PETROL 4WD MYTHS BUSTED - are Diesel 4WDs being phased out?

[@sickdevs]

A diesel 30-40 years ago required basically no wiring and had very little emissions gear to strangle it, it’s a totally different story now. A modern diesel has just as much sensitive electronics and wiring to go bad in a water crossing as petrol and blowby combined with EGR and DPFs chokes them up. One other factor is that diesel is a safer fuel to store and carry extra in Jerry cans…

[@Jacobtheunwise]

Yep old diesels make great 4wds but new ones are worse than modern petrol engines

[@MrSnakekaplan]

The point was the negative aspects of petrol were always over emphasized and the simpson trip absolutely confirmed it. Petrol evaporates at a lower temp fact, however it's not what people think it is (refuelers are actually issued phones to use around all types of planes). I have an old pushrod v8 diesel but after driving a Y62, i'm interested.

[@jackofjr]

The early diesel were gutless , I bought the petrol models , I have had 3 more modern diesel but 5 years ago bought a Y62 because I was over diesels ,

[@joshsmith9058]

​@@Jacobtheunwise old diesel motors suck. They are gutless and terrible

[@stevennott6139]

What a load of rubbish, modern electronics are extremely reliable, and all modern engines ,diesel or petrol are so much more powerful, economical and reliable

[@DieselDave]

I'm sold on the 5.6L V8. Previously had a V6 Amarok and loved it too.. Plenty of power still but now, no more DPF burns, AdBlue, turbo lag etc.... just raw, beautiful N/A power!!

[@aussienscale]

They are a beast, and cheaper to run than a Cruiser too 😆😆

[@craigdavid6668]

@@aussienscaleHow do you work that out? You just have a problem with the Toyota product?

[@aussienscale]

@@craigdavid6668 Fuel prices at the moment they are cheaper to run. And no, have had plenty of Toyota’s.

[@BEACHV8]

I’m a convert to petrol. Had nothing but diesels for 30 years and now in a Y62 Patrol. I believe tyre size is most Important. I run 33’s in sand and average 16 on road and 20 off. Towing a 2T trailer up the beach. Power on demand has been a new experience.

[@craigarnold5654]

Ahhhh father and son back together again they get along so well ❤

[@Chr1st_has_risen]

Is this a joke 😂 are they really father and son?

[@davewain363]

It's not about spinning wheels. Diesels traditionally had much more low rev torque which is what you want when hill crawling. And there is plenty of overtaking power in a V6 turbo diesel. Throttle controllers make it even better (for both petrol and diesel).

[@kentgriffiths6288]

When I bought my first Jeep back in 2014 one of the main reasons was because it was one of the only 4WDs available in petrol. I also worked out that the difference in fuel usage vs the extra cost of the diesel equivalent meant that I'd need to do around 80,000km before the diesel payed itself off. On top of all that, fuel systems on a petrol are a lot less fussy about fuel quality and a heck of a lot cheaper to replace components. I've always said, unless you plan on towing at maximum capacity every day where you want peak torque lower in the revs then you don't need a diesel.

[@smittysgotthegoodes2231]

I’ve owned two Dmax’s and loved them, had a 300 on order and after a stuff around from Toyota I cancelled and bought a Y62 on the spot and I must say I haven’t looked back. Love it.

[@davesmith6891]

I own a 92 gq 4.2 efi petrol, my bro in law has a 91 gq 4.2 natural aspirated diesel, when we went to the cape I was using 17L/100 on the highway, he was using 13L/100, yes I have more power than his and used more fuel but my service costs are less than half that of the diesel, so that's a whole lot more petrol to go more places, go the petrols. Bloody great to hear from Graham again, missed ya mate, love ya work keep it up 🍻🍻👍👍🍻🍻

[@stotty117]

Funny it was the opposite with me and my mate his td was thirsty and my tb was thirsty to but not as bad

[@davesmith6891]

Guess it depends on how heavy the vehicle is and how it's driven

[@phillcc8524]

what maintenance costs? in a '92 mod petrol you would have spark plugs .rotor button ,distributor cap ,leads , injectors and filters , the n/a diesel ? umm injectors and filters , same interval time/distance , maybe 4 ltrs extra oil , cant see how it was much more expensive , being n/a means it wont pull the skin off a rice custard , diesels need turbos ! brings them alive

[@davesmith6891]

Just for laughs, go buy what you need for an oil change for both and compare cost, just 1 example

[@Ozzierob]

Yep a $120 fuel pump replacement unlike a $5k to $10k fuel pump replacement ouch !!. Let alone injectors.

[@DavesDriving]

Petrol GQ shorty carby 4.2L. Had it for nearly 20 years and never misses a beat. Only engine mod is elec ignition. A bit of extra fuel is way cheaper than paying for / maintaining a Diesel IMO. Have done a couple of shorter windscreen deep crossings and made them without problem but was nervous each time.

