Dr. Paul Mason: STOP eating Fiber!

[@Physionic]

*1 AMENDMENT* AMENDMENT: Someone pointed out that my assertion that pooping more frequently does not necessarily mean improved health. Upon reflection, and with some excellent examples offered to me, I agree - it is incorrect to attribute stool frequency as a necessarily 'good' outcome, so long as a person reaches the minimum frequency for maintaining health. Thank you to Albert Manson for the correction! Nuance, a lost science in KZbin science...

[@JesusGarcia-Digem]

Bro science is real science 😅

[@DarinJP0]

Physionic, the microphone you use to record, has a high-pitched artifact that I can’t not listen to. You should get a new microphone or use editing software to fix that.

[@Physionic]

Thanks for letting me know, Darin. I’ll work on it.

[@Danny-mg1hu]

can you research Taurine?? so far there have been a bunch of videos about it saying we can extend our lifespans with it, about 12%........ and that when we reach elderly years we lost like 60% - 70% of Taurine.

[@Physionic]

I plan on it.

[@deboraconserva785]

Tried 6 months of strict carnivore so no fibre at all. I dreaded every time I had to go to the loo because my stool was so hard to pass it caused me to have some very painful fissures and bleeding. I was eating a LOOOOT of butter and various other fats which made no difference at all for me. Since reintroducing fibre even in higher quantities (30g + per day) constipation is completely gone and my digestion is better than it has ever been. One and done daily, no straining, no bleeding, no pain. Do what works for you, not what others tell you.

[@thalesnemo2841]

Try upping your MAGNESIUM INTAKE as in MAGNESIUM MALATE OR Magnesium bicarbonate

[@learnthrivecompassion422]

@@thalesnemo2841 In addition eat beef fat instead of butter. You want a 2:1 ratio fat to protein.

[@someguyusa]

Did you increase your water intake? Adequate electrolytes or magnesium? Can you define a "LOOOOT" of butter and other fats? Because what you are describing is physiologically impossible unless you were not actually eating enough fats or drinking enough water or having enough of certain electrolytes. If you had zero fiber in your diet, ate a ton of fats and butters, then you should have experienced borderline, if not full-fledged, diarrhea initially. You either vastly miscalculated your intakes or you're just lying.

[@leahparker9033]

That is my experience also.

[@RG-yz8ov]

That's interesting I had the opposite, as you said different people different experiences. Adding some sourcrout may have helped

[@chargermopar]

I don't eat fiber, and have no trouble going to the toilet daily. After almost 40 years meat based I have never had chronic digestive issues.

[@fergusdenoon1255]

yeah, but fluid retention, fatigue, decreased apatite, foamy urine and gout are what you should be looking out for, not digestive issues. it's like saying, I don't suffer from puncture wounds anymore from self harm now that I've stopped using a knife and bought a gun.

[@XxyGoddam]

​@@fergusdenoon1255what fluid retention you're taking about? Fluid goes away almost immediately as you switch to carnivore, in the first few days, that's why ppl are recommended to watch out their electrolytes

[@fugu4163]

@@XxyGoddam The body contains of 70% water and all your guts are drowned in it. Thats the liquid he is talking about.

[@fergusdenoon1255]

@@XxyGoddam It's one of the symptoms of eating too much protein it's kind of the issue with the data that's used by the Doctor in the video, they reduced their fiber intake and got better.... reduced it from what? massive amounts of fiber? an amount of fiber that was obviously the issue in the first place? going to excess in any spectrum is going to cause issues, the issues of going to excess in meat or fiber or carbs, all bring different issues. you may resolve the issues with one by changing to another, but then just bring up a completely new set of issues. balance your diet.

[@AndreAngelantoni]

​@@fergusdenoon1255this comment section is filled with people who went carnivore and they are feeling better than ever. "Balanced" refers to a diet that is largely incorrect for humans.

[@tommyheadlocke7818]

People that have in inadequate amount or array of bacteria in their gut struggle to properly utilise fibre and have all of the issues.

[@justaname999]

yes. this! and then they avoid fiber, which masks the symptoms of the underlying issue and they think they've found the cure for all maladies.

[@someguyusa]

That doesn't change the fact that fiber is still indigestible and primarily only functions to add bulk to stool, which is the ultimate cause of constipation. You will always have to poop fiber out of the body regardless of any minor nutrient gains.

[@ven1483]

@@someguyusa Maybe YOU can't digest some types of fiber, but there are bacteria that can. That's the point the OC thought you already knew.

