PCC | Practical? Or Practically Useless??

Pistol Caliber carbines or PCCs are loved and hated by gun enthusiasts. Go through the pros and cons with the Warrior Poet Society and find out where you stand on these guns.
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[@zeck8541]

It’s so interesting how a weapon type that was used by Special Operations units all over the world for CQB for decades is now being detracted and a few people have created a bandwagon against them that people jump on. They are a powerful tool when used within their capabilities and limitations. It’s more important to understand those capabilities and to apply them accordingly, instead of saying they are useless. Makes about as much sense as saying a shotgun is useless because you can’t snipe with them. A PCC is better than a handgun in every situation other than concealment and portability.

[@roach6992]

Special Ops have the full auto versions.. not comparable.

[@zeck8541]

@@roach6992 absolutely comparable since we almost literally never used them on full auto or even burst (N) models. It’s also equally comparable to my reference of them being better than a handgun, as well as ARs in civilian hands also not being full auto.

[@sirbondman007]

I disagree strongly. The gen pop that buys these riggs most likely do not have any military training for getting the most out of their PCC. The shotgun is a strong tool for HD, as 1 shot can cover a wide range w/it's buckshot. I carry a GLOCK 10mm: one hand, if mandated, and the other for helping with tactical moves. The gun manufacturers are capitalizing on this niche product as a way to make more money: they create a need by heavily advertising it and then fulfill that pseudo need with a host of products. My handguns are much more usable, more powerful, more flexible and can be carried on your person at ALL times. Furthermore, in CQB, such as inside your home, a pistol can be deadly accurate: just practice properly over and over.

[@zeck8541]

@@sirbondman007 good luck with that. Confidence is great. Just keep your confidence level within the bounds of reality. 3 combat tours, MSPF, countless military CQB courses and workups. Combat instructor (to military, not civilian enthusiasts) for the past 15 years. Favoring a pistol or shotty over a sub-gun said no experienced professional, ever. A pistol is a secondary, defensive weapon for a reason. Shotguns are only used for breaching in CQB for a reason. Home defense? Sure. A shotty will handle business, but it’s not the right choice when you have to clear multiple rooms and hallways with multiple targets. It simply isn’t. Just a little cutie from me to utie. If you are doing “tactical moves?” (Whatever that means) with one hand and a pistol in the other, you need to go sit in the corner. You are either employing your secondary weapon, or your hands. Never both.

[@sirbondman007]

@@zeck8541 Hey! Thanks for your considered reply. For sure, I do not have the training & experience that you do: something that I would really like to do in the future. However, I'm only referring to a home invasion with one to two persons. I've practiced how to clear a room by using YT videos from professionals. Great stuff there... Also, I train not for pinpoint accuracy but for getting general strikes in the chest, head and legs. Encounters will usually be under 30' in my world, so pistols are very practical in those situations. This training is what I meant for "practicing tactical moves". I have also practiced extensively shooting with one hand and that has helped my accuracy and repeatability. If I'm on the upper hallway and have to round a corner and run down a staircase, I like to have one hand free to hold onto things that will help me stabilize my moves. The other hand will be holding my pistol & be ready to shoot if a bad guy rushes the bottom of the staircase. For sure, if I was using a sbr or pcc, I would need two hands. Not good in that scenario for me. People need to practice using their firearms in different scenarios and can just do that inside their home, as well as on their property. That's how I prep for an attack. Ciao!

[@tomschonborg439]

I view the PCC as having a very niche role in self defense. I keep mine by the bed and have it setup for home defense. It's got a red dot and a light on it. In this case, I like that I can hit more accurately and have better control on the gun. I also like that it is less likely to shoot entirely through my house, into the neighbors house and hit an innocent person. The type of bad guys I anticipate dealing with aren't going to be wearing body armor. We're talking some type of thief, not an entire SWAT team busting down my door. I wouldn't rely on my PCC in Afghanistan or Ukraine. Aside from that it is fun to play with at the range and I do practice with it so I am proficient with it. You gotta remember John, not everyone is an operator.

[@coolguy3725]

Contrary to popular belief, a caliber like .223 is less likely to over penetrate inside structures, due to the fact that it’s such a small, light projectile. It’s more likely to dump its energy and not continue beyond multiple barriers.

[@GoesSlow]

@@coolguy3725 Contrary to the popular myth that you're perpetuating, a .223 is not less likely to over penetrate when compared to 9mm, especially if you're loading your home defense PCC with hollow points. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4myeoSdm9uJoqc

[@Followme556]

@@coolguy3725 Depends on the cartridge selected. Bonded core .223, while great as duty ammo, is obviously much better at penetration than non bonded. Likewise, really fast light 9mm+P+ tends to blow up when it hits stuff, so it is much less penetrative vs barriers as opposed to something like a 147gr bonded core bullet. Devil is always in the details, and blanket statements tend to be wrong once you start delving into those details.

[@anonymouslee2083]

@@Followme556 Liberty Civil Defense in a PCC, anyone?

[@Followme556]

@@anonymouslee2083 LCD is a great example of a round that will defeat soft armor from a handgun, i've never seen a test of it vs barriers and interior walls. Do you have a link to any on youtube?

[@jonathanbrown7250]

They appear to have systematically left out nearly every PCC advantage that matters: 1. Ammo is easier to find 2. Because it's cheaper, you're likely to get in a lot more practice with it. What would you rather have if SHTF, the gun you've shot three times as much as the other one, or the other one. 3. Ammo is a lot lighter, so you can carry more around in a SHTF situation. (Carry a few hundred rounds further than from your truck into the range and then tell me weight doesn't matter)

[@Red1TC]

You're right Jonathan. I think SHTF applications are where PCCs shine. It's difficult to sell survivalist mentalities to spec op veterans who are used to having all the toys. As you can see, there's a lot of black and white thinking here when there should be some gray. I've thought of it myself, and I have some more points that these gentlemen haven't taken into account: 1. PCCs extend the performance of a pistol caliber outside of a pistol frame with longer barrel, stabilization, etc. Therefore, more bang for your buck. 2. The recoil impulse and lighter weight lend greater leverage to loved ones like your spouse or child, or a less trained individual, to use in a survival situation because they may not be as well trained as you with a rifle and may not have the endurance to run and gun with one. John and his friend in this case have not considered others in the equation. Kudos if you train your spouse and kids on your AR, but they might still be more effective and less wasteful with a PCC in the long run. Regardless of training or not, they may enjoy shooting a PCC more, which basically makes the decision of how to arm them for you. For example, your wife has trained a couple of times on your Daniel Defense/Radian/Noveske/Knights Armament tricked out god gun and may have one of her own, but she shoots the PCC at the range way more and prefers it. 3. When SHTF, rifle ammo will be precious, meant for serious business. Why hunt with a rifle round if you can do it with a pistol caliber? I'm thinking real "walking dead" here, but whether you decide to use pistol ammo first or last, eventually, you may run out of rifle ammo and will have only pistol ammo left. That pistol ammo is more effective coming out of a PCC than a pistol. Also, many gunowners buy a pistol first. I stock more pistol ammo than rifle ammo, and so does the store (for the most part depending on where you go lol). Pistol ammo will be more available. Even when the 9mm runs out, that's when a PCC in 40SW or 10mm or 5.7 becomes useful. Your rifle has no more food to eat, but I just so happen to have a PCC that eats what's left on the shelves because not many people use it. Yes, there will be many hunting rounds that will be available too that no one else uses, but I can dump a lot more heat out of a PCC at you than you can with your bolt action or lever action, unless you're at distance. Have you played the Last of Us? Try defending a house by yourself from multiple assailants with just a hunting rifle, Vasily Zaitsev. 4. Many people have already said it, but I'd be less inclined to bring out a 300 BLK SBR/pistol in a home defense situation knowing that the rounds in my PCC will get the job done with less risk of overpenetration into walls and risking loved ones and neighbors and dogs.

