Physical Perfection |

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson speaks with five-time consecutive Mr. Olympia Classic Physique champion, businessman, and public speaker, Chris Bumstead. They discuss how Chris was introduced to bodybuilding, how he combatted anxiety and a speech impediment in his upbringing and early career, where he’s at now following a five-year win streak, and how he balances his values between sport, business, marriage, and soon-to-be fatherhood.
Hailing from Canada, Chris Bumstead (AKA “CBUM”) has taken the fitness world by storm, becoming a five-time Mr. Olympia Classic Physique Champion. With his unmatched physique, unwavering dedication, and infectious enthusiasm, Chris has become a true icon of the sport. With over 22 million followers, Chris is an inspiration for individuals worldwide.
Chris is a proud owner of RAW Nutrition, a premium sports nutrition line, as well as BUM Energy, an exciting new lifestyle energy drink.
This episode was recorded on January 19th, 2024
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(0:00) Tour update 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(1:10) Intro
(2:59) Debuting as a professional bodybuilder, the structure and hierarchy of the sport
(4:52) How the Classic Physique division differs from others, the Arnold years
(7:06) The dietary regimen of the five-time consecutive Mr. Olympia
(8:58) Bodybuilding is a sport that hinges on aesthetics
(9:55) Starting at 14 and seeing early success
(14:04) Building discipline by following passion, finding solace in the gym
(18:04) Getting over feeling self-conscious in the gym: “It’s not as judgmental as people think.”
(19:57) The precursor to the redeemer is the fool, how to become an honest master at something
(21:53) Chris Bumstead struggled with public speaking-how he got past the fear
(24:40) The radical biological change that happens when you make the conscious choice to improve
(28:22) Growing up with a speech impediment, how Chris found his voice and self identity
(31:42) If people like the false front you present, that’s all they like about you
(34:09) Say what you believe regardless of the consequences
(36:07) Why you feel butterflies in your stomach when you’re nervous, heightened non-specific arousal
(41:06) The difference between nervousness over judgment and expectation
(44:21) Conquering fear is not the absence of fear, there’s nothing brave about security
(47:40) Why continue after attaining wild success? When to find the next challenge
(55:05) The Future Authoring program: Can you imagine yourself five years in the future?
(59:02) One of Jordan Peterson's greatest personal motivators
(59:44) True mastery is marked by the spirit of play, how this applies to parenting
(1:00:50) Where Chris is headed: “Bodybuilding was never forever.”
(1:07:36) Jocko Willink, self-development and the meaning found in helping others develop
(1:12:16) The vastly undersold advantage of emotional honesty
(1:16:55) Married life and negotiating commitment toward truth in a relationship
(1:26:27) The true reward in triumph isn’t the prize, but those who saw it through alongside you
(1:28:29) Chris asks Jordan for advice for new parents
(1:36:59) Managing jealousy and resentment within a family
(1:40:14) Thinking long-term, planned togetherness, and taking on new mountains
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Underrated comment

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haha for real

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@@KevinLCole2023criminally underrated

[@lucalemay9997]

😂

[@glimonwinnacker]

Bro! How did you think of this. You’re funny as hell

[@youlig1]

First Derek, now Chris. I see a pattern. Is Jordan starting a bulk soon? 😂

[@piquedcommenter6252]

The bulk is probably how he plans on winning his battle to hold on to his clinician's license lmao -- use his upgraded physique to intimidate those feeble judges into ruling in his favour 😂

[@jobiy1999]

There's a meme about some ancient philosopher who would flex and pose mid debate. It would probably apply here to 😆

[@finnpope7745]

The bulk is gonna be insane

[@Professional.Bro.777]

Sam sulek is definitely next

[@jacobm2625]

@@Professional.Bro.777I would be unable to process that

[@piquedcommenter6252]

It's such a privilege to be able to see one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time have a chat with Chris Bumstead

[@paufishing3782]

😂

[@piquedcommenter6252]

@@paufishing3782 To be fair, I've never seen Dr. Peterson wear a t-shirt before, so who knows, maybe he genuinely is a physical specimen but he just never lets us see it 😂

[@Loha2005]

​@@piquedcommenter6252👀🤷‍♂️ sleeper?

