Part Two - Dialogue Between Ayaan Hirsi Ali & Richard Dawkins

[@brando3342]

The irony of Dawkins saying "If it were true, it would change everything.".... bruh, Jesus Christ literally SPLIT HISTORY between "before Him" and "after Him".... LITERALLY changed EVERYTHING 🤣🤦‍♂

[@jimiawaydazeawaydaze]

Christopher Hitchens once described Ayaan Hirsi as the greatest public intellect to ever come out of Africa ...nice to see her intellect being put to good use these days .

[@MeganDelacroix]

7:02 Funny, I couldn't choose _to_ believe that one.

[@brando3342]

I don't think Intelligent Design proponents consider theism a "scientific hypothesis". Pretty sure I've heard Stephen Meyer talk about how the intelligent design hypothesis is a scientific hypothesis, but it's not one that involves "God" necessarily. The argument is purely scientific. The benefit of the argument is that, once it goes through, THEN you can propose a new specific theistic hypothesis to explain it. They are two separate things.

[@JoelTenny-jq4bx]

Dr Craig, I have a question about Christ I have been struggling with lately. When Jesus came to earth, were there still 3 persons in the God?(This is not a big problem but the next one is) And when Jesus died for our sins and said on the cross "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" I heard some explanations like Jesus was seperated from God when he took our sins that's why he said that. Does Jesus saying this mean that "One person from trinity" was seperated? I don't understand this but I feel there seems to be a problem. I can't show an explicit contradiction too. How do you reconcile Jesus's incarnation and Jesus's death on cross with God being three persons?(It seems that one person is being seperated(I just used this vaguely I don't have a good definition of seperation) atleast during Jesus's death)

[@ReasonableFaithOrg]

In the incarnation, the 2nd person of the Trinity - the Logos - was conjoined with a hominin body. So, the person of Christ just is the 2nd person of the Trinity. He doesn't cease to possess his divine attributes or divine personhood in virtue of taking on flesh (contrary to the views of the kenoticists). Christ often refers to the Father as "God." However, he also takes on himself divine prerogatives, such as forgiving sin and fulfilling prophecy predicted of Yahweh in the Old Testament. He also accepts worship and even reference to himself as "God" (John 20:28). This radical divine self-understanding is vindicated through the resurrection. Jesus affirmed the Old Testament teaching that there is one God, while indicating that he himself was also God. This is why the early church felt compelled to formulate a multi-personal understanding of their Jewish monotheism, and why we have the doctrine of the Trinity today. Christ's references to God, as in his cry "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me (which quotes Psalm 22)" are a way of differentiating his own personhood from the Father's. But, given the above, we shouldn't therefore conclude that Christ himself was not a divine person. "God" is also used in Scripture as a title of supreme authority, and Christ submitted to the Father as his supreme authority. But just as a human soldier can submit to another human soldier (say, a general) as his authority without therefore becoming less human, so too could Christ submit to the Father without being less than divine. - RF Admin

[@JoelTenny-jq4bx]

@@ReasonableFaithOrg Thanks for the reply dr Craig it clears my doubt

[@rhandley1000]

Craig is right about belief. For the past 4 years, I've been trying very hard to not believe that Joe Biden is president, but I have to accept that he is Hehehe

[@carladraffen9145]

This was full of contradictions and didn’t make much sense. I usually like Craig when he’s teaching but feel like this host is baiting him into a different agenda but hey 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@simonskinner1450]

Christianity asks unbelievers to believe a counter-intuitive story of atonement at the Cross, to accept salvation due to belief, not the obedience of faith as the NT.

[@KlPop-x1o]

This guy and Lane Craig are coping hard. Also, doxastic voluntarism is the view that we can have control over our beliefs.

[@matthewm7590]

What makes you say they’re coping?

[@mentalwarfare2038]

Because he disagrees in an exaggerated fashion lol

[@matthewm7590]

@@mentalwarfare2038 what do you mean by that? Could you provide an example?

[@elgatofelix8917]

@@matthewm7590 His only copium is to project his copium onto others.