My tent LEAKED - Camping in heavy rain

[@PaulMessner]

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[@proudchristian77]

Hi , a little sajustion, a sm but heavy tarp would be a nice back up for your tent or yourself when or if u need it ,so u not get to cold & wet to get sick from it , but u have some wt so that will help , I don't y I'm suggesting it , ☕🍯🍶🏕

[@JoshTyldesley]

@@proudchristian77 i almost had a stroke trying to read that comment

[@benjaminzac_Man_Wi_A_Tan]

I had a similar problem with LanShan 1 Pro. It was battered about by wind and alot of condensation inside.

[@dudejunior1995]

That opening sequence is something I would expect to see in a movie. Great video as always!

[@soggz4246]

Was in me mates MLD cricket up on the brecons Saturday evening. Had a lot of rain in the morning,but nothing came in,so he said. I was in my £12.00 Lidl tent and as dry as a bone. All the best.

[@PeterDixon]

Hmm Two lad used a Duomid to do the first winter crossing (2015 I think) of the PCT 2663 miles,they took MLD Duomid and said they would take it again

[@tiger2too18]

Glad you are both still chipper despite a disturbed sleep. Great scenery. You had your own personal ‘Lake District’ - outside and inside the tent! Enjoyable content as ever.

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

Ugh, what a nightmare! This, among other things, is why I just won't do flys that don't reach the ground, anymore; not just to block all the rain & splashback, but also because keeping the wind out = keeping the flapping down + also keeps me warmer. I could never be as rugged as you, Paul. Good on ya.

[@camping-k]

You've been through the rain and wind all night. The clouds on the top of the mountain look like fog. Thanks for inviting me to a nice place.

[@interlinga]

Classic camping opening line “Oh god, was not expecting this!”. Haha. Most of us can probably identify with you there. Cheers.

[@watson30999]

Paul, I have just found your channel and been watching your videos back to back for a week. I live down on london and watching your videos and the locations I know and miss so much has done wonders for my mental health!! This video is so brave of you to post and I hope it helped making it. For me contentment is all about contrasts in life, and I hope you have some balance since you posted it. I am full of respect for you and wish you the very best...

[@scrimz8002]

Pitching in a natural drainage spot is probably asking for trouble.

[@kennywoods8713]

That’s why us oldies still love a double skin tent, do you remember the old force 10 tents, bullet proof but heavy.

[@wandering_not_lost]

They are still around. I saw about twenty of them in use at Ten Tors on Dartmoor last weekend, a classic design.

[@kennywoods8713]

@@wandering_not_lost probably not the cotton ones surely they were a bugger to keep the mould at bay. Not for the ultra lighter.

[@wandering_not_lost]

@@kennywoods8713 yes, these were cotton. Vango still make and sell the Force ten tent in two different sizes in cotton, you wouldn't want to backpack with one of these though, far too heavy. If you dry them properly before you put them away mould shouldn't be a problem. I help at my local scouts and they have canvas tents that are forty years old and still in usable condition.

[@simonh6371]

Vango Force 10s! Remember those. I remember the first dome tents, the Phazordome, our scout group had 2 but the leaders used to sleep in them on hikes. Also remember those Blacks Good Companion tents? A bright orange pyramid tent which could sleep 3.

[@wandering_not_lost]

@@simonh6371 I had a Good Companion, an excellent tent.

[@amossutube]

Have used mids from MLD for over 10 years including the duomid and always seam sealed them myself. Id put this shelter as one of the best on the market. Once you get the picth dialled and add a polycro or tyvek groundsheet you'll be laughing. I use a bivi and groundsheet under an MLD mid. With this config the duomid is overkill for 1p but perfect if you have a dog or partner with you. It's a 2p shelter so will catch the wind more than a 1p shelter like the hilleburge.

[@BakaNulified]

Opening scene was beautifully shot. Felt like I was 'on-set' with you. Props to SR and you Paul for coming up with a new idea.

[@TheVaughan69]

This was actually (ironically) a pretty nice, calming video mate. You've got such a relaxed way of approaching things and that shines through here. A great excursion and video, nice one.

[@simonh6371]

Not wanting to sound smug but this is why I only ever camp with a goretex bivvy bag, and a poncho or tarp. I have had too many bad experiences with leaky tents, or tents which weren't leaky but pitched inner first, so pitching in the rain meant you had a wet inner. With a poncho/tarp it doesn't matter if water somehow gets in, I'm guaranteed to be dry and warm in my bivvy bag.

