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Peter Atkins gives his argument against Islam being a peaceful religion.
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Peter Atkins, former Professor of Chemistry at Oxford, concludes the debate by describing Islam along with all other religions as a "supermarket of ideas and instructions" from which good and bad men can select what they want "according to their taste."
However, he claims that Islam "does in practice inspire more violence than the other Abrahamic religions".
Taking on Adam Deen's metaphor of a 'golden thread', he argues that "the opposite of peace is woven into the fabric of the Qur'an."
Atkins declares that "all the seas incarnadine cannot wash the blood from a religion's hands", because "when evils destroy a human life, as they did yesterday, that life cannot be restored". He calls on the audience to oppose the motion "for the sake of humanity."
MOTION: THIS HOUSE BELIEVES ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE.
Yes's: 286
No's: 168
Filmed on 28/02/2013
ABOUT PETER ATKINS:
PETER ATKINS is former Professor of Chemistry at the University of Oxford and now a fellow of Lincoln College. A fervent critic of all religions, he is an Honorary Associate of the National Secular Society. He claims "science is almost totally incompatible with religion."
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[@nicky2044]

This video was filmed 10 years ago, but couldn't be any more relevant than it is today. Europe now faces what this man was talking about, and gets a taste of what radical Islam is.

[@hibye7751]

Stop generalizing Islam. Of course Hamas is bad, but what did you expect? Did you think Hamas wouldn't do anything? I mean, you want Palestinians to suffer silently right? By the way there are Christian Hamas soldiers lol and Israel bombed the third oldest church in the world (1600 years old), a 600 year old Monastery in Lebanon A DAY before Christmas.

[@lunahilang7386]

brother he said specifically radical islam calm down @@hibye7751

[@Arunh9-pw7lp]

@@hibye7751but that doesn’t defuse the claims of this gentleman. He was correct in predicting the fate of Europe bcz of Islam!

[@Explorist719]

@@Arunh9-pw7lp How? Have you looked at the protest. It's not just Muslims protesting against the bombings.

[@yomamasofat413]

looks like the high sparrow from game of thrones lol

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

+Max Tan hahaha had exactly the same thought

[@manav8289]

Nailed it

[@furqonalfarid3773]

Yup your right

[@shriaanshpathak1440]

Good observation👍👍

[@sulaimantankomohammed6258]

😃😃🤷‍♂️👌

[@aaronrendon6437]

While I agree with the opposition's position, I would probably have to say that the Proposer's won the debate. This side just had no one to match Mehdi Hasan. Hitchens or Harris would have been extremely useful for this debate.

[@TheMindIlluminated]

No, they would have been just as bad. Especially Sam Harris, that guy is a tool of the highest order.

[@spandan3504]

@@TheMindIlluminated how is europe benifitting now from the muslim immigrants? right it is burning with riots every other month!!

[@LagAttacktoSlay]

At this point and after the damage Mr. Mehdi caused, I'm only watching the sequel of this debate out of respect for Mr. Peter Atkins' knowledge in his field.

[@RA-pf2mt]

Me too bro..

[@ahmedhasan9212]

Where’s the sequel?

[@munshibarkatali8928]

Why everyone is after Muslims We haven't did anything to you guys!

[@anushcheema7100]

lol what damage did he cause he knew what he was saying and mr peter has weakest points

[@randomguy8647]

That's a lot of damage

[@fabihatursha2646]

It's extremely interesting, from a "non religious" observation, to read such strong and passionate comments that are stated as facts without the use of correct terminology.

[@Resplencemelodi]

I don't belelive a follower of a religion that was founded by an illiterate should have any opinion on terminology.

[@AtamMardes]

Questions: 1- Qur'an teaches peace and freedom of opinion. I agree. But why do some Islamic countries have the "death for apostasy" law? 2- If those Islamic countries have made up the "death for apostasy" law on their own and are misrepresenting Qur'an, then isn't it the responsibility of Muslims to persuade them to stop misrepresenting Qur'an by abolishing the "death for apostasy" law? 3- Wouldn't be easier to promote Islam in non-Islamic countries when no "death for apostasy" law exists in the currently Islamic countries? 4- What guarantees that promoting a peaceful Islam in a non-Islamic country will not eventually lead to "death for apostasy" law after it becomes an Islamic country?

[@zaydmia5097]

They misinterpreted a statement of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). The "death for apostasy" was made because in the early days of Islam it was a war on the state and the "apostates" apostatized because they did not want to follow the law and become the leaders of the Caliphate unjustly.

[@AtamMardes]

Zayd Hussein Mia But some Islamic countries still have the "death for apostasy" laws in place today. Are you saying the whole country misinterpreted the statement and they have not yet realized that they misinterpreted the statement?

[@zaydmia5097]

atam mardes Yes, they have misinterpreted the statement, just as Saudi Arabia has created un-Islamic laws such as not allowing women to drive. There are many innovations in Salafi and Shi'i (Iranian) Islam and this is just one of them.

[@habiburrahman-of8db]

Islam has death penalty for apostasy and it's procedure is if one muslim converts to some other religion. Then scholars of islam will say to that man to come back to islam if you will not come back then argue with us and let's have a discussion to find which religion is true, I mean that which religion is valid to be followed. If he can prove that the new religion is better then the new religion is valid to be followed but if can't then the scholars of islam will prove to him that islam is the only valid true religion which is must to be followed to go to paradise in the Hereafter. Islam is the only religion which can answer all the questions which can come in your mind. The scholars will convince him for three days to take him back to islam. And if he doesn't come he will be sentenced to death penalty. All those are bullying on Islam are those who don't know about islam and whoever gain the true knowledge of islam converts to islam. Just search and listen to those who converted to islam are the highly educated intelligent men in Europe and America and those converted to some other religion from islam they are those who are uneducated and those who don't have the knowledge of Islam. So my friend feel the difference.

[@TheYourtuber1]

Hello, I really appreciate you for asking questions rather than badmouthing like some others on here. Personally, I would recommend that you actually do some more research on this yourself as it might help you come up with an idea of why it exists. However, I will try to answer your question and if it makes sense to you great! if not, well no one can change that. First let me start off by explaining what this law really is and why it is in place in Islamic states. The "death for apostasy" law came into use when atheists and polytheists at the time of the holy prophet(pbuh) used to seemingly convert to Islam and then leave Islam just to spread hate and denounce it amongst the masses. “And a section of the people of Book says, ‘believe at day-break in what has been sent down to those who believe and deny at the day-end; perhaps they may turn away.’” (Qur’an 3:72). They did this because they had extreme animosity towards the prophet(pbuh) they did not like that the Holy Prophet(pbuh) was changing their wild ways and showing them decency, gratefulness etc. Another important thing that I want to mention is that this law only comes into affect when the apostasy becomes public. This is where your freedom of thinking and freedom of opinion/expression separate. You have no limits freedom of thought, however when you start taking action on it it becomes your deed and hence if you become apostate and keep to yourself this law does not apply, if you go out in the public denouncing Islam; spreading lies, hate and encouraging others around you to leave the religion, it results in this law being applied. 1)You are absolutely correct, Islam does teach peace and freedom of opinion, however, freedom of opinion/expression has to remain within the confines of the state in which you reside. For instance, if you are in a proper Islamic state you have to go by their laws, if you are in a western state, you have to follow their laws. The Islamic countries have to keep this law since it is told by the Holy Quran. 2)No these Islamic countries have not made up this law, hence no Muslim denies it because they themselves know it exists. 3)Im not sure I understand this question.. please do reply to me with a clearer explanation. 4)Who says non-Islamic countries will become Islamic countries so soon? or ever? It is not like Islam is being spread and Muslims are trying to take over each and every country..... Come on. Just to answer your question though.. if a country does "decide" to become an Islamic country it will definitely have the "death for apostasy" law. No guarantee that it will not. I know to an outsider it might seem very opressive and destructive of the freedom of a person, but when you get to know of the reasoning and conditions of this law it becomes very clear. Remember that Islam is a very "just" religion so every action is counted for. Also, don't just get stuck looking at Islam through this law... It is a very small detail compared to what the whole of Islam actually is.