[@jonathanbrown7250]

@@Red1TC Interesting points, especially 2 and 4. You're probably not going to be in a SHTF by yourself, and if you fire some .556 in your house, one guess is as good an another where the hell it will all end up. I think a lot of these guys picture themselves trading shots with some Negan at 500 yards. IRL, nearly all rifle combat happens within 200 yards, and most is within 100 yards. Dont' believe me? Go step outside your house. Look at distance of buildings, trees, hills etc. Most of you will quickly notice there arent that many places where long range shots would be possible. PCCs work fine within 100 yards. That's a lot of PCC advantages to give up on the off chance that youll need t shoot at a truck 400 yards away, or some guy on top of a mountain.

[@AlexM-oq5el]

I think PCCs are great for home defense, with rifle calibers being the main weapon for SHTF. Your partner can be more familiar with the PCC and use that easier to control weapon during the SHTF. They can have a higher volume of fire with more ammo and let you maneuver and take the important shots. It can work out pretty well in theory

[@dirtsailoroff-road5580]

Personally I believe they're great for home defense. They have much less blast indoors than a rifle or shotgun. Great to suppress and it's plenty killy enough.

[@BigRockyD]

I agree, only a lunatic would be willing to go deaf or kill his neighbors or someone they love in the next room because they think their 5.56 or a double slug is cool to have on the nightstand.

[@scottyh.6992]

I think they are a great option for someone that lives in an apartment, condo or duplex.

[@paulhays2171]

I agree that there is less possibility of over penetration, especially if you use a good defensive ammo.

[@yeahsteeeve]

​@@paulhays2171you should probably research what 9mm will do going through drywall vs 5.56. You'd be surprised.

[@geometerfpv2804]

​@@yeahsteeeve Still can't get around the fact that you'll injure your hearing in a very serious way.

[@olsk0004]

I think “they’re fun” is seriously underrated. PCC’s are hella fun to shoot.

[@alexduke5402]

More fun than shooting 556?

[@Valorius]

@@alexduke5402 yes, because it's cheaper, and the blast is not as oppressive for many shooters.

[@American-Dragon]

Every gun is special and you should have 1 of each anyway

[@mustardman5366]

@@American-Dragon- This is the correct way to internet!!!

[@joenunya8449]

Guns are like animals, they enjoy being in groups (packs, herds, murders... theres a funny song) You heard about the guy who was worried after he read the news about all the criminals commiting violence against guns? He bought all his guns, guns to protect themselves. 🤣

[@ricknash5394]

I have mine for home defense, but I'm also considering the hearing loss I'd suffer if I had to fire my AR inside my house. If ever there's an increase in home invasions with body armor involved, I'll reconsider.

[@spade2you]

Suppressors if they're legal in your area. I have a Haley Strategic Micro Chest Rig for mags, ear pro, eye pro, and gloves. Mine is suppressed, so I could be ok if I didn't have time to grab the ear pro.

[@mrgrump2534]

@@spade2you if u got it run it

[@spade2you]

@@mrgrump2534 "it"? Gotta have many options. ;)

[@glent5659]

Why not run a handgun so you have access to your other hand and more room to maneuver?

[@spade2you]

@@glent5659 Technically a pistol stance fully extended sticks out a LOT.

[@ronkeegan5238]

They’re the perfect home defense firearm! Very little over-penetration, especially with hollow points! My MPX K has a light, red dot and sound mitigation equipment! Perfect!!

[@thebarefootadventurer8467]

300 blk subs are still better...

[@nikobellic3526]

@@thebarefootadventurer8467 PCCs have no real world advantage idk why people buy them im stuck with my scorpion because its green thats it outside of that i wanna get rid of it

[@joel553009]

@@nikobellic3526 post on tacswap? I’d be interested in making an offer

[@nikobellic3526]

@@joel553009 where do u live? im in Tx

[@joel553009]

@@nikobellic3526 Missouri

[@hansoak3664]

We standardized on 5.56 and 9mm so 300BLK was out of the equation. The muzzle blast and report of super shorty 5.56 firearms will let you know why you might want to own a PCC. In the house and in the vehicle, for close up, I will choose a 9mm PCC (using Glock magazines to match our standard sidearms) over a super short 5.56.

[@uncreativename9936]

Yeah I think that's the best use case for them. Someone who wants 300BLK but isn't a millionaire and doesn't hand load. Plus subsonic .300BLK is basically just .45 ACP, so if you were wanting to shoot 300BLK subsonic, you're really only downgrading from .45 ACP to 9mm.

[@gamerbg294]

​@@uncreativename9936The first sensible person I saw talking about subsonic .300 AAC, because people think that just because it's a rifle cartridge naturally makes it better than a pistol caliber, but the truth is that you are moving at pistol speeds a projectile as heavy as certain pistol calibers have, the only big difference is the BC of the projectile is superior (which makes it perform better at greater distances), but this type of weapon is generally used at very short distances where the BC It's practically irrelevant

[@tradetrotter4168]

Using the same magazine has a hidden advantage: Concealed carry + truck gun. For those in less-free states where loaded rifle mags in a car are a no-no, one can already have mags loaded for their CCW.

[@illumitommy]

Also when I know a stranger is watching me at the range it's fun to pull a 30 mag out of my pcc and jam it into my pistol and keep firing. Oh the matrix is just changing something it's fine.

[@snek9353]

What states won't let you have loaded rifle mags?

[@Followme556]

@@snek9353 Pa, for example, will not let you have loaded rifle mags in the same case as the weapon, you have to store them separately, which could be a pain in the butt to retrieve them in a hurry. Especially if you just had an accident and everything went flying all over the inside of your car. However, if your pistol takes the same mags as your PCC, and you have an extra pistol mag in a pouch on your belt.....problem solved. You just need to use your imagination to come up with dozens of scenarios where the one mag to rule them all scenario shines.

[@madrabbit9007]

So I agree and disagree with this. Interchangeability of mags is ALWAYS a good thing. The idea that in a car you would need to make such a transition is highly unlikely. Once you've dealt with the initial threat with your pistol, any secondary threats will have reconsidered their life choice up to this point and will have fled thus rendering the need for a long gun moot.

[@snek9353]

1. Not in the same case is a lot different than not in the car at all. 2. I'd assume I'd be different for a "PCC" that is legally a pistol as well anyway. 3. I'm also with Mad Rabbit here, I just don't see a likely application. My thinking is that the magazine compatibility aspect is the only real reason for a PCC type weapon these days. But there's just so many compromises that have to be made to make that work that I just don't see it being practical.

[@JifferRiffic]

I thought about getting a PCC…. But then i looked at my gas tank and it was on empty.

[@luishuaracha7925]

😂👍🏽

[@Vermino]

Just buy a $100k EV 🤡🌍

[@thecaucasian.6068]

@@Vermino fill your tank and your wallet will be empty!

[@Vermino]

@@thecaucasian.6068 going to build a wood gasification system. Become ungovernable.

[@ocelblack9823]

Think it's bad now, the way things look it will soon be cheaper to buy a new car than a full tank of gas.

[@johnnyl8826]

I have used subsonic 147-grain JHP (fired from an HK-MP5) over my career. Very effective for the right application. Controlled burst, never utilizing full auto. Very lethal and accurate in the right hands.

[@tonyshaver4529]

you guys crack me up. Love every video! keep up the great work and Gods speed!

