High-intensity interval training: benefits, risks, protocols, longevity impact (AMA 57 sneak peek)

[@geezerdude4873]

Peter: I am 78 and do Tabatas twice a week. Out of respect for my age, I do not go to all out, but as fast as I can finish the next bout without slowing down appreciably. Not very good shape right now -- I am not an exercise jock and never have been, but try to stay fit at least, although overweight (sigh). My own practice with them is to go fast but not absolutely as fast as I could each speed interval, as previously explained. At the end after a minute or two when I can check my heart rate, I should be at the top of Zone 2. I try to walk a bit over a mile or more every day it is not icy out, and when not muddy I have longer more challenging walks, or at least 2 of the flat walks. I have found walking on dirt helps when not muddy as it subtly flexes your lower leg and ankles from side to side, which is possible for me in the summers walking out the front door. I have also gotten into strength training MWF in a home gym for a little bit, but should probably go longer. Trying to recapture as much of my lost youth as is salvageable at this point, and working up.

[@vantarpon6849]

Dr. Seiler needs to be interviewed - multiple times. Of all the aerobic experts, he's by far the best communicator.

[@Gref75]

Inviting competition to their studio? Would be brave, but IMO unlikely. However, would watch that religiously.

[@vantarpon6849]

@@Gref75 Competition? Dr. Seiler is an academic researcher - Dr. Rhonda Patrick is a youtube/podcaster - and competitor - and she's been on multiple times.

[@SuperKettMan]

Seilers expertise is about performance, not longevity.

[@vantarpon6849]

@@SuperKettMan High aerobic capacity (performance) correlates w/ longevity.

[@SuperKettMan]

@vantarpon6849 I realize that, but Seiler doesn't have any expertise in longevity, and him coming on to talk about the finer points of training for performance is getting pretty far off topic. But Peter can decide that for himself.

[@anthonylaw5553]

It's really not that complicated folks! I minute warm-up followed by 30 seconds maximum effort, 90 second recovery.....repeat for between 15 and 40 minutes....JOB DONE!! 👍

[@svengali5415]

a 40 minute session of this protocol implies 20 x 30 second max effort bouts, which would be extremely gruelling

[@anthonylaw5553]

@@svengali5415 It is and that's why it works so well 👍

[@sparksdrinker5650]

Studies have shown longer bursts of max effort (up to 4 minutes) show more benefits than your cute little 30 second bursts

[@bmp713]

@@sparksdrinker5650 Do you know if they have done studies on Tempo Zone 3 intervals?

[@HB7c]

Your podcast and book has changed my entire mindset since I discovered it last year. As someone who really enjoys learning from health and fitness podcasts, I would look forward to you one day interviewing Dr Stacy Sims. She has mentioned HIIT and SIT all the time for women.

[@petermoore5124]

Absolutely right! "If you're going more than 10 seconds, you're probably not actually going all out." I'm a masters swimmer focused on competing in races under 30 seconds, and very few other masters swimmers whom I meet ever go near their max speed because they are embarrassed to do 25s with lots of rest, which is what's required to go max speed repeatedly. It's simple to measure times and see how much faster you can go when it's only about 10 seconds at a time with much more rest than that between repeats. Put differently, most masters swimmers are obsessed with endurance-oriented work:rest ratios >5:1, when all-out sprinting requires almost the opposite, like

[@barryhambly7711]

Very interesting but what is missing is you putting up a chart of the different workouts HIT SIT etc with intervals and power heart rate so we can get it clearly in to our minds what you are saying. I would have to listen to this video a number of times to understand clearly and not sure I would then be able to hold it in my mind but chats of a structured workout would be easy to hold in the mind

[@JeffC-fq1be]

Agreed. We never see anything like that.

[@Baddawg22]

Beyond 10 secs for most people you may be going “all out” in your mind, however your body’s performance has dropped without you realizing it. Your glycogen stores deplete fast. You’re still pushing as hard as you can but you can’t notice the decrease in performance while performing. The 10 sec governor Peter talks about is accurate. Go watch Usain Bolt run. He set the record because the other sprinters failed to continue accelerating and began to decelerate after only a few seconds. He experienced the same effect but in diminished fashion allowing him to outperform them. If the olympians experience a fast decrease in performance within a few seconds ours is certainly more dramatic.

[@chriscamburn]

I agree with you can only go 100% for like 10 seconds. This is based on my own personal training and the fact that the World Record time for the 200m sprint is > than 2x the 100m record by just enough to prove your point. Ironic that the 100m race is about 10 seconds at the top level.

[@Re3iRtH]

Same deal with Peter recommending 3-8 minute intervals of max effort for VO2max training. No human can go max effort or close to it for even 1 minute, but 3-8?! 😂

[@bartrobinson2103]

​@@Re3iRtHThe guy is just an egotistical narcissist. Can't stand him!