[@someguyusa]

@@ven1483 The amount of benefit that humans derive from bacteria-based interaction is negligible and entirely unnecessary, and my point that it is primarily functions to add bulk to stool still stands. Strictly speaking, even the NIH recognizes that carbohydrate of any kind is not an essential nutrient for human consumption. At best, a person does not have negative effects with very minor benefits by way of fatty acids gained. At worst, and which is common, are a host of ill effects ranging from constipation to ulcerative colitis and more.

[@HickoryDickory86]

Sorry, but my personal experience makes me side fully with Dr. Mason on this one. See, I have a history of chronically suffering the opposite of constipation. Fiber, regardless of type or source, is an irritant (and effectively an allergen) to my gut. When I consume fiber, I have bloating, gas, cramps, diarrhea, etc. It can get so bad at times that I miss out on travel and/or social engagements because I'm practically housebound for fear of not being able to go to the restroom when I need to. But when I eliminate the fiber, symptoms decrease and eventually disappear altogether. So, regardless of whatever "the science" (i.e., the scientists who interpret the data) says, I have to "go with my gut" on this one and practice what has proven to be best for me and my own health (physical, mental, and emotional).

[@donholmstrom6482]

This was not addressed in the video but my life-long) constipation issues were completely resolved after I followed my new doctor's recommendation to increase my water intake. From age 10 through 60 I had severe constipation and no drugs or (food) diet changes had any impact. Over my lifetime my various diets were sometimes mostly meat and other times high in fruit/fiber but no relief. My long time PCP retired and I saw someone new. He suggested trying to significantly increase my water intake. I increased intake from my lifetime average of about 60-80oz/day to an average of about 150-170oz/day. I made no changes to my food item intake but within a few days my bowel movements went from lifelong of about once every 5 days to about 3 times/day. I have maintained that level of water intake for the past 7 years (except for one short experimental period - see next sentence) with the noted improvement still. As an experiment about two years ago I reduced my water intake back to the approx. 60-80oz level and within a few days my bowel movements began decreasing back to once every few days. That experiment was sufficient demonstration of the positive impact so I resumed 150-170oz consumption and back to my improved bowel situation. One caveat and warning is that all my life I have practiced high intensity aerobic exercises (5 days/week) so my water needs are much greater than the average person. Practice great care when increasing daily water intake to avoid negative impacts of overconsumption.

[@laychyetan7466]

I solved my guts issues with lacto ferments. Following Innuit and mongolian diet with fermented meat or dairy.

[@jg5755]

More water would just make me pee more (a lot more) but wouldn't cure constipation. Increasing my fat intake has been what's helped me, and consuming raw milk and butter made with raw cream.

[@Sundara229]

​@@laychyetan7466 Have you tried lacto-fermented cabbage or picles? Inuits have been shown to have the poorest cardiovascular health amongst indigenous populations, with clogged arteries found in several mummies. Compare that with the Ryukyuan people, who were the longest living population (before the western diet was introduced there) with no artery calcification found in even the oldest individuals.

[@laychyetan7466]

@@Sundara229 ya, bro/sis, my Locale the lowest cost ferments are vege. The first reply was not worded inline with my actions. My protocol is vege lacto ferments first choice then dairy lacto ferments secondary . Meat lacto ferments are not appealing to me and there is no known good recipes in south east Asia. Thanks for the heads up, stay healthy!

[@ms-jl6dl]

So you ate claiming to be drinking ca.5 liters (1,5 gallons) of water DAILY ?!! You are lying - nobody can drink that much water.

[@TheOnlyStonemason]

The 2021 Stanford study indicated that consuming fermented foods were far better for gut health than varied types of fiber.

[@Physionic]

I'll have to check it out and make some content on it - can you send it to my email, Stonemason? Thanks.

[@rashoff]

Sauerkraut, kimchi, kefir and the likes. Way better

[@marynoonan6111]

Fermented foods (ie veggies) ARE fibre

[@odrowsybox5175]

Its probably to better for certain guts. Guts can vary a ton.

[@sabincioflec8413]

@@Physionic I told you about this study 4 months ago i think 😄

[@douglasharrington687]

I truly appreciate how careful you are to respectfully disagree by using facts and not attacking the individual. Dr Mason (like many of us physicians) has a viewpoint he favors and will focus on studies supporting that viewpoint. His intentions are good and he has responded to new data in the past. While I don’t advocate no fiber or carnivore diets, for some people who used those diets, it has been life changing.

[@bluzedogg]

Don't you think there is an optimum human diet? it looks to me like carnivore is the optimum human diet and it will work for everybody because that's how we are supposed to be eating.

[@ItsJordaninnit]

@@bluzedogg Do you have any evidence that a carnivore diet will work for everybody?... I'm not sure how you could make this claim... Especially considering the evidence on high vs low intakes of Red Meat for example...