[@daveys]

I agree about the bivvy bag. Makes any sleeping bag a much nicer place and saves you when the tent fails you. I typically carry a bothy bag and a tarp/poncho too. Being wet and cold on the hill changes camping into a survival situation, and as a friend once said “if you’re in a survival situation, you’re doing it wrong”.

[@uknighthuntingvision93]

Brave man Paul, using that Pole tent................ Watched both videos and great to see two perspectives of the same wild camp.

[@andreasweber7828]

Wow. What a difference that opening makes. I know it sucks when the tent leaks but on the other hand it kept a fair bit of water to the outside. Could be worse,ey!

[@WainwrightWalksWiaLocalLad]

Looks like you made a poor pitch selection....and the Duomid needed to be pitched slightly tighter... you need big pegs.....9" Eastons ! Enjoyed the video. Cheers 👍

[@mathowe5982]

Takes me back to my childhood camping in the lakes getting washed out. I enjoyed it thanks.

[@GrizzlyGaz]

Just from the first 30secs I can see this is going to be a great video! Drone and cameraman/woman... Looks stunning pal. 😍

[@GaryB_OutandAbout]

Some harsh conditions haha. Great video 👍🏼 and Stephen’s is superb. Finally got out at the weekend for my Scarp 1’s maiden outing, and my first wild camp since being a kid (it’s been far too long!), thanks to you, as I decided to finally get back to it, after watching your videos. Tent was great, love it. Hope you get the issues sorted, look forward to the next vid. Cheers, Gary.

[@James-gf9jl]

Great opening sequence.

[@gw01walker]

Hi Paul, great video. Why not do a piece on how you seam seal the tent for viewers??

[@gw01walker]

Hi Paul, why not do a video on how you seam seal the tent ??

[@Hajgareful]

A night with not the best weather at all, but a night you will always talk about it, so these kind of moments actually become memories. Also good footage this time. Also your friend is a nice person and yeah we need more videos with him

[@Jqteadventures1659]

What an opening scene! Love it!

[@littlebea814]

Thank you for all the pain that you went through to bring us such a wonderful beautiful sights p thank you so very much may God bless you and keep you safe always peace my friend

[@edwardstroud8245]

Interesting what you say about it being complicated to set up. I thought it was one of the easiest and fastest to set up of all shelters!

[@edwardstroud8245]

That chest rig looks like the Osprey Archeon. I used one on my recent Cumbria Way, doing the mountain route. Great piece of equipment and reasonably priced.

[@StephenJReid]

That’s the one! Love it, favourite bit of kit. I was keeping a telephoto lens in it so I could swap without having to take off my huge pack everytimw.

[@Bam123412]

All the great tents you have and you took a sackcloth up there lol! You need to hire Stephen to film your adventures. Looked like the start of a movie!

[@StephenJReid]

Stephen approves this message 😂 although I’m a ferry trip and a lot of driving away ⛴ 🚐

[@habanjero9974]

Nice dynamic to your videos with some friendly banter.

[@Zillexy]

Wow that opening Scene Looks amazing!

[@kaicameron6401]

You mates do well together. Hope to see the two of you do some more collaborations.

[@WyeExplorer]

You nearly got a drenching Paul - imagine if the bath tub were inverted. That would make you a wild swimmer. Good going. Mark

[@h.bsfaithfulservant4136]

That chest pack looks a handy piece of kit, unless you already have a chest of your own that you can’t see your feet over 🤣 Shame about the leaky tent Paul… that was an unforgiving ‘millimetre’ !😳

[@happycreativemind]

Great video but I’m just wondering why I get boil in the bag meatballs 🤢 and Stephen gets fillet 🥩???? And the only purpose of a tent is to keep you dry! Epic fail!!! It better be going back 😉

[@StephenJReid]

😂😂 He made pavlova for dessert as well 😛

[@happycreativemind]

@@StephenJReid it’s okay, you can have your pavlova and steak, I got a packet of Northern Irish tray bake things so I’m not bitter 😂

[@StephenJReid]

@@happycreativemind 😂😂😂

[@maxt7525]

Always so positive 😞

[@suitedaces1989]

Ask him to make some of those fifteens to make it up to you - they're a no bake recipe and the best thing about northern Ireland!