[@piquedcommenter6252]

@@Loha2005 I reckon so mate 😂 we'll have to start a petition to get Jordan to go up on [a bodybuilding] stage one of these days lol

[@Yankee4ever2]

Had us in the first half, not gonna lie

[@nicholastotoro7721]

The best part of the interview? Watching Dr Peterson write down notes when he didn't know something. That's a desire for knowledge.

[@theresefournier3269]

Absolutely❤

[@coraleefarrell1066]

As opposed to some in the comments that wouldn't understand desiring to broaden the mind.

[@Johnny-hq3cd]

he takes notes in every talk he has with any person

[@onthearth1]

Also makes for a great psychologist!

[@Jasonlimitless]

I imagine it’s a habit from being a psychologist as he would essentially be ‘interviewing’ his patients in a similar manner. It makes great sense as then you can actually ‘build’ on the interview and make ‘progress’ with the conversation not just go from one random topic to another.

[@stevena8719]

The collab nobody was expecting, but everybody needed

[@hebunwelatparez9791]

I was like wow this wasn't expected at all.

[@piquedcommenter6252]

After the episode with Derek MPMD I'm honestly not that surprised that Peterson did one with CBum lol -- I figured it was only a matter of time but I thought it'd be another few weeks or so until this episode dropped!

[@donfabius2057]

The comment everybody expected, but no one needed

[@piquedcommenter6252]

@@donfabius2057 ...Yet you felt the *need* to reply to it 🤦‍♂

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[@austinb9506]

Our father and our daddy in one room

[@ethanhoward389]

Yas lol

[@WiseOwl_1408]

That's pathetic.

[@Alex7Mode]

This comment will rise to the top and I will be here to witness it.

[@erik4177]

@@WiseOwl_1408Is your daddy someone else? 😘

[@Frank-cw2xy]

Cringe

[@Knosferatu]

Bumstead needs his own podcast. So articulate and collected in his delivery. Love this guy.

[@Heclo18]

they have a podcast and he's in most of them, search raw nutrition podcast and you should find it!

[@finnlandau4878]

Tho articulated. That should be the name

[@saundersbuck7247]

This combo is CRAZY

[@Schaufelor]

Physical and intellectual idol :D

[@mchandmusic]

As a gym rat, I can confirm that the real-life fitness community (not influencer culture) is the most supportive place you can be. I hope more people find a gym after this interview.

[@andrewpalacios1363]

I agree man, was doing incline dumbbell press, and was needing two more reps, and was about to dump the weights when I had once more, and this random guy came by the help!

[@jeffnemo7993]

Facts 👏🏽🫶🏼🙏🏽👏🏽

[@juancarcausto5146]

I never imagined that Dr. Peterson would interview the Mr. Olympia. This is amazing!!!

[@R_W103]

Imagination is there to imagine

[@betterchapter]

This channel is undeniably one of the sources of true modern wisdom.

[@canaanlocke4375]

Faxx

[@TheManInTheRing]

As a Canadian, we are at a all time low. In pride, nationalism, economy, cost of living, etc et al. Seeing Mr Peterson talk to Mr Bumstead. it just reawakens this vision and pride of what it means to be Canadian. Thank you so much both for the interview.

[@hoos_ur_daddy]

As an American who’s grandmother was Canadian and spent my summers there it pains me to see what the country has become. I pray that you can Make It Great Again!!!

[@superdrew8564]

All we were missing in the shot was the Stanley cup, maple syrup, Nanaimo bars

[@exceptico6156]

Statism/socialism as inmoral and inefficient as it is, it can only lead to misery and lack of any ethical behavior. In Canda, Europe, North Korea, Argentina or anywhere you want

[@Fortunaatp]

Excact same shit going on here in England.

[@scottsimnz]

The way Chris smiled when Jordan said "you're about to become a father. That's gonna keep you busy."

