Ryzen 9800X3D vs 7800X3D? 🛑 Will Ryzen 9000 Be Saved? - Q&A August 2024

[@PCBuilderChannel]

▶Sponsor: Windows 10 Pro ($17) biitt.ly/kPBz6 What are your thoughts on Ryzen 9000 or 9800X3D? Are you buying a new CPU or GPU now or waiting? What games are you excited about? Tell your story in a new comment below!

[@robertgowdey]

Nice work Jason!!!

[@MaryannLynch-z9c]

I think 9800X3D (or 9950X3D if they get that right also) in about a year price performance wise. Am open to they seem to be running Ryzen 9000 better on Linux currently. Likely I'm waiting, 12900KF 4090 48gb DDR5 still kicking but am open to upgrading during AM5 sometime. A lot of people if they have a recent CPU should likely go for a GPU upgrade. We'll have to see how kicking these X3D chips are next month.

[@michaeloneill1360]

4k looking really great this morning! I'm sticking with Zen 4 Ryzen 7000. Question: Is 'King Spec' a reliable brand for: nvme's?? They're going for Dirt Cheap Prices on Newegg.ca

[@kommandokodiak6025]

I dare you to buy a bodycam and run your video vocal inflections IRL for 24 hours. The reactions will be gold.

[@TonyMasters-u2w]

My thoughts: Zen 5 added 30% more logic for floating and integer operations however despite of that it's not fulfilling the performance even with PBO, but why? the obvious issue (apart from TDP throttling and admin mode) is slow Memory access this is because AMD used the same 6nm I/O chip as for Zen 4 the I/O chip contains Memory Controller and Infinity Fabric, I'm not sure which of them is badly designed but this I/O chip was even a bottleneck for Zen 4 that's why X3D cache provides huge performance boost. But even the cache itself is slowing down access to RAM AMD needs re-architect the access to memory or even switch to HBM since they do redesign anyway but without any changes I believe X3D has not reached it's bottleneck yet and therefore 9800X3D will be around 20-30% faster than 7800X3D

[@mihirojha4475]

Ryzen 9000: The best advertisement for Ryzen 7800X3D

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Right??

[@immagoat8696]

I was on the fence to wait or to buy a 7800x3d now. Saw the launch. Bought a 7800x3d. lol

[@derp24lordz]

Just built my first PC and was waiting to see how Ryzen 9000 performed before buying my 7800X3D

[@king_sovan]

Hi, Im also building a pc with 7800x3d, but I can't pick the right liquid cooler for it. Can you tell me, which cooler did you choose in your build?​@@immagoat8696

[@miguelv431]

😂😂😂

[@adamcowlam5527]

I took your advice and upgraded from a 3700X & GTX 1080 to a 5700X3D and used RX 6800 XT, it's amazing! Thank you!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Great to hear! Congrats on your upgrade and so glad we could help!

[@ookami-chan3328]

used 6800 xt is gotta be one of the best values for gpu rn. I've decided on that for my gpu upgrade.

[@OutChiller]

Should have gotten the Ryzen 4070...

[@mirrorportal1587]

@@OutChiller That joke’s getting a bit old now.

[@2hotscot]

@@mirrorportal1587 I prefer the RTX 5800X3D

[@JasonLewisNJ]

I agree the 7800X3D is the way to go right now, just recently converted to AMD after my I9-13900K was damaged from the microcode issue (Great for the first year,). Swapped to AMD paired with and X670E and the system runs like a charm with no issues and cooler too (under volted with the PBO2 curve optimizer). Plus you can really good deals on the CPU and Motherboard combos. Got the 7800X3D, MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk, 64GB G.Skill 6000 CL30 Ram kit and a Crucial 1TB Gen 4 M.2 drive for $754 in a combo at Microcenter a few weeks back.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thanks for sharing!

[@2hotscot]

Microcenter's combos are killing it over the past few years. What is your GPU? If you need more space, watch the pricing on the Team Group MP44Q 4TB drive. I got the Gen3 model for like $230 last December and the newer Gen4 model is under $220.

[@JasonLewisNJ]

@@2hotscot I already had a 4090 GPU, and 3 Samsung m.2 drives (a 1TB 980Pro and 2 2TB 980Pro), The reason I got the Cruical 1TB was for two reasons. First I wanted a new boot drive so I could start fresh and make sure before reusing my old drive. And 2nd I read the reports on the MSI motherboard that there were issues where the rebooting sometimes would "loose" the drive with certain brands in the gen 5 m.2 slot (Reportedly Samsung and WD drives). The 1TB crucial was on sale for $70. The rest of the existing system was the 4090 GPU, Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer III AIO, Corsair 1200W PSU all in a Fractal Meshify 2 case. I looked at the Team Group drives but at the time I was worried of that reported bug, So i stuck with a brand/model on the QVL list..

[@MrAnimescrazy]

​@JasonLewisNJ nice high end build.

[@STiStein]

Bought a 7800X3D and a 4070 Super Ti a week ago. Thanks for the hard work you put in to these videos brother!

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Nice build.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Congrats on the purchase!! You're so welcome, thanks for watching ;)

[@siema14123]

I just snatched a 7800x3d on a $50 discount. If the 9800x3d was any good it'd be hyped up way more than it is now. It will probably be like 10-15% more performance for 20% more price and 7800x3d will raise in price because of that

[@neonomad6639]

Even if 9800X3D be the savior it will be extremely overpriced due to high demands.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Sadly this has been AMD's pattern. But they also usually relent and cut prices pretty fast unlike Intel and NVIDIA.