[@craoutdoors6827]

bloody hell that intro was cinematic, excellent👍👍

[@johnmccarron]

Best way of testing....rain and plenty of it, I'm doing the same at weekend with Trekkertent Drift 1 going up to Glen Nevis at Penny Pass, see how we go, expecting rain. I carry a Bivvy Bag just in case.

[@pootlingalong8928]

Gawd, a tent has one job - to keep you dry. I’d bin that thing when you get home - you’ve got plenty of proper tents. Loved the video though, made me smile, thanks for sharing the bad as well as the good! 😁

[@TheGeezer30]

If pitched correctly this tent is snug to the ground and dry.

[@rogermee8283]

Sorry about the leaking wig wam! You mentioned seam sealing it yourself. I found when seam sealing a Lanshan I used Gear Aid grip sil (Silnet). Mix about a third of the tube in a small container with a little white spirit to achieve a Consistency of runny honey. Using the small brush supplied with the sealant, and wipe off any ‘mistakes’ with a clean cloth with white spirit . You will end up with a lot neater job. Plus a a WWW. (Waterproof Wig Wam) ATB

[@russellatkins6773]

Leaking tent ouch 😓 always a good idea to pack a waterproof bivy bag even if it’s a light weight one . Great video though the start looks epic .

[@kristaps2010]

Start of movie is lovely video shooting format. Looks 4k , no actually 8k doulby :). Sorry off to work will watch later. Yes some still have to work :)

[@BulldogBadger]

Steak for breakfast!! Now thats living! 👏👏👏

[@WalkWithWallace]

Jeez, you got a right soggy night there mate. Good meet up with Stephen though, I've watched him on and off over the years, I like his tech reviews. 😁 👍🏻

[@DaveP668]

Reminds me of a trip to Nantcol. The tent was fine and didn't leak, it is quite cosy hearing the rain when you know you are out of it and sheltered, but not for 48 hours, almost non stop! The water table was by then above ground level and there was no escape from the mini river, which just flowed its way from back to front and into the main river running through the site. Only option was pack up and go home and everything was soaked through.

[@ukpaul9221]

Hi Paul- that was a bit of a slightly draughty location! Not the best of situations to pitch a flimsy lightweight tent! The earl;y part of your vid reminded me of the day I pitched my budget Lichfield Scorpion 2** in the 'relative' calm and within four hours it was blowing a gale and a thunderstorm then lit up the lent like a light bulb.I felt like a crazy (but somehow happy) man, cooking my dinner in the tiny porch. I loved the feeling of fragile security as the tent took all the knocks the weather could throw at it. Thankfully, even with a mild dribble of a nearby stream developing into a raging torrent and the rest of the field being sodden and hideous with wet, i had chosen the one spot that remained unsaturated due to being a slight 'pimple' above the rest which was like the ground you illustrated in the vid. Boggy!. Talk about providence. That was more than 1mm of 'soft refreshings'!! More like 1cm!! At least! i know that the 'tough gigs' can be daunting but isn't it great to get through them and look back? i guess, being from the 'Emerald Isle', Stephen is used to moisture. He certainly found out that we in the UK Mainland are not exempt from it. WHAT IS IT WITH STEAK? OK, it really tastes the business (we all know that) but it makes me feel that we on this side of the pond are getting the same idea as the Yanks, that Steak is the be all and end all,* Over there, they are happy for the S American Rain Forests to be slaughtered for SHORT-TERM prairies for their indecent appetite for the above. I'm still an old-fashioned aficionado of the English bacon and/or sausage, egg and beans with anything that is at hand (the more handy, the merrier). As for the tent in the video, I'd ebay it tomorrow. * ref your recent video about environment ** was RRP £91 in the 90s and I got it for £58 at Springfields in Burton - I treasure that tent like a friend.

[@CuriousGoose]

I think this is my favourite video you've done. It's real, and the banter at the end was brilliant. Although I do want to know about that pack. More genuine (non review) and collab videos please.

[@DanOpdal]

Thank you for sharing your adventure! Cheers!