[@austinb9506]

The crossover we needed!!

[@MrGilesMD]

Better than the Avengers & Justice League teaming up right? ❤️

[@shawnpilgrim2355]

The greatest mind and the greatest body. CBum was probably the second guy I ever subscribed to back in 2019 and I’ve listened to probably everything Jordan has had to say in that time. My mind is exploding.

[@Robby_Camarato]

It's like the time Soundgarden did Saturday Night Live while Jim Carry was hosting ✊️

[@StoicMiles]

Greatest mind? 😂😂😂

[@ChantelJordan-fm7kx]

​@StoicMiles It's just a saying, but name one. Who's your greatest mind. Vaush?

[@StoicMiles]

@@ChantelJordan-fm7kx I have no clue who that is.

[@abcd3fgh1jklmn0pqrstuvwxyz]

Chris is such an amazing individual. So raw, real and compassionate. He’s a true gentle giant.

[@Ace-gl7xo]

Damn... CBum and JP? Can't get any better than this ❤

[@gabrielcyr44]

It’s tough to be a proud Canadian nowadays but thank god we have these two! 🙏🏻🇨🇦🍁

[@MD-cq4np]

why is it tough being canadian?

[@bigcobo5378]

@@MD-cq4npcause your leader is a fool

[@arm8636]

Wym, Canadians are the best

[@zarathustra007]

Watching JBP interview someone so outside of his areas of interest and experience is utterly fascinating

[@shawnpilgrim2355]

@35:41 Jordan makes an excellent point about being nervous when you know you’re not the most nervous there. Perfect example. I work on the ambulance and it can get nerve racking sometimes. Wondering what event might happen or trying to stay mentally prepared. It’s hard. Yet, when we have a student riding out with us who is absolutely petrified, I notice I am at complete ease because now I have a different job to do, navigating them. 100% true statement from Jordan.

[@Rayfano1002]

Great example, thanks!

[@shinobi7184]

Jus member Ur a hero. Take special ppl to do what you do :)

[@lessalazar9068]

The ultimate crossover nobody ever expected

[@-justin-4077]

I’m pretty sure you can expect Jordan to interview anyone successful at this point.

[@birdman4birdlegs]

I don't know. Have you seen Chris do cable crossovers?

[@dovydas.dovydenis]

The main reason, I think, why people love Chris Bumstead so much is that he has very relatable personality with insecurities and fears, and that he SHOWS them and OVERCOMES them. It is actually corageous and admirable. Also, Chris is just a cool guy and humble. Perfect personality to represent the sport.

[@Fn0r1Chase]

Whoever the cinematographer for JP is, he's a master of the art

[@MortalFrogArt]

The color and lighting is perfect.

[@kelvinmccoylcswlcdc8273]

I love the combination of spirituality, mentality and physicality in this dicussion. It is so human.

[@Papashaft]

I’m glad Jordan is peeking through the fitness door rn, lot of good people there it’s cool to see how he is interested in these peoples lives

[@oooBigTooo]

Never realised how much JP truly listens and is interested in every little detail, truly awesome to see

[@lawliet9692]

I did not realize what a great man Chris is. A pleasure to listen to.

[@antonhallergren588]

Chris is this generations Arnold. He'll bring bodybuilding back into the limelight and mainstream. It grows and furthers the sport I and millions of others already partake in and love.

[@jacksongezan8130]

He’s better. The more I find out about Arnold the more I realize he is a scum bag.

[@JTMoney333]

This is the second podcast I've watched with Dr. Peterson. What I enjoy most is seeing how genuinely interested Dr. Peterson is sharing experiences with his guests. As spectators and young people, take the time to really listen to the conversation. These behaviors and experiences are something we all can relate to. It's infectious watching how the conversation moves and evolves into the cause and effect of how we think and perceive as we relate to outside stimuli. Kudos to Dr. Peterson and his guests for providing real insight in bettering oneself.