[@JahonCross]

That's a good thing it will bring down the price of the 7800x3d

[@509212301]

Maybe in a year or two the price would come down to a reasonable level, just like how 7800X3D did

[@MrMOGHammer]

Thing is I wouldn’t wait for the 9000 series savior, the performance gains that we see could simply be that it runs on the same platform than 7000 so there might be physical limitations. Maybe when AM6 comes out there’s gonna be a more significant boost just like between AM2-AM3, AM3-AM4 and so on. But that’s the trade off when they keep a platform for many generations of cpus to keep the upgrade path interesting, you won’t have huge performance boosts but more like improvements, more cores, more like an updated platform instead of a real upgrade.

[@robbay8610]

​@@JahonCrossdepends. If you look at the price of 5800x3d. It's still pretty expensive for being pretty old at this point.

[@Darkslide2AR-FE]

Definitely very happy I opted for the Ryzen 5 7600 and RX 7900 GRE

[@gman9552]

9800X3D sounds like a 7800X3D with more tweaking options for couple more fps. The actual uplift may only come with the next generation.

[@JomeFromWork]

Didn't expect to have Ryzen 4070 section at the ending 😂😂

[@PCBuilderChannel]

We got so many comments about it lol!

[@topgeneralfaith9983]

Best graphics card

[@louisfriend9323]

Ryzen 4000 mobile zen2+GCN5 so pretty meh. You'd think 4070 is a typo, but you never know with AMD's laptop naming scheme xD

[@caliginousmoira8565]

the legend must live on

[@caliginousmoira8565]

@@louisfriend9323 i see.... you don't actually own the legendary Ryzen 4070.

[@pablogualo]

I’m on my way to pick up the 5700X3D, upgrading from a 3700X and a 6700XT 🎉🎉 Most of the time, I’m working as a software developer in Linux, but now I want to play more games 😄

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Nie!! Congrats on the upgrade. See our "how to upgrade your pc 2024" video if that's helpful.

[@anon45x57fg]

I think it's overdue a Collab vídeo between ZTT and PC Builder. No jokes, I think you 2 would make a great partnership, even a one of a lifetime. Thanks for the great info. God bless you

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Sounds like great time!

[@Modifiedd_]

Thank you for your videos! Upgrading my PC has been easy with your videos and professional opinions ! 7800x3d and 4070ti Super combo have made 1440 so smooth !

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So glad to have helped! Congrats on your upgrade! Show off a build pic if you like on twitter/threads @pcbuilderjason

[@virtualb01]

Step 1 - waited for 9000 series, they disappointed Step 2 - wait for 9000x3D or Arrow Lake Core Ultra Step 3 - missed out on 7800x3D this whole time Going to literally just have to pull the trigger soon…waiting trying to figure out if next gen will eventually be worth it keeps proving to be wrong play.

[@banana_bread_at_work]

Same boat

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Its frustrating for sure! But at least if you go with the 7800X3D you will get a fantastic gaming experience.

[@jrtalkin5558]

You can always get a 7800x3d now and sell it when you want to upgrade to next gen x3d. That’s what I plan to do anyways

[@everything-bagel]

Ya same here. I'm just going to get a late-to-the-game 7800x3D, then sell it on ebay after I get the eventual 9800x3D 😑

[@therealest297]

You’ll keep getting in the same trap with that mindset, cause I have waiting for the newest cpu/gpu to come out to see if it’s worth it. I’d just get the 7800x3d during a sale (maybe when it drops below $350?) because it will 100% be more than enough for the next few years . Unless they decide 16k resolution is needed because we need more clarity in games…

[@jasonsmuts7934]

Super happy I pulled the trigger on getting the 7800X3D just before Zen 5 came out, looks like I'm not missing out much

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Yes!! Congrats on the build!!

[@mastershultz]

Same, bought into am5 when microcenter 7800x3d/mb/ram bundle dipped to $450. No regrets

[@gezimlimoni2319]

Same,, just cost me at Microcenter 500$,,,runs perfect and super happy!

[@yubrandomain]

same, got refund on my 14900k and got a 7800X3D. Night and day difference, cooler and WAY more efficient. I overclock and once I discovered the microcode issue on the power draw, was already too late and been degraded. Had a 5950x for my capture machine and a great chip! As a long time Intel computer build and overclocker, Intel better be scared of the X3D chips.

[@TheOneShadyCat]

Same here

[@K.R.98]

I‘m happy that my comment made it into your video 🎉☺️

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thanks for comment!!

[@dotxyn]

Part of AMD's strategy is to make their previous gen more attractive. The latest gen is priced high and for early adopters, then will become attractive once their previous gens sell thru enough and it gets price cuts. Zen 4 pricing moved Zen 3, Zen 5 will keep moving Zen 4, RDNA3 moved RDNA2, etc

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Well they are nailing that this time! (;

[@Auruchius]

I deeply appreciate the answer here jason! Reason I've been asking is because Im driving a super ultrawide and i have to rely on heavy upscaling and lowering settings to barely achieve 60 fps as a baseline, and i don't feel like it has been cutting it for me. I just can't justify the RTX 50 series at launch, so the value is much better for the 4080 or an XTX later down the line.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thanks for the question! Its a good one and I'm sure lots of folks are in the same boat.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What is your budget?

[@3dchick]

Still happy with my 5950, lol. Keeping it does make me feel like I should be yelling at people to get off my lawn at this point, but I'm keeping it for the foreseeable future. 😂

[@sstier48]

If you're serious about gaming grab a 57-5800 x3d.. those things are basically equivalent to the new gen non-x3d flagships

[@3dchick]

@@sstier48 Im not a gamer, which is why I don't need the super fast. I'm all about capacity for 3d animaiand rendering, mostly in Unreal, but some Blender, too. ☺️

[@timometsanoja9666]

5950 is still a very solid CPU. I don't think you will be seeing many issues due to it for a couple of years still... The new platform is better, but it is not like it went from 20 to 200 with that upgrade. More like 20 to 24...