[@RobertAnderson-oe1fr]

I have owned a 4.0 v6 petrol Toyota 79 and currently own a 4.5 v8 diesel Toyota 79. I definitely preferred the petrol. It was much more fun to drive..

[@sidbabab1749]

Well said mate. That 4.0 l engine is much better in many ways. Bring the 4l in 70 series to Australia!

[@AaaTowing]

I own the 79 4.0v6 here is South Africa. My goodness this thing is bonkas! Love it

[@russdrummond7292]

The TB42e 4.2 petrol engine in my dear old GQ Patrol was a cracking good engine. Stunningly good off-road.

[@stotty117]

Slap a turbo on it and they are even better all my mates sold there tds and got the lol more fun if it brakes its cheap to replace and it actually moves on the road dosent take 4 to 6 buisnes days to get to the track lol

[@Ozzierob]

They are underrated mate for sure.

[@lorenzfriedmann2829]

What kind of fuel economy did you get out of it?

[@matbecroft]

I have not paid more that $1.90L for diesel in Western Sydney all year. My modded 100 series with the 1HD-FTE manages an average fuel economy of 10-11L/100. When compared to 16-17L/100 for the V8 and the 24+L/100 for the 1FZ-FE... I think the FTE is still the motor of choice...

[@erichyun6065]

I think that comes down to the purchase price of the cars especially now days with FTE fetching usually 10-20k more than an fz or uz engine. Especially with the cost of a turbo, and a set of injectors along the line you just keep going backwards. Not saying diesel isnt worth it but looking at the premium priceson a diesel, v8 1uz sounds pretty good

[@jimmymack1079]

Love my FT converted 105 mate!

[@Rage_80]

15-16L average on my 100 series petrol V8 last trip of 4,600km's. Can't complain. It has 8 cylinders.

[@jayd3931]

As someone who has ridden a motorcycle all over and through Australia, petrol definitely isn't an issue. Even the remote stations have it. As you guys saw on your US trip, diesel is non existent off road there, and the tracks are harder than Oz.

[@corvidcee]

More anecdotal vomit - seriously, use some data to backup your stats. Talk about pushing your own barrows 4wdaction has become an absolute punish for anyone with half a brain

[@BooF308]

Bigger issue isn't petrol vs diesel. It's about regulating 4wds out of existence for the average Aussie. Costs go up, access goes down, people walk away. As always, it's for our own good.

[@whyzed250]

First 4wd was a 90 series prado with the 3.4l 5VZ petrol. Took us everywhere - I never had any issues with the petrol. It was simple and easy. Wouldve gone the same style in the 150 2021 but no choice - ended up with a super complex modern diesel. I'd go back to the old girl if I could buy it new

[@rednuts903]

All modern cars a super complex champ. Old diesel’s included. Diesels are just more expensive and harder to access when sh!t hits the fan 🤙 had both and now two diesels and a Kluger V6 and the V6 petrol is thirsty af when towing the boat. My discovery and LDV barely notices it. That’s my biggest difference. But I love the power for the V6 petrol. And smoothness. 🤙

[@andrevanderwalt2515]

Had the same, 90 series VX Grande. Only issue was the power vs economy in the 4speed auto. If it was a manual, I'd probably still have it!

[@izzy031096]

Get a 100 series v8, you won’t regret it.

[@mikex4941]

Sand or mud, go for a petrol as you'll thank the wheel speed for getting you out of a bog or up a dune. Rock crawling and off-cambered ruts, go for a diesel, as you'll thank the torque down low in the rev range to pull you up and over obstacles at a slow and controlled pace. Towing, go for a diesel. Mostly city driving, then go for a petrol. Unless you do many kms per trip, then the fuel price and consumption savings a diesel can get you can be outweighed by its higher maintenance costs.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Modern turbo petrol have torque down low. Mine starts at 1750rpm.

[@mikex4941]

@@jerrymyahzcat Yeah I think they do these days, whereas petrols of yesteryear were really gutless on the low end.

[@MrHarey31]

It would still be less torque down low in the petrol compared to a similar size diesel engine

[@dvast87]

my 2UZ V8 petrol crawls up and down with low range. Cant say it does it worse than my previous Diesels did.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

@@MrHarey31 yes because in similar size engines the diesel will have more torque overall (Nm) while the petrol will have more power (kW).

[@raulbustamante8337]

I live in Venezuela and here is actually very rare to find diesel vehicles in general, and is no different for 4x4s. For example, all the land cruiser 70 series burn gasoline in inline 6 and v6. They are tough and strong, used and abused every day in any kind of terrain, conditions and distances. Gasoline engines are not bad, is the same with other good 4x4s, I haven´t heard anyone here thinking that they need diesel variants.