[@lailikrumm]

Just thought about this myself: doing a podcast does come naturally to a person who has psychology degree and experience in a field where seeing patterns and listening are big part of career and patient success. Curiosity is a very necessary trait and passion for knowledge ofcourse as well. This makes the questions deeper and creates space where the guest can open up more. Stories that he himself shares have depth as well because of his personal experience and those of people he has treated.

[@stephenowens677]

That's why I love his podcasts, he's good at listening and then adding the probing questions. It's like watching a therapist session it's very interesting and deep substantial stuff that you can take away for yourself

[@ladyteh]

Well said.

[@Likeamamagoose]

I have a newborn at home right now and this conversation was immensely helpful. Thank you both!

[@DesktopBodybuilding]

The daddy everyone wants & the daddy that everyone needs in 1 podcast 💯

[@DesktopBodybuilding]

Okay I feel weird being a grow man calling them “daddy” but DAMN this is a cool combo of human 👌🏼

[@Nobo_On_The_Rocks]

Chris is such a great listener. You see people who have tasted 1/10th of his success and can't have the patience, to listen and learn. He is like the ideal beast of a being.

[@juandirection8820]

That was so awesome! Really cool to see JP asking questions and trying to understand bodybuilding. And honestly I always liked CBum and thought he seemed like a cool guy, but I gained a lot of respect for him watching this. He's very clearly a really emotionally intelligent guy and is a great role model for young guys, and I thought it was so awesome how he was familiar with Jordan's content and used this as an opportunity to pick his brain. I have to finish the Derek video, but as a big fan of both guys this one hit different. It seemed like Jordan clicked with CBum really well to me and it was just overall a great conversation. Two great role models here, I hope a lot of young men are able to see this.

[@AutumnJames-jo2wd]

How is it that JBP can pull me into his thought process and the conversation with absolutely fierce curiosity even though I wasn’t 100% convinced that I was interested or that it was relevant in anyway? I love this man, truly I am so grateful for JBP- life is just better with him in it, with his pursuit of what is good and right, I think that I’ve become a better thinker, a better student and a better teacher, thank you Mr. Peterson! 👏👏

[@rajivopon9667]

No one was expecting this! Such a wonderful gift today. Thank you Dr. JBP 🙏

[@richardkis1613]

"Laughing at someone at the gym is like laughing at a patient going to the hospital" - I heard this from one of my friends years ago, it helped me a lot to get through the anxiety in the gym

[@juandirection8820]

Derek and CBum in one week is amazing! Love seeing this crossover

[@Gasoba_T]

Greatness in one video.

[@dRb33f]

I've been waiting to watch this interview with Chris. Two great people coming together from such vastly different lives, amazing to listen to.

[@mr.awesome2755]

I literally talked about this interview last week and now it’s here I’m so happy

[@luanluk3908]

That's the best crossover ever for me. I consider jbp has a mentor and Chris is the goat in modern bodybuilding.

[@rankyeller]

GD imagine Chris's position in this interview. One of the most respected men in the world telling you how amazing you are and how much JP is praising you! That's the purest form of validation.😊

[@mikerussell2590]

46: minute, security doesn't make you brave brave is the decision to confront things integrity is the foundation great conversation here!

[@johnniebarker9746]

Eleven minutes in and Jordan shows his intelligence and that he’s a great interviewer. I love and know bodybuilding and few people can interview in an area they r not familiar with

[@jonahgormley2578]

Cbum explaining to Jordan Peterson what bulking and cutting is the best thing ive seen all week

[@amadeuscrossing7061]

Doc, you are doing some really pivotal work with these conversations. Thank you

[@williamalberto4284]

This was a great great podcast. Chris seems like a really genuine and thoughtful guy and Dr Peterson great as always.

[@spaak3465]

This song has put a tear in my eye on more than one occasion, thanks for putting up another great version of it!

[@can_you_hear_the_voices]

The collab I was not expecting, Chris been collaborating with a lot of my podcast recently

[@leodesforges161]

The Canadians Canada needs.