[@cesboxer]

Result of the debate: 1- Ignorance is the mother of most prejudices 2- Not recognizing your own ignorance is the mother of most conflicts

[@UndeadTurning]

2,716 people have never read the Quran.

[@georgerickard5509]

***** The only way of measuring the qualities of a religion is by observing the actions of the believers.

[@UndeadTurning]

George Rickard No. You judge them by the scriptures they read to their kids every night before they go to sleep and eventually decide to become allahu snakbar jihadists.

[@georgerickard5509]

***** I think he's talking about the famous "allahu snackbar" passage from the hadith!

[@georgerickard5509]

***** you're great at detecting sarcasm!

[@UndeadTurning]

***** Okay. www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

[@thetechlibrarian]

Could you imagine even giving this speech today. Even if you don’t agree he should be able to speak. His opinion.

[@courseworkdue]

What😂 it’s open season on Muslims and Islam and has been for 20 years. Of course you could give this speech today. Change your question to “could you imagine even giving this speech about Judaism” and be intellectually honest with yourself as to what would happen.

[@themaskedman221]

And you could probably find videos of racists or religious bigots from 60 years ago saying things that would make a modern audience cringe. If he's "not allowed" to give the speech today, it's probably because most of the public has been enlightened on the matter. This side had their chance to debate this 10 -15 years ago, and they lost.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

@@courseworkduedeflection. There is nothing plenty to criticize about Islam.

[@justcasualps4882]

it's so hard to be racist these days:(

[@kenpachi90rokka]

as an amateur debater, I am curious as to why someone with such level of intelligence, not taking any points of interest?

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

look at these worms, they try to interrupt him every 15 seconds. i wonder WHY

[@saltypork101]

+Toxically Masculine "Point of information". That means he's literally said an incorrect fact.

[@KaziAnanda]

+Toxically Masculine A pathetic uneducated Dipshit wonders Why??? Fucking Hillarious LOL

[@mimo4856]

they don't have answers to the questions duh. Watch Hassan's video, he answers every uneducated anti-Islamists questions.

[@LonDanDoc]

+Toxically Masculine the point of information is part of debating tradition if you dont know about it dont speak

[@anthonyporens4983]

this man has a crystal clear thpughts , and what can only be described as a beautiful intellect.

[@Brillsama]

should have brought harris, dawkins, or hitchens for a job like this.

[@minhaaj]

haven't they been humiliated enough elsewhere ?

[@minhaaj]

You mean like he 'skinned' George Galloway at Baruch college? That fat hypocrite can't win an argument from a third grader.

[@KINGMJ1990]

Minhaaj Rehman Dawkins was interviewed by Hasan you idiot..Believing in winged horses...some people are still full of shit...

[@KINGMJ1990]

Minhaaj Rehman Getting rid of the religion is not getting rid of the people. Science and Pisslam co existing is like Intelligence and Stupidity..

[@minhaaj]

And this is exactly the kind of argument every nitwit like you has who believes in scientific fables like big bang. Name calling and clueless distortions.

[@rovibb2128]

Who is here after all 6 debate videos but still is in peace of mind :)

[@dumdumdumdum8804]

so what is the final verdict.

[@Aafi5haH]

Mahdi Hassan was in the debate how could they not win and thats what happened.

[@cyberanon2463]

@@Aafi5haH He said what's logical. A religion 2 billion members is not gonna be violent.

[@khansanaraees.2002]

No one

[@QaziMunaad]

@@dumdumdumdum8804 the majority of the house voted "yes" for Islam is the religion of peace and yea, Islam is a religion of peace

[@2LAZY2MAKEANAMEGIRL]

There will always be those who fight for all the wrong reasons but people should choose to recognize the ones who fight of the good

[@mm__1659]

Love his books.... physical chemistry, quantum mechanics , thermodynamics..........

[@thomasmills3934]

...what? Did u listen to the video?

[@ahmedayser461]

Lmao

[@eddieyan3017]

Lol

[@eddieyan3017]

@@thomasmills3934 He is being very sarcastic, meaning his expertise is in science and not religion.

[@mo.sharif1]

Exactly, he should stick to his field instead of berating other faiths.

[@franksanders9638]

I see in the 'About' section that 286 voted that Islam is a religion of peace and 168 voted that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. My understanding is also that this event is one held by the prestigious Oxford University. I see this as evidence that leftists have truly destroyed some if not all of the great educational institutions. Because this 'issue' is not actually a truly debatable one. To be of the opinion that Islam is peaceful is to be completely ignorant of Islam. From it's founding 'prophet' in the 7th century to the current year of 2014, Islam has been and is a religion of violence, murder, rape, oppression, conquest, intolerance, deception, and destruction. There is so much evidence of this that a 'post' is nowhere close to sufficient as a medium to carry this knowledge. Because there are mountains of material evidence that can be brought to bear. I believe the confusion occurs when we hear the cliché that it is just a tiny fringe group of extremists that make Islam look bad. This is the great lie that is allowing Islam to flourish. As I said I don't have near enough space for all the proofs, but ask yourself this question; how often do you see this question debated with the subject being atheism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other belief system? There is a reason for that........ Want more on the vile filth of Islam? post me back.

[@franksanders9638]

Hamza ISIAM How did FOX news become my source? Do you deny that Muhammad married a 6 year old girl when he was 50? Do you consider that the behavior of "the perfect man"? Do you know the story of your "prophet" when Aisha showed him the woman who had been beaten so badly by her husband that "her skin is as green as her dress"? Would you like to be the one to share the response of Muhammad in your next post? Do you deny that the Islamic caliphate was built on wars of conquest against the infidel in accordance with the teachings of your "prophet"? Do you deny your religion has the death penalty for apostasy? How do you feel about all the lives lost due to the worldwide riots over cartoons? If you like I can send you some lovely links to Imam describes the proper beating of wives, Qur'an quotes that call for violence, or perhaps you'd like to tell me the penalty in the Islamic state of Iran for "acts of homosexuality? Pedal your disgusting filth elsewhere. Oh and by the way when I set up the links here don't bother telling me that western scholars cannot properly translate the Qur'an. I know it's just another lie the Qur'an tells you to use with infidels.

[@bigHamras]

the hate has being rooted. she was 9 when he had the first sexual relation with her but if you claim such a stupid old claim i heard 100 times before you should ask if she was ready,if she past the age of puberty,if marrying a girl younger than you was something strange in the past read the history many kings and queens married at a very early age,why his enemies at that time who insulted him with all kinds of words but none of them say kids raper or something similar ? if you have a some knowledge on science people living in a sunny place like desert get on puberty in a very early age and Qurach and medina are in desert (science says not quran not me.) plus the fact that humans are different we dont have the same shape or the same body or the same mentality so dont judge ppl by their age judge them by their character and brain. I would like to answer all your questions and believe me i can but unfortunately you are not the only one who claim such a cheap claims and miss-quote the Quran. if i start explaining every point you brought we will go in endless conversation and pointless (from my expirience with haters of islam ) so i would rather suggest that you stop on the hate and with an open mind study islam and the "sira nabawia" life story of islam and muhammed(pbu) from the right source and make sure its not against or with the islam

[@bigHamras]

2st comment bullshit talk about islam like excepted ... where are evidence at i dont know i prefer we meet at the judgement day whatever you believe in it or not its happening inevitably. peace im done with the stones

[@franksanders9638]

Hamza ISIAM Didn't bother with any of the links? of course not. Don't care to answer any question about Islam I asked? what a shock. didn't bother denying a single accusation? no, of course not. It registered with you that I am someone you cannot fool with your lies about Islam. What is that word?? the one for lying about Islam to infidels? Oh and what is the word for the special tax that non-Muslim's must pay?