[@bluzedogg]

@@ItsJordaninnit All human beings are the same animal. diet may vary depending on how close or far away your DNA runs to the equator. it just seems to me that we're all the same animal and we all have the same basic nutritional requirements.

[@ItsJordaninnit]

@@bluzedogg I agree human beings are the same species... And therefore we may have similar nutritional requirements. However, It doesn't follow from this that ALL humans will thrive eating exclusively animal products. Like i mentioned previously - substitution analysis looking at Red Meat vs Plant protein sources - tends to show a reduction in disease. Also when you look at prospective cohort data comparing low vs high meat eaters - lower intakes tends to associate with better health outcomes. Also - if you look at RCTs comparing high vs low meat diets we tend to see favourable changes in biomarkers for the low meat diets (especially Lipid markers).

[@bluzedogg]

@@ItsJordaninnit there's zero research that supports this people will tell you this if they're still afraid that saturated fats bad for you or that eating a diet that might raise your ldl cholesterol is bad for you so then they say well i guess you better eat plant protein then because animal protein often comes with animal fat there's zero research to support this myth and then there's also quite a bit of research about protein absorption protein bioavailability that shows beyond doubt that the human physiology is much more able to absorb and use animal protein than plant protein i'm not saying plant protein is all bad i'm just saying the best available protein out there is not plant protein it's animal sourced protein. these are not my words. here is the video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ7Le2SYosuWb6csi=Pl2CkIZhnnK5dn17 go to the 3:30 mark. peace out.

[@christopherkowalewski]

While we don’t have the details on how much fibre those on a fibre diet were consuming, we can agree that zero fibre solved multiple issues for all participants.

[@megavegan5791]

More like 'masked' the symptoms.

[@unknown-vo3di]

​@megavegan5791 poor you. You are still brainwashed into thinking you need indigestible fiber or you are gonna have constipation 😂. You are just bulking your stool it doesn't give any relief.

[@DrSpooglemon]

@@unknown-vo3di Poor you. You don't know what a microbiome is.

[@olihallam9667]

@@megavegan5791 If by 'masked' the symptoms you mean, all symptoms completely resolved for the participants on 0 fibre and were therefore cured. Then you are completely correct.

[@unknown-vo3di]

@@DrSpooglemon you literally eat man made plants made in the last couple hundred years by cross breeding. Thinking it is required for a healthy gut microbiome 🤣 you probably think garlic is healthy when it destroys bacteria in your gut

[@stroys7061]

I’m ketovore, nearly carnivore, for nearly a year after being keto for about 5 years. Since going very low carbs, hence very low fiber, I stopped taking meds for gerd, which I had been on for over 10 years. Even with the meds I would get some acid reflux. Now, no meds and no acid reflux! I don’t know if the fiber had anything to do with it, but before I went on meds (nexium) my reflux felt like a heart attack in the middle of the night. It would wake me up and keep me up all night. Now - zero refux, zero pain, and at 73 I feel great.

[@rayzerot]

Have you lost weight since going ketovore? Weight loss can cure GERD regardless of diet change depending on what is causing the GERD

[@wendyamsterdam8482]

My GERD was caused by barley, which is added to a lot of bread. So going keto would have fixed it but instead I just read food labels so I don't have to restrict my diet

[@OldFArt-gx9fh]

I completely agree with Dr Mason having completely eliminated fibre from my diet and feeling better, no bloating and still regular.

[@Noegzit]

Masais and Inuits didn't eat a lot of fibers either and they were perfectly healthy. So all this fiber propaganda is probably just a narrative to make us eat still more plant foods. If fibers look good in epidemiology it's due to the fact than people who eat a lot of vegetables and fruits (and thus fibers) tend to eat less ultra-transformed food.

[@olafkunert3714]

@@Noegzit "Masais and Inuits didn't eat a lot of fibers either and they were perfectly healthy. " Really? Innuit were perfectly healthy? Massai do not eat fibers?

[@Noegzit]

@@olafkunert3714 Yes exactly, Masais used to eat only blood, milk and meat. No fibers in that. And about Inuits living in the frozen arctic just think about that : how could have they survive there without being healthy? You could read "The fat of the land" from Vilhjalmur Stefansson if you want to learn more about what they used to eat. Of course, now they have access to sugar, alcohol, refined flour and seed oils they are particularly unhealthy... Fibers are indigestible, so if you don't eat a lot of fibers or even no fibers at all you won't miss a lot. You'll have a shift in you microbiome and just produce less poop and less gas.