[@andrewgagner2927]

Your points are all well taken. My wife, tiny country girl raised on a 10/22, is most comfortable with her Ruger PC carbine..and as a result can run it like a champ. Those little SMG platforms do look fun though. Stay well all.

[@dangerpudge1922]

I just bought one of these and dressed it in a Romeo red dot and SB furniture. It is my favorite gun to play around with and is super accurate. Lethal? It is, but it also is what it is. Frankly, during a home invasion with the Mrs home I'd rather have her grab that and unload the mag than for her to grab her Glock (both would be optimal). I bought the .22 PC Charger as a survival gun. It'll get a can and it folds up small so I can take it into the wild with me and take lunch without scaring everything else off, or, God forbid, doing very quiet ops to end invader issues. As for rifley-pistoly mixes in general (like the 9mm PC Charger) I opted out. IMO you'd be better off running a Glock in a frame with a can than going to a rifle-ish-ness platform. The 300bk sub running a can would be my preference there. HOWEVER, I think if you only had something like a Glock 23/9mm and a PC Charger that'd be a solid home defense tool because the mags swap directly, meaning you can keep full mags handy to go into anything. Lethality gets less of an issue in close quarters, and if folks wearing body armor are breaking into my house I'm probably not gonna win that fight even with the most lethal platform. Also, few folks wear body armor on their faces, arms, legs, etc. Shot placement is usually more important than penetration. Femoral artery will put you down quickly.

[@jl123ist]

If she runs it well, that that makes a lot of difference. Remember that armor plates do not cover collar bones, necks, faces, hip bones or peckers and a bullet strike to any of those locations would be very effective.

[@JonathanAllain]

As much as I love you guys, this would have been a better, more useful video if you had a proponent of PCCs to balance your arguments.

[@gamerbg294]

Unfortunately a lot of people don't see this, but it's possible to achieve the "power" of lower spectrum intermediate cartridges (like 5.56 NATO, 5.45x39mm, etc), with handgun/pistol cartridges (.357 magnum and 10mm auto are examples of pistol cartridges that in a 16" barrel can achieve very close performance to the aforementioned rifle cartridges with the same barrel length), therefore, if the industry/public was really more open to innovation, pistol cartridges that focused on smaller, more aerodynamic, lighter projectiles and with larger cases, should already be becoming more popular (obviously it cannot go to the extreme of 5.7x28mm, as the very little mass and small area mean that it does not have a good area even when expanded and when it expands it can underpenetrate, in this case the only example I know that currently fits the description proposed above is the 7.5 FK, but I think a "less powerful" cartridge is better, so that the pistol is not too bulky and it is possible to design it to be compact and light, therefore, a possible alternative would be to neck-up the 5.7x28mm, reaching up to 7.25mm), on the other hand, intermediate cartridges would have to move to the higher spectrum (some examples are, 6mm Max, 6mm ARC and 6.8 SPC) to remain relevant

[@tonyburkhart888]

This is a fantastic video! Definitely loved the cameo appearance by your mule. Great content!

[@nunyabiznes32]

Another plus....for hunting purposes, a PCC can often be used in a "shotgun only" area, where a rifle caliber firearm would be prohibited.

[@rikdanielsen1118]

You all made some great points. HOWEVER, how do you feel about the MP5? It's a 9mm PCC and has been used successfully in both military and police applications. I agree that a rifle caliber is more "killy" than a pistol caliber, but none of us want to get shot with a 9mm round.

[@mrdark9916]

The issue is that in today's day and age you can have a rifle cartridge in a platform that is just as small. Back in the day PCC is like the MP5 we're so popular because they were significantly smaller and more maneuverable than the other options, but now when I can get a 300 blackout with a seven or eight inch barrel and a law folder that's the exact same size as a PCC platform and yet shooting a rifle cartridge. In my mind pcc's are viable for cheaper training, and simply fun guns. As far as actual defensive applications, there's no reason I would ever choose a PCC.

[@bly4233]

The MP5 is automatic = major advantage.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

To quote Kevin Owens, "The MP5 is great in a building, but I have to get to the building."

[@BlueonGoldZ]

@@mrdark9916 As I mentioned above in a separate post, sure you can get a rifle in the same or similar dimensions as a PCC but now you have an NFA item and have to deal with paperwork, fingerprints, 8-10 month wait time, $200 tax stamp and a federal registry....orrrrr you can buy an off the shelf PCC even in calibers such as .40 or 10mm and don't have to worry about any of the stuff mentioned above.

[@mrdark9916]

@@BlueonGoldZ an NFA item? Lol you build it out as an AR pistol bro, catch up with the times

[@Chukijay]

It’s a great option for people that can’t afford to keep a full auxiliary of ammo and firearm types. For the middle-middle class person with a few kids, it’s perfectly fine to use a Glock pistol and a PCC that accepts those mags and ammo. One round. One mag. It’s not ideal, but few situations ever are. Just do what you can.

[@jlambert7979]

Exactly this. We aren't all rolling in $. I think these also fit into survival, bug out, and bug home situations pretty well.

[@cavalieroutdoors6036]

I dunno man, if you can afford a PCC you can afford an AR. If you can buy a soare box of 9mm to feed your PCC, you can afford a box of 5.56. Spare Pmags are dirt cheap. I'd say even for the poors (like me) a rifle is the better option.

[@nchintalapani]

@@cavalieroutdoors6036 One of these days, I will have both, for now Ruger PCC it is for me, especially with CA's restriction on assaulty features making an AR platform look, well retardy...

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

I like to represent it as a percentage of preparedness for a self defense situation. Goi g from unarmed to basically any firearm whatsoever is going from 10% prepared to 80% prepared. Going from a handgun to a carbine is 90%. Rifle caliber over pistol is another couple percent.

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[@ashleyharper584]

Love these two together! 🤣 So funny but also incredibly knowledgeable. Paul has been an excellent addition.

[@raifcluster]

Most enjoyable video I've watched in a while. Also learned new gun words. "Killy" and "distancy" are to the point and understandable by just about anyone.

[@jackwalsh5270]

Good vid. An argument that wasn’t really touched on too much was the “backpack gun” idea. These PCCs can be configured to not take up much room at all and still pack 30ish rounds with better shoot-ability than a “true handgun.” If space/weight are truly constraints, it’s a viable option in my opinion.

[@truthseeker-0026]

Honey badger sig mcx multiple better options that’s not really an argument sorry

[@jackwalsh5270]

Those are good points. But the fact that you responded means my point was in fact an argument. One you might not agree with, but that’s the point of the conversation. Need to go to very short barrel lengths on both of the options you mentioned to get to the size constraints I talked about in my post, then are you still getting the soft armor defeating capabilities from 5.56 or 300 BLK if it’s out of a 5 inch barrel? What about muzzle energy? 124 gr 9mm from a 5” barrel has more than a 55 gr at the same length from the data I’ve seen.

[@trentf4891]

@Mike Byrne He said it's an argument if someone is willing to respond. Maybe you should go back to school dummy.

[@tangotango256]

@Mike Byrne To end the debate.... I don't know anyone that wears face armor 'Cause that is MY target, A 7" AR-9 is plenty accurate freehand at 30 meters and closer, However the 300blk would shine through

[@Valorius]

@@jackwalsh5270 There are plenty of 9mm rounds that will defeat soft armor from a pistol length barrel, so that's not an advantage for the rifle caliber weapon anyway.

[@grahamlair7590]

Though I am inclined to agree with about everything you both said, 30 rounds of 10mm out of that CMMG Banshee would still be quite the formidable force to face. 2 30 round Glock mags loaded with 175gr Hornady Critical Duty in 10mm would be a really bad day for anybody trying to cause you harm

[@smokeysoldier8590]

Make it an even worse day with some underwood. Love my mk10

[@daflea66]

Definitely but from basically the same package you can have a rifle caliber thats much more powerful. Thats all their point is here, not that PCCs totally suck.