[@madz5281]

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[@zeitgeist6525]

Yes's: 286 No's: 168

[@kingramenxiv9850]

Thank you

[@cyberanon2463]

It was expected after Mehdi's speech

[@echoe4806]

@@cyberanon2463 Mehdi’s speech cannot save the women that are beaten and oppressed in Islam, the people that live in poverty and extreme poverty, the apostate and gays that stoned to death etc.

[@cyberanon2463]

@@echoe4806 Except islam is not the one to blame. The Qur'an forbids you from killing someone just because they are different gender or they have a different sexuality. Obviously it is not allowed being gay but allah will do the right thing when the time comes. There is literally a chapter in the Quran dedicated to talk greatly about women

[@echoe4806]

@@cyberanon2463 That is the problem with the Quran.It says one positive thing and 3 pages later the opposite letting everything go by interpretation… Muslim Ottoman Empire conquered and enslaved my ancestors in South Eastern Europe. They also killed 1 mill Armenians in 1915.

[@marcelvidale]

Read the Quran and Sunna and one will see that Islam is anything but peaceful. At its core it is against all who reject it.

[@nisaybliss855]

***** because it's the word of God.

[@marcelvidale]

There is no such thing as "The word of god" only the word of "men". God cannot write books. Gods are human concepts/ideas - that's it, and like all bad ideas they will have their day.

[@nisaybliss855]

***** people have been believing in God since time immemorial. İf it was an idea,or a bad idea as you put it, it would have died by now. Even you , obliviously acknowledged His All mighty existence with what you just wrote above and i quote you,''God cannot write books''. Just remember you are going to stay in the grave more than you lived on earth. And you'll live eternally when you wake up again. Beware of hell fire where people will never die nor live in it. We are certainly from Allah and to him we shall return. My friend ,My brother in humanity, as we are all sons of Adam, even from an economical standpoint, it is better to invest yourself in islam for a couple of years of your worldly life for the hearafter than live as you desire in this world at the cost of the here after which is as long as eternity. I in vite you to islam :)

[@marcelvidale]

True humans have long believed in gods. All were invented. Thor, Amon Ra, Zeus, El, Tlaloc + many thousands of Earth, Rain Fire gods etc. As for the grave, ask yourself before you were born was it any amount of time? did you suffer? NO. When we die we return to this same eternal state. Eternity has nothing to do with time. It is outside to time.Hell, like heaven, is another human concept usually used to install fear. There is not literal place called hell. You can test this by looking for it on google maps. You know there is no Allah. Allah can literally do nothing. Test this by asking this most merciful and passionate god to stop others killing in his name. Surely the greatest insult! Or to heal the sick. It won't literally happen since Allah is no more than a made up ideal like all of mankind gods. I do actually study the Quran / Bible and other religious texts. I agree with you on one point. What we have in common is our humanity. Live now - we are NO TIME dead. As-salamu alaykum

[@nisaybliss855]

***** the way you study is different, there is where the problem arises. Allah leaves murderers to live for reasons incomprehensible to humans, but I can tell you some, Among his 99 names is the forbearer, so He will wait. Number two is that He waits for them to repent. If He were to destroy people immediately after the commit a sin, there would be no one left on earth. That why, among his 99 names is ''The most Merciful''. He makes people sick so that he tests the people who have the financial power to help heal the sick . The way i studied Islam and the way you studied it is way different. We studied the rationales behind every single verse and found its flawless wisdom. That I think is where your problems arise. By the way, I couldn't help but notice you contradicting yourself again. And I quote you, '' You know there is no Allah. Allah can literally do nothing''. The first sentence disprove His existence, the second one approves it but states his incapability.

[@therobotFrom94]

It's strange hearing a guy speaking about Islam when he co-wrote one of my chemistry textbooks

[@ghostpubgmobile7745]

And Muslims also happened to have started the modern chemistry😂

[@foxtrot7506]

Love his book, Physical Chemistry by Peter Atkins. I owe my B.Tech degree to him.

[@rafiulalam2390]

And unemployment too?

[@americannomadnews5370]

I shall put it on my list of books to read however I must submit that he owes a debt like your to him to the golden age of Islam. thank you for informing us of Mr. Atkins book.

[@VoidShell123]

@@rafiulalam2390 I m a Muslim too But don't go on insulting someone . Then it wouldn't make any difference of having a debate of Islam as a religion of peace when we not so good Muslims go on insulting others.

[@zerksez9963]

Yea that's the point. He should stay at chemistry. I doubt if anyone can defeat him there. But this is not his stage and he didn't defend brilliantly

[@neoahmadfebramsyah4682]

Why do they bring professor of chemistry to a debate about religion? Interesting choice

[@tmma86]

I think the fact that one side was happy to take questions, and confident in their answers, whilst the other refused blankly and appeared frightened to have people point out their blatant errors shows the side that is in the right!

[@marcusryden6732]

There is literally no correlation between these facts.

[@sheikhjahedulabedin1642]

If there were many god the earth were destroyed many ago. There are many reigion but only islam talk for peace.

[@101prashant]

@@sheikhjahedulabedin1642 and does absolutely opposite of it🤣

[@DutchmanAmsterdam]

Nonsense, he was just eloquently making his point and disrupting him would have muddied the argumentation like muslims and muslim-apologists always like to do, because they have no valid arguments at all.

[@the_dragon_gaming4906]

@@101prashant where does it go against it?

[@63Hash]

I'd like to see you debate "Christianity is (is not) a peaceful religion"

[@hamidrana085]

Exactly. And to honest, I'd love to participate in it...!

[@deVeresd.Kfz.1515]

Don't you live in a Christian majority country?

[@deVeresd.Kfz.1515]

@@larknoone565 Yes, Christianity 2.0 is the Church of England which is filled with neocons and liberals like Boris Johnson that looks towards secular humanism. Only the original version that the Apostles lived by, which conservative Evangelicals have adopted works. So no to pornography, sex culture, and Marxism. We need to bring back our old British culture and maintain it, not have liberals start porn industries to destroy it and split families apart.

[@deVeresd.Kfz.1515]

@@larknoone565 It's not, you just never read the Quran or the Bible, that's your personal opinion to favour your worldview. You're just assuming, and I could say the same about secular humanism that western non-theists live in, they're rather not good at living by it because if they lived by it radically, they'll be more like Joseph Stalin. If you want sex, leave the country and go wherever. Many Gen-Z chaps are waking up to take back our European nations. The UK, mainland Europe, and the United States are European and the cultures are European. Our Western laws weren't written for Wahhabis, Salafis, and atheists anyroad. They were written for Calvinists, Roman Catholics, and Orthodox Christians.

[@wRolo]

haha exactly

[@depped3655]

what did the audience member say at 3:48 to make everyone laugh?

[@Unicorns]

"Draw me a picture of Muhammad"

[@ani589]

@@Unicorns underrated comment

[@Nigtarr99]

@@Unicorns draw me a picture of donald trump.

[@johnphelan7403]

It was insightful that while those defending Islam as a religion of peace tended to speak longer & without interruption - those opposing them were continually interrupted by these peaceful & patient defenders of Islam.

[@aqdasazadshahab8255]

Perhaps you need to see all the debates again to realise what "peace" they are talking about. Anyways furthermore it's a sign of peace to argue it out with words and not with actions :)

[@betr5236]

Bruv, the " Mehdi Hasan | Islam Is A Peaceful Religion | Oxford Union " had many interruptions. What are you talking about?

[@samkev5246]

It's Oxford.. that's allowable... They had to be corrected with the misinformation they were spreading, in Oxford misinformation cannot go unchallenged and blend into academia.