[@superwag634]

hola compadre. How is the price of fuel there nowadays? it was the cheapest in the world for while. 6c per litre from memory

[@raulbustamante8337]

@@superwag634 there are now 2 prices. The one called "international price" which is 0.5 USD per liter, and subsidized price which is ridiculously cheap (so cheap I don't even know), limited to 120 liters/month and incredibly hard to get, you'd have to wait around 2 days in a line if you're not in Caracas. Regarding diesel, I don't know.

[@Glen911porsche]

I’ve got an original factory TRD 4.0l petrol supercharged Hilux and it’s a weapon off-road

[@antiwoke884]

Loving the Next Gen Raptor with the petrol Sick of DPF issues on my last 2 diesels Only 4K on the clock and moving it so far, and no heavy off road yet and I don’t need to tow

[@paulcallaghan4287]

I just sold 2 diesels, hilux and Mitsubishi. The maintenance on these diesels was just insane. Fuel savings were not enough to justify the maintenance and extra purchase cost. I bought a 4l V6 hilux, maintenance costs have plummeted, and fuel costs are maybe 5% more. Zero turbo lag, plant the foot, and she screams. Never go back to a diesel. Australians have been scammed with diesels.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Yup. I hate diesel and refuse to buy one. Petrol only.

[@keaganairey1413]

Bleak the new Prado is missing the 1GR. I have a Prado 120 with 476000 km. She's been good to us but she's started giving us problems. It also wasn't the typical footy mom mobile. She Towed a lot, worked on our farm and travelled all over Southern Africa In some rough conditions.

[@strangenuts]

What are all the extra maintanence costs you talk about?

[@JC-zg4xe]

Would have loved to get one but they didnt offer a manual v6 on the 2015+ Luxs

[@tom6549]

I keep hearing people say diesels cost more for maintenance, out of curiosity what actually cost more in term of maintenance for the diesels? All i can think of is just the fuel filter needs doing ever 30k for diesels instead of 100-150k for petrol's...

[@KernO_]

Having gone from a petrol to a diesel fourby (both 20-25 years old) i would definitely go back to running a petrol. Sure I do 7L/100km better in the diesel but that cost of fuel has been cancelled out by the cost in diesel repairs. Diesel parts cost so much more than petrols: turbo, fuel pump, injectors are all huge cost items but there’s nothing on a petrol that’ll cost half what any of those big ticket items would

[@jeffersmcjeff2996]

Here in Kowanyama in FNQ the servo has run out of diesel. The closest servo is 5.5hrs away in Chillagoe on a dirt road that trucks won't be able to drive on to deliver more for 5 weeks. Still got unleaded though so out here the availability argument is reversed because everyone drives diesels. If you were to drive out here now with a diesel you might not be able to get back home

[@wilcovanamersfoort6744]

We just came back from a 12,000km trip from Perth to Brisbane and back. Towing a Kimberley camper trailer and driving a mix of highway, gravel, dirt and off road (Binns track, Holland Track) and we averaged overall 21.0l/100km with our 2002 LX470 4.7 V8 petrol. Can't complain.

[@Aussiebuilds]

Jocko and Graham need more father son time

[@NateH-qd7bm]

💯💯

[@philfoote829]

Lol

[@trentatkinson9053]

In certain outback communities you couldn’t get petrol due to it being sniffed to get a high

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Those days are gone.

[@southerngentleman5321]

@@jerrymyahzcat Listerine is still behind the counter in Alice...

[@jerrymyahzcat]

@@southerngentleman5321 I meant the days are gone not getting petrol. They sell low aromatic stuff now out in the far reaches. Wouldn’t they just sell the non-alcohol mouthwashes instead. And you can’t get high sniffing it.

[@southerngentleman5321]

yep they sell the low alc purple stuff on the shelf in some places (the truth about many outback Australian places is never talked about)

[@sounds_like_pain3345]

I wheel a 2012 FJ cruiser with the 4L petty V6 in it. Absolute weapon and super driveable. Has 200kw on tap which has gotten up every dune it’s hit in South Australia and Fraser Island. Love the damn thing!

[@BJN892]

My y62 is averaging the same as my zd30 GU just with an extra 300hp 😅 I still like the diesel torque offroad but would always choose a modern petrol over a modern diesel due to the issue plagued emission systems on modern diesels and service costs

[@LuqmanAbdullahMohammed3005]

Big love from Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹

[@liamkelly3362]

I've never owned a diesel and recently just changed out from a TJ Wrangler to a 95 series Prado both have been great vehicles and yes can be a bit thirsty but for the purchase price you can't beat it

[@VasVN]

I think one of the most common arguments that was missed was longevity of a diesel engine over a petrol engine.