[@thedaftestnameicouldthinko8233]

Paul, Ron needs to hear about this. They’ve gone for neat seam sealing instead of bombproof. Britain needs bombproof. Any leakage through the seams gets hurled about the tent when a gust strikes so I consider this a serious shortcoming. You might want to mention 146K subscribers but MLD usually give helpful replies and Ron has always replied himself to my few emails. It’s a good job fixing the problem isn’t difficult but, if you’ve paid for a service, it should be correctly. My own Duomid is DCF and I love it.

[@motorboy23]

My Duomid is DCF, I wouldn't trust the nylon ones in the UK, too much wind on exposed hills, the DCF gets a much tighter pitch and doesn't sag when it gets wet.

[@daviemaclean61]

Next review - waterproof jim jams! Epic scenery once the rain went off though ;-)

[@walkandwonder1209]

Hi Paul I walked past you last Thursday as you were coming down Ladybower Tor probably from Derwent moor area you said hello, what are the chances of running into to you? I carried on along Derwent Edge up to the trig point good seeing you out and thanks for the videos I'll be interested to see the next one.

[@marcuscastle]

Nice opener. Great intro set up!!

[@OldBenjaminKenobi]

Someone’s stepped up their videography game. Awesome video mate!!

[@edwardkenny2356]

The scenic photography was stunning. Such a beautiful area for hikes. Thank you.

[@StephenJReid]

Was feeling somewhat smug in my tent hearing yours flapping all night 😂 Thanks again for showing me this amazing location, was a pleasure meeting you even if you did insult our national traybake. Better watch out as a fella with a special set of skills is from my hometown 😛😂😂 Will definitely have to get you over to the Mourne Mountains or the Causeway Coast sometime 🙂 Some additional comments from Louise: “I wouldn’t call that a tent, it’s more of a roof. There’s a dirty great hole in the middle. STOP SHOWING US THIS TERRIBLE RAIN! He’s got his bread on a fish chopping board! I’d want some sauce on that!”

[@ironkid8836]

I saw you mld in another video after you sold it I'd live a tipi myself or a mid I find my helm 1 compact is just too compact greatnfro packing away but I need a bit more space for my biker gear too

[@danjeory3659]

I thought you'd discovered some nice, moody filters and new lenses when I saw the opening! Nice job from Stephen 👍

[@georgedunham1180]

The weather might have been bad but the views of that steak butty were spectacular oh and the lakes were'nt bad either

[@IrelandRider]

That looked like the worst F....ing camp ever, but it's not all about the glamour, it f...ks...up sometimes and it was nice to see that you shared your experiences. Good video in a funny sorta way 👌

[@nseight]

Epic views * Thank you for taking us along :-)

[@NotAnotherAdventure]

That opening sequence was just beautiful, and some of the rain shots just felt like pure ASMR! Shame about the rain, but it just adds to the experience right?

[@StephenJReid]

It definitely added to the atmosphere!

[@SteveSingerFowkes]

Steak for breakfast? Nooooo! Gotta be porridge every time! Low glycemic... releases energy slowly throughout the day! Great as ever video tho Paul

[@jeffreyalmond7376]

Not the best of nights, or tents, but kudos for toughing it out. Keep up the good work Paul.

[@marcusallwood9569]

Uuuuuffff sir, that looks wet, I'd be pissed at that seam sealing too.....Great content as always, just shows that Mountain forecast isn't always right and that camping isn't always sunshine and sunsets 👍

[@tooyoungtobeold8756]

What trousers is Stephen wearing? I like the look of them, not too baggy like my Montanes.

[@jbrooks12]

Beautiful opening.

[@ivanpopovic1266]

You're going to have to drag Stephen on your trips. Awesome into. 👍

[@jonfoulkes3160]

I gave a clap when he cracked the beer, go ed lad 👊👊

[@otf.outdoors]

Nice one Paul, that rain was non stop, atleast the tent got put thru its paces properly, better to find out it leaks now rather than if you're by yourself with no backup shelter, great video mate 👍

[@davidjackson8829]

The steak sandwich looked awesome. That chest pack is a cool idea. Everything which is important at hand instantly. What make was it?

[@greenpanda7121]

This type of tent is great in conditions that barely require a tent at all. The Lake district is a great place to test how truly waterproof your kit setup. Great frying pan, recently bought one, loving the coating and overall design. Look forward to seeing what your next tent is, though I haven't found a truly remarkable tent that weighs under 3kg yet.