[@halladba101]

@@betr5236 yeah exactly bro, like what are they trying to imply???

[@zorbathebuddha369]

*If you read Qur'an you are a Muslim but If you understand Qur'an you become Ex-muslim*

[@ultraslayer9255]

What kind of goofy shit are you on about 😂 I know you ain’t understand the Quran yourself

[@GoingToAFuneral]

Coming from someone who can’t even understand a 5th grade science book 🤣

[@whatawonderfulworld3644]

@@GoingToAFuneral kekw trueee

[@MohammedAli-pr7hw]

Ah yes, the Arabs, who read it in their native language, taught it in their native language and UNDERSTOOD it in their native language, are all becoming ex Muslims. Scholars who study the meaning are becoming ex Muslim too! Makes sense now….

[@sultannoor786]

Lanat tm pr

[@silverbirdinfocomm2157]

Hahaha, the reason why some people think that the proposition keep on interrupting is because the main points of the proposition are correct and the opposition cannot POI them while the opposition can't answer back the POI that the proposition team gives.

[@McGeezy181]

For anyone who has experience with the Oxford debates, do the opposition debate for the sake of the debate itself? Specifically, is Peter Atkins arguing for the side claiming Islam is not peaceful because the debate needs some one to debate for that side or is it what he truly believes?

[@notreallydavid]

Hi. Atkins would never adopt a point of view merely to make up the numbers in a debate. He loathes religion, and has often written and spoken about Christianity in remarkably hostile terms as well.. Best regards

[@hinduhillbilly]

I've noticed that only those arguing FOR the proposition allowed any questions or points by the other side.

[@ahmadusman4775]

Both sides were allowed questions as expressed in the first opposition debate. The fact that one side did not care to ask questions says more about their lack refutations than any bias.

[@jakaroo94]

It's a shame this video has so many dislikes. Peter Atkins marshals his argument well and without evident bigotry or diversion from facts.

[@aikonawihs]

Ishmael may have come from Abram but that is where it ends. Mohammad was not in the line of Issac Jacob or Jesus. He inserted himself into the line calling himself in essence a Jew. Both Jews and Christians totally reject all the teachings of Islam.

[@lilwayne19]

if you look at the old testament my friend its actually quite similar to the quran, and abraham preceded the times of the jewish and christian religion. everyone follows one god which is what islam is about. and Muhammed did not insert himself anywhere PHUH, he is the final prophet, and im sure we could say the same about the church "inserting" saints for you to worship AFTER your religious text was sent you from the lord. dont be hatin homie just do some research.

[@lilwayne19]

i dont think so. stop drinking that haterade loser. lol alberto stroller youre probably racists too go make some friends in real life

[@lilwayne19]

no no no youre done. just a hateful lonely old man with nothing better to do then hate-monger. live your life get out there and be the best you can be im sure you have loads of potential

[@lilwayne19]

sure you are sir sure you are. Aren't you a little old to be saying dude sir dont fool all these people here trying to sound young. you wont fool me!

[@lilwayne19]

relax old man cool your jets before you break your hip

[@SverigeMuslimer]

The Quran says in sura 25:63: ( The worshippers of the All-Merciful are they who tread gently upon the earth, and when the ignorant address them, they reply, “Peace!” )

[@yousefissa9135]

@Baked Beans big genocide part in Qur'an? Can you mention it? I have never heard about one verse of the Qur'an that has the word genocide in it.

[@yousefissa9135]

@Baked Beans But if you're talking about the actions of certain Muslim civilizations in the past, first of all i disagree and i don't believe that any Muslim civilizations ever committed genocide and second of all, let me remind you of the Crusaders that committed genocide publicly in Jerusalem 1099 CE

[@westsideslasha]

@@yousefissa9135 Quran 8:12 I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve so strike upon their necks and strike every fingertip Quran 9:5 Slay the infidels wherever you find them. Lay siege to them, take them captive Quran 9:29 Fight the Jews and Christians till they pay you the poll tax and they feel subdued Quran 9:33 Islam has been made to prevail over any religion Quran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home, an evil fate. I could go on

[@the_dragon_gaming4906]

@@westsideslasha in 9:73 this is a reference what to do in war. Islam dosent claim to be a pacifist religion but that doesn’t mean we go attack others. Once we are in war or someone attacks us we will fight to defend ourselves. I suggest before u go and showing verses go read the whole Quran then learn its meaning. Because in a chapter which is mentioning war it will say stuff like that.

[@sawcrab2249]

​@@westsideslasha Dude that's like saying "OMG they killed people during war times! How horrible!" These are, as @Dragon_Gaming said, meant for war times. If someone is attacking you you fight back so you don't, uhh, die? Quran 8:12, in its entirety, is "[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip." We wish to be strong in the face of opposition. Words of encouragement are not signs of a war-mongering religion. "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." I simply can't believe that you left that last part out. IF THEY REPENT YOU FORGIVE. Such a horrible religion, how could they forgive and release prisoners that apologize? A non-peaceful religion would not have 4 whole months where you are not allowed to be non-peaceful (sacred months). Don' just point at things you have to look at context as well. "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled." Fight against the non-Muslims in war times, how unexpected. Of course YOU SHOULD FIGHT YOUR ENEMY. If they attack you attack back. "It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it." What kind of religion says it ISN'T the true religion. Christians believe that they are "the" faith. Jews believe THEY are "the" faith. Hindus believe they are "the" faith. Muslims believe they are "the" faith. What's non-peaceful about that? " O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination." Be harsh upon your enemies in wartime, we are not pacifist, we use violence is certain contexts like Mehdi Hasan said. Please, show me more.

[@ValChronification]

The thing is the longer people put off this problem and delude themselves that it does not exist, the more likely those kinds of solutions will be required. EVENTUALLY something will have to be done. It's kind of exciting I guess, but then I don't live in Tower Hamlets. Must be a nightmare mate. Worst area near me is Hounslow (20mins drive away). The demo next month will be the most 'frontline' I'll have been in this thing, bit scary but I'm way too invested now not to attend.

[@paulmasgalajian3567]

To Imagine Better Things : I loved reading your monologue, which is factually based. I think some may have thought that I was an apologist for Islam. I am not. As an ethnic Armenian, I assure the readers that I had not forgotten about the Armenian Genocide of 1915-1917. But, facts are facts. It had NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM any more that the genocidal policies of the English toward the Irish in the nineteenth century had to do with Christianity. The Armenian genocide was squarely the (Part 1)

[@benitocarmelo4296]

where is part 2 bro

[@JacobMrox]

I left my country because of Islam for being Gay and Apostate even though it doesn't have declared punishments in the law, but the constitution says Sharia law is source of jurisdiction and as such I'm silenced and discriminated upon. ISLAM is a BAD RELIGION. It has clear declared punishments for apostasy and homosexuality and blasphemy and clear Jihad verses and hadiths and the Biography of Mohammed and interpretations of Quran support this.

[@georgesingh2737]

but the turks wanted to enfore islamic doctrine on non-beleivers and your forgetting the british were renowned at easily avoiding famines but letting them happen

[@vehement-critic_q8957]

I'm a Muslim Sunni & I condemn the Genocide of Armenians or of any other ethnicity. I thank you for your impartial & honest stances towards Islam. Peace from Kuwait, we've a large Armenian community here, actually, the son of the Armenian Ambassador is our friend & he's a frequent attendant to our diywania & our different religions have never been a misunderstanding between us.

[@DongDoesntExpand]

The Armenian genocide was not based on religious beliefs, it was a conspiracy by the famously incompetent Enver Pasha to blame the Armenians for his poor military skills. There was a whole propaganda campaign in the Ottoman Empire, accusing the Armenians of conspiring with the Russians to sabotage the Ottomans. That was obviously not true and I would not expect anything else from current and future politicians who follow a Nationalist ideology.

