stakes than understanding fictional stories.

[@miguelperez9906]

The khan consistently has the best interactions involving papa sang

[@Archon3960]

I can't decide which is the better one between Fulgrim and Mortarion. 😎

[@Aegisdex]

Ngl perty is my favorite for being an asshole but still doing everything because hes told to. Really reminds me back in retail where you get that one day you just know nobody cares and you wish that you can just tear it all down.

[@rickkcir2151]

I don’t understand why GW doesn’t do more with Fulgrim, the Emperor’s children, and the Eldar in terms of story telling. I mean, shouldn’t Slaanesh constantly be sending them to attack craftworlds, maiden worlds, hell even Comorragh. It sucks because Slaanesh is my favorite chaos god, and it doesn’t feel like they have a tabletop presence since there’s no Emperor’s Children yet.

[@robertmathews7971]

Fabius Bile Trilogy has some good Fulgrim stuff. The clone in the second, which I go back and forth on but like the ideas, and Fulgrim proper in the third. Third's where you get the "recreating his past" bits, along with some more. I like it.

[@mccoolfriend6818]

I weep for Rylanor He did not deserve the death he got

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

Perhaps not, but he managed to get two Thousand Sons marines to have a change of heart, and he died dealing a blow to Fulgrim's pride that can never heal.

[@mccoolfriend6818]

@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen True, Truly amazing ngl

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

​@@MidoriOfTheShuinsenALL of them. Raptore too. I mean he didn't resist at all.

[@echodelta2172]

The death was incredible, better than most get in that universe

[@mccoolfriend6818]

Actually, it was the MOST glorious way to die the way he did, but I feel bad for him that's why.

[@ordg1774]

3:48 la creatura jumpscare

[@Oasis_Oracle]

No fucking shot you got an actual Adam and Eve sponsor for this episode. How did you even land that? Did you just tell ‘em “I’m doing an episode on the twink who worships the god of Sex,Drugs, and Rock and Roll” and they just said “We’re in.”?

[@robfromjersey7899]

"I heard you do strange things with your warriors." Sickest burn since Prospero.

[@stevenmahon2027]

You should look at some of arbiter Ian’s videos on the development of the lore. One of my favourite things in 40k is that some half thought out, bizarre, throw away lore created to sell goofy table top figures has become the cornerstone of one of the deepest most extensive universes. The reality that there’s throw away deliberately vague/over the top/satirical nuggets of lore aren’t really known by a lot of the new fans and I feel it’s important to acknowledge this so that you understand you cannot take 40 completely seriously

[@Calvin_Coolage]

I really hate this stupid meme of 40k having the deepest lore you must understand to enjoy it, when at least half of it garbage that makes Magic the Gathering look well written.

[@NecromancyForKids]

​@Calvin_Coolage Some of MTG was well written, but a lot of it is just weird stuff and manipulating genes/DNA "for the greater good"... like Warhammer 40k

[@SomeoneYouDontKnowOfficial]

"Except for *one* who we'll get to later" OOOOOO BOY we are eating GOOD tonight

[@TheCityofTownsville]

Adam & Eve: the only sponsorship for when talking about 'Daddy', makes you wanna say, "Dadddy!"

[@The-Great-Penguin]

I reckon in the, like, second of realisation fulgrim had that he was about to be in ground zero of a planet-wide nuke, he just went "Well, fuck."

[@PKFireFawx]

Adam and Eve sponsor for this video is wild and fitting lmfao