[@Diss-jd2un]

yeah Inuits are the most healthy individuals on the planet, what kills some of them early is the extreme place they live, extreme cold they take it@@olafkunert3714

[@hrobb8895]

High fiber diets tend to induce frequent bowel movements, but the goal is not to increase the frequency of bowel movements, which can be rough on the colon. The goal is to have easy bowel movements, regardless of how often you make them. Reducing fiber and increasing fat in the diet leads to less frequent but easy bowel movements.

[@sandraolson8635]

Exactly right

[@rayzerot]

I've had the easiest poops of my life since I changed to a high fiber diet. I'll never go back

[@uberneanderthal]

exactly, more is not better. it just means you're consuming more stuff that your body doesn't need or want, and has to do extra work to expel.

[@vlad-cl4on]

@@rayzerot soluble or insoluble?

[@vlad-cl4on]

what tipe of fat? saturated unsaturated?

[@flameace]

When I read that study, I stopped eating fiber rich foods. And stopped having gas and severe constipation. I'm not exactly having one bowel movement per day, sometimes there's one or two days between bowel movements, but then it doesn't feel like being full of it, I would guess that without that much fiber there just isn't that much stuff to push out. And I have tried increasing fiber - It Did Not Work, quite opposite.

[@dekyor9547]

Interesting because I experience the opposite. On 80 grams of fiber s day I poop twice a day

[@sebk174]

​@@dekyor9547it's not a sign of health if you poop 2 times a day.

[@sleepingrogue4130]

Do you eat any fiber at all?

[@WeighedWilson]

Fiber works with water. You need both together. It's like eating 3 saltine crackers. You can't get them down without water.

[@justanother240]

More fiber = more poop. Maybe some people just enjoy pooping.

[@jhoughjr1]

Have crohns and SBS so I avoid fiber no matter how many normies insist it’s good for me. I don’t need the torture.

[@lostpianist]

low fibre cured my IBS in my 20s, i'm 40 now. sorry to hear about your crohns, hope you're doing well :)

[@hazynpeterson4083]

yup

[@TheStruggler101]

​@@lostpianist Fibre initially made my IBS symptoms worse, but it turned out to be long term poor mental health that was the cause of my IBS. When mental health was no longer an issue, IBS symptoms went away after a few months, and now can eat lots of fibre without issue.

[@lostpianist]

@@TheStruggler101 interesting connection :)

[@charlesfuchs]

Thats why you have probs

[@samuelsmith6804]

Removing fibre from my diet was the single biggest net positive change I have ever made to my health. Real life changing results. Even more so than stopping nicotine and sugar intake. More recently I have changed to a meat only diet, my metabolic health and other autoimmune issues have also improved dramatically. But cutting out the fibre gave me my life back. If anyone is having gut issues, you know how terrible it gets, if you have tried everything else, why not try and see for yourself?

[@josephtaylor6285]

I’m slightly more in the camp with our Australian friend here based on my own experiences, so anecdotal evidence. I’ve been largely carnivore for two years now and have a regular bowel movement daily, usually late morning. I don’t as a rule use caffeine but I do have a decaf with heavy cream first thing and my diet is supplemented with a variety of magnesiums one of which is citrate before bed. I won’t go into pooh details here, but all is satisfactory. I never have gas, bloating or intestinal pain. That said, I’m eager to hear more on this topic because like everything about our body, IT’S COMPLICATED! I really appreciate the work you do here. Challenging even the new information is important. Thanks for all you do.

[@dragonofhatefulretribution9041]

Magnesium isn’t necessary. Just up your saturated fat intake if you have any issues with stool consistency, constipation, incontinence etc.

[@josephtaylor6285]

@@dragonofhatefulretribution9041 my mag reveal was just for full disclosure truthfully. I take the the array of magnesium for other processes in my body. You can definitely tell when you haven’t had enough fat on Keto that’s for sure. Thanks for reaching out.

[@kylek3852]

The reason why some people benefit from going carnivore is because those people have dysbiosis in their gut microbiome, usually from so past usage of antibiotics. This causes fibre that you have to just create huge inflammation rather than beneficial effects it does in normal people. Look into "floxxed" and Fecal microbiota transplant (FMT).

[@fergusdenoon1255]

Id say that the issue with this type of anecdotal narrative is that it's addressing an issue with specific symptoms and disregarding the possible repercussions of an alternative, being a carnivore is not linked to any of these issues, being a carnivore is linked to a whole load of other issues, so nobody is expecting you to have these issues if you're a carnivore. going to another extreme, will bring with it... other issues. pretty much the only symptoms that's shared between the two is dehydration, and reduced apatite, too much protean doesn't have gut problems in its list, too much fiber doesn't have fatigue and gout, foamy urine and fluid retention on its list.