[@123dagoldman]

What was the heckle at 4:35?

[@Transc3nder]

Hi BeHealthy, Kudos for your level-headed response, and I'm sorry that someone has used the underhand youtube tactic of flagging your response as spam. Will drop you a message later as would very much like to go through some of the more disturbing & seemingly, deliberately divisive stuff I've read in my copy.

[@cyberanon2463]

The stage presentation is on point lol.

[@ahmadsaba9795]

Would u mind quoting the complete verse?And yes dont forget not to mistranslate it.

[@duplooy6704]

Yoh... this guy is brave...🤯

[@xr55]

I didn't understand anything he said. 🙄

[@siim605]

That says a lot about you, Emmanuel.

[@siim605]

@Keo Ramey No mercy, huh? 🤣

[@Nigtarr99]

Yea the guy is like i-i- a-a-a m an islamphobic.

[@siim605]

@@Nigtarr99 That's not a real word, sorry.

[@Nigtarr99]

@@siim605 ahh i see an islamphobic sorry i got better things to do.

[@simbasara88]

Even though its easy to pick up the Quran and read it like a Jane Austen novel, theres a lot more involved with reading it. People have dedicated their entire lives to analyse and understand the Quran, and they have said that you need to understand 4 key elements, 1) Arabic grammar, 2) Pre Islamic Arabia, 3) historical context and 4) Islamic jurisprudence. Lezlie Hazleton (a Jewish lady) describes her experience as 'a tourist in the Quran' i would recommend her video on TED talks to understand

[@lennydale92]

So it's not a book "for all time and all people ".?

[@diabloakland]

@@lennydale92 precisely. The Quran is something i have studied my entire life. My parents decided to forgo formal education and enroll me into Islamic school from age 3. I have left Islam. I’ve spent decades studying this from teachers, everything I’ve learned culminated into me leaving the stupid religion i was born in. I studied Arabic for years too. Islam is horrible.

[@VixieShadowX_sngbrd_X]

@@lennydale92 it actually is but a lot of people ignore the faults in their understanding when reading the quran. once u understand its good to go. but you cnat sya it is if u dont undertsand

[@spregged7231]

@@VixieShadowX_sngbrd_Xconsidering it took forever to get English copies made of it, I’d say it very much isn’t a book for all people.

[@charliebrown5716]

What did that person in the audience say around 4:18?

[@mrimbord]

I'm not sure but I think she asked if he could speak louder

[@thorhammer1296]

The Hindu text Sushruta Samhita, written in 600 BCE, is filled with detailed seminal descriptions of surgical procedures and instruments that are conceptually used today.

[@septimusachtzehner3764]

"I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to death to protect your right to say it.” Voltaire 18th century. “I disagree with what you say, and I will fight to YOUR death for your duty NOT to say it.” Islamist 21st century.

[@englishwithabdo1040]

very weak defence!!!!!!!

[@cyberanon2463]

No can stand against Mehdi. He is a man who knows what he is saying.

[@kiranthomas5944]

Are you sure it is only a minority that is radical?

[@VirtualStoredzd]

@@kiranthomas5944 math are pretty easy : devide the nmbr of possible radicals by the nmbr of all muslims (2 Billion in 2023) the nbr of radicals won't reach 20 thousands. that's 0.001% of the population and that's far less then the nbr of muslims who are suffering in China and Myanmar. If we suppose that there are 20 million Muslims between China and Mianmar then : nbr of radicals / nbr of muslims who suffers = 0.1%

[@jeffrose8175]

The law of abrogation means the Mohamed's early peaceful verses are superseded by the later warlike and violent ones, this was not mentioned! Why?

[@mohammedghander9243]

Islam is a relgion of good values and peace; the main concept of Islam based on :mercy, peace and forgiveness. As regarding, that there are 100 verses or references In Quran Indicate that Islam is not peaceful religion, that really misconception and totally untrue T have read Quran multiple time with analytical way throughout ten years, I have found out that any mention of using violence was only as a defense "a defensive war " when aggression against Muslims happened at the time of the messenger Mohammad, or else Islam was obliterated at its cradle. As for the narrative saying :"Mohammed commanded to fight people till they Believe", that saying Contradict with Quran verses so that keep to Quran verses and not be confused by the narrative of the extremists who take the Quranic Verses out of the context distorting the message of the peaceful and merciful religion ;Islam. God says : O Mohammad, l have sent you only to be mercy for mankind and other creatures " verse no. 21, Chapter no. 107. Verse no 256 chapter no. 1- says : " No coercion in accepting religion, it is" now the truth (Islam) has been distinguished from false relgion ". Chapter 109 verse no. 6 Say (Muhammad) to disbelievers : " you have your religion and I have my religion " As for women right according to Islam religion they more powerful in Islam than other religions and they accept Islam much more than men, The first person accepted Islam was "his boss" a powerful woman ( Muhammad 's wife ;khadiga) As for chopping hand, flogging This punishment was made difficult To put in force and no longer relevant according to Islam concept. As for stoning, stoning not mentioned in Quran. Quran revealed in Arabic language The words of Quran in itself miracle ;unmatched and unrivaled so that its difficult to translate ; each one word packed with meanings Please read it carefully, more and more!!!!!!!!! Muhammad ghander 27th of May 2021

[@hazuan338383890522]

this is debate not reading lmao

[@cyberanon2463]

Ikr

[@nigina5627]

It is really hard to go head to head because they have little time each. They are reading their notes and speeches and are trying to to get their points and information accros as quickly as possible. That is probably why they do not accept questions. I all though do understand your statement, it would be more for filling if they had more time.

[@cyberanon2463]

@@nigina5627 but mehdi was speaking way more with barely reading any and he still answered questions

[@astudent8475]

@@cyberanon2463 He is great

[@cyberanon2463]

@@astudent8475 mehdi? Yeah he is

[@MzLoathsome]

I am curious as to where I can be informed of the final result of the vote conducted in his session. If anyone knows the result and would be kind enough to let me know, I would appreciate it.

[@larz28]

The motion was carried with a Yes vote of 286 against a No vote of 168.

[@MzLoathsome]

larz28 Why thank you, I shall trust your word :)

[@larz28]

Trust no one ;) counterjihadreport.com/2013/07/22/the-oxford-union-debate-on-whether-islam-is-a-peaceful-religion/

[@byrdale]

Thanks! Iarz. I also pondered this result. Good to see the good people at the Oxford union came to the only logical conclusion and rightly so.

[@larz28]

You're most welcome. (Wait, was someone just civilized on a KZbin comment ?)Yeah, pretty interesting outcome.

[@shrmzb]

"I can't" LOL!? Come on, dude. take questions if you are confident enough!

[@stargun7235]

Ikr

[@mohamedafzal9980]

@@black_jack_meghav Mehdi Hasan did take. Check at 9:30 of his debate.

[@ssksm8919]

Black Jack 21 yes he did ! He just didn’t take ann marie’s interruption because she didn’t take his either

[@Aysevem]

@@ssksm8919 he did later take it

[@ESO529]

As I told you before: Keep insulting me if this seems to make your day and keeps you happy! If only you would have a point - you don't even have a "coma" - LOL! I'm not bothered by people of your habitus. Have a great day ...

[@yuppa396]

James. Can I copy that so i can use that for a reply to all of them who try that? thats a brilliant observation.

[@fooddrinkfusion1013]

Peter Singer (one of the world’s leading atheist ideologues) shows that determining sex to be licit on the basis of “consent” also justifies bestiality. Around the year 2000, Singer was criticized for his positive review of a book by Midas Dekkers called Dearest Pet. Dekkers is a popular Dutch intellectual public figure who was initially a biologist. He is known for his particular affection towards animals. Singer was accused of advocating for bestiality as well, because he said that the issue with sex with animals is not so much related to morality but rather cruelty. He argues that if there is no cruelty, a person can take part in “mutually satisfying activities” with their animal.