[@waynemensen4252]

My thinking is, I'll get a pistol brace for my already reliable handgun. Which is cheaper than a PCC. I could have one in each vehicle and in our bedroom. What's your thoughts on that??

[@daflea66]

@@waynemensen4252 Check legalities, thats all. Its all about to change again.

[@daflea66]

@@waynemensen4252 Soon as you put a stock on its a SBR. If its a brace its OK for now in most jurisdictions, but not all, and this is about to change. I would just CCW my pistol and be very proficient with that, and keep a truck gun properly stowed exactly as your state and local laws describe, just in case.

[@Jworx77]

This was really helpful. I've been trying to decide between a PCC or AR pistol for an addition to my truck bag. I was already leaning .556, and think I'll go that direction.

[@achildnamedhotchick1739]

pcc is the perfect bag gun. damn near all of them have folding braces and won’t blow your ears off shooting them in your cabin.

[@NiqHowie]

I wish you guys would have touched point on the importance of the effect of rifle cartridges in small barrels and how it insanely affects their ballistics.

[@jutde]

While I understand all the cons mentioned, there is one caveat you guys didn’t mention about them: They apply in a theater of war, but not in a self defense scenario. If the bad guy is too far away to effectively engage with a 9mm PCC so you opt for a rifle instead, you’re going to have a very hard time justifying your actions in a court of law.

[@lm1174]

Exactly why these weapons are great for home defense.

[@johnhermann7498]

Not to mention that they have less chance of Over Pen in a Self Defense scenario... Chances of running into a home invader or some other street level bad guy in body armor is pretty damn slim...

[@davidevans2545]

Though exceedingly rare: mass shooter events. A pipe dream to be sure, but still a very relevant point.

[@hellspyro666420]

556 will over penetrate less than a 9mm hollow point. Even if the 556 does go through it’s usually fragmented into small enough pieces its not really going to hurt someone. Pistol hp fill with material and then act like fmjs, especially when its clean miss and hit drywall.

[@jcb1349]

Exactly: assault weapons are designed to target enemies at 200,400m eg. You don't need this power and precision at 5,10 or even 50m which should be enough for a civilian in a non-war zone.

[@georgeb424]

Good video! Love how you broke down the Pros and Cons. I have a PCC in 9mm which I have for the bump in the night dirt bag that is deciding to break in my home. I live in a residential within the city limits and over penetration was I concern. I had the most of the components for building the 9mm AND the ammunition compatibility issue was a big factor in going that route. I don't have a .300 Blk platform and with retirement coming up fast, it is not something that I will be getting soon. I truly get the "killy" issue, but for me, this was the best option to deal with the home invasion aspect. B&E dirt bags don't generally wear body armor and it all comes down to train with the tools that you have, become proficient with what you have, and shot placement wins the fight.

[@ktinga1]

9:39 I disagree that it's a "solution seeking a problem". The Pistol Caliber Carbine is a natural evolution of the submachine gun, whose role was taken over by short rifles/carbines once intermediate calibers became common. I'd argue that a PCC gives you advantages in two major situations: one is home defense in an urban area, where over penetration is a more valid concern to any reasonable citizen (sure, you may be able to account for every living being that isn't an intruder in your house, but how about your neighbor just behind the fire wall?), so you choose a PCC to give you the advantages of accuracy, stability, and rapidity of fire that a rifle affords while still being able to utilize a round with good terminal ballistics but not much in the way of barrier penetration (Hornady critical defense, for instance). Two, is tactical entry for mostly law enforcement, where again you want rifle advantages while minimizing collateral damage, as well as the nice ability to use your pistol mags and only have the one logistical step in the equation (I'd argue that on a tactical entry/SWAT team, if you go in with a rifle/PCC and have to draw your pistol, I doubt reloading is going to be of that much concern).

[@theimmortal4718]

Totally agree

[@GoToSleep1993]

Top 10 most reasonable and sensible comments I've read in this thread. Thank you, sir

[@pfurman69]

Most entertaining video I've seen in a minute. Thanks!

[@adamstinchcomb1970]

I love my Extar EP9. I recognize it had limitations but it also has a niche. Living in a more urban setting in close quarters to neighbors. It fills my home defense needs

[@poppaDehorn]

same!

[@samueldevore5082]

Amen!

[@MilVetGaming]

Yes I have to agree here.

[@georgelopez16]

agree

[@iwazzabadboy1982]

Yes…paired with Sig Romeo..had mine for 2 years and it rocks👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@joedavis8995]

For me the Kel-tec Sub 2000 was chosen as my PCC. I like this version because of it being 9mm and taking Glock mags. 9mm is easy to come by and the gun easily fits in the padded laptop portion of my backpack making it virtually unnoticeable on me. It can easily go in the car, on a hike or anywhere else. In a SHTF situation Glock mags and 9mm should be easy to scavenge as well

[@RodCornholio]

Smart.

[@scottdunn1371]

Exactly the same for me too. Great truck/travel gun. The fold up feature makes it very different than the other PCCs. I can hit steel at 50 yards easily where I may miss 90% with my pistol. Practically, I will travel with this more than my AR. It just makes sense for me.

[@illumitommy]

Pistol caliber also highly logical for the integrally suppressed model.

[@epauletshark3793]

Where are you that 9 mil is easy to come by? (And at what price?)

[@robertf6523]

That's why my main two calibers are 9x19 and 5.56x45 - also why I have a hard time justifying obtaining 300BLK lol

[@65thhitman86]

5:45 brilliant point I never thought of.. my primary is 2.0 full size and I've been considering the M&P FPC , but now I'm sold . TY 🙏🏻

[@arjones2330]

You guys are great together!

[@thatsoundsaboutright7483]

Looks like a 2000's sitcom dad without the beard. But we're still rockin with you brother

[@hunterbarrett8801]

Theyre great fun to shoot without completely going broke and good for training new people. They also are a good choice for someone who is concerned with barrier penetration within a housing development. I don't have to worry about that so I have a shorty 300blk, but I won't knock someone who owns a pcc to fit a specific niche task they have. Also the roller delayed ones are really extra nice to shoot

[@francisco4194]

Roller delayed or Radial delayed blowback. The cmmg uppers rock.

[@Mamba503]

Exactly this. I like PCC’s for apartments but when I get a house I’ll move over to a rifle caliber home defense gun

[@80snostalgic74]

Exactly. For home defense, with suppression, for low barrier penetration out into my neighborhood, and so my wife, and children don't go deaf in a scenario where i might need to communicate with them in a high stress situation especially, is what i was going for when i got one. That's the only practical niche i see in a PCC. Yes, could also be solved by subsonic .300blk, however i just didn't want to mess around with "after the range, did i load the mag with subs again, or no?" As one penetrates into the neighbor's house...

[@bushwacker2048]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but 5.56 overpenetrates less than pistol rounds. Maybe subsonic 300 blackout is bad about overpenetration, I dunno, but there's a reason, besides increased lethality, that LEOs and federal agencies have pretty much gone over whole hog to short 5.56s and shotguns. 10.3" or longer 5.56 ARs and shotguns loaded with #4 buck are about the safest things to fire in a dwelling with concern for your neighbors. Now, if you felt the need to go REALLY short, 6" barrel or less, then yeah, pcc ftw for the sake of lethality

[@GoesSlow]

@@bushwacker2048 Stop spreading this misinformation. You're wrong. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4myeoSdm9uJoqc

[@jeffdonaldson6538]

Thanks John. Some good thoughts...