[@mrdinosaurproductions9507]

That’ll last you a while!

[@Hybris51129]

This whole launch feels like I am reliving the Vega launch or 1st/2nd gen Ryzen. Tons of hype but reality is extremely disappointing and doesn't come close to meeting even pessimistic expectations.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Very frustrating!

[@b-spiral8314]

19:02 as someone who's jumping onto the scene for the 1st time after a decade on my current laptop, this section was what i needed to hear. With everyone on their 3000 series or amd equivalent stressing to wait, i keep justifying, "I've waited 10 years, i can wait another 6 months." I need to relax and pull the trigger.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What is your budget?

[@b-spiral8314]

@@MrAnimescrazy $2k give or take a few hundred for the pc itself

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@b-spiral8314 ok are you going to buy the parts soon? Do you need help?

[@Cris1Mac]

I didn't wait for the 5090. 4090 will be enough for now. If I can only get Amazon to deliver it, it's been sitting at an Amazon carrier facility in my city for 2 days.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Sending good vibes!

[@Cris1Mac]

@@PCBuilderChannel The good vibes worked. Just updated, Out for delivery 😮 It's nice they use a 6 digit pin that you need to give to receive it. Considering how expensive these GPU’s are.

[@2hotscot]

@@Cris1Mac Especially with all the Amazon orders of cell phones being stolen right out of the driver's hands.

[@khakha-c4g]

4090 will be enough for many years ( more than 5 years ) not only now ^_^

[@MrAnimescrazy]

​@@Cris1Macwelcome to the 4090 club and what are the rest of your specs?

[@Zulgore115]

I'm working on my first build only need 4 parts of the build I'm super excited! I'm using the Antec DF700 Flux, RoG Strix B650E-F, Ryzen 7 7800x3D, Radeon RX 7800XT, Thermaltake TH360 V2 Ultra, G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo 6000 MHz 64GB, WD_BLACK 4TB SN850X NVMe M.2 and the Pure Power 12 M 1000W, ATX 3.1, 80 Plus® Gold. Most of this build was based off of one of your videos I just increased memory size and different graphics card. Thank you!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Best wishes on your build!

[@Zulgore115]

@@PCBuilderChannel Thank you! I kind of messed with a pre built pc back in 2017. I bought it from someone for $150 but I put it in a new case cleaned it up and upgraded the ram added a Wi-Fi card but that's about it but I haven't had a PC since 2019. I've missed having one... LoL

[@MrAnimescrazy]

That is a nice high end build.

[@stuartmellors1452]

Hey there PCBuilder, I hate to pose the question and I understand if this goes unanswered but I’m planning on getting a pc. My the case I’ve chosen is the Corsair 6500x and I’ll be running the 7800X3D. What motherboard would be best for it? Thank you in advance

[@kelley09162]

Any ATX Motherboard listed in his best Ryzen Motherboard and 7800X3D Build video would be good. Don't like that Case though as it's expensive and doesn't include any fans. If you prefer that type of Case go with the Montech King 95 Pro. It's cheaper than that Corsair and includes 6 Fans.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Hop over to our 7800X3D build guide! We cover our picks for motherboard, ram, cooler, etc there!

[@mariodevita661]

Rog strix b650-e-e gaming wifi and Asus rog strix x670-e gaming wifi

[@geoffreystraw5268]

Normally the 9800x3d would be priced really high but even if it is as fast as AMD says I think they hurt themselves so much that it will be 450 again I believe but that's just a gut feeling. If its good it might be 500 bucks which is sad. I have been waiting for this chip for over a year and I am really concerned I should have just gotten a 7800x3d. I have a 7700x and I told myself do not upgrade until zen5 3d chips. Crossing fingers this was a good idea.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Fingers crossed! But at least you have a solid CPU right now

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Yeah if the performance of the 9800x3d is not enough then I would definitely get the 7800x3d.

[@kirby0louise]

I kinda saw this coming. Ryzen 9000 improved only in IPC (tbf, by a lot in some workloads) and memory controller. Everything else is copy+paste from Zen4. What does that mean? It means performance improvement is essentially 100% application dependent. If your game or app likes the changes AMD made, you will see a big uplift. If it doesn't, you might not see any difference. And reviews reflected this, some (Level1Techs, LTT) were positive, others (HWUB, GN) were not. And what do you know, all of them had hugely different benchmark suites. Personally there were some big gains in code compilation that are very exciting to me. I will upgrade to 9950X3D or it's Intel equivalent once those CPUs hit store shelves

[@tmkongen]

It's a binned 9700x... Short answer is no unless they do some magic with the cache. 7800X3D is a beast for what it is.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Truth

[@Kapono5150]

Zen 5 launch 🚀 was very underwhelming, but still better than a unreliable intel chip

[@VatiWah]

im also on a 9900k.. need to upgrade within the next few months for work related reasons. gonna wait for 15th gen arrowlake (assuming its Q3) since i dont wanna gamble with intel 13th or 14th gen. although... i assume 15th gen cpu AND especially a new motherboard, will be super expensive. or gonna go for a 7950x since 9950x now needs core parking, which is kinda ewww. im kinda waiting for a combo deal from microcenter for a 7950x.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Yup I would get the 7950x.