[@josephtaylor6285]

@@fergusdenoon1255 I’d say that carnivore doesn’t have a problem of foamy urine, gout or water retention either all of which are symptoms related to kidney damage that have nothing to do with carnivore diets. Protein as a cause of kidney damage has been long ago disproven.

[@bw7057]

I’ve worked as a healthcare worker for 30 years. When we upped fibre in our patients following a doctors script, the fibre constipated them regardless of how much fluid we pushed. Some also became impacted. Reduce and or remove and they were able to evacuate their bowels. Supplementing with fibre is a waste of money, we’re not designed to consume bark of plants. It’s best to consume your fibre via the greens you eat.

[@joel6427]

My experience supplementing Fibre completely contradicts your observation. I suspect your patients did not drink the fluids you pushed on them. Many people won't drink anything unless it is sweet.

[@simonround2439]

I can confirm that in my case study of one, a low fibre diet has resolved all of my gut issues. Dr Mason put me on to this way of eating and I am prfoundly grateful to him.

[@desmondo7042]

he has no probs backing himself scientifically a man to trust

[@sjglaze3]

Me too. Years of pain and agony gone when I gave up ALL fiber. No more constipation.

[@elphi9445]

can confirm this as well!!

[@stx7389]

Thats because, 1. Your gut is already very bad state 2. You didnt drink enough water 3. No 3rd option

[@trail.blazer]

@@stx7389 Then why is my gut now good, with almost zero fiber? I also drank heaps when I had constipation and that never helped. Stopping fiber was nothing less than miraculous. Maybe it is not so much about 'gut in very bad state' but maybe different people respond differently to different diets. Some cope with fiber and others don't. My mother eats a high fiber diet, has bowel issues swapping between diarrhea and severe constipation, also has diverticulitis. My wife is vegetarian and regularly has constipation. I'm almost exclusively carnivore and never have a problem. When I was vegetarian/vegan I had IBS. It was worst when vegan.

[@lowcarbRD]

I agree with Mason in the sense that at dietitian school we're told more fibre is unequivocally better in all cases when the science does not show that.

[@smiles2spare]

Dietitians are trained like doctors by schools taking money from big pharma, so they basically become agents of big pharma unless they retain their scientific curiosity and are willing to buck the system.

[@Oblisk]

I’ve been on a carnivore diet in the past. I was able to get rid of the bloating and digestive issues after a couple months. But… I was dogmatic with my views as keto and carnivore was my entry into the health space. I then opened my mind and looked at the revolving studies around the gut microbiome and the importance it plays on that whole body. I then started implementing a pro-pre biotic supplement, and saw even further improvements in my overall digestion. Then I started to add small amounts of fiber from fruits and vegetable. I did get bloating and gas at the beginning, but slowly ramped up how much I was eating. I also exchanged the probiotic supplement for home made water kefir, which also helped with the overall digestion with the new fibers, providing the proper beneficial microbes to break down these foods. I started feeling more energetic and less bloated and left overall more satisfied with my diet. I haven’t measured how much fiber I consume daily, but I’d say I’m getting around 30-40 grams of fiber a day and have little to no digestion issues and have seen increases in my overall mental functioning when it comes to focus and sense of well being. I think when it comes to fiber, if people have messed up microbiomes from previous diets including hyper palatable processed foods and from other negative lifestyle factors, any fiber will feed whatever good and bad bacteria within your gut. And for most people, there’s more bad bacteria already in the first that will over react to these fibers resulting in negative effects rather than the beneficial ones that we get from some strains that produce short chain fatty acids. This is all speculation but it would make sense.

[@keen2461]

Yes, your comment makes a lot of sense.

[@LifeIsThePrayer]

Agreed. A lot of things can mess up the gut microbiome but we are not taught to look for the cause of either diarrhea or constipation. We are just told to treat the symptoms. Even if I did know that the diarrhea when taking antibiotics was a manifestation of microbe die off I would not know the extent of the damage nor the species most negatively impacted. People have also healed some pretty serious gut issues with the proper use of soluble and insoluble fibre.

[@Zale180]

Do all the science experiments you want. I was constipated for 10 years or more, didn't see good results until I eliminated the fiber. I'm far more happy without the fiber now

[@KrzysztofC-1]

Some studies (mentioned in the gut health video I posted in the other comment) of people with healthy gut biome did show no change after they followed no fiber keto diet for a year, so I think fiber has it's place but it's not like we need to constantly feed ourselves with it if we are otherwise healthy.

[@mglamarmd1]

Yes, we are more convinced by our own experience than some study done on people not us. If there are a number of people reporting the same experience, it can inspire a new study to understand the issue better. In the final analysis, you know your body's reactions to foods better than anyone.

