Land Navigation

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[@jasonspears8205]

I've been out of the Army for over 20 years and haven't done land nav since. I'm so grateful you put this on here. Pat Mac you are a great teacher ..keep it up man

[@Valkyrie1911]

Only been 5 for me and I still needed this.

[@tntshuffle-9799]

Technology will prove to be our downfall...

[@shanemccray4050]

No matter how good you are or were at land nav getting a refresher is always good!

[@rayr1642]

What most civilians don't understand is that GPS can be spoofed (false signals or interference caused by a land based transmitter). Military grade GPS equipment can't be spoofed but if you don't have access to that gear, map and compass is your only other option.

[@bones1x285]

I've been in the army national guard for 6 years and the army reserves for a little over a year, I can confirm that we still do fundamental old school land nav. Its still a thing!

[@joseh9021]

😂 national guard reserves 😂😂😂😂😂 you’re not fooling no one. All you need to know is where the armory is and what time is lunch and the time you get off .

[@TorchOnTarget]

@@joseh9021 Never thought when I Was 16 and KZbin and Facebook started popping off I would see older vets gatekeeping and dogging each other LOL

[@MrJbedo]

​@@joseh9021lmao like active duty is any different. Just add BS duties like KP, cleaning shitters etc

[@madebyvirgo2666]

@@joseh9021I know more guard dudes that do more then active lmfao Active dudes just stay in dorms and have a bed time … national guard usually gets the same amount of training as active in the 2-5 days a month (ps most active units can’t deploy … national guard deploys more) the best shooters are National guard inside the army look up the stats

[@stansdad1]

Passing on knowledge. Basic dude stuff. 🤘🏻

[@Barchenhund]

Just my opinion. Grid Map/Compass land navigation is just as important as the ability to use iron sights.

[@aaronklemm]

Y’all should put an affiliate link for the map and other special gear.

[@justinmoss1524]

FYSA, Land Nav is now being added back into the Army's NCO Basic Leader Course. It's a much needed reintroduction.

[@joshuamelby]

Pat you are an awesome teacher. Thanks for this video! "Polaris!"

[@ericbeauchamp7385]

I loved being my platoon's navigator. Semper Fi

[@vhalym4981]

Never miss the opportunity to be your own batman.

[@mrdrprof99]

Instructions unclear I killed my parents, and I'm not a billionaire.

[@Dad_a_Monk]

Great breakdown, but Polaris (North Star) is NOT an exact marker for True North. It is closer than magnetic, but it still off 1°. True North is a fixed geologic location, not based on celestial navigation points. Polaris is not actually fixed, it's a trinary system that only appears to be fixed. It adjusts position depending on our solar system's place in the galaxy, as we move within our arm of the Milky Way and as our arm orbits around the SMBH at the heart of our galaxy. Polaris has only been the North Star for the last 2,000 years and will eventually move out of it's position in relation to our observations as it being a "fixed" North position. In approximately another 2,000 years, Polaris will be out of position and Errai will be observed as our North Star. I really miss teaching Land Nav. I still occasionally teach pilots survival and include Land Nav, if your GPS fails you need back ups to navigate by. I included Land Nav and Celestial Navigation.

[@sheilameagher3675]

Apparently, you are completely unaware of the Volunteer Search and Rescue Community in North American, where this is standard basic training. Well at least you mentioned declination (but you did not address that in relation to the declination settings on a compass). In Canada, we are trained to do this without the protractor. Thank you for showing the pacing. It stumps a lot of people. We call the'Ranger beads' Pacing beads.

[@jiujitsudiagnostic]

How was the "38 and 35" 1:24,000 scale markers determined? Was it known and Pat Mac is showing how to find where you are if that information is known or did he use the protractor's coordinate scale to determine where they were? It was hard to see how he used the scale markers relative to the grid to find the exact point

[@bbarker5766]

Ahhh.... the fun stuff revisited!! How about some night land nav??

[@docshredz1492]

Invaluable information; potentially life saving. At least learn the basics.

[@172sbct]

He plotted on grid north. So going from grid (general) to magnetic (major) is a demotion, so should he have subtracted?

[@18ipmg]

Good stuff. It’s actually scary how devolved land navigation instincts are in everyone.

[@Jeff-Larryson]

man i feel dumb. i have watched this 2 times now. another dozen or so and i may catch on.

[@tonyagriffin5474]

I could have used this skill when I got lost on a nature hike in brown county Indiana way back in 98 😂 actually learned something and I’m waiting for the 2nd part…

[@Drop_off_on_the_right]

IU grad. I know this place.