[@B_Machine]

I wouldn't worry about the ryzen 4070. 8 gigs of 3D V-cache isn't enough for the price unless you're playing esports games at 1920x1080 hz.

[@Zxanonblade]

W h a t

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Its just science!

[@Moes_Prep_and_Tech]

Im currently rocking a 5900x with a 3090. I haven't been a huge gamer over the past couple years but I still like having a nice setup I'm wondering what my next upgrade path should be?

[@bigpoint58]

even a 5080 would do justice.maybe trade power consumption with VRAM but have new DLSS technology and gaming performance overall. But I think I´ll even wait for the super or TI chips. Often times you pay even less after a year and get better VRAM. I use 3080 but the 5080 might have a cheaper alternative after a year with even more VRAM.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What is your budget?

[@Moes_Prep_and_Tech]

@@MrAnimescrazy budget really isn't too much of an issue but, I do want something that puts out good performance without using a whole lot of energy my 3090 bakes me room in the summer

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@Moes_Prep_and_Tech I will recommend a 4080 super or 4090 build. I will get back to you with a parts list and keep the price resonable. I will do an all white build and if you dont like all white then you can swap the parts for all black. I will ask some questions first. Do you want an all black or all white build? A mid tower or large tower case? Do you have a monitor? Do you 2k or 4k monitor if you dont have one? Ips or oled or VA panel? How many hertz 120 or 144 or 180 or 200+?

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@Moes_Prep_and_Tech For reference my pc is my profile picture. I went all out with my first all white build with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 g skill cl30 latency 6,000 mhz ram in the white phanteks nv7 case. Your pc parts list is for an all white build but if you want black just swap the parts. The case - lian li o11 vision, motherboard - b650 gigabyte aorus elite ax ice, ssd - gen 4 4 terabyte samsung 990 pro, ram - corsair vengeance rgb 16 x 2 for 32 gigs ddr5 cl30 latency 6,000mhz ( gray ), vertical gpu mount ( optional ) - phanteks vertical gpu mount, 360 aio - phanteks 360d30 glacier, gpu - gigabyte aero oc 4090 24 gigs vram, case fans - phanteks d30 140mm reverse fans ( for the bottom fans ) and 2 normal phanteks d30 120mm, power supply - thermaltake toughpower gf a3 snow 1,050 watt gold rated, strimmer cables ( optional ) - Lian li v2 strimmer cables the 12 + 4 pin and the 24 pin, the cpu - amd 7800x3d ( which is the best for gaming ). The total on Amazon is 3,510 dollars with the optional items and you can use affirm or klarna to pay monthly if you don't want to pay for everything all at once. I can make the 4090 build cheaper with a different case and fans if that is too much.

[@defectiveclone8450]

I got myself a 7600 for cheap :) running great. Zero ram issues. Boot time is the same as my AM4 System on a Gygabite B650M Ice motherboard + Gskill Neo 6000 CL30 36 36 96

[@mtrps_]

tbh, best practice is to always lag behind buying/adopting tech 4- 5 years, will always work in your favor in terms of price, security and stability.

[@eclxys]

would make it like 2-4 for more demanding ppl and headroom but agree

[@PCBuilderChannel]

There are some advantages to not being an early adopter!

[@nostrum6410]

i usually find buying the upper mid tier soon after release is the best plan

[@michaeloneill1360]

@@PCBuilderChannel Early Adopters pay the Price & suffer the Pain for all of us! Example: In 1982 my friend paid $600.00 Cad. for a Single Tray CD Player!!!

[@konev13thebeast]

Currently eyeing a 7900x for my next build because of this

[@williammunny9206]

Good morning Mr. Jason and crew, outlaw kitties!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Good morning! Kitties say hi!

[@GC-by6iz]

i currently have a 7600x and was planning to upgrade to the 9800X3D eventually. Given the sad state of affairs of the 9000 series though, is there even a point? Should I just go with the 7800X3d instead?

[@kelley09162]

If you're still happy with the 7600X then I would keep that until the 9800X3D. Then you can decide between the two CPUs.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Yup keep the 7600x then wait for the 9800x3d to come out and be compared to the 7800x3d and if the performance gains are big enough and if it fits within the budget then you can upgrade.

[@facelessvaper]

I just purchased a used sapphire nitro+ RX6800[non-XT] going from my rx5600xt...Sold a load of tech for half of the £380 price with 24 months warranty... So happy!

[@DavidMiller-dt8mx]

My understanding is that the 9000 series is a whole new architechure. I'm not sure what the goal was, and I wonder what this means for the next generation.

[@il-conte]

Probably efficiency, as the new processors have the same performance of the previous generation but with 30W less. I think this architecture is oriented to the server world.

[@IGame4Fun2]

Slightly new architecture on the two chiplets, the IO chip is same, also 3d cache will be same, so 9000x3d will be also 5-10% from 7800x3d at best

[@DavidMiller-dt8mx]

@@il-conte I think you're right, there. I wonder what that means for this generation's Epyc.

[@mariushoudiny4037]

Hello there, I want to build a new pc so i got online and found this combo, your opinion will be much appreciated : - ryzen 7800x3d - psu seasonic focus gx 1000w atx 3.0 - mb asus tuf gaming X670E plus wifi - gpu rx 7800xt - ddr gskill trident z5 neo 2x16 gb 6000mhz cl30 - noctua nh d15, (on their site they say it will be enough to keep the cpu in its optimal temperature), case, ssd and HDD (already have it). I just want to play some new games and do the normal stuff on a daily basis, no content creator. Thanks, keep up the good work.

[@kelley09162]

The Motherboard and CPU Cooler are overkill. Going cheaper on those would allow you to upgrade your GPU to the 7900GRE. I like the rest of the build though.