[@RebelRDX]

Nemo Kunai 2p 😁 The reason I'd suggest my Nemo as remarkable is down to it being a tent that can be used in the mountains, it'll take heavy weather, it has 4 (extra) guy lines that attach directly to the inner pole structure which when the wind starts to hit 40mph + becomes really useful. It has enough pole cross over to take snow loading and crosswinds, and lastly the inner mesh panels can be zipped and covered over in seconds so that no spin drift or fine snow can enter the tent. The same panels can be completely opened up for summer air flow. It's also a 2kg tent . Beat that!! ( @greenpanda it's not a cheap tent but it's also not up there with Hilleberg pricing, if you can afford to try one out I couldn't recommend it enough. It's a bit short on pegs and cord out of the bag, but that seems to be the way of most 'premium' tents over the last two decades and I wouldn't lose sleep over it.)

[@damark376]

MSR Hubba NX (1.2kg)

[@greenpanda7121]

@@RebelRDX I will check it out, thanks. When I said remarkable, I suppose I meant without any immediate obvious flaws. For example, the Hilleberg Akto is a very impressve 1.7kg, 4 season tent with great stability and ventilation options, but still condensation is an issue and internal height is a factor.

[@RebelRDX]

@@greenpanda7121 Ugh the Akto. They never look 'right' even after spending most of the evening adjusting the guy lines! Always want to sag somewhere. I've never met anyone interesting who used a Hilleberg they are always so serious 😂

[@greenpanda7121]

@@RebelRDX It is very similar to a lightweight Jannu. Maybe more versatile, less wind stable, but with a very angular vestibule which leaves usable space for cooking/storage limited. I guess that comes down to personal preference though, what works for some doesn't work for others.

[@malcbarrass7090]

I had a similar experience on Kinder Scout just using my DD tarp in pouring down rain I finished up with an 1/2 inch deep moat all the way round the tent and inside the tent a raised island in the middle kept me dry.

[@Sir-Kay]

How did you raise the tent to form that island?

[@Sir-Kay]

@@malcbarrass7090 Could you explain in details how you raise the ground? I mean, how is that done, are you really serious? you raised the floor of the tent, how?

[@malcbarrass7090]

@@Sir-Kay which part of "a raised island in the middle" are you not understanding? I didn't raise it, it was already there.

[@malcbarrass7090]

@@Sir-Kay 🪜

[@Sir-Kay]

@@malcbarrass7090 So, don't say you raised anything then, say buy a tent that was designed with a raised island. Do you see where you keep misleading people now? you were talking as if any person could just raise any tent's island and problem solved, no! you have the right tent design and that was what helped you, anybody with the wrong tent can't apply your suggestion. I know you know where I'm coming from now unless you're still in denial.

[@havealookski]

Sucks when it rains but hopefully you'll still have some good memories from the trip.

[@bob_the_bomb4508]

Good job it wasn’t an expensive one… …oh.

[@johnr.1068]

I bet you were dreaming of all the other options on your tent shelf all night. I'd happily carry my Quasar up there for an overnighter in those conditions for the piece of mind. Good review of the ThermaRest as a lilo, pleased you didn't float off downstream 🤣

[@chrisfoster8603]

I think I would have packed up the tent and gone and bothied at wainscarth or dubs hut 😀 well done sticking it out.

[@thefellcamper5358]

My mate was staying in dubs hut that night, they said Paul popped in on them haha

[@mr.145]

I have a £45 Vango Soul 200 used it dozens of times in heavy rain at Motorcycle race meetings. Give it a spray of Fabsil a few weeks before using and it never leaks.

[@shushuters]

Is it the MLD solomid xl? The link you show are unable to connect…. (I’m thinking to buy it 😮…)

[@GoingSoloOutdoors]

Definitely a wet one. Whenever you get that perfect mix of wind and rain it really makes you appreciate tents that have a fly that goes all the way to the ground! Entertaining as always Paul!

[@Joeb4iley]

If you shorten the pegging points right down and lower the trekking pole you can nail a mid to the floor. Or go the other way for awesome ventilation on calmer days 👍

[@GoingSoloOutdoors]

@@Joeb4iley yeah I do that with my other tipi tents! I just find it a bit fiddly to get it just right if the ground isn’t completely level. I’ve become spoiled by pole tents I suppose. The Tipi design definitely can give the best of both worlds though 👍. As long as the inner doesn’t become too loose when lowering the outer to the ground.