[@wennerstierna]

I can confirm that the Swedish word fart(yes) is speed in English, and Lek is Play. Fartlek is not used in Sweden today as a word (unless its a local word in the outback), but it may have been.

[@wennerstierna]

sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fartlek

[@stian5407]

Fart means Fart (in english), and Lek means leak. FartLeak

[@arthursosajr.2031]

I would say 20 Sec. is probably an all out max for an elite athlete. You can see that the 100M WR is almost exactly half of the 200M WR(that is with running the curve) but the 400M WR is more than double the 200M WR.

[@JeffC-fq1be]

7:14: If you're at 80%, how is that zone 2?

[@VictorElGreco]

I recall reading that the Training Peaks data of professional cycling teams showed that those “all out” efforts lasted only 6-8 *seconds* but unfortunately I don’t recall the source, I can’t reference it. Take it for what it’s worth… 🤔

[@darthvader1494]

Speed play is the correct translation from Fartlek. 👍

[@davidcasson5602]

I 1st came across Hiit with a documentary on Chris Boardman MBE ,training for the 1 mile record in the 90’s . His Lotus bike and scientific approach to fitness “The Professor “.

[@nickijames5122]

I’m a bit obsessed with cardio hiit workouts. I’ve find it helps with my anxiety disorder and gives me some control in my life, doing what I enjoy. Maybe you’d say I’m overdoing it at 60 minutes 3-4 times a week - then I’ll have to rest a few days. A question I’d love an answer to is regarding just bodyweight exercises vs using weights or dumbells as to bone health and overall strength too? I just can’t get on with dumbells. My form is most likely wrong and I do end up straining myself. I want to be fit to do my Cardio workouts too so I don’t use dumbells anymore. All the HIIT workouts I do include a lot of bodyweight exercises. I’m a 57 year old woman, petite and within weight range. I get worried when all I keep reading is over 50s women should be using weights? 🙏🏻🙂

[@sarahgordon2597]

maybe go to physical therapist to show you how to lift weights safely and maybe avoid moves that dont work for you ie shoulder stuff. i do do weights for upper body because i have strained shoulder but do lunges , some single leg squats, goblet squats. i love rows for my back. side lunges, or you can just walk with vest and climb stairs with dymbells.

[@jjuniper274]

I think it was a Huberman Lab Podcast where a guest noted that women benefit more from HIIT. Is that something you could explore in an AMA? Thank you.

[@ToddHoff]

Maybe you are thinking of Dr. Stacy Sims?

[@sausagesausagesausage]

I don't think you can even go 100% for 10 seconds. Sprinters slow down in the last couple or so seconds of a 100m race.

[@adamwood7911]

Tbh a good example of going all out for 10 seconds would be a play in football.

[@Hawkeye1757-m1y]

Is the office chair based on a race car seat?

[@robertthompson5501]

I enjoy HIIT in the pool as well as slower swims followed by Strength training. 🙏🏻👹🏋🏻🏊‍♀️

[@apwells]

Did Peter just say he did zone 2 at 80% Of max heart rate?!

[@Foxtrottangoabc]

🙄😅

[@lukepaulson3428]

80% is the top end of Zone 2

[@eamonnw]

Peter has identified his zone 2 using a more accurate method (not sure what method ) then uses heart rate for practicality

[@apwells]

⁠@@eamonnwrespectfully I disagree the zone designation comes from the percentage of max heart rate. I’m aware of doc’s use of a lactate meter. But at best the reference here suggests only a correlation between the statistical population and a specific lactate blood concentration. I think in reality he is highly trained and his “Zone 2” is actually be the general public’s Zone 3. Which if the case means a lot of the recommendations need to be better qualified, or Peter should fully stop referring to zones

[@eamonnw]

​@@apwells I won't claim to know more than Attia or you about any of this. But i am inclined to agree with you given my own experience and also I notice the MAF method formula would have people training at higher heart rates. "If you have been training for more than two years without any of the problems listed above, have made progress in your MAF Tests, improved competitively and are without injury, add 5."

[@cristobal.ashton]

His Z2 is 80% max HR?

[@TheIgnacio777]

Id be honest to say this is an advertisement at the beginning of the "sneak peek" Sneaky!

[@francismello5364]

[@davidcasson5602]

Over the winter as well as HIIT,, when on the sofa I use a high quality under desk cycle machine for 45-60 mins ,, this is for capillary blood flow , which I found ,when I got back on the bike in spring ,was not good after HIIT ,,, legs like miles ,, if I do any distance work. Anaerobic, Aerobic mix for the day

[@TB-LivingFree]

DropComment &TapLike 4AIgoz

[@bartrobinson2103]

Blah blah blah what a narcissist

[@Un0rthodox475]

Genuinely curious, in what way is he a narcissist?

[@cristobal.ashton]

@@Un0rthodox475 He isn't a fat slob