[@wadesafool]

I really never thought about it like that! Wow such good information thank you! And super funny!

[@xxFairestxx]

I mean speaking from experience, small team direct action units absolutely use 9 mm. If anything, there were many times I wish I had it when I didn’t. The weight of the ammo alone and what you can carry in volume is already a massive asset. Lots of variables to consider.

[@videodistro]

This was my comment, too. There are good reasons swat and special ops use PCC's like the MP5 - and it's not just useful with full auto, though that really kicks it up a notch.

[@Calcapwn300]

the weight difference is almost not even worth mentioning. 9mm vs 556. you can carry more from a space taken pov though

[@Valorius]

@@videodistro many if not most elite units trained to never even use full auto on mp5s.

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

9mm obsolete

[@brandonshepherd3317]

124g 9mm and 55g 5.56 is the same weight lol

[@rollin1895]

There is no “useless” gun. Some are more practical than others depending on the situation.

[@nmr6988]

Excellent point.

[@codyryan1027]

SCCY CPX. Not so much a gun as a malfunction trainer. So I guess it is useful in that regard lol

[@VCBird6]

Google Nambu Type 94 Thank me later lol

[@Valorius]

@@VCBird6 Ian from forgotten weapons has said it was a perfectly serviceable military firearm.

[@Jezus42]

Yes but they have to be functional! Almost all AR based pccs are hot garbage. I wouldn't bet my life on one.

[@drrjohn2020]

Thank you for all the comic relief🤣😂. Made my day! Also great platform info.

[@plainjane4318]

I really like how the bloopers with the animals were left in the video. Educational and entertaining format.

[@pnwrx1562]

*The "I'm in danger" Simpsons cut was golden lol*

[@allenperry6205]

I think that regardless of where you stand on PCCs, this was an awesome video for bringing to light the pluses and minuses to keep in mind when deciding if this type of weapon is one to add to your arsenal. Thank you John and Paul for your insight and advice!

[@rbbeac]

The mule made it pretty awesome, too!

[@joshhencik1849]

Agree with ammo and mag compatibility. A very huge positive when grabbing a handgun and a PCC at the same time. Glock mags seem to be the most versatile these days, and many PCC setups take Glock mags (NAK 9, KelTec Sub 2000, certain AR platforms, Ruger PCC and PC Charger) and other handguns take Glock mags (PSA Dagger).

[@alvarez1284]

Wish you guys used a CZ Scorpion carbine. I have it as a home defense rifle. It’s very accurate, and so far it hasn’t failed me after thousands of rounds. Great video, thank you!

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Something a 9mm subgun does very well is sound. Even without a can, a 9mm from an 8" barrel is less concussive than a 5.56 from anything less than a 20". But (NFA aside, but Hughes amendment considered) an MP5SD is still on my list to get. A 9mm can be ported and suppressed and still be fairly short, and I just love suppressed weapons. _Suppress everything._

[@bradsimpson8724]

"Suppress everything." Yes. Almost everything in my armoury is getting a suppressor. I'm downsizing significantly, and the funds I'm bringing in have been paying for stamps and cans for those that are staying. It's amazing what you learn; my latest discovery is that the muzzle blast from my braked .300 NM is more responsible for people flinching than the recoil impulse. Never knew that until my TBAC showed up. The only thing(I think) not getting a can is my CCW. I'll have a 9mm can, and I might buy a barrel for it just for funsies, but it is legitimately the only gun I own that I have no interest in suppressing.

[@hotdog9262]

@JOe DeLeon 300BLK suppressed.. is almost pointless over a 9mm

[@indy82nd]

​​@@hotdog9262 Subsonic 300blk offers only marginal performance over 9mm is what he means. And at a dollar a round for 300blk I'll take the 9mm hands down. With either youre getting roughly 350 ft pounds of muzzle energy so why pay more.

[@gamerbg294]

​​@@indy82ndPersonally, I don't think the comparison between 9mm and .300 AAC subsonics is so fair, as the difference in projectile weight is significant, but if we compare a .45 acp with .300 AAC the comparison becomes fairer (in terms of performance, of course)

[@chuck9434]

I have a lever action 357 magnum. Great for deer hunting, especially for my younger grandson since there is light recoil. Very few times we have shots over 100 yards. I still have my rifles. I just love both.

[@mattbrown5511]

My load out is very similar. I have a S&W 686 (4" barrel) as my EDC and a Henry lever with an 18" barrel. It is what I have, what I have used, literally, since I was kid and cannot afford many $1500+ guns. Keep training and enjoying the freedom seed spreader you have.

[@evanderboynton3057]

I think a 357 carbine would be a lot of fun. Plus the advantages you mention

[@mattbrown5511]

@@evanderboynton3057 See if a friend has one. I think, even after a full US Army career as an infantryman, that revolvers and levers are just blast.

[@jamesdenardo8368]

Best video ever! Cameo of the Ranger Mule was great!

[@rona6279]

Bought mine to use in USPSA matches. It is just a lot of fun to run in those. Shooting for fun, can’t beat it!

[@jaycousland9835]

I switched to a 9mm PCC during the great 22 shortage. The fun factor is off the charts. I now have one in 45 ACP, which drops BP fast.Quick target acquisition, cheap, no over penetration ,what's not to like?!

[@harveypolanski755]

BP?

[@IHavAnAkimbonr]

@@harveypolanski755 I assume he means blood pressure. As in .45 plugs bigger holes.

[@Followme556]

@@IHavAnAkimbonr 185gr .45 ACP +P out of a 10" barrel is certainly one big hole making mofo.

[@darek4488]

A PCC in .45ACP caliber? Is it a Tommy?

[@jaycousland9835]

@@darek4488 ,it's a High Point. They make them in 9mm,380 ACP, 40S&W, and 45Acp. The 9 is a bit more accurate, and has a huge fun factor. I've shot over 2000 rounds out of the nine,reloads,powder coats, quite reliable! Yeah ,BP= blood pressure. And black powder!

[@MarineBiker]

CX4 and 92fs for the wife, she's pretty good with them. Same mags too.

[@heavycoughin6665]

I'm a little late to this video, that little advert in the beginning was great. I love how the boom mic is following Chad back down 😂

[@harveysimms9387]

P.S. I forgot to mention that I really enjoyed watching your video, including your mule. The video put a smile on my face which is needed very much in these perilous times that we live. Keep up the good work and thank you.😃👍

[@thomascrompton7775]

For me I have both. My whole want for pcc was 1 30 rounds vs my 17 round pistol. 2nd is home defense where close quarters and neighbors homes not but 20 yards away on each side. So concerned with over penatration of my 223/556.

[@BattleChemist]

This is what I've been saying for years... The only PCC I own is the Kel-Tec Sub2k, but that's because it can fold up and go in a backpack (as well as share mags with my Glock). That said, I only bought that before pistol braces were a thing and now my backpack gun is an 8.5" .300BLK AR with LAW Tactical folding hinge and the Sub2k doesn't see any time out of the safe anymore.

[@MrMyk69]

Ruger PC 9 is take down as well and shares Glock mags. Makes for a fun day at range as well.

[@bradfreed1942]

Don’t sell your sub2000 since attached pistol braces will be a felony in a few months thanks to the unconstitutional ATF. Watch out, next they might make a rule saying soda is now liquor.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

@@MrMyk69 pc9 is almost 2x as heavy as a Sub2k unfortunately

[@randyschweiss847]

I'm actually in the middle of building a "6 inch" Angry Joe AR14 in 300 blk out

[@bradfreed1942]

@@randyschweiss847 why would you do that? All anyone needs is a shotgun. Just walk out on the porch and let off a couple of blasts

[@SC93-85]

9:19. THANK YOU. Hit the nail right on the head.