[@LucDesormeaux]

Hey Jason. I'm a bit torn here. I want to the a new AMD CPU, but not sure what to get. I'm debating of a 7600x, because it's pretty cheap, but I'm wondering if I should go with a 7800X3D or a 9600X. The 7800X3D is about twice the price of a 7600X, in Canada, and the 9600X it smack in the middle price wise. Any help/insight would be great. I'm mainly gaming and doing content creation, but very rarely.😀

[@KOT-ANGRY]

Its windows problem (HW Unboxed 4 days ago tested, OMG) im interested how much performance will give 7800x3D with Admin user account 😬?

[@weirdodude1173]

Great videos! I have a 9700X and I like it, but it's definitely not a big improvement. For sure these Zen 5's need a real price reduction for what we're getting. Having said that, there is more headroom with these chips and their clock speeds. For 9800X3D I think it's possible that they figure it out like with the 7800X3D and it doesn't need all the power to do well. It could run closer to 6GHz. I expect it to be expensive, maybe $499. Thumbs up!

[@jamegumb7298]

Just got a 4070 Super. It is whatever. The better CUDA performance compared to 3060 is good enough for me.

[@AthamAldecua]

I grabbed the 7800X3D on day one. I would still go with it if I were to build a new system today.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Nice!

[@mariodevita661]

​@@PCBuilderChannelHello. I have i7 12700k 😣

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Yup me too. What are the rest of your specs?

[@DarrellEarwood]

Great video Jason. I know that the performance between the 5800x3d and 7800x3d is a pretty significant considering the faster memory. Surely the gains wont be that huge running the same memory right? Is there a DDR6 ram coming in the near future? Where is all this headed? 10800x3d and DDr6 ram. GeForce rtx 9090?

[@Chiefgeargrinder]

Yes the 9000 Ryzen WILL be SAVED after a year of Windows, Chipset Drivers, and Bios updates just like every other Ryzen Launch.

[@Zulu-om8fu]

Hello Jason - apreciate your work! Please in your opinionwhat is better to get for 7800X3D - Strix B650E-E for 320€ or x670E TUF Gaming PLus for 250€? Thank you!

[@MJBOGAN]

So I'm glad I didn't wait to buy a ryzen 9000 series CPU when my computer needed replacing two weeks ago, I ended up with a r5 7600x for a good deal, it's a nice improvement over my old i5 10600kf, and works with the MSI 240mm cooler I already had.

[@robgom777]

What are you talking about Jason?! Ryzen 9000 series is already a bust for us gamers (ok for productivity). We MIGHT get lucky with 1 or maybe 2 good X3d variants but thats it. I feel they used this series as a test bed on the new cpu infrastructure to improve on its weaknesses for the next series after. Lets see where this goes.

[@aliensounddigital8729]

The 7800x3d is very good and recommend it on a sale.

[@jimashby43]

I would like to see a Video on "Hard to fix PC building mistakes" There must be some crazy stories out there. 😮

[@PCBuilderChannel]

That's a great idea (:

[@2hotscot]

I put my USB-A cable in backwards...pushed it as hard as I could to get it to fit! /s

[@jimashby43]

@@2hotscot haha ... I turned on the PC and forgot to even buy a OS 😔

[@Jeff.78]

Jason, recently I saw SkatterBencher undervolt and overclock the 9700X to 5.8Ghz, which seemed to provide quite the uplift in all tasks. In his video, the undervolting seemed to be where the biggest increase in performance was found. It was interesting to see a few mouse clicks brought the cpu to life. That said, the wattage went to 170W+, so I guess it comes down to how you wanna run the cpu. Hopefully AMD can get things tuned for better performance going forward.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thanks for the heads up, I'll check out his video. I'd love for there to be a "fix" for Ryzen 9000!

[@victoresarey4036]

I think ima keep my ryzen 5 7600 non x until the 3d models get cheaper, it's paired with a rx 7900gre and 32gb 6000mhz ram

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Yeah sounds like a plan!

[@ChrisVirgilio]

Are we just reaching peak CPU as far as the consumer market on x86 goes?

[@_Charrizard_]

Currently on the 5950x/3090. Waiting on 50 series to upgrade GPU, but 7950x3d and 9950x are within $50 of each other by me. 7950x3d is actually the more expensive one now but which would you recommend? Either way its a massive performance uplift for me coming off the old AM4 lol

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I would get the 7950x3d.

[@goodman7097]

Great advice on GPU waiting versus not waiting. I bought a 7900 XT Red Devil about 6 months ago and the pure enjoyment that I have had versus the 30 bucks or so I might have saved (if you can even find that card now) was not worth it. 😁 But I probably should of held out for the Ryzen 4070

[@OptimizingNetwork]

I am waiting for AMD to pull a comeback with 9950x3D and 9800x3D in terms of uplift compared to 7000 series, but that's a want, could not be a reality

[@n64slayer]

Why was the 7800x3d and 7900x3d only $200 on amazon on the 15th also the 7950x3d was $300

[@HanSDevX]

$200 on the 15th? I missed that!!

[@RagnarokCo]

Have you changed your schedule for boost my builds? I'm also waiting on the August best tier builds of the month! Either way, thanks for all the content Jason.

[@kelley09162]

He was waiting for the 9000 CPUs to come out before doing another Boost My Build. Now that they're out I expect one either this month or next.