[@thelonewolf666]

incorrect

[@curtisjones1904]

@@thelonewolf666 Old 3L powered Hiluxes with 600k+ kilometres on them would beg to disagree.

[@atousonk]

@@curtisjones1904 my land cruiser prado 3 liter diesel have 800k+ if it was petrol i would have gone through 3-4 engines

[@adamdixon2251]

My 80 series petrol on lpg had 500000ks when I sold it. No issues at all

[@TheTripleDubya]

@@curtisjones1904so pre dpf then ?

[@Twstd_y62]

I’ve got the 2020 Y62 and I brought it in Sydney and drove it to Townsville I’d get about 1000kms out of a tank on the highway not towing and now driving around town I’d get about 700 km around town

[@michaelsecomb4115]

Our 2009 Defender averages 12 l/100km, rising to 14-15 when towing our caravan. My BIL's 80 series uses 16-18.

[@freedomfighter6681]

Diesel have the best fuel mileage longevity and torque for towing. I hate what the government is doing with the diesels with all this emissions crap I’ll keep my old diesel.

[@MonkeyWithAWrench]

Ahh, this is a fun one. Over here in the US as you guys may have noticed, diesels are quite a bit more rare to see on the trail. when you do see one, its a decent chance of being a conversion from a petrol engine. I swapped in a 1.9 VW TDI into a Suzuki Samurai,. the one advantage I had with the diesel is that its governed by the injection pump rather than only human controlled. You could leave your foot off the accelerator and let it idle, then as you start loading it up the governor would maintain RPM. it would even start to build boost in the right conditions with no driver input! combine this with the incredible responsiveness of a diesel and it made technical tight driving in rocks easier. Now, there were downsides. Cost was insane. on-highway performance was the same or less than the other common engine swaps. gearing in the transmission, transfer case and axles were incorrect for a diesel and no way to improve it without some serious cash. I'll tell you this; i sold that rig and bought another. the new one will not be getting a diesel, but rather a petrol.

[@TheMetrescher]

In the U.S. almost nobody wheels with diesel. Jeep just came out with their first diesel a year or two ago and I think I can count on one hand how many I’ve seen.

[@gunnie799]

Diesel is more of a work horse in the US. Plus they are heavy

[@matthewallen5399]

petrol is cheap in the US compared to Aus

[@TheTofty666]

US emissions laws really stop diesel manufacturing tbh

[@Ktmfan450]

You need the other hand to count how many times the motor has been replaced under warranty

[@williamfsark]

Might be the first time they've done a diesel wrangler in the U.S. but Jeep have been selling diesel wranglers in other countries for decades

[@jeremywetmore4988]

All my old Toyotas are petrol been in the vic high country for 39 years ,all my mates have diesels but still flog fuel for there chainsaws LOL I personally love petrol

[@carzkartz9080]

Considering nearly no modern petrol has a distributor anymore and a common rail diesel has way more sensitive fuel system components than a petrol its pretty much break even on water crossings until you swap it. Nearly always you can pull the plugs on a petrol clear the cylinders, swear a little, pray a little and it'll light back up again. Swamp a common rail diesel you'll lose your sanity trying to get the injectors out trail side when you do if it doesn't crank your done, it's repairs expensive enough to wright the car off time.

[@devo3243]

Another thing people dont think about is many diesel tanks are vented to the atmosphere. Submerge the tank for long enough and theres a whole tank of fuel contaminated with water

[@indeepeterhopwood8106]

The last of the petrol V6 Hilux, Trion etc are the way to go. No catch cans, no EGR blanks, no secondary filters, no DPF, no splitting intercooler hoses. Change oil every 15k and send it

[@devo3243]

The mitsi petrol v6 is bulletproof. In the triton and the pajero, ive rarely seen any with issues unless it literally has not been maintained in its life

[@markandkim66]

I went from a N80 Hilux to a 2023 Y62 for towing. Obviously, there's no comparison........Ones a beast, and the other was a Hilux..........

[@geoffodger]

I did a LS swap in my 80 series and obviously more power and better fuel economy than the 1fz-fe ever was

[@alexmacnamara104]

Australia runs on diesel last time I checked trucks run on diesel

[@ryanscott4617]

Petrol for me. I had my ever reliable turbo diesel prado for 12 years with many beach trips and never missed a beat, I loved that car. Took the plunge and bought a Y62 a year ago and it’s a totally different experience, great power, effortless on the beach. Get about 16l per 100 on the road and 20 on the beach or towing. Petrol and y62 for the win.

[@ryanscott4617]

I should mention every service on the Prado for the last year I had it was costing $1000 minimum.