[@frankb2602]

@patmac great bit. batteries die. protractors don't!

[@skolfd4494]

I’m on a hotshot crew with the USFS, awesome refresher. Going to teach my wife once I’m back home from this fire!

[@lgbuxton]

Where can I get the 8.5 X 11 printable maps?

[@skibor3781]

Great info/refresher that all patriots should know. I am a firm believer in being able to accomplish things w/o tech. I hv started teaching this and a host of others to my 4yr old granddaughter. Jump Tough Pat Mac!

[@joelazzari7164]

where are you printing your maps from?

[@nateanderson6328]

Man I love when you do navigation videos. I'm a land surveyor and you're correct, map navigation is dying, also in my trade. Keep'em coming bro!

[@alextop1850]

Great vid any on star night navigation

[@brena3582]

Straight forward, not over complicated and spoken in lamens terms for a novice to understand immediately. Awesome work boss!

[@SRTPCC]

Nope, Thank you for your service bro

[@JettisonM]

Which level do we need to see the rest of this video? This is definitely a skill worth mastering and teaching your kids. Thanks PatMac!

[@gunchief0811]

L.A.R.S. = left add right subtract.. u have to use the declination Diagram to make sure u use the "Lars" method to make sure ur compass is properly "DECLINATED" Magnetic North is obviously going to effect the compass needle so your mission is to properly set your compass up prior to your Squad's patrol {map recon happens before the actual recon} "RANGER BEADS" are also pretty essential to get stuff in squared away land nav talk. pace count's are easier with Ranger beads. Pace counts are important also {100 meter walk regular stride. every time YOUR LEFT FOOT FOOT STRIKES THE DECK IS YOUR COUNT! my Pace count is 67 I am six feet tall...

[@Mrgunsngear]

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[@boatdriver9533]

It's important for boaters as well. I learned how to use a sextant many years ago, but a skill I try to refresh myself with on an annual basis. Bowditch is a great reference for all boaters.

[@The_John_Galt]

Dude this was amazing

[@ronhanish]

24000 inches is 666.667 yards

[@southwestoklahomaairsoftcl9889]

I teach Land Navigation for 13F AIT it is 100% a requerment to become a Forward Observer. You can't call for fire if you can't locate yourself and the enemy on a map.

[@ejb4375]

Great refresher video! It's been more then a decade since I have done this. One little nit question; if your initial position is [17SPU]4638 9935 and you are navigating to 4635 9975 (11:26), the easting track would be west by 30 meters and north by 400 meters. That direction would be NNW (about 355 degrees) and not NNE (16 degree - 13:35). A 16 degree heading, from the initial position for about 400 meters, would be somewhere close to 4649 9974? I could be totally off-base, though. Thanks for this video!

[@pyeitme508]

Nice Notch cap man!

[@GimletYT]

My problem is WHERE to obtain new USGS 1:24k, WGS84 1:25k or 1:50k maps? Suggestions? (I have OLD Fort Irwin, Fort Polk, Fort Hunter Liggett, For A.P. Hill, etc.) Deepest respect and appreciation, as always. DOL.

[@floridaswampdogs8121]

Awesome as always You did a excellent job of making it simple for beginners You didn’t overload with to much at once

[@cshq177]

LEARN that fucking MAP! Know how to READ that Map! I would akways look for the closest, most prominent Terrain Feature on the Map, then look for it in the Terrain (Hilltop, Valley or Spur), and, once I found it, thats where I'm going.

[@livinroomlongshanks]

Wish most wannabe' cool guys realized just how pertinent this skill really is to k know alreadybefirw they show up to BOTH ARMY SELECTIONS most wanna' attend.

[@pyeitme508]

RAD

[@EleanoraFernanders]

FYSA, Land Nav is now being added back into the Army's NCO Basic Leader Course. It's a much needed reintroduction.

[@Blackcloud_Garage]

I think all this "Sergeant's time" training is great. Keep it up please👍👍

[@bsellman6881]

This is epic real land now training you don't get that in basic b******* schools in the army or any of the services you are a special selected person to be in a career field that requires that, I am Air Force I am a boom operator Air Force guy so we did this and it was awesome thanks Pat and crew you guys are a tight crew and I appreciate what you do

[@Mefostofiles84]

Eight degrees of magnetic declination?! Holy cow I am used to a maximum 2º on the maps of my country. Actually I am used to even neglecting to apply the adjust (because honestly my own error following a compass direction is going to be bigger than 2º). But 8º? Man, you really want to apply the declination there. You americans have a crazy country. Even at topographic level!