[@RagnarokCo]

@@kelley09162 perhaps but he hasn't put one out in over a month and I feel like that's one of his most popular series. I thought he should be putting it out weekly.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Yes Kelley! One is coming soon :)

[@waynegriffin8667]

Yeah, I'm torn between waiting for X870/X870E/B850/B850E, and the 9800X3D? Or just go for what is best bang for buck AM5 mobo and a 7800X3D? I'll be undervolting as stable as I can go...Kinda leaning towards what is out now. Even if I just buy the CPU, but wait on the 800 series MOBO's. If the 9800X3d is actually good, I could always get it or a higher variant 9000X3D series later? For a little more future proofing is it worth waiting? Not sure if there is some tuning of features, that will allow more refinement for performance, that will benefit these 9000 series on the 800 series boards in time, that will make waiting worth while? I don't have to upgrade, It's more of a want. I'm on a B550 Aorus Pro V2 mobo with 32GB 3200 CL14 RAM and 4070Ti Super, so it's a cracking mid tier rig, for gaming (currently). Maybe I make do with what I've got for a few more years to come. What is making me want to change is the extra CPU performance and the amazing efficiency of the 7800X3D blowing the already efficient 5800X3D, out of the water. Is it a waste of time? I've had this platform since the 5000 series were announced with a 5600x/3070 initially and it's still running AOK.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I would get the 7800x3d etc. now then if you need the extra performance when the 9800x3d and the new mobos come out just sell the 7800x3d etc.

[@brandonpayne1207]

I don't expect the 9800x3d to be anything to write home about. It will be better than the 7800x3d but by that same margins the other 9000 series chips. I think the next products people will get excited about are the 7600x3d and 7700x3d chips cause you know and are releasing them based on the am4 releases.

[@justsomegamer2285]

Using 3080 10gb with 5800x3d on ultrawide monitor and still capable to achieve satisfying results.

[@MarsMan1]

The CPU should be Plug n Play. I am not going through all the Chit to make an AMD processer work properly.

[@C-M-E]

I wish AMD would have come out and said what 9000 series really was: 7000 series performance while saving energy draw. Only problem being 9000 series is almost overly optimized to the point that when you start overclocking it, it used More energy than 7000 series watt per performance equivalent. For home users looking for raw performance, this wasn't the big release it was made out to be. For server-light or multi-CPU use however (like rendering farms not already using server-level hardware), this would be an ideal upgrade on perf for energy used.

[@felicytatomaszewska]

I prefer to wait when a new architecture is launched due to the initial teething problems that take time for the OEMs to resolve. It's not about the cost, but about maintaining my sanity. I don't want to invest in an expensive system just for bragging rights; I want a functional machine that works as expected and provides good value for my investment.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Yes there is definitely value in not being an early adopter!

[@latlanticcityphil]

5% uplift is not worth the money for the latest and the greatest I feel that extra money could be use to upgrade other parts of your PC build.

[@EmanuelHoogeveen]

Regarding a potential 9950X3D with 3D V-Cache on both CCDs, it might not actually help as they're already telling reviewers to apply the same core parking thing with the regular 9950X. I personally would have been interested in a chip like that as I do switch between development and gaming workloads, but the core parking thing sounds pretty fiddly at best.

[@Elricky124]

Is the AMD 5 7600 still the best value option for a CPU in the AMD family?

[@kelley09162]

For AM5 absolutely

[@Elricky124]

@@kelley09162 thank you!

[@wallacengineering8096]

100% guaranteed that BIOS updates and bug fixes will improve Ryzen 9000 performance in relation to Ryzen 7000. Several bugs are already confirmed, as you noted: There were issues with reviewer RAM compatibility, discrepancies in performance between one tester to the next using the same test and the same CPU, along with many more discovered anomalies and issues. So with all of that said, the 9800X-3D should have a bigger increase in performance in comparison to the 7800X-3D, because at least a few bugs will be found and fixed, and its a low-power chip so power limits wont be an issue and its a single CCD so no core parking issues either.

[@Marko-ij4vy]

Hey Im still on am4 platform and planning to do one final upgrade on it when rtx 50 series come out. Will most likely get rtx 5070(will depend on price/perfomance ratio though) and either ryzen 5700x3d or 5800x3d. Which do you think would be better off? The 5700x3d is currently 100 euros cheaper than 5800x3d in my country but would 5700x3d be enough for potential rtx 5070?

[@PCBuilderChannel]

I would go 5700X3D personally, but since the 5800X3D is going to be the last possible top of the line CPU on AM4 if you want to drop the extra money for it that's totally fair

[@Marko-ij4vy]

@@PCBuilderChannel Thanks Ill go with 5700x3d then since its much better value even though its slightly slower. Will then move on to am5 when necessary anyway.

[@Mr.GameCrazy]

Personally, I don't think the 9800X3D is gonna be much better than the 7800X3D, but I hope it has a bigger improvement in gaming.

[@JReese2013]

I’m about to build my first PC ever. (Currently playing on a Beelink Ser5 16GB 5800H IGPU.) So I want to get the best I possibly can. Was going to get 7800X3D paired with a 4090 but I can’t tell if I should wait for 9800X3D and 5090 or not?

[@kelley09162]

No I wouldn't wait because we have no idea when the 9800X3D and 5090 will come out. Do you need help picking out the parts. If so I can try and help, I'd just need to know your budget.

[@JReese2013]

@@kelley09162 ​​⁠​​⁠I appreciate your reply, I’ve got everything picked out besides the motherboard. Torn between MSI B650 Tomahawk or ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F. Apparently gamers are upset with Asus ROG as a whole for some reason. Saw a video from JaysTwoCents on it

[@kelley09162]

​​@@JReese2013I would go Tomahawk. People are upset at ASUS because a few months ago they scammed Gamer's Nexus.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What is your budget? I would get the 4090 and the 7800x3d.