[@theredcelt627]

PCC’s (in an SBR or braced pistol configuration) serve a very niche roll. I think they are fantastic for home defense. It’s more accurate and controllable than a handgun but very maneuverable in indoor spaces. It’s quieter (especially with a can). It has less over penetration than a rifle round, so I’m not as worried about shooting through my house and into my neighbors’ or into rooms with my kids in them. Also, I’ve seen M193 get stopped by IIIA armor at

[@chltmdwp]

Not sure why you believe that 9mm penetrates less than 5.56 rounds? You should really watch vdeos and it will change your mind. Even the hollow ponits penetrate as it doesn't expand when hitting the wall.

[@NoNo_IStay]

"Pistol rounds don't defeat body armor." Neither will a 5.56 out of a 10" barrel

[@NoNo_IStay]

And no 300blk is making it through armor

[@lukejohnson1274]

@@NoNo_IStay He meant soft I'm sure.

[@daviddundrea3424]

I love submachine guns. Compact, light, handy, low recoil, and very quiet suppressed with subsonic rounds. An ideal weapon for stealth and close quarters. The way I see it is a burst of 8 rounds of 9mm is the same as a 000 buckshot round. Of course 9mm hollow points are much better than shot lead balls. A rifle is deadlier, however it’s also much louder, even when suppressed. Not running a suppressor, go 9mm for sure!! Rifles and shotguns are very loud indoors. And with these new binary triggers it’s a solid option.

[@everydayman3497]

But harder to control and you get put on a fancy list with that machine gun…🤔

[@bbarker5766]

@@everydayman3497 it's not a machine gun...😉😉

[@daviddundrea3424]

@@everydayman3497 No need to pay the tens of thousands of dollars for a transferable machine gun. Just get a binary trigger. No need for a SBR. Just get a pistol with a brace. Of course these items might get banned at some point, still legal today. It’s not hard to control at all. I have a much harder time with shotguns.

[@everydayman3497]

@@daviddundrea3424 fair enough! I’ve never tried a binary trigger

[@mpeugeot]

I love my 9mm STG and my 22lr American 180, at 10 or 20 rounds per second respectively - that's 800 grains of happiness headed in fast.

[@clap5]

I like the MPX. It's practically a AR so training is almost one to one. As far as home defense a PCC is just fine...better then a handgun. Almost no one is wearing body armor in the civilian world so that's barely a factor. If we are talking about straight up combat...then no, I'll take my AR thank you. The only real con is that it's not a true battle rifle. MPX all day over any other PCC.

[@Mrdanielmesa]

Many governments around the world actually use the MPX in the field.

[@clap5]

@@Mrdanielmesa For security detail.

[@StefanSu91]

If PCCs have no use then every 9mm pistol has no use. My wife has a Stribog for home defense which she is willing to shoot way more often than a rifle round.

[@ThreeLeggedBear]

Conflating a pcc with pistol in terms of use is asinine.

[@lognliv]

@@ThreeLeggedBear There is no conflating about it. A PCC is generally going to be more accurate (in the hands of the average shooter) and always going to be more powerful than a standard pistol. While the increase in ballistics may be nominal, PCC's are still more powerful than pistols...period. Therefore, if a PCC is pointless wouldn't that make a pistol even more pointless? Nobody is trying imply that a PCC has anywhere near the ballistic capabilites of a centerfire rifle. But to flippantly dismiss all PCC's as novelty range toys with zero practical application is just silly. I think each platform has its place and I completely agree that a PCC is a bit of a luxury for anybody's arsenal. I would always focus first on acquiring a reliable pistol, rifle, and probably even a good home defense shotgun before buying a PCC. Once you've got the basics covered, though, have at it if a PCC tickles your fancy.

[@TheAlexagius]

A 9mm pistol does what none of these do, which is be concealable. Pistols are a massive compromise for the aim of being small and compact, so even if PCCs were worthless, it would have no bearing on pistols, after all you're not going to CCW a rifle, you can a pistol

[@jsar5409]

Your 9mm pistol has a use: to get you to your rifle

[@nikobellic3526]

@@jsar5409 yelp

[@marcconnor4837]

In my opinion a pcc has its place in a self defense 1 if you live in a apartment complex less charge of over penetration 2 easier to control then a handgun 3 I don’t think the barrel should not be less then 8 inches 4 they can handle the higher pressure Ammunition like the plus p

[@daflea66]

Unless you hit door framing or a stud dead-on 9mm penetrates several complete drywall walls. The 9mm can also penetrate more gel after the panels than 5.56

[@marcconnor4837]

@@daflea66 true there isn’t much that drywall will stop. But a hand gun round is unlikely to over penetrate a body like a rifle round would

[@keithwingo514]

@@daflea66 Which is why I've come full circle and have the good ole 45 ACP defense rounds. Big, slow, good damage, and die at the first barrier.

[@daflea66]

@@keithwingo514 Not interior walls =(

[@daflea66]

@@marcconnor4837 The right 5.56 at the right velocity will surprise you on that I think

[@Tinorr28]

The biggest reason for a PCC in my mind is it is a great training gun. My kids are going to have a much better time shooting my PCC than my .308. I learned on a .22 but being able to transition to a center fire cartridge without it costing a bunch of money in ammo is a huge plus for me. Another plus for me is that it's far lighter to carry for my wife but it allows her to have many of the same capabilities. It's also legal. In Canada most modern rifle carbines have been prohibited.

[@codylarge7411]

Touching on Canada as this is where i am it is also not legal to have more then 5 rounds in a semi auto rifle hand guns are alowed 10 rounds airgo hand gun mags in a rifle gives you 5 extra rounds.

[@bly4233]

Escape. Canadia.

[@carcasscrusher666]

Canada sucks!

[@defilade1066]

And that's your only reason.. cheaper ammo..lol

[@mfallen6894]

@@codylarge7411 Get out of Chinada while you still can!

[@WJ_Warpig2024]

I have the Ruger PC charger. I love it, butYou guys are on point on all points. It’s my rifle trainer , truck gun, home defense 9mm. I’ll be grabbing a full rifle soon.

[@PollyMercocet]

The PSA ARV is a great option it handles nice I’ve never had an issue with mine 👌🏽 pcc aren’t bad in a self defense situation or in a very tight urban area like an apartment complex also 9mm out of an 8 inch barrel is pretty spicy 🌶 most of us can’t afford suppressors not to mention 300 blocks being expensive and a short ar is kind of unpleasant to shoot

[@dustyrhodes2717]

CMMG’s are very reliable and low recoil due to the radial delay blowback BCG. Have a .45 ACP Banshee and it’s very killy. 230 gr hollow points won’t tickle someone.

[@fairlanemuscle]

Agreed. I'm pushing 185 grain 45s to 1800 fps put of a JRC....someday I'll be a rich guy like you to afford a CMMG

[@justdewit]

Won't tickle someone... lmfao

[@estebanmiguel6019]

Agreed. “Killy” is now my favorite word.

[@moonshinethics]

I want a cmmg that takes Ruger 57 mags.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

And there are a multitude of other calibers that would outperform the 45 in every way in that same size firearm. Nobody once claimed they couldn't be used effectively for serious business, but you absolutely have to admit you've chosen a lower performance round for whatever reason.

[@Valkyrie1911]

They're fun to shoot and more importantly, my wife can shoot it more comfortably than an AR. I don't really get the hate for PCCs when it comes to them being pistol caliber....we all carry 9mm every day in handguns and are okay with it. Would I choose it over 5.56 or .300blk, no, but its still a viable option to put someone down.