[@antoniodesimone4689]

mee too and solved also other guy issues, now Ican eat white pasta and white rice without problem.

[@fmills1583]

Different things for different people.

[@piymhz6775]

Yep, and exactly the opposite for me. Moral of the story ....

[@JuliaCastilloMx]

I stopped fiber 5 years ago, I'm perfectly fine, every time I eat it, I have problems

[@Combinationlock]

It doesn’t matter how much fiber the subjects were initially consuming. Once they removed ‘all’ fiber from their diet, all their symptoms were resolved.

[@wocket42]

Yeah. The logic being: if you have any symptoms when eating fibre, you are not eating enough or eating too much. Yeah, sure.

[@ItsJordaninnit]

He stated in the video that this criticism doesn’t completely invalidate the results of the study. He said he believed the results. It’s just important to point out that the study lacks important information that limits the inferences we can draw from this particular study. It’s also important not to get stuck on studies in isolation and instead look at the overall balance of evidence on a given topic

[@Mallchad]

​@@clarebagsYes. The genetics and studied on that are that which informs us we physically lost the ability to process fibre when we diverged from the great apes and homonids species. Coincidentily this means no human (homo-sapien sapien) on Earth can digest fibre in any capacity. There is some (significant) wiggle room when talking about dairy, gluten, tubers, and other things. Some of this is genetic, some of this is environmental, some of this is environmental triggered genetics. Ruminant meat seems to have a very high tolerance in 99% of humans but it difficult to test because it requires a large scale experiment of people eating nothing but meat... (whilst being locked in a lab)

[@GoldenBlaisdale]

@@ItsJordaninnitquite good and read the study which sites 23 other studies that back it up

[@ItsJordaninnit]

@@GoldenBlaisdale I've looked through their references... about half of them conclude that fibre has beneficial effects (which doesn't really back up their results).. One of them concludes that fibre increases bowel mass, another suggests fibre increases gas and bloating... etc. I'm more interested in an overview on all the available research - rather than 23 citations on a single study. If you do an overview - it's clear that fibre is largely beneficial for digestion (but obviously there's nuance to this - and there may be some individuals who would benefit from reducing total fibre or focusing on the TYPE of fibre in their diets)

[@tom-u8k6y]

Fibre made me feel very ill. The best thing i did was cut it out completely.

[@tom7471]

I take in 25 to 35 grams of fiber per day and I have absolutely no bloating, very little gas, and no constipation. So this seems to work for me. I do think we are all very different and would not be surprised if there is great variance between individuals. I read somewhere, I do not remember where, that there was a study that showed in countries where people ate 'high fiber' diets (over 25 grams towards 50 grams) there was far less digestive diseases and problems. Very generalized statement but maybe not to be completely ignored either. Great video as always!

[@shahyawar3709]

How do you feel now

[@goranhemstrom3355]

Totally agree with Dr Mason! Was predominantly vegetarian for 27 years. Was not really a smart move! And stupidly kept following it for so long. Weight fluctuations over all those years and bloating after most fiber rich carb loaded meals. Just thought it was normal. Found a picture of myself from the ‘90’s and thought what did I eat then? Predominantly meat! Switched to Carnivore in late Feb and have easily lost 13kgs, not had a single day of bloating and toilet time is perfectly fine.

[@midwestcarnivore1857]

I would have to agree. I'd also say there are three things I know of that can make toilet time unpleasant, fiber, carbohydrates beyond minimal amounts, and excess dairy.

[@lmwlmw4468]

Exactly, no more, no less...!!!

[@bobomonkey702]

Yep I was a vegan for over 10 years and now carnivore 😮😂. Finally I’m not in pain. Fiber was killing my gut. I wish I would have knew earlier in life.

[@yodamaster757]

I’m an omnivore

[@jaska-jalmarixvi5757]

lmfao

[@catcan221]

As plant based, whole foods advocate for years, I believed the need for fiber. Eating fiber and veggies all the time, I suffered from painful gas, bloating. gallbladder sludge and stones, GERD, IBS, constipation and hemorrhoids. It was not until this last year that through an elimination diet to try to discover why my gut was so messed up. I discovered that fiber really is a lie. I now have reversed all of the above symptoms by eliminating fiber. I eat the correct amount of protein and fat and have perfect, daily bowel movements. Yes, if you want to heal and can ignore all the plant-fiber dogma, then give it a try. Apparently, my microbiome is healthy and thriving without the log jams caused by fiber.

[@catcan221]

@christopherl4249 I have read that misinformation before. Blue zones have been debunked and Atkins slipped on the ice, hit his head and died from a head trauma.