[@darcykeddell4930]

last time I was in Licola petrol was $1.90 and diesel was $2.57. my tb45 loved it

[@sebastianmessina31]

Been driving an FJ Cruiser from 2013 with 167000K’s. GVM upgrade, snorkel & a bar. I tow a Jayco and when I need to pass a roadtrain - no probs. Love it.

[@outlaw5065]

I brought an MK Triton 2006 petrol model 5 weeks ago for $8500. The absolute gem of a find, 225000 kms interior is like new, small oil leak, which is fixed now and ripping in setting it up for touring

[@GekyumeSama]

I love MK Tritons, do you think a 4x4 one would be able to tackle a lot of these big and tough tracks?

[@cal671nz]

When buying my 100 series 5 years ago here in NZ I was in this exact situation to decide between diesel and petrol. I was set on the FTE until I started working out the cost compared to the 2UZ. Yes the petrol uses 4-5 litres more fuel but servicing cost was almost half and the initial vehicle cost for the petrol was around 15k less than the diesel. Took both for a drive and the 2UZ blew the FTE away in standard form. I could not see where the extra value for the diesel was. All I found was the very image portraying people were the ones saying the petrols are no good and need to get a diesel to be proper 4by… oh I feel so sorry for those people

[@Twisted4x4Australia]

I'm getting 10 - 11 litres per 100 with my GQ TD42T and living it!

[@gayledaniels9861]

Emission restrictions are killing both petrol and diesel. A lot of people are worried about the cost of omponent failures of these newer vehicles outside the warranty period. I'm not sure leasing a new 4wd every 3 or 4 years is better for the environment than our 23yr old hilux....

[@Ktmfan450]

Bad engineering is killing vehicles

[@ArthurThompson-l9b]

I’ve had a v8 petrol 100series landcruiser Absolutely loved it 11-12ltr/100ks Maximum of 20ltrs/100 even when heavy towing and driving the piss out of it 400,000ks and no issues at all Brilliant car The running cost of that was far less than my 1hz 80s I’ve now got a ranger and still my v8 cruiser would be more economical and far better than my ranger I’ve also got a 2.7ltr hilux 4wd 12ltr/100 going back n forth to work Ultra reliable All my diesel vehicles have cost me a fortune My ranger is due for a set of injectors ( ouch) The hilux still has the originals after 24yrs My choice would be petrol every time

[@allanmaccaul1465]

Petrol is King 👑

[@anthonycharadia5909]

My first 4wd track was in an fj40 petrol. In 35years of 4wding I've owned 3 x 4wd all petrol. Still have one. Been all over Aus, river crossings etc never had a problem.

[@LadyInALandy]

Well that's a bit of a surprise!! Thank you so much, some awesome vehicles and features this week - stoked to be included. :)

[@clintonlovell6625]

A point i feel has been missed, in the outback alot of farms have on station fuel stores in decent amounts for tractors and other items, it was common to have a diesel vehicle so you could also fill up to travel around the property. Pumps, generators etc where in much lower quantities.

[@adammccarthy4685]

I made the switch to a y62 from a np300 after owning a diesel for the last 10yrs. Reason being, 1. I wanted the power from a petrol v8 where having the power to overtake and not putting other vehicles in a dangerous situation 2. Where i live diesel vs 98 is about 12c difference and lastly 3. The repair costs of a diesel i have been burnt significantly from constant rear main seals to timing chains and injectors, so before i made the switch i spoke to a very good mechanic friend in terms of repairs and the petrols are significantly cheaper in most aspects, petrol 4wd’s will have a bright future ahead!

[@christopherharris6005]

Awesome video as always Jocko and Graham. Can’t wait for all the epic adventures this season.

[@cpftank09]

Great video! So many people in the US think they want a diesel pickup like a Tacoma (Hilux). But they’ve never driven one to see just how painfully slow they are. Pretty much every highway is 70mph (110kph-ish) speeds, most are higher. The diesels in midsize pickups just don’t have enough at those speeds to have any extra passing power. Most of them would disappointed if they had one here. We had the Chevy Colorado diesel and there’s a reason it only lasted a few years and it wasn’t emissions.

[@keneikuotsu9803]

If you get the right modification i don't think petrol vehicle's are bad for 4wd off-roading ....

[@veneratedmortal4369]

Petrol cars are objectively better at 4x4. If you don't consider cost.

[@purebloodnordicroamer7955]

Had diesel 4wd from the 80s till 2018 as l did my time as a diesel mechanic. One of them 80 series 1hz best vehicle ever owned. Have a fj cruiser now, did a 7000km trip last winter through WA Northern Territory, about 4000 off-road if you include the great central road twice. Averaged 13 litres per hundred km. Just today got back from a 1600km trip on and off road, calculated 12.46 litres per hundred. I’m converted to petrol, do my own services.