[@cmbowtie]

I made one on AR platform. My SS-MR920 pistol matched with a 8” barreled 9mm AR sharing the same mag. # backpack, truck bag combo. Nothing wrong with some variety.

[@stephenjackman6163]

I agree, great assessment

[@everytownforgunsafety8198]

I got a PCC for my wife as she highly recoil adverse and can’t hit crap with a pistol… With a 9mm PCC at least she has a chance. Also for those urban folks they have less over “Killy” to worry about (over penetration) with a PCC.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

9mm will go thru an entire house, 5.56 will not

[@jamesspires8462]

@@mrs.vasquezz You are absolutely correct, well maybe not a whole house, but alot more walls than a 5.56

[@mrs.vasquezz]

@@jamesspires8462 I have personally done it

[@GoesSlow]

@@mrs.vasquezz That's absolutely not true. There are tons of drywall penetration videos out there for you to correct your misinformation. In every test I've seen 5.56 penetrates slightly more drywall than 9mm FMJ, and much more than 9mm HP rounds. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4myeoSdm9uJoqc

[@mrs.vasquezz]

@@GoesSlow no

[@GryphonBrokewing]

Inspired intro sequence. I'd say there's a time and place for every firearm. Some have far greater applications and get closer to "do anything" where some are only really going to be effective in a very limited situation. However, if you're in that situation most often, then it's worth it. Just as I'm not going to try using a katana for peeling potatoes, I'm not using a .50 BMG as an in-town home defense firearm.

[@btsoc1397]

True, but a 300blk can do everything a 9mm is good at, but better. The only advantage the 9mm gives is price, and the fact that the round won't go through your walls and hit the neighbors or other people in your house. Other than that, the 300blk is infinitely better.

[@btsoc1397]

I'll follow up by saying, there's a time and place for a 9mm, and thats in a sidearm only. There is not however a time and place for every gun. Many guns are unreliable, many calibers are now irrelevant, and many guns do things better than other guns. John's point isn't that a gun should do everything, but if it's meant to do something, it should do it well. Short range with a short barrel, a 300blk performs better than a 5.56, and a 5.56 outperforms a 300blk at distances over 100 yards. Wheras both a 5.56 and 300blk can outperform a 9mm carbine in any scenerio (close or long range). Different guns have a time and place, like you said, but a 9mm carbines only place is plinking and competitive shooting.

[@austindecker7643]

@@btsoc1397 I say a bullet is a bullet and is still deadly

[@btsoc1397]

@Austin Decker all bullets have the potential to be deadly, and some have more potential. You're much more likely to live from a 9mm wound than you are a 30 caliber wound. Not only is the 30 caliber going to leave a bigger hole, but its more accurate, has higher velocity and delivers more energy. All those things together make the round much more lethal than a 9mm. Just like, I would rather get hit by a 22lr than a 9mm. "A bullet is a bullet" is a cop out to justify using a shitty tool for the job at hand. Can a 9mm kill a bear? Sure, it CAN, but likely either won't kill it, or wont kill it fast enough to save your life if one is running at you. You would want a better round more equipped for the job. Same with a self defense situation or a tactical situation. It's just common sense.

[@shuumai]

@@btsoc1397 in the civilian world, stopping a person is more important than killing a person, and if you kill someone, it's important for it to be the right someone, not someone else who was hit after a bullet passed thru your target or thru too many walls.

[@billyrowland503]

Keep making videos John!!!

[@1dog2cuts22]

I like how the video is unedited!!! Great job guy's..

[@davidevans2545]

Keltec sub 2000 with MCARBO upgrades stowed in a back pack. This way, you have ammo and mags that can go back and forth for both weapon systems. Instead of just 30 rounds for each platform, you can have 60 or even more. I can carry 122 rounds and use all in any system I chose.

[@gilkennedy7638]

I have that set up and love it !

[@thegoodguy729]

10mm PCC is a nice home defense tool, assuming you can find the ammo.

[@ea9373]

40sw will hold you over until 10mm comes back

[@JohnDoe-zg6fn]

I keep hearing this, but where I live we have cases of 10mm on our shelves. I have almost a 1000 rounds of Federal HST and some Underwood and Ft Scott. Same for 9mm. Now 40, 45, 5.7, not too much.

[@gamerbg294]

Unfortunately a lot of people don't see this, but it's possible to achieve the "power" of lower spectrum intermediate cartridges (like 5.56 NATO, 5.45x39mm, etc), with handgun/pistol cartridges (.357 magnum and 10mm auto are examples of pistol cartridges that in a 16" barrel can achieve very close performance to the aforementioned rifle cartridges with the same barrel length), therefore, if the industry/public was really more open to innovation, pistol cartridges that focused on smaller, more aerodynamic, lighter projectiles and with larger cases, should already be becoming more popular (obviously it cannot go to the extreme of 5.7x28mm, as the very little mass and small area mean that it does not have a good area even when expanded and when it expands it can underpenetrate, in this case the only example I know that currently fits the description proposed above is the 7.5 FK, but I think a "less powerful" cartridge is better, so that the pistol is not too bulky and it is possible to design it to be compact and light, therefore, a possible alternative would be to neck-up the 5.7x28mm, reaching up to 7.25mm), on the other hand, intermediate cartridges would have to move to the higher spectrum (some examples are, 6mm Max, 6mm ARC and 6.8 SPC) in order to remain relevant.

[@heavycoughin6665]

With the right ammo combination these short PCCs are perfect for close quarters engagements like in your house, and I imagine they do pretty well as a truck gun. Had a bare minimum it's great training at a cheaper cost.

[@frank.preacher]

good points!

[@trynagetbanned8483]

Essentially a pistol with better accuracy, range and velocity. I can definitely see a purpose for that.

[@mpf3310]

Well said

[@bly4233]

Except…they are rifle-size platforms…defeating the purpose…

[@trynagetbanned8483]

@@bly4233 I mean, One could argue SMGs aren't useful because rifle caliber machine guns are more powerful. But I think submachine guns are pretty useful too.

[@benanthony9422]

And magazine capacity with most PCCs

[@trynagetbanned8483]

@@benanthony9422 For sure

[@Robert-pm1bb]

Freaking love my pc charger. Saving up to throw a can on it

[@DonTruman]

Appreciate the discussion. I'm looking to buy my first firearm, and the S&W FPC is looking to be the best. A category of owner ya'll didn't consider is the older man with arthritis, looking mostly for home defense, and not looking to get nearly as deep into firearms as professionals such as yourself. I've fired 150 rounds through 3 different 9mm pistols and while that's doable, I'm not confident I'd have good control over it in a firefight. So for me, I'm looking at this as a 9mm pistol *replacement*. For CC I'll have to downgrade to .380 to be confident I can hit the mark, first, second, and third shots. Re: penetrating body armor, something I've seen in police bodycam videos is when an officer is shot but it doesn't penetrate, he's still knocked down and in a whole lot of pain. If you're just looking for personal defense, not to win wars, that seems a good thing. Might even be better, given the legal troubles that come from even justified personal defense shootings. I.e., a temporary injury that debilitates an attacker will probably fare better in court than killing him. But again, I'm a beginner here so I don't mean to sound like I'm lecturing. Am just tossing out thoughts on the issue, based on listening to many hours of professionals discussing such things.

[@bamabull4052]

The Mule was awesome…LOL, and great editing to add some music during her appearance. Ok that being said, I came looking for this video for the exact reason John summed up the video. I have everything else in the cabinet, now I just want something for fun, for younger shooters, something with aesthetics. We all have pistols, so why not a PCC for the fun of it.