[@TheTubejunky]

Really want to practice this and EVERYONE SHOULD these days.

[@TheQuantumPotato]

Maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I definitely feel that if you're going out into the backcountry or off trail with just a GPS (or even just your phone!), you're asking for trouble. Batteries die, signal gets lost or refracts giving an inaccurate fix, devices get lost or broken, and most important of all you don't actually have full awareness of your environment (especially as it relates to navigating), because you've just been blindly following a GPS. It's definitely nice to have a GPS so you can double-check things, be very accurate and quick when you need to know exactly where you are, etc., but in my mind it definitely shouldn't be relied upon.

[@comingtofull-ageinchrist6736]

I agree that we are way too dependent upon electronics! What do you think about the different uses for baseplate and lensatic compasses? Great instructional video!

[@ForceMultiplier]

What states maps and topographical maps do you recommend, Pat? Also, where do you recommend guys procure them. I haven't used land nav since my military days, and it was nice to have you brush us up on this. Thanks, amigo.

[@shawncook5083]

I've been wondering the same thing for a while also

[@TeamTriumphHQ]

Where can we get maps with 1km grid squares and I.e.. FJ12345678, etc?

[@MadayMaday]

Land nav and symbology is dying in the military, because of the reliance of tech. Had the power go out on the FOB on one of my deployments... everyone freaked. I just pulled out the transparencies and started getting to work. Always have a back-up plan or back-up kit if it's mission essential.

[@Nowhere888]

Got to remember LARS...just like the lead drummer of Metallica named Lars Ulrich. That and the left adds to the taxes while the right subtracts from taxes.

[@10thmountainvet]

Awesome to see this. Ft. Drum was terrible for land-nav; little terrain features and lots of swap. Nothing more fun than rucking a full LLVI loadout and having a "smart" leader shooting a straight line through the swamp to "save time" lol.

[@alimhond656]

I want to join special forces should I just go 18x or should I join regular army to learn land navigation?

[@James-hx6zj]

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[@danielmarshall4587]

Many thanks for the "time-stamp" as to where the instruction begins, however..... the pre-amble for me is the sauce on the meat. Again, thank you gentlemen.

[@andrecharlebois705]

As someone who's worked in IT for 20+ years I can tell you: don't trust technology. At least have competence in analog methods in concert with digital means.

[@petebaker2576]

Nice job. I was able to understand an put in to practice with your video. Explained real well. Thx

[@chriskeating5926]

Omg Pat Mac is such a Wicked Awesome teacher , I have to buy him some beers when he comes to Boston! CHEERS PAT , THANK YOU FOR ALL THESE BAD ASS VIDEOS 🤘 ROCK AND ROLL

[@joehorn1792]

I retired in 2017 from the military and the one thing I remember is that even in the military, it was always hard to find a good Land Nav Instructor. Land Nav is a very difficult subject to teach. Thanks for making this easy to understand Pat Mac!

[@anaMoc1038]

Update: Mission *Wild Mustang Rescue* Down payment secured 600 acres outside Winnemuca, and another 1/4 acre in town with utilities. Assembling a crew now to work the new Lithium/Gold mines to fund the ranch build. Looking at April. Gonna finish this last contract, then jump in a foxhole/get an extra job. Forget Nevada, and just sit here and mow down bills, and gather personnel,water and ammo for the big push in April, just about round up time.

[@marlo916]

Power is not the problem, you can generate power. What's important is the cellular or satellite service that maks GPS or other location services work

[@kellyshea92]

I'm hoping to learn some basic Star/Land Nav. It should be easy for where I live in the Union. Better to be prepared than not.

[@bassblaster162]

Definitely a primitive skill which increases our self-sufficiency. Not having to rely on G00gle maps and other digital media/devices to travel is a good thing, I'm working on teaching my kiddos.

[@dougpoulton5544]

Satellites and cell phones can be shut down with three key strokes on a computer. Anyone living in California during an earthquake can tell you cell phones are shut down during emergencies.

[@jamesgioia2633]

Where is the best place to purchase maps of your local area, and surrounding area? Looking up USGS maps, they don't appear as clear, and as easy to use as the one that you are using. Thanks! Great video!

[@Worstpersonsingular]

This is great. The best beginners video I was able to find

[@JDDV69420]

Why did he start by drawing the Death Star? And why is the Death Star hovering above America? Is the Empire a threat to our democracy?!?