[@MrSidReal]

​@christopherl4249 oh gosh, another claiming dr atkins died of a heart attack and not that he slipped on ice and suffered a traumatic head injury. You've been fooled

[@rahulrahul_awsjunkie]

@christopherl4249- “blue zone”? Watch videos of Ryan Investigates multiple parts on blue zone “scam” :) It’s debunked like multiple times. The main source of their food had always been pork.

[@justaname999]

"dogma" ... sure.

[@rahulrahul_awsjunkie]

@christopherl4249 - Look for the video from “Ryan Investigates” in so-called “plant based” blue zone.

[@TheBushMaster]

On the contrary to a lot of the comments on this video, my experience is the opposite. I never used to eat fibre at all. I had IBS, was in hospital with diverticulitis once, had frequent stomach cramps and pain, bloating and bad constipation. I started adding various fibre supplements to my diet, started eating nuts, seed, berries, vegetables and fruits. Now I never get IBS, diverticulitis, pain, bloating or cramps. I poo much more easily and never have constipation.

[@cassclare]

Yes but what were you eating though. If you are eating bread and cheese, chicken breast and veggies and not enough water or fat... it will absolutely cause constipation. If you eat low residue ( ie; butter, fatty fish, fatty red meat, rugs etc) you would not need fiber supplements.

[@TheBushMaster]

@@cassclare No I already eat those things. You just read one word constipation. Go back and read again. Fibre (prebiotic fibre) feeds the good bacteria in the gut and improves gut health, adds bulk to the stool by absorbing water as it passes through the digestive system make it easier to pass. Improving your gut health means food gets digested better so that it does not cause leaky gut, IBS etc.

[@Jayla-dj2gj]

Once your immune system/ gut is messed up you aren't able to take in much fiber. It's not that fiber is bad just that some people can't tolerate it and others can eat a ton of it no problem. I know my gut is messed up and I only eat small amounts or I get symptoms. My mom has eaten beans every day for decades and has no bloating or constipation. I think we need to ask why do we have bacterial overgrowths when eating fiber what is it that keeps bacteria in check and how is this system broken.

[@che4840]

H pylori and candida might affect fibre sensitivity

[@dionysusnow]

Bingo! it's a dysbiosis.

[@jennysiepka9900]

good point

[@Murgot73736]

Fiber is still non essential and you can’t breakdown the fiber one bit. What is the uplift of having to pass large stools often vs small ones not so often on a carnivore diet? The body takes up more or less every bit of the meat and fat and the only residue is bacteria and epithelial cells. Daily of when needed. Big volume stools just put pressure on your colon. I’ll bet that is the road to diverticula disease.

[@kriswalker3275]

As I understand, just because you're uncomfortable doesn't mean we should stop eating it. It might be something healing the gut and taking intake slowly and gradually but it's very helpful to health in the long run. I've improved my ability to take it in and I didn't think I could do I don't regret that.

[@birgittabirgersdatter8082]

Digestion is an essential part of life, it should not hurt. If you have digestive pain, there is something wrong. If some food is causing you pain, it is doing you some harm.

[@MartinBahls]

what a weird logic....would you say the same for anything that is NOT promoted by the mainstream/big pharma? how about heroin? or alcohol? "well, first a single beer would make me drunk, but now i can drive to work after a couple shots of vodka. i´ve just improved my ability to drink heavily in the mornings..." - see how that makes no sense whatsoever?

[@WeighedWilson]

I had bloating and gas when I started eating more fiber (30-40g daily). But my system adjusted after a few weeks and now my guts work way better with easier, regular bm's.

[@ScarlettRayvyn]

I had diarreha, gas, and irritable bowel issues my whole life. I tried a low fiber diet and that didn't stop issues. When I went to high fiber with particular attention to insoluble fiber it changed my life. No diarreha in over a year and half so far. I did find originally that when had higher amounts if soluble as opposed to insoluable fiber it caused more constipation issues. But when really focused on a bigger amount of insoluble it's been a miracle.

[@CAM-fq8lv]

My experience too

[@suley951]

I also started having worse and worse contipation through the years. What solved it was prebiotic fibre consumption. I started focusing on foods that have prebiotic fibres and supplementing with prebiotic fibre and it has been a game changer for me.

[@JonathanHilierChannel]

Well I had no issues beside messy poop that meant I had to wipe forever... I started taking two teaspoons of psyllium husk a day and now I have the famed "no wipe" poops.

[@jamescalifornia2964]

All fiber is not created equal ... 😌✨️

[@ArmadilloGodzilla]

Worse and worse constipation. Switched to carnivore, back to normal in two weeks. Such a relief.