[@Bigsoot7393]

Diesel is dead, too much emissions bullshit, im a diesel mechanic and anything pre emmissions is beautiful anything after no good

[@steveryan3906]

I run a 200 series with the 4.7 petrol. I tow with it daily and go off road with it too. It is a smooth drive and it is cheaper to work on and purchase than the equivalent diesel. The main reason I go petrol over diesel though is, I like it and it sounds awesome.

[@petercoult1139]

We have a Suzuki GV 2.7l v6, been through the vic high country without a problem, windscreen deep water crossing, tows our camper no worries, but did run into Bollon on empty only to find no petrol only diesel

[@lorenzfriedmann2829]

I CANT BELIEVE IT! THAT PRADO! I was stuck on that EXACT spot just a little earlier than him in the exact same kind of car! How do I know I was earlier? That wood in the bottom left of the first pic. I also had only a broken winch! That’s where my rear right tyre was!!! I CAN BELIEVE ITHAHA! SAME CAR SAME SPOT SAME PROBLEM AND ALMOST SAME TIME!!!

[@9kufstein]

I have had 4 Nissan Patrols Diesel (still have the old 20 year old GU - love it), but now I own a Y62, S5 2023 model and have travelled with it a fair bit - absolutely love it - great on fuel and I like the simplicity of the car - this was one of the main factors why I have chosen a Y62. The engine in this car is a real gem, couldn't be happier.

[@coopermathews9288]

I'm thinking about going a petrol 4wd as my next project. I think if i was going on huge romote trips then yeah diesel but damn i dont go too remote and at this point petrol is just as easy to service and cheaper parts overall.

[@karmann1799]

Got a 1989 2h 60 series sitting waiting as a project. Wasnt started for 5 yrs. Replaced the hand primer. New battery. Kicked it over and it ran straight away. I bet if i let my 06 hilux sit 5 yrs it wouldnt start. To many electronics that wouldnt survive i’m guessing. Thats what i like about the old diesels. Simplicity.

[@Maj-zb9bg]

I lived on 30 acres of steep slippery hills in North Qld after torrential rain I would idle out to the road in 2wd in my diesel tray back with no weight in it. One day I was home and l heard some loud revving in the paddocks it was a petrol ute stuck with no traction as he was hard on the gas. I show him a way to get out, he spun the wheels most of the way out. That day I idled out in 2 wd.

[@Stevegrande1]

Driver issue. I can idle my petrols over the same terrain as any diesel. Petrol will also eat a diesel in sand dunes.

[@Dodgy_Dave]

Here in Europe we can only run the Landcruiser J7 in the GRJ version which has a 4 Liter V6 petrol engine. Although the 2.8 L is available it just does not make any sense because of the more vulnerable emission systems and Adblue stuff you need. The V6 is doing its job quite well with 230hp /270 hp tweaked.

[@damop4827]

Diesel. It's everywhere. Trucks have tanks full of the stuff if you ever get really low. Also, carrying jerry's of diesel is far less volatile. ONEHAYCHZED.

[@grumpy-g5s]

Where do you need to carry it ,it's available everywhere I went to the Cape in a petrol and did not need a jerry of it and I crossed the Simpson in a diesel and didn't need a jerry of ,the are fuel stops everywhere

[@toddclark1559]

Just spent 3 years travelling Aus. Not once did we see somewhere selling Diesel without selling petrol.

[@MrUndeadKittens]

Just got myself a VD30 02 Navara and absolutely loving it. Can' wait to chuck an aftermarket ECU on it and get a proper tune on it and it'll be the best 4x4 i've had.

[@NateH-qd7bm]

Cheers boys for an awesome episode and some awesome topics 🍻

[@TrafficConeOnTour]

I believe that there are a few other reasons which are more old 4wd related old diesels. Running maybe 1 to 3 wires to run the whole engine. Torque cruve. But in favour of petrol new and old is rebuild and servicing cost, which is hugely in favour of petrol. I've driven and owned both petrol and desiel 4wds, and both have the pros & cons

[@Lybra19JTD]

There is one aspect of what kind of fuel use. Both engine can run very cheap. fuel have still lower maintenance costs. But in both cases is fuel and its quality the main factor. With more bio content in fuel, petrol engines will suffer more than diesel about performance, but diesel more by maintenance if we talk about new cars. Hybrids will have issues in dusty and hot conditions

[@MUDDABRUDDAS]

THAT WAS ME THAT ROLLED TJE LAND-ROVER IN THE FAILS SEGMENT! I’ve given myself an upper cut thanks Graham!! 😂😂😂

[@jerrymyahzcat]

So sad to see that. I have a Land Rover too.

[@mgiblonski4318]

24 litres per 100?! Yikes! I understand that modern 4x4's have loads of towing power, but with that kind of fuel consumption I couldn't afford to take my family on a big trip. I'll stick with the trusty old 4.2 GU thanks. 12L/100 all day long, and 16 if towing.