[@fatimaahmad8702]

I am very happy to see that there are some people that can discuss a issue without saying rude words. You are among-st the few people that take a issue seriously and don't start saying mean things when saying something. People are always rude when I talk about Islam but I always try to never say rude since it is against Islam. Be they be Muslims or non-Muslims are try to be nice since its always good in any case. I hope all the best in the future and have a blessed day.

[@adcrane]

It's one step. I'd be happier if they spoke true words. The cheery picked, sanatised version of the Koran they refer to has no basis in truth. The Koran is fundamentally violent. It calls for violence. Demands it.

[@jalinialias]

thank you Bernard, I think all of us experience this kind of thing from time to time, usually born out of prejudice which could not exist without ignorance. there are some muslims like that too -- we're all human after all. I believe they are still a minority, thank God, though admittedly, rather hard to ignore.

[@McMurchie]

What did the person shout out in the crowd that he replied 'no I can't to'? about 4.10 in

[@mrpinkroo]

I didn't know you called me brother before. Wow, 4 languages, impressive. So what's the best example for your holy book to be the literal word of god?

[@jimothy1994]

The fact that it has scientific facts that has been recently discovered by science while it was mentioned in the book before science even existed and it would have been impossible for someone to know based on the level of education and information ppl had during that time?

[@nourmtr313]

George Bernard Shaw:I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. I have studied him - the wonderful man and far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness.

[@sudiptabhattacharjee2052]

You're right. That's why his followers' countries are at peace and they are emigrating to non-Muslim lands like cows.

[@LeftIsFascist]

The young adults where highly disrespectful.

[@Ahmadabdal_]

Why? Because they wanted to ask questions and point of information when he was spouting BS?

[@SanjaySahu-vs9kg]

Can you pls explain me guyz ,,wht is the logic behind Hizab and White Cap?

[@UndergroundRap4eva]

Where are the results for this debate?

[@englishwithabdo1040]

you're wrong my friend!!

[@jazbeasley8249]

Quick English how?

[@MohammadAliKhalil]

Jaz Beasley 🥱 sucks not to be enlightened. Just have an open heart

[@ericsonofjohn9384]

People actually think Medhi won this debate? He spent 13 minutes avoiding talking about muhammed's example.

[@personifiedape5347]

It’s a KZbin echo chamber. It’s very well saying western Muslims are peaceful and not oppressed but it’s very different in Saudi Arabia that still lives with medieval values.

[@ericsonofjohn9384]

@@personifiedape5347 Islam teaches medieval values though, that’s the problem. To be a moderate muslim you have to ignore your prophets example, so moderate muslims dont prove anything

[@ericsonofjohn9384]

​@@mr_ander_3989 You obviously didn't dissect islam very well. (1) You refer to quran 5:32 to prove islam does not support terrorism? The verse is: "That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life-unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land-it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity". - Muslims love quoting this verse without understanding it. It DOES NOT APPLY TO MUSLIMS. It applies to the 'CHILDREN OF ISRAEL'. The children of Israel are NOT MUSLIMS, they are jews. If you had bothered to read the very next verse (5:33), you'd have seen this peaceful gem: "Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land." One might ask: 'What does spreading mischief mean?' Well thankfully, the Quran elaborates, in surah 4:89 it says: "They wish you would disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so you may all be alike. So do not take them as allies unless they emigrate in the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them" - so the quran orders the execution of apostates who leave islam and try to convince others to do the same. (2) You same some rubbish about chopping off hands depending on the society we live in. The Quran is supposed to be perfect is it not? So don't tell me following the quran depends on what society you live in. The society you live in does not change the inherent immorality of the quran's commandments.

[@mythical524]

O disbelievers, (1) I do not worship what you worship. (2) Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. (3) Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. (4) Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. (5) For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." (6)

[@neutral5566]

@@ericsonofjohn9384 no absolutely NOT that's not the case

[@HaiderAli-]

What were the results - can't find them?

[@sanjanafarahchowdhury3799]

Its written in the description box, MOTION: THIS HOUSE BELIEVES ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE. Yes's: 286 No's: 168 Filmed on 28/02/2013

[@aaronwalderslade]

For God's sake, stop posting these bits and pieces. *A debate is a debate* It's a whole thing, to be taken hook line and sinker. Showing just a part of it is like playing one movement of a symphony. I expect more from Oxford.

[@shraeg]

I fail to understand why it's so hard to answer some questions from the audience.

[@Ahmadabdal_]

Because all of his arguments can be dismantled with 3 questions

[@yuvanraj2271]

@@Ahmadabdal_ Nah, because he don't have time and don't want to deviate from his topic which he prepared.

[@mathematicalmuscleman]

I have 100% respect for this amazing Oxford University Physical Chemist. I own and have used his Physical Chemistry textbooks to the nth degree and will utilise them for life! Well done Professor Atkins. 100% agree with his opinions on that Islam.

[@optionsupdate]

@4:30 what did the audience member ask?

[@optionsupdate]

I thought that was what was said. he did not commit himself, very dignified I thought

[@EastAsianToday]

My impression from Southeast Asia is that most Muslim immigrants in Europe had sought refuge from what they said were dangers back home. (Native Europeans can let me know.) But instead of being grateful recipients of a far-better civilization’s largesse, they presumed to instruct their hosts that the Islam that clearly produced the stagnation and barbarity they fled is a superior way of life, even God’s way. Their ingratitude itself is cause enough to return them to one or another Muslim country

[@babs18711]

algorithms allowed this, oh and research algorithms

[@ME-lf7by]

This is not an opinion, it's a fact

[@Hakseng127]

Little knowledge is dangerous .... Islam is complete code of life , we must penetrate ourselves in depth of Islam...

[@m.dthedemon4076]

Very true, brother. That is why people need to have experience & study something with somebody who is part of that thing, like Islam. Lack of knowledge creates concern, concern creates fear, fear creates ignorance, & thus a new & unnecessary argument is born. But indeed, no matter what people say whether they like it or not Islam is a true & peaceful religion & Allah is & will always be the greatest. Ameen. 😌🌿

[@paulgrant666]

it's a cult. a dead end of thought.

[@nthawi]

its interesting how the panel opposed to "Islam" is totally opposed to answering any question/challenge given

[@Transc3nder]

I think it's worth pointing out to everyone commenting on this video that not only is there a peaceful sect of islam, and that not all muslims live to the letter of the koran, but it's VERY important not to become a victim of your own confirmation bias. Always keep an open mind and use the evidence, not your emotions, to come to a decision on things. :) Also, flagging people as spam because you don't agree with their views is pathetic. You can't have a debate with one voice.

[@mmins274]

Well done, sir. If you need to ask the question, then you already know the answer.

[@firesteel1]

It is unacceptable that people like this must question whether or not to make reasoned criticisms of Islam for the fear of violent repercussions in what is meant to be a free Democracy. Free speech without fear of aggressive responses, including death threats such as past fatwas, must be paramount over religion. And this is not in line with Islamic preaching.

[@EastAsianToday]

When today’s jihādis punctuate their deeds with “Allāhu Akbar,” are they just advertising the Matt Groening character? And when Al Qaeda’s Mustafa Abul-Yazeed said “If the Americans agree to our conditions....we would offer a long truce, say ten years. Then we will ask them to become Muslims and if they refuse we will impose the jizya,” was that just cultural? How about Ayatollah Khomeini when he said “Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword”?

[@sheikibrahim5595]

" ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF SAFETY " -QURAN :- 9 : 6

[@paulgrant666]

for who?