[@wpick]

How do feel about using a PCC in a home defense situation? I've heard of one lady successfully defending her home against several home invaders with a HI POINTS carbine.

[@BeeHiverson]

Paul is so calm and nice, he is doing a killer job teaching that lady about PCC's!

[@kevinkidd9669]

Very good informative video but the mule made it all worth while lmbo!!!

[@paddypibblet846]

Fills a very important but niche role for me. I'm a Californian so I can't suppress a HD firearm. And I also compete in sports like USPSA and work as a CCW instructor. Which means that 9mm makes up the biggest percentage of my ammo purchases and my stock pile. The PCC I use for competition that I shoot at a grandmaster level is the same firearm that's next to my bed to defend my family and my life, not many people can say that about their HD gun. I have actual rifles in my safe, but those would only come out in the incredibly unlikely SHTF manchild LARP fantasy that I truly don't think will ever happen. For actual realistic home defense though, the PCC works perfectly fine. I keep hearing the argument about how 9mm won't go through body armor, however everyone and their grandma now has at the minimum level 4 plates. Which means that your 5.56 ammo also won't go through armor unless you have access to Gucci 5.56 ammo which 99.9% of us do not. And at home defense distances, with a very easy to shoot low recoil PCC, everything should be a T-zone shot.

[@iKiLLeDkEnnY0000]

Oh boy, I finally got to a video before everyone else.

[@TheMLightning]

A "pcc" is a step up from a pistol in a lot of cases and a step down from a rifle in most cases.

[@korrigan731]

Pcc in a very light and compact platform is ok. But nowadays it’s just the same size and weight of a real rifle, so not so great. As a range toy it’s ok.

[@Followme556]

@@korrigan731 depends what you're using it for. As a trail defense weapon i'd take a PCC with the appropriate ammo over a 5.56mm any day. There are just too many types of large, agressive wild animals that a 5.56mm simply lacks the penetration to deal with effectively for most people. And in a true long term survival setting, give me a .38/357 magnum lever gun every day of the week over any AR.

[@papimaximus95]

@@Followme556 "And in a true long term survival setting, give me a .38/357 magnum lever gun every day of the week over any AR." Yep! .357mag lever action and my 686+ pistol.

[@Followme556]

@@papimaximus95 It's really not even close. The .357 duo is the one to rule them all.

[@Flashhood1425]

I hadn’t ever considered it myself but the folks over at Tactical Hyve did a video on setting up a PCC for training purposes… so I went down the rabbit hole and set one up almost identical to my main squeeze 556 gun… and it’s already paid for itself in ammo costs.

[@darrellgriffith6756]

Yup, this ^^^

[@nschaad1982]

Ralphie on the bus was brilliant editing!😂

[@fyremanjef]

Perfect timing as I’m thinking about a Ruger PC9

[@TheCloneGuy97]

I just got one last week and love it! I put a SB tactical triangle folding brace on it, and it looks sick!

[@fyremanjef]

@@TheCloneGuy97 the KZbin algorithm is really working today. I just saw a video about Magpul’s 50 round drum for the PCC. I was already drooling over the takedown backpacker for the PC9. This is the icing on the cake

[@Scout339th]

6:13 minor correction, the PSA actually looks to take CZ Scorpion EVO mags. Heck, this knowledge might even help you find more mags for them! (Magpul makes good cheap ones, 3D printed ones hold up well too)

[@BigBenC1991]

TIL that PSA has apparently (for some strange reason) switched away from Glock mags for these since I bought mine years ago

[@TheWilldady]

How does the man have a channel of this caliber and not have this info on the psa arv or akv. Not knocking the man but misleading alot of people psa.

[@GTacticalJody]

The biggest advantage of the rifle platform is the stability you get which enables more accurate shot placement. I don’t think anyone can shoot a pistol more accurately than a pcc

[@deangapp2086]

Great video. Another plus is for condo and apartment dwellers. 9mm howl low points are less effective on barriers. The rifle platform with a pistol round argument has its truth, but the .223 is a varmint round on a battlefield. I built one for my wife. She’s intimidated by the AR-15 muzzle blast. She shoots this like a beast. Competency beats terminal ballistics every time.

[@chasinjw5131]

For me, mag and caliber compatibility make it an essential add to your safe. Even if you don't use it as often as you would a rifle caliber, why not have multiple redundancies?

[@snek9353]

Why spend money on redundancies?

[@daflea66]

2 is 1, 1 is none. But lets face it we arent going to run 100% 9mm in everything we own, so youre likely already stocking 5.56 which rebounds to the "you're better off with a rifle caliber" unless all you own is handguns.

[@snek9353]

@@daflea66 300BLK makes it all redundant as 300 works well in 5" and 16" ARs.

[@daflea66]

@@snek9353 True enough!

[@klee1410]

because they are pansy guns that are too big to conceal?

[@robscroggins4685]

I like my PCC, It is a fun shooter and I believe it is a good close quarters weapon, think MP5. With the correct ammo, over penetration through walls is not as bug of a problem for me, No kids in the house. Plus, I can get out to 100 yards with a decent pattern, not that I would typically shoot that far with it. Overall, it is fun and it is a art of my defense plan, tough not first line of defense.

[@jjwagner595]

Honest review. Thanks. Texas out…PEACE! 👊🏻🤙🏻

[@scott.m.thacker]

Really enjoy your videos. Not just the ones about guns but also about becoming more of a man. That is something that I question myself about all the time. Fyi…the owner of the company I work for also resides in Dalton Ga where you train.

[@peterhamstra8871]

The obvious use case for a PCC is suburban home defense where penetration is a huge concern. You want something with more accuracy and easier to use than a regular pistol, especially if your option is a compact pistol or micro-compact. I think this is a bad overall take considering this use case is not addressed.

[@doublebiggs8498]

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[@doublebiggs8498]

This is a myth my guy

[@Will-zp8wd]

You’re better off with a suppressed .300 blk even in this scenario.

[@Brimwald]

Pistol calibers penetrate as much as rifle rounds. Adding barrel length will likely cause more penetration. 5.56 destabilize more after going through walls or other objects making it the safest option.

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[@sigdog365]

Love my pcc. I have a sig mpx, it is lighter weight than my sig 716. It is cheaper to shoot. The stock is adjustable so my short wife can shoot it. I have about 35 acres to shoot around on, and being a pistol round it is slower and less powerful than a rifle round, so it is safer to practice with. I don't need as good of a backstop to catch the bullets. For my .308 I shoot into a tri-axle dump trunk pile of sand, and for my 9mm I shoot into multiple square bales of straw covered with sand. They also come in handy when I come across groundhogs, coyotes, raccoons among other small undesirable animals.

[@saltykrug]

Looking forward to hearing your take on PCCs. I have a CZ Scorpion EVO 2. I love it, fun to shoot. It's a 9mm of course and I think it would be practical for home defense if it's what I kept near my bed. I have plenty of real estate for lights, laser and the optic. I don't have light & laser on it yet so that's why it's not near my bed. I do on my Sig SP 2022 so that's my home defense gun. 2 15 rd mags gives me plenty of rounds. If I have not protected my family in 30 rounds, the bad guys either left or I'm dead most likely. I really want a can for my CZ Scorpion to make it better for in home defense. I like the fact I have 2 20 round mags & 2 30 round mags. A lot more rounds to just blaze like an idiot god forbid I ever have to.

[@SamuelOliver]

Have an Armelite AR-19 9mm pcc haven’t had one malfunction in 1,500 rounds. What I like most is the Glock mag compatibility, so 1 mag for my PCC and my pistol. But I do have 300BL and 5.56 pistols