[@rich7447]

I'm running a 6.7L Ford diesel in a F450 and don't use that much unless I am towing well over 20,000lbs/9,000+KG

[@b18civicsi00]

In the states unless you drive a 3/4-1 ton truck, you can get diesel. Well….there are a couple 1/2 ton trucks like Chevy Silverado which had a 3.0 L duramax. I am seeing even in the bigger trucks more gas options. You are 100% right when it come to after market parts. Diesel are so expensive. Gas is very obtainable.

[@shadowdarter]

this time im late, i need to move the beer fridge closer to the computer

[@adamrichards2072]

You need to move the computer to the shed

[@drewiliffe4855]

Trucks, tractors, excavation, mining vehicles all use diesel. Always will. Not many 4wd available with petrol in Australia and now some governments are planning to phase petrol engines out. It is a complete mess. The rule makers are so focused on the EV and while they are great in cities they have many issues to resolve. We will need petrol for decades and diesel forever.

[@paulboon1100]

Myself and my daughter have 60 series Land Cruisers, mine a FJ with 3F hers a HJ with 2H. We went from SA to FNQ a couple of years ago, all loaded to gvm, both on "33, the difference in fuel use was around 2 to 4 litres/100 depending, but no more. But then there is service costs, the 3F is much cheaper and less frequent than the 2H. When we got to Qld she had a bad batch of fuel and the thing was smoking black crap bad, needed new filters, injector cleaner etc. I bought a litre of metho. In the end there is actually very little difference in between the two. Apart from the 3F having more power. The 3F has done more than 700k km 60% on LPG. The diesel around 400k km.

[@windnsea03]

My GX460 (Prado 150) came with the 4.6 V8 which is cheap to maintain and has pretty good acceleration. Lexus recommends 91 AKI (95 RON) which is easy enough to find, I know a lot of people will just run 87 AKI (91 RON) with no issues. Would only want diesel if it was pre-DPF/SCR/AdBlue.

[@cshep1531]

2 years ago, no petrol at Lyndhurst SA at the start of the Strezlecki, only Diesel

[@darrenwells9921]

I have a petrol 4L v6 n70 hilux and love it. It’s thirsty but has power for days and super reliable.

[@bazboy3854]

How much to a tank do you get from it

[@philcarr7015]

The highest octane gas/petrol that we can get here in the States at a regular filling station is 93, 89, and 87. Some farming co-ops have higher or Av. Gas is 110 low lead. Those choices are very expensive.

[@christophersaul]

All petrols here in the UAE. When I got my grey market diesel v8 Troopy it took me a while to get used to it. For a heavy vehicle I love the low down torque for steep tracks and the like. It’s also great for dune tracks and mild dunes. That said, I have never driven the petrol Troopy and would love to compare it properly. For really exciting dune driving, petrol is the obvious choice. I love my Y61 for that.

[@erroneouscode]

Engine braking, or more specifically lack of it in petrol compared to diesel when coming down steep greasy tracks.

[@BorellaFamilyAdventures]

I am in the States and was comparing the Amarda (USA Patrol lite) and the Grand Cherokee Trailhawk Ecodiesel. I ended up going with the Ecodiesel only because of the unladen mileage. The Nissan was only going to do 18MPG US at best vs, the 28MPG on the Jeep.

[@DanCabban]

I’ve had both a TD42 and a TB48, all in the TB is cheaper to run, that includes fuel and service cost. The TB does use about a litre more per hundred. But you get a lot my power.

[@stephenvecchiet3987]

Bought my 4.8ltr double overhead cam petrol GU patrol new in 2002. Had it for 14 years. Had a unichip and Beaudesert exhaust. 15ltrs/100km at a steady 100km/hr. Never got worse than 23ltrs/100km towing a toy hauler with dune buggy and everything that a family of 5 needed for 2 weeks camping. Car was generally lightly loaded but carrying 5 people. Trailer weight around 3 tonnes with 80 ltr water tank tools buggy etc. etc.

[@devo3243]

5l/100km worse than my 13 triton and you had twice the engine size, that is not bad when you think about it

[@Stevegrande1]