[@kinch613]

People better be prepared ( almost too late) to rub sticks together, purify water, get food primitively, and yes read and navigate by using maps and stars. The powers at be who respresent only themselves are making that a absolutely inevitably!

[@jtyearsley]

If the military made this mandatory viewing for officers, you think it would help?

[@jamesblackburn9145]

With technology l saw people using their phones to try to navigate through the woods. When SHTF just my opinion is that it could be also used to track you. My phone will be ditched. This is a good video and l agree it is a dying art. 👍🏻

[@SteveOhhhhh]

If you’re looking for topo maps of your local area definitely check out USGS.

[@Drawtheline23]

46 38 99 35 When ur protractor is on the far left of the grid at 46,99. Make sure you go right to find 38 and up for 35 😉

[@bsellman6881]

You know a good friend of mine that had a radio podcast some years ago, he was a Green Beret, later it out like it is, no generators no nothing it's 1750 that's where you're at if you can make it in there times and have a little bit of knowledge you got a decent chance with you and your people, I don't think he's wrong!

[@theguat456]

Where would one be able to get that map pouch/sleeve??? Been looking for something that size

[@Stacker_Actual]

Phenomenal fucking vid man. Question though! Where can I get a map of where I live ? Do I head over to a fucking gas station like the old days? Or is there a website where I can purchase maps of my city and state to have?

[@RakkaSan7219]

PatMac.... Or anyone....How can we acquire Mil Tools of our ares?

[@anaMoc1038]

First day lunch. Scrap Yard Been unloading construction bins, separating cast iron/aluminum/copper spun motors/steel, tangled inn chain and clothes hangers, standing inn 6 inches of water. Each piece from the rear differential, to the tiny bolt must be isolated to produce the finest American metals, and tank armor, aircraft wing.

[@hays76]

Best place to get good maps? Preferably with grid squares that work with a protractor.

[@jjt1093]

In the 90s we still used map and compass in the CAF, Ill be honest I got damn lazy and use gps now and seeing this Im digging out the old gear and hitting the maps again still have an idea of it of course not totally forgotten, but most important for me Im not confident in my ability to nav accurately

[@Nointrocody]

This dude is a badass. I'll bet he chews snuff while he drinks his coffee. Badass!!!

[@FERALDOG4]

I use vegetative growth - in the northern hemisphere most of the branches on the trees are leaning toward South. Photosynthesis keeps me from getting “lost”.

[@CoolestDude38NC]

Land nav in rugged terrain at night time is even more difficult. Land nav at night in rugged terrain in bad weather is to me, the very very very highest level of badassery. Higher level than being super good with firearms.

[@bsellman6881]

Truth be known The rascals will be unsurmountable and some money will die and the only way you will live is to have a course of action with a tactical plan! That's my common sense and I am no expert

[@dangeloisaac2453]

This video is amazing! From a young PFC. At DRUM

[@QuantumPyrite_88.9]

Respect sent from North New Mexico SAR . Thanks

[@davec.3198]

Best thing you can do is go hiking with some maps and get yourself lost, then force yourself to nav back to where you need to go.

[@tstorm83]

Who makes the map that you are using? The gold standard?

[@DDGVET4]

Great job. My last land nav was at Camp Shelby in 1987 with the Seabees. The only thing I had forgotten was the LARS rule. Can't wait to see the next video.

[@carlosloomis9308]

Great video. But there was a lot goin on when the protractor was placed on the map. Couldn’t really see what was what.

[@lesmontgomery7]

Thanks for the refresher Pat Mac!!

[@Rando832]

17SPU… god that brings back memories

[@dougvito6297]

Where and or whom from can you obtain your local quadrangle/s from?

[@DataGeek903]

Look up orienteering clubs in your area. Good way to get kids involved

[@forrestmarsh8787]

Absolutely great video. I love this foundational knowledge. So close to magic

[@craigb4449]

Thank you posting. I have zero knowledge on land navigation

[@renhosti]

Probably 30+ yrs ago I got a few great topo maps of my local area, from a site for free. I don't remember where I got them. Is there still a place I can get free or cheap topo maps?

[@physicalstarfighter2131]

It’s a fact we’re locked into a digital world our internet went down the other day for over 24 hours and it shut us down as far as taking care of all your general business let alone trying to navigate.

[@nosaj1231]

This is going to sound like a stupid question. Where do you even get paper maps anymore?