[@matthewgrace6915]

Smashing it with the production quality. Nice one Paul.

[@lukejefferson7822]

Loved the video Paul keep them coming

[@EverythingWasGreat]

Nice drone shots in the intro.

[@pearse8783]

I was on Fleetwith Pike last Thursday/Friday and the wind was howling through the night! Luckily the rain held off! Great vid as always 👌🏼

[@TonyHobbs]

Tip. Lengthen pole a tad or loosen line at back especially back left and tighten front lines to help tighten that rear corner. You don't want that corner as loose as that. When I took my DD pyramid I wasn't sure how good sealing was so took a tube and whacked a bit on from inside on two spots then when stopped raining put a dab outside opposite and that sorted it. Although I'd not expect that in your situation... looks like just a few spots so just do the bits that leaked hopefully not all needs doing again. Interesting camp. What day were you in lakes? I was camping there Wednesday to Saturday three nights got lucky no rain lol

[@DaveVaughan2004]

One pitched correctly here…. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYirhZWqd8toi6M

[@dpax100]

That was quite a wash out. Those seams don't look taped but all the same did ok considering the 1 mm rain 😉

[@Amack1966]

What set up did you use for cooking please Paul?

[@CalmingAnxiety]

Someones been on a video editing course 😍 Ive just been away for the weekend, camping to see friends with the wife. Decent site, went by car so we had duvets and pillows. I slept like a log. Different world to my wild camping fun but still very enjoyable. Your videos and thoughts just keep getting better and better. Awesome stuff. Thank you.

[@northernswedenstories1028]

MLD make very high quality tents. This is definitely not normal. I guarantee MLD would replace it for you without question.

[@TonyHobbs]

I've used the silnylon trailstar in horrendous weather dry as a bone. Agree with you. Or simply remember where the drips were and add some sealant to it. Good to see a popular KZbinr using MLD even quality products can slip occasionally. Paul will figure it all out he's still learning 😉 😆

[@ipaales7552]

A great video paul loved the intro 👌..a great spot to camp up there albeit better in the sun mate and steak for breakfast now thats special, the shelter yeah may need some work but all part of the experience paul, cheers marra class again all the best 👍 😀 🏕

[@Stoitism]

I'd have buggered off along to dubs hut or warnscale bothy if my tent leaked and I was up that way! Bad luck paul, it happens to the best of us!

[@btb2319]

Gotta love a booths

[@everyoneknowsadave3580]

looks like the stitching may need some sealing from the inside as well 😳 …. pyramid style tents can be tricky to set up …. i start by pegging out the back to form a triangle … then putting the trekking pole in the center then pegging out the zippered door … then putting in the pegs on the remaining corners … it goes up quickly first time …. pegging out all four corners first time just doesn’t work … well not for me anyway … camping in weather like that is just a miserable experience… thanks for sharing your adventure 👍👍

[@thevanthatrocked]

Surprised you didn't put garlic butter on the bread and fry it in your pan until nice and crispy. Saw Gordon Ramsey do it😮

[@Wild.cat.adventures]

Leaky tents are not the one lol! Good to see u out with Stephen, already follow his channel, will check out his vid later. Hope u n Jo are good ATB👩&🐕

[@luisrosario1415]

Thank you for sharing What kind of tent was that?

[@stevelewis7077]

Did you ever find out?

[@samtalbot-cross2621]

Bloody hell where did that opening sequence come from? That was rather cinematic

[@dareknaszlaku]

Was it Lanshan ? Did You sim sealed it after purchasing? I got one but haven’t done it yet, but even manufacturer states that it got to be done by ourselves.

[@ChatMotorsport]

I was just thinking, there's no WAY I'd camp in that weather! then the morning view... I think it'd make up for it!

[@nikospapageorgiou57]

Dear Paul, I think you misheard, they didn't say a mm of rain, they said a km.🤣 Nevertheless, I love these stormy adventures and the view up there is simply breathtaking!

[@chaoichi]

my mate has the MLD duo and he's used shock cord to connect the inner to the outer so makes the pitch a lot faster and easier so might be food for thought. gutted about those seams. I have ordered a liteway tent thats a similar design