A quick run down on what I’ve owned in 4wd’s, two vitaras both petrol, 2.8 diesel hilux, 4 prado’s, 3 petrol, 1 diesel, currently a Y62 series 5 22 model bought new. The best prior to the patrol was my 150 petrol, awesome vehicle, great all rounder, absolutely faultless in the 160k I did in it before selling, the patrol is next level again over the Prado. Only done 50k in the patrol so far, but zero issues, fantastic power, tows like a dream, have had just over 3T behind it towing the jayco expanda, average for the trip was just over 22L per 100, plenty of grunt pulling up hills, is awesome on the sand dunes, just eats them up. People who comment on petrols are useless for water crossings are going back to the days of when you had distributer caps and points and long leads like my vitaras did. They didn’t like water and would cough and splutter but would come good once they dried them selves out. The diesel Prado no problems in regards to water but I spent more on that in two years then I have in 20 years of owning the petrol prado’s and patrol. The Prado’s run individual coil packs on top of their plugs, never had an issue with water crossings, and I use to drench the engines every time I washed the vehicles I’d wash the engine and engine bay, no problems what so ever. The patrol while I haven’t dunked it deep enough again no problems, there has been reposted of the viscous electronic coupling on the fans causing some problems where the fan will lock on and roar it nut off but once dried out no further issues but no issues with actual water and the engine. I think most people forget we arnt back in the 90’s now with 4wd petrols. My next one will probably be the new Lexus mid spec 250 with the petrol turbo V6. I’ll never own another diesel. People forget that new diesels are just as high tech as a petrol, example prado’s, their ECU’s are in the same place, so you get the ECU wet in either a petrol or a diesel, your screwed either way

[@klownssuck9478]

had a d22 navara 3.3 v6since 2006 and its still going strong, has more guts than similar diesel variants. recently got the missus a Jimny, also petrol, both do fine offroad ;) but I have no experience of a diesel so I guess doesnt mean much. But If the navara died I dont know what I would get to replace it.

[@Spoonfed78]

Good discussion. The Y62 is great to expose the myths. Old school diesel, sure simple and reliable, modern the opposite vs petrol. They do call them common fail for a reason.

[@hiltonavis3795]

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[@farmer_siv]

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[@Madacko]

You guys make so many great points, especially the crossing of deep water. The other benefit of a petrol in a water crossing is if it hydro locks, you are less likely to bend rods & destroy your motor due to the lower compression. They are also easier to drain afterwards. I recently did an engine conversion to my 2004 GU because the ZD30 died. It was cheaper for me to fit an LS1 V8 than it was going to be to rebuild the 3L diesel. My LS GU uses more fuel than the ZD30 around town, but when towing it shits all over it, & has the power to safely overtake. When out wheeling, the fuel usage is within a few litres of my mates ZD30.

[@markbergman2342]

diesel is ideal, however not with all the added crap that make it clog / break / become complex (EGR, DPF etc)

[@yetichris]

I have a 97 Toyota Surf with the 3 litre 1KZ diesel engine, I could if I wanted to run it on new or waste (after filtering clean) cooking oil. There’s no choice of alternative fuels for a petrol engine and diesel is relatively safer to transport in jerry cans! Having said that I have no issues between petrol or diesel engines and my first 4x4 was a Vauxhall Frontera (Isuzu Mu) Sport with a 2 litre petrol engine but I currently prefer my diesel, however if I had the money I’d import a Toyota 4Runner Gen5 which has a 4 litre V6 petrol engine.

[@stevenlippis5488]

Went from a diesel 90 to a petrol 120. I didn't mind the 90, and used a bit less fuel, but not a huge difference. It definitely drives nicer, but I never expected the 90 to be quick!

[@stevethomas5766]

Hi Guys, I own a lc300 and I tow a 20ft van it is a absolute rocket ship. The litres. Per hundred when towing is 15lt per 100

[@jamesmillar7630]

Historically a well maintained Diesel motor will have a longer life than the same petrol variant. So many examples of this, I had a 94 petrol 80 series which lasted 240000 kms and a second hand 75 Series PC which had when I sold it 420000 kms, the 1HZ was perfect.

[@task82]

You won't get the same longevity out of a modern diesel, too much crap on them to clog them up.

[@member369240sx]

Growing up wheeling in the usa with Petrol Motors and Now now wheeling in Europe with Diesels 2 jeeps JK8 and a JKU... But that being said. I was in my 40's when i bought the first diesel 4x4 in Austria a 4 door Patrol GU my dream ride. so with that said.. 1. Wheeling is way different...wheel speed and application of torque...Both are good but its a learning curve... I prefer (maybe because i am getting older (55) my Diesel jeeps since the power doesn't come on as fast as it does with Petrol...So gives you a bit more time to react and save gear. And amount of gear I have broken just because i let it eat is more then with any of the diesel 4x4's I have owned and wheeled.

[@lukefisher328]

One consideration is RPM when crawling a petrol will need higher RPM to get to a reasonable output, this can be mitigated with lower gearing but something to be mindful of.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Modern turbo petrol gets low down torque. My peak torque starts at 1750rpm.

[@gtf0102]

Happy to see the penny has finally dropped, I never understood the how a lack of power and revs was great for overall performance. Currently have a ram trx (6.2 supercharged) weighs 3100 kg plus towing a 3050 kg van. average 21.5l/100, what hills...