[@JReese2013]

@@kelley09162 What do you think of this? CPU - 7800X3D Cooler - Artic Liquid Freezer III MB - Tomahawk B650 RAM - Tforce delta 32 DDR5 6000 CL30 Storage - WD Black 4TB M.2 PCIe4 GPU - Asus ROG Strix OC 4090 Case - Hyte Y70 touch infinite PSU - MSI Mag PCIE5 1250W Full modular ATX

[@mrtendollarman6157]

Hi Jason, I know you re not an expert when comes to TVs but is there any good television 4k 120hz low input latency you can recommend that i could use as a gaming monitor? I watched a few videos, asked chatGPT but im getting mixed answers. Thanks beforehand. Also, this can be a video idea for the future!

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I would guess the tv would have to be oled. I would look at lg, Samsung, or Sony for low input tv's and maybe a few other companies.

[@CaLiKiLLa01]

I went the tested and proven option of the 7800x3d and a 4080 super combo. Could have got a 4090 but connectors were burning. Not a fan of testing a product right after launch. That’s what this Channel is for.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Nice high end build.

[@Sanjay-fy7ql]

wow 16 cores of pure cores

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Haha

[@zeroturn7091]

Yes. None of that E-Core nonsense which makes sense for laptops and handhelds.

[@DutyGeezer]

Thanks for your content today. You hit on two points that I’m dealing with right now. You validated my 4090 purchase😊 number one. And gave me something to think about with respect to 7800x3d vs 9800x3d. You also nudged me to do a little more research on X870 boards since one way or another I’m going to be on AM5 sooner rather than later. ‘Preciatecha Jason!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

So happy to help and congrats on the 4090!

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What are the rest of your specs?

[@DutyGeezer]

@@MrAnimescrazy AM4 5950x, 32gb DDR 4

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@DutyGeezer nice and You can wait for the 9800x3d results but I have a feeling the bump in performance from the 7800x3d will either be not worth it or ok.

[@DutyGeezer]

@@MrAnimescrazy price will be the deciding factor at that point and if its a small bump why should I wait. Nothing gets cheaper except the last best thing.

[@o_oyash]

My mistake was not buying the 7800x3d when it was $289 on Amazon for like 1 or 2 days lol

[@j.p.h.8126]

If your GPU cant handle the games you play well enough then get a faster one. There is no point waiting for new ones unless launch day is very close. And at this time there are no new GPU launches coming any time soon.

[@down.h1ll]

Hello! I'm trying to build a pc, I ordered the r7 7800x3d recently, what are some great motherboards that are reliable that I can pair with that cpu? I'm not sure which brand to go for atm. I'm planning on keeping this build for a lot of years

[@kelley09162]

Check out his 7800X3D Build Guide video

[@down.h1ll]

@@kelley09162 I did but I did some research and saw how people were saying their mobos were faulty, so I got kinda worried. But I'll probably go for the rog strix b650e-e motherboard with wifi. I might upgrade down the line in the future with this motherboard. What do you think?

[@kelley09162]

@@down.h1ll I don't recommend ASUS because a few months ago they scammed Gamer's Nexus. Hopefully they're better now but because of what they did I still don't trust them. Also if in the US I definitely don't recommend it because of the price.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Yes that is a good motherboard.

[@JW-fm2cy]

I've been on this pc build for two years now Ryzen 5 5600x radeon 6950xt (founders edition) corsair 32gb ram 3600mhz MSI X570 A-PRO Waited patiently for the zen 5 and 9000 release. After looking at reviews thinking the 9000 series wasn't worth the wait. Should I just do a build with a 7000 series with the price to performance of the 9000 series? I know either upgrade will be a pretty big uplift compared to a ryzen 5 5600x. Also my builds are pretty much only used for gaming only.

[@kelley09162]

You could just upgrade your CPU to the 5700X3D. This way you wouldn't need a new Motherboard and RAM. But if you want to go AM5 the 7000 Series is good.

[@JW-fm2cy]

@@kelley09162 Ya I've thought of doing a drop in upgrade with the 5700x3d or even the 5900x, since both are and have been for a while on a deep discount at microcenter. I wouldn't mind doing another build, since I like building my own pc's, with the 7800x3d. At this point it's crazy to me that I can still get performance upgrades on a previous chip set that is also still going to be supported for a few more years with AMD.

[@kelley09162]

@@JW-fm2cy if it helps Jason doesn't recommend the 5900X. Only the 5700X3D or 5800X3D.

[@JW-fm2cy]

@@kelley09162 really? Also I've seen people talk about the 5800x3d, but I can't seem to find it at microcenter. Only the 5700x3d.

[@ShadowAngelS2K]

I expect the 9800X3D to launch at 500-600usd. AMD should sell it close to 500usd imo, I do expect the 7800X3D to rise in price again when it drops. So for $100+ more you can get the 9800X3D, it would be very tempting then

[@Meerak83Games]

Thank you! I upgraded from 5700g and rx 6600 to a 5600x3d and rx 6800. Its a PS5 killer!!

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Nice upgrade!

[@scepticskeptic1663]

havent watched video yet but amd promised x3d improvements too not just what comes normally with it

[@Binong-yw6mq]

Sir hopefully you reply. What motherboard do you recommend for 7800x3d?

[@Binong-yw6mq]

Thank you

[@kelley09162]

​@@Binong-yw6mqwatch his 7800X3D build guide video. He also has a beat Ryzen Motherboard video.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Yes, exactly what Kelley said, those videos should have everything you need! :)) Thanks for watching.