[@kellenclark6853]

Love when this podcast branches out to successful people in different fields, keep up the great work!

[@tihigreen]

Loved this interview with Chris! Thank you Dr. Peterson!

[@jasonpike3375]

Two great Canadians. So great to see this chat!

[@woahwoah2207]

This conversation was awesome. Two incredible role models for young men!

[@hypedupoutdoors4126]

I don’t think I’ve ever sat down and raw dogged a 2hr podcast before, good work gentleman.

[@MortalFrogArt]

"raw dogged" "good work gentlemen"

[@jeffsirname]

As mentioned in Full Metal Jacket (I think) "It's the duality of man, the Jungian thing Sir!" ​@@MortalFrogArt

[@jonathanfildes220]

That's so true about being honest, especially when doing public speaking. A lot of people put on an 'act' when they speak publicly, but what I find, being a teacher, I just be honest. If something goes wrong or something unexpected arises, I let my students or whoever I'm speaking to publicly know about it and how it has affected whatever it is I'm speaking about or doing. Additionally, I always let my students know that I am human and if I do make a mistake, I encourage them to tell me about it as long as they are respectful.

[@mathiasvc9213]

I can listen for 8 hours straight to this conversation. =)

[@redneckrevolt1]

“Jamie, pull up Chris Bumstead vs a bear!”

[@mayorrodgers7446]

This is so cool to me. I appreciate JP so much and have followed him for a while now. As an amateur bodybuilder I'm a huge fan of CB. It's cool seeing these worlds come together and hear JP interview from a perspective of one learning from scratch

[@user-ng6zu5bx1x]

I've been watching JP regularly for years, this is one of my favorite interviews.JP masterfully brought out Chris's journey that does nothing but invigorate the human spirit

[@arentakaishi710]

I realized something profound within me as I was listening to this podcast; just like Cbum and other great people-I want to strive for greatness, achieve milestones, and climb the highest mountains, but what speaks to my heart the strongest is to someday be the best father and husband I can be. Nothing grand about it, nothing special really, but it is something virtuos that a part of me is truly seeking for.

[@SaiPai]

Two of my favorite people from two different world together.

[@basedwolf]

CBum is so relatable he’s not afraid to admit struggle and vulnerability especially in his relationship. Real man.

[@kylecoolidge1622]

I'm loving these interviews lately. Matt rife, Derek from mpmd, Bumstead. I never expected these guys to be on here. But I'm glad it happened.

[@theadventuresofbruceleeand4701]

Love this!!! And what a surprisingly good dynamic this interview had 🙌

[@AlezZzandro]

I feel like Dr. Peterson and Mike Mentzer would've had one of the best podcasts about bodybuilding

[@bradfordmcdermott2063]

Absolutley and Jordan also would help mike with letting go the 1980 mr. Olympia.

[@JonathanLopez-xv6fx]

One of the most influential and greatest minds of a generation having a conversation with Jordan Peterson. Amazing.

[@patrickmcconnell3198]

This one is a podcast a HALL OF FAME ENTRY God bless these two 🙏

[@lailikrumm]

Just came from the gym, where I spent time teaching my sisters kids and getting a workout in. Loved the energy of sharing knowledge, and now listening to this conversation keeps that happiness fueled.

[@metorphoric]

Wow! What an amazing collab! NEver thought I’d see this ever! C Baum is the dude!

[@michaelselz3389]

Now THIS is the collab I thought I’d never see but I MUST WATCH❤❤❤❤

[@jayeshbohra383]

Thankyou Cbum for inviting Dr JP on your POD!

[@TheKitty1952]

Good interview; so young to be a mentor to others. He will be a great influence on many. I wish him, his wife and future baby girl many blessings

[@brandipeterson7144]

I like the sound of his voice. I hear the lisp. But it’s not irritating. Its charming. He definitely doesn’t have anything to worry about. The best heroes in fiction have a noticeable flaw. But that flaw adds to his character. You could say it’s an asset.