[@Beauweir]

One side had young, energetic speakers and the other had dusty old people. But realistically, the presence of muslims in the audience and their greater proportion in the crowd, led to people feeling unable to applaud as enthusiastically as they would like to the opposition's points, I believe.

[@amaniyausman8056]

and yes the opposition side not taking even one question from the audience shows how incredible these opposition points were!

[@aceroger2568]

who started the iran-iraq war? who started the invasion of persians during the Sassanid dynasty? who started the India-pakistan riots and wars? who invaded and killed the zoroastrian persians and forced converted them to islam? didn't the OTTOMAN empire sided with the german and austrian empire in World war 1? didn't the ottoman empire massacred the armenians? who started the conflict in Syria?

[@noelgundul]

i can't ... how can i get use to it when i know it's a lie

[@NateDean8D]

I like the way you think :D it's seriously refreshing, especially after reading so much hate. if more people were so accepting and understanding it would be so much easier to get along. I respect everyone's beliefs, but what i find in most atheists (obviously not all) is that they think they're bigger than everyone; theyre smug about believing in no god so they go around and demean everyone. But then again i have nonbeliever friends who are the best so you cant categorise these things xD

[@NoName-sb9tp]

Yeah, I agree with you. You can see the different, then peacefully agree there is the different, and coexist. I don’t understand why it must be us vs them, or we are better than them. Hate doesn’t change anything, it would cause everything to be worst. And yeah, some atheists are a bit of a-hole about the thing they believe, but most atheists from my point of view rather keep it to themselves. There are bad atheists can’t shut up about there is no god, just as there are bad believers of faith that find any chance to convert people. And I find that’s bad.

[@OrdinaryDoughnuttz]

Whose way of thinking do you mean?

[@templarroystonofvasey]

I guess you support blasphemy law and an end to secularism in the UK then?

[@Aafi5haH]

@@OrdinaryDoughnuttz im sure the man in the video.

[@StopFear]

lol, I love how the speaker says a blunt "no" multiple times to the rude guy who says "point of information" and interrupts.

[@lilwayne19]

he says no because he's afraid of being proved wrong. if he really wanted an open honest debate he would entertain those "interruptions" if he was confident in his information

[@nodinitiative]

Abdalla Ramadan nope, because if he answered their "interruptions" then his time to speak would be spent on answering their interruptions instead of explaining his case.

[@Emitts_Official]

point of information is a rude interfer? lol it's a valid action approved by Oxford then the college is Rude?

[@Ahmadabdal_]

@@nodinitiative if the other side answered most if not all questions and still took less time than him. He was afraid of being proven wrong.

[@mutsuzawa]

What was the vote?

[@mrpinkroo]

Prior to 1930 and Edwin Hubbles discovery the interpretations were this - "...With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of space.... " (Surah 51:47). Yusufali "...We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).... " (Surah 51:47). Pickthal "...And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.... " (Surah 51:47). Shakir CONTD -

[@darkman8939]

4:28 LMAO he acts like he was saying something very interesting.

[@darkman8939]

@shaka mata _ African pride i know that's heavy for you.

[@891Jasmine]

You see what you want to see. In our times, it is easier to be fooled by the kind of information that comes to us. It's easier for someone to believe that sikhism is a peaceful religion, because of the acts of the believers. But I am sure that there could be loopholes and some faulty believers too. History speaks for itself. When it comes to religion, all of them are the same: they talk about the same principles and the way of life. Almost all start with the most basic axiom: God is one. So it boils down to how people interpret the teachings and more than that, how well are those interpretations broadcasted.

[@donovanvaz3289]

Your reference to Sikhism is amply amplified by the recent news of the killing of a Sikh in Canada. He was an extremist who believed in Khalistan - a land for the Sikhs. You look back at the history of the calls for Khalistan and you'll see many atrocities carried out in the name of establishing Khalistan. BUT I do not say therefore all Sikhs are aggressors. The same as I do not say all Islam followers are aggressors either.

[@891Jasmine]

@@donovanvaz3289 ummmm! While I do agree with you on the last bit, I posted my comment three years ago and so it is not “amplified” by the recent news!

[@Cumbriahandyman]

8.36 over speakers left shoulder, in the wooden panel, is that an image of Jesus or Mohamed?

[@riyazahmed5718]

How do I get the complete lecture of all the People????

[@AkidulIslameditor]

Playlist *Islam peace debate*

[@ezattackz1071]

Let's put ISLAM on trial! If every standard by which the West is judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, women's rights, sexuality, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be absolutely devastating...GUILTY ON ALL ACCOUNTS! Look at ISLAMIC history... Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture, language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral progress. ISLAM is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. ISLAM is convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and represses criticism. Let's debate if "islam is a religion of peace?" before MUSLIMS shut down the free flow of information because they can't win in the arena of COMMON SENSE!

[@francinelast]

Apples and Oranges.... You mustn't compare a religion (Islam), with a geographical area (the West). Compare religions, and in this, extreme religious belief and indoctrination, because very few people who practice Islam, commit crimes such as slavery, imperialism (where?), intolerance, women rights abuses, and warfare (well, Christianity and Judaism would easily win on the warfare front, simply because of their devastating weapons and the number of people they kill with them). Next: History.... Islam never gives up what it conquers? Do you have any knowledge of Christian territorial history at all? Wasn't America taken from the Native Americans by Christians and never given back? Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Israel????? All these countries are essentially Christian (or Jewish in the case of Israel), "have never given up what they conquered, be it religion, culture, language or life". Islam is convinced of its own perfection? Well of course, but then so is every other religion in the world. Do you mean, Muslims or the religion? If you mean Muslims, then you are wrong, because there are Muslims that question the doctrines, you just don't hear about them in the Western media.

[@ezattackz1071]

Francine Last Seriouisly? As a women, you are defending this madness? The same madness that clearly instructs muslim "men" on how to PUNISH and BEAT their wife(s)?? (Quran 4:34). The same religion that plainly says that husbands are “a degree above” wives? The same religion where their “holy” Hadith says that women are intellectually inferior, and that they comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants? Seriously?

[@ya0sef]

Ed Z give me one example where islam actually says that women are inferior? ... A man once came to Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and asked him "who is the person that should be dearest and closest to me?" Prophet Mohammed replied "Your Mother" , the man said "then who?" , Prophet Mohammed said "Your Mother" , the man said "and then who?" Prophet Mohammed said "Your Mother" the man said "Then who?" Prophet Mohammed finally said "Your Father"... this shows that Islam encourages people (Men or Women) to show their utmost respect to their Mothers who are women... another Hadith says "Heaven is under your Mother's feet" ... and many verses recite to the respect of Women, It'd take me months to post them all over here... The truth is that you are just "islamophobic" like the rest of the people over here.

[@francinelast]

The ancient scriptures of all the Abrahamic faiths (especially the Old Testament) are full of rape and abuse to women, not just the Quran. In many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife". Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives. 1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT) So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan. The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse." Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes. Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. 2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT) They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba - died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho. Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins. 3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery? 4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God. 5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB) If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. It is clear that God doesn't care about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property". 6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB) Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.' Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.] This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. And then he kills a child! 7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB) "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." Once again God approves of forcible rape. 8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB) They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB) 9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) 10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB) Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

[@ya0sef]

Ed Z HAHAHAHA NOTHING! there is absolutely NOTHING in the Quran that says the things you just mentioned above NOTHING at all, that is the most made up crap ive ever heard!! You are trying to teach me verses of my own Quran and Hadiths? telling me lies about my own religion? PATHETIC! you are just as stupid as the man speaking in the video above... I actually thought that you were someone I could argue with, but your IQ level is so low that I cant even believe it.... you actually made me laugh... kudos to you sir, you turned out to be the funniest guy i have met on youtube....

[@usmh]

What's up with the extreme amount of dislikes?

[@NorAbuFrieh]

Oh! You just reminded me to dislike.