[@catbertz]

AMD always seems to operate with the same problems. 1.Pushing out products before they're needed, or ready in general. Zen 5 could have cooked for several more months before it's needed to compete with anything, besides zen 4. ouch 2. They really seem to slow roll or half-ass software development. Pick any software/driver, and it's underbaked or lagging release way more than NV. That's a key area to improve. 3. Their marketing team almost seems like they secretly work for NV. lol Over the years they've constantly screwed up releases and pricing. imho

[@gntan83]

AMD's marketing department needs to take a good, hard look at itself. :/

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Agreed!

[@P5YKOTIK1870]

I have nitro+ 7900xtx and I'm going to switch to 5090 this year or beginning of next when it drops. I'm very lucky to have a MicroCenter walking distance from my house. I had a 6950xt and it was pretty smooth w/o too many hiccups but my 7900xtx on the other hand is a pretty different story. I have driver timeouts quite frequently and automatic PC resets out of nowhere. Plus the fact that AMD is only releasing budget to I guess mid tier gpu's which i think is a good decision because their top end gpu's need a lot more time to cook

[@PCBuilderChannel]

I'm very jealous of the MicroCenter within walking distance (;

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Yes that is crazy you have a microcenter within walking distance and I am looking forward to the 5090.

[@haikopaiko]

Just installed my 7800x3d last night, went great, even with my old AIO 👍

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What are your pc specs?

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Congratulations on the upgrade! Enjoy it :))

[@Valthalin]

I am wondering if the 9000 series motherboards will help with the typical AMD ram issues. More of a focus on key features could aim directly at the platform and the issues that we are all aware exists.

[@YanzZTv]

Hello. just wanna ask what do you think about zotac brands? are these brands good quality? going to build soon pairing with 7800x3d.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I would say zitac should be fine. What are your pc specs?

[@TheGraysun-G]

my just picking up a 7800x3d a new mb 32 gigs of ram all for around 575 isnt tooooo bad and now that ive spent the "cheaper" end on my system now i can wait and buy a new pgu when it comes out XD now we wait again

[@MrAnimescrazy]

What gpu are you going to buy?

I will be holding on to my 7800X3D with 4090 build for a long time. I may or may not pick up a 5090 but I'm betting the 7800X3D will not bottleneck it.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Yup I am keeping my 4090/ 7800x3d build but I am anticipating the 9800x3d and the 5090 to be tested by the tech youtubers to see how much of a jump in performance.

@@MrAnimescrazy 10 more frames per second? Right now my build is running my games at 200fps, games like alan wake. I took Jason's advice and swapped out my 7900X for the 7800X3D and my build runs cooler and I'm getting insane performance. I just don't see how things could get better, unless I start editing video.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I will have to wait and see from the usual tech youtubers I watch.

[@randcooley2865]

Jason this video is why I follow you and pay to be a member. You have common sense and technical know how 2 traits which don't always go together in the Tech World. You have brought me over to the dark side I will not buy another Nvidea card I don't care how great the graphics are. Looks like 78x3d is the way to go my rule has to never buy CPU/GPU as soon as they are released. Thanks for what you do

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thanks so much, we love to hear it rand! We appreciate your support, hope you keep enjoying it all :))

[@zootedandbooted9794]

Hello I'm looking to build my first PC ! Love this page any suggestions for the best 1440 cpu if I were to purchase a 4070ti super

[@kelley09162]

7600 or 7800X3D though for Gaming I'd say AMD GPUs offer better price to performance unless you care about Ray Tracing.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Exciting to hear! Agreed with Kelley, great options--check out our 7600 and 7800X3D videos for more! :)

[@zootedandbooted9794]

@@kelley09162 thank you sir ! And no I don't really care for ray tracing ! Thank you for reaching out I'm just now seeing this 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@zootedandbooted9794]

@@PCBuilderChannelTHANK YOU! I will be Checking now ! Love your videos man !

[@kelley09162]

@@zootedandbooted9794 okay. I can help you pick out the parts if you want, I just need to know your budget.

[@SpoonHurler]

AMD Marketing has to be punching the air looking at Intel making sales while rarely cutting price, NVidia setting their prices as highas possible and adding a few bucks more but they are constantly cutting prices. I agree that its not great for brand recognition when you are the company cutting prices, especially on your premium products.

[@jomendoz13]

I was hoping to upgrade my intel i9 7920x system to ryzen 9000 series. Hopefully AMD fixes things so I can upgrade to Ryzen 9000 and 800 series motherboard for the Holidays

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Upgrading to the 9000 series nie and the next gen motherboards when they release will be a huge upgrade.

[@Dexion845]

Why should the 9800X3D be faster? Clocks are likely to be the same. It's probably going to be a total wash. AMD had better done something unique or else there's no reason to buy.

[@jackkunasaki5044]

I'll wait to see the pricing for the x3d models, if its more expensive than the 7800x3d, I'm not going to get it.

[@ZackSNetwork]

The 9800x3d will be %10 faster at best. There are no significant advancements. Like faster memory controller, higher clock speed, more cache, higher TDP etc. A tiny %16 IPC increase is not enough and Zen 5 has proven this.

[@Malinkadink]

I'm still okay on a 12700k and ddr4 3200, will wait for 9800x3d and get the lowest latency 6000 kit that is available at the time, currently CL28 is the fastest kit at 6000.

[@Clickarn93]

Why the lowest latency and not go for 6600mhz?

[@Malinkadink]

@@Clickarn93 Can Zen 5 reliably hit 2200 in 1:1:1?

[@ibrahimturan28]

I say keep what we have or buy it today what's on market. no need to wait for 1 year