[@mimino40]

Jordan, please interview Dorian Yates - the former 6x Mr Olympia from UK. Having followed your work over the years, I feel Dorian's life story has a lot of depth, and could make for a great interview spanning several aspects of his life ( losing a patriarch early, discovering purpose in a youth detention center, becoming world's #1 bodybuilder, post-retirement depression, reinventing himself late in life). I find Dorian to be one of the most honest, intelligent and articulate bodybuilder and I feel he would appreciate the opportunity to speak with you, too.

[@jcbanbury]

Maybe he's not interested. I've seen Yates on a podcast before, comes across as a bit narcissistic

[@Faithjewel35]

I loved how Chris knows so much about JP he was so prepared. Great podcast.

[@YourTechGerman]

Came here after the instagram post, reading all the negative comments on Peterson and his opinions... I gotta say, I don't know much about his other views but what he said during this interview is perfectly reasonable and good advice

[@2hot4u68]

One of the greatest fitness influencers having a nice chat with chris bumstead

[@uliseseduardodominguez2605]

Dos de las personas que más admiro en el mundo 💪👏👏 Dr Jordan no se olvide de Latinoamérica , ojalá podamos seguir viendo sus videos con traducción al español 👏

[@yolosophy]

Thank you for this interview. Two people I admire in their individual domain. This is a therapy session people should not take for granted.

[@elainethomas9532]

I was at Dr. Peterson's 2nd book tour event in Manchester, New Hampshire on Feb. 5th with my son 👍

[@gotama570]

I started becose of the problems whit my posture. I had pain in the neck and shoulders. For me was scary when pain started to go away.For so many years whithout knowing what was wrong i put diferent meanings for the pain and interpreted realy out of any meaning what was going on. Its funy it felt like panick atack but when i understood and memorized all the muscles on my body i begun to feel confident

[@ghostfox3560]

Kind of enjoy the conversations like this one. I like how it is inspirational. Had me thinking of a few ventures and how to motivate myself. Wonderful guest, too.

[@robertovega6573]

Seen someone like Cbum been this open and vulnerable is refreshing. Specially when it comes to mental health and this hyper masculine that’s it’s been pushed, not saying it’s bad or good but this is something different to what male content is at rn. Good for Cbum

[@silaselijah6328]

The two biggest idols collab Thats just amazing!

[@nobu1730]

one thing that i've gotten from this talk is chris has his life figured tf out!

[@igorlopes1222]

This even made me more emotional for some reason there is something beautiful about greatness

[@greenfingers1]

Im 7 minutes in im locked on already. I am privileged to be able to absorb chris’s knowledge . Thankyou chris we love you for you

[@calebgodard4554]

No way! Can't wait for this one. Very unexpected

[@nurahcb]

Insane crossover, love both of these dudes

[@dovydas.dovydenis]

Dr. Peterson, you have my utmost respect and admiration, and I greatly thank you for doing what you do. Please, try to include more questions and talking of the guest of a podcast. That way an attendee can contribute more new ideas and new thoughts to the podcast, and produce more original tilt of conversation. I've been listening to Dr. Peterson for several years now and I believe my suggestion to be useful.

[@globe223]

Love both, Motivation kicks in, lets hit the gym !

[@StephenKing-wb2ve]

This is a collab I never could've seen coming.

[@reubentorres8718]

That was stupendous. Well done, lads. Well done.

[@petesnik1282]

Beautiful talk . Fellow Canadian boy here . Two brilliant Canadians

[@CrackAddictz]

The crossover we needed!

[@TheAzhighwayman]

We will see Jordan on Mr.O stage much sooner than expected

[@jeffsirname]

Six months from now he will have "Bulk Day 16, Push Day" along with twenty bottles of choccy milk in the background 😂.

[@alcami100]

The interview that I'd always waited for

[@drewsmith4315]

One of my favorites I’ve heard in a while. This was an awesome chat

[@Summerof-dh4re]

This is huge for me. Thank you. I am learning to be a project manager at work and feel so inadequate a lot of the time. But I'm progressing and that's all that matters. Thank you