[@jordanfirst1990111]

usmh Because we heard it unlike u. U just liked its title :P

[@bowser515]

Because it's easier to write off somebody questioning your beliefs, than to engage them constructively and consider their points.

[@roadtocrown5700]

Ucmh mostly Muslim watching this All non Muslims don’t know about this topic and think they r safe Until islam goes 51% in the country and sharia law is on implementation Then everyone will say How did that happen Google the below What is taquiyya and what islam uses taquiyya for They r very uncomfortable with that What Mahdi did is exactly taquiyya Be liberal until uk has more than 50percent Muslim Then run away quick They will butcher non muslim

[@jankymcjangles3817]

Muslims are angry and trying to force their religion on us as usual.

[@fooddrinkfusion1013]

In Bolivia, a Suez company (Aguas de Illimani) left 200,000 people without access to water and caused a revolt when it tried to charge between $335 and $445 to connect a private home to the water supply. Countless people were unable to afford this charge in a country whose yearly per capita GDP is $915. Unfortunately, the IMF and World Bank are playing a key role in pushing water privatization all over the world. Many countries have been required to open up their water supply to private companies as a condition for receiving IMF loans, and the World Bank has approved millions of dollars in loans for the privatization of water systems.

[@yuppa396]

I remember that troll you are replying to. Just add it to a post blocker program. It thinks that its smart because its a science teacher apparently. I reconozed the name,although i cant see his post because hes on my ban list.

[@ytb8361]

💔❤️ I wish you the best. No child understands it’s wrong unless their parents tell them. It’s absolutely not our fault we were horrifically manipulated by sexual abusers when we were kids who played being nice to manipulate us and groom us to allow them to abuse us. 💔 I wish you the best. I hope we all heal from sexual abuse of people abusing us and also abuse from people telling us we weren’t beaten by sexual abusers and therefore it’s okay and that it was good when it was horrible manipulation. They even tried to blame my ex husband. It’s horrible how much people abuse and reabuse and traumatize. Why does child sexual abuse cause so much mental anguish, mental illness that it can cause trauma induced psychosis? Why do some people say it’s only biology, jiggly bits and nothing important when survivors all say it caused them so much loss and pain? Do some people survive child sexual abuse without issues and are not affected? I was affected only when I talked about it to therapists, family, friends, acquaintances who told each other and told everyone they know and all bullied me🥺 and caused my divorce and trauma induced psychosis. My mom even laughed when I told her I was sexually abused and made me think I’m a slut and that my ex husband was similar to sexual abusers which also other people tried to make me think. Telling people about trauma and about problems and about insecurities and about strengths and about thinking patterns is the same as telling them the code to destroy you for a long time or forever and also the code to ruin your marriage and all academic and career and financial and social goals. How do courts make sure that the people who are accused committed those crimes ? I finally found good therapy, good support groups after so many years of retraumatization and people telling me I should be dead already and that I’m a slut and dirty for having been sexually abused by men and women and a high school classmate and also by massage therapists masseuses and that I should have told my ex husband and they told my ex husband that I’m a slut and that I’m a lesbian and to divorce me and they didn’t tell him I was abused as a child by my maternal uncles, cousins and a house worker and a little girl. Even my mom was putting her hand close to my little brother’s genitals and that scared me and I remember entering the room and seeing my mom touching my little brother when he was 1 years old and she was changing his diaper and she was touching his genitals and laughing and got scared when I entered and that really scared me and my mom used to say that my dad was taking pictures of me naked when I was a baby but maybe it was my mom who did it because my dad never said anything sexually abusive except when I divorced and my dad bullied me saying my ex husband didn’t like me and liked other races and laughed also before that when he saw a waiter checking me out and my dad laughed and looked at me making fun of me whereas before that my dad used to have normal behavior in terms of that but my mom corrupted my dad after more than 25 years of marriage. Also, my mom used to say all sorts of bad things about my dad in indirect ways and even say that my dad’s relative told my maternal grandmother to not leave my mom next to her dad when she was a child and scare me that my dad is bad when it was my mom and her family who are perverts and sexual abusers.

[@carlton2457]

Are u okay now?

[@Olas-GE]

My heart goes out to you. It's unfortunate that you've had to face such distressing experiences. It's hard to fathom the enormity of your ordeal and words fail to encompass the fear it must instill. On behalf of those who dismiss your experiences, I extend my apologies. I hope you find solace in your life. Your courage to voice your experiences speaks volumes about your bravery. I trust that our society hasn't deteriorated to a point where you'll live in perpetual fear. I wish you nothing but the best. ISLAM is EVIL Definetelly. I hope that society evolves, we'll realize this and not let misplaced fear cloud our judgments. I hope for kindness and understanding to prevail, both in your life and around the world. Remember, law are on your side. Remember, the laws are on your side. I hope that when society clarifies what Islam is, it won't be too late.

[@mrsymor]

does the side supporting the motion just call "point of information" whenever they hear something they don't like?

[@siim605]

Essentially they don't have anything of substance to offer, so they opt to try and disrupt or shut people up instead. Islam really isn't a side anyone can successfully argue for, ever.

[@jimothy1994]

because this guy had not much information of what he was saying. He was using the acts of ppl as a stand point. You cant use ppl's actions and use it as an argument to prove your point against a religion. Study about the religion first and mention what it states you think or believe is unethical or unacceptable . This guy clearly didnt want any points of information cos he was too busy reading something he's memorized and didnt want to get interrupted

[@mrpinkroo]

Ok, I stand corrected on verse 15:26. 39:6, if it refers to 3 membranes around the fetus (chorion, allantois, and amnion), this idea was taught by Galen the influential Greek physician before the Qur'an was written. Nice reinterpretation of 21:33, the sun and moon do not orbit planet earth.

[@EastAsianToday]

I don't recall the Nazis ever whining this way over being doubted and despised. But whining is an essential feature of jihād. At Islam’s foundation, Muhammad said the 2nd-best deed is “to participate in jihād (religious fighting) in Allah’s Cause” (Bukhari 1:2:25) and “When you are called by the Muslim ruler for jihād fighting, you should go forth immediately, responding to the call” (4:52:311). Infidels don’t need lessons in jihād nearly as much as Muslims need lessons in Islam (or in honesty).

[@kosiraziz4308]

Listen to this in full. Then definitely listen to Mehdi Hassan.

[@hareecionelson5875]

I've heard Medhi talk with Dawkins where he admits he believes in miracles: that Mohammed flew to heaven on a Pegasus.

[@cyberanon2463]

@@hareecionelson5875 pegasus? I think it was a winged horse

[@hareecionelson5875]

@@cyberanon2463 My mistake, Pegasus was a specific winged-horse, and is not the generic name

[@cyberanon2463]

@@hareecionelson5875 I don't understand how you can make a mistake like that

[@hareecionelson5875]

@@cyberanon2463 I'm obviously a winged-horse bigot: they all look the same. Pegasus is the most famous one, so to me, a wi ged horse is called a pegasus

[@yuppa396]

well whatever makes ya happy homey.^_^

[@EastAsianToday]

Muslims now stomp on Ishaq’s writing in proportion to their (growing) embarrassment over it against the backdrop of a more-civilized world. But Sufyan ibn 'Uyaynah (from Mecca, 725-815) is reported to have said “I studied with Ibn Ishaq...and not a single one of the Medinese accused him of anything or criticized him.” Ishaq, born in Medina, died in 761 or 767. How could his writing possibly have survived if his accounts had been fabricated? How could HE have survived there in Islam’s homeland?

[@EastAsianToday]

Will Durant wrote "The [centuries-long] Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history." Take a look, too, at 1992's Negation in India, by Koenraad Elst and K.S. Lal's The Legacy of Muslim Rule in India; Indian Muslims-Who Are They; and also The Growth of Muslim Population in India.