[@RENATTAPRUNEDA]

I have being per 18 months carnivore, zero carbs , and not fiber , and Is incredible!! No gas, no constipation, of course I have to eat my amount of fat to dont have problems in stool, really the best time of my life!! I feel Superwoman!!!!

[@Physionic]

Good!

[@ayasugihada]

Do we have studies on Westerners that have been on ketogenic diet & sustained ketosis for 20, 30, 40 years? Or is the diet sort of experimental in this sense?

[@jaroslav6109]

I have to admit, I do have a bit of a problem to "trust the science" after past three years, but I do trust my body. 100% carnivore since 2017 and never felt better.

[@lenguyenngoc479]

@@ayasugihada We have the Inuit people practiced it for 8000 years. Yet almost none of them is able to get into ketosis because their bodies simply don't allow it. Almost like natural selection against a specific trait for survivability of the whole group is a thing. Oh....

[@mathfaster]

@@ayasugihada Since the ketogenic diet was developed for epilepsy in the 1920''s it has been around for almost 100 years. An epileptic diet is 90% fat/10% protein. That macro ratio has shown some growth issues for young epileptics due to low protein. Modern keto diet is much higher protein levels.

[@insertname9554]

I'm happy for both the doctor, you, and the comments here providing diverse anecdotes on the topic. Amazing channel

[@PardieDiem]

I don't need a study to tell me after a life long struggle with constipation, that the more fiber I ate, the more constipated I got. It took me a lifetime to figure it out. I will believe the opposite of everything the powers that be tell me. Thank you Dr Paul Mason!!

[@jevvf3246]

Cheerios are not a good source of fiber

[@attila2946]

I really got the opposite effect, no fiber = hard to poop. Shit sticks like glue. With allot of fiber = poop easy.

[@PardieDiem]

@@attila2946 HaHa tell like it is!

[@mq1995]

@@attila2946 but are you eating properly? you should be eating enough fat so the excess fat which is not absorbed by the body goes out with the poop, softening it.

[@trail.blazer]

@@attila2946 Not enough fat in your diet.

[@scottylew]

When I went off fibre, my stools were better, constipation went away, bloating went, haemorrhoids, acid reflux went to zero and gas radically reduced.

[@Tarbloodkeep]

Exactly that!

[@jamesmcbeth4463]

Me = complete opposite

[@hazynpeterson4083]

my hemorrhoids went away to with animal based....occasional blueberrys makes me not 100% carnivore

[@davidzee641]

A food elimination diet certainly can benefit you if you were allergic to something or intolerant. Slowly add back foods if you are unhealthy diet like carnivore and stop eating the one that causes a problem.

[@PeterStinklage]

Do you mean eliminating fiber supplements or eliminating all fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, and grains?

[@markcolaci5825]

Personally, feeling better on lower fiber, and more of a carnivore diet. Gas has gone away as well. i’m sure fiber works for some people, but it is does not work for me.

[@cheriseelliott9230]

Since going carnivore my digestive system is happier than it’s ever been-no more bloating and gas. After a routine colonoscopy, the Dr. said, “Your colon is pristine. I’ll see you in ten years.” Meanwhile, my vegetarian husband had to have several pre-cancerous polyps removed and needs to be monitored more closely. My vegetarian mother has IBS and other gut issues, which keep getting worse. I realize that three people do not constitute a proper scientific study, but as someone who’s been vegetarian, carnivore, and in between, my personal experience is that I feel better eating meat. Blood work and other health markers (triglycerides, blood pressure, etc.) are also all improved since eliminating most fiber from my diet. Maybe it’s not for everyone, but it’s working for me. 🥩 💪🏼 😊

[@lindabirmingham603]

I applaud you for having the strength of character to go Carnivore and not allowing the opinions of family members to control you!

[@enzogaibisso9691]

Awesome!! Your are correct. Been carnivore for about 5 years now. Love it

[@dekyor9547]

Fiber has actually been shown to lower triglycerides and blood pressure. Probably not cause and effect what you experienced. And you probably have out of whack LDL levels which is also a risk factor for heart disease.

[@dekyor9547]

Talking about anecdotes. Pre cancerous polyps and IBS may have nothing to do with their current diet, and even less if they haven't been vegetarian for many years.

[@profd65]

Unless you were morbidly obese before going carnivore and the carnivore diet caused you to lose a ton of weight, your blood pressure and cholesterol haven't improved.You're lying. Also, red meat consumption raises one's risk of colon cancer.

[@JamesJansson]

I got a cardiovascular disease* diagnosis at 38 (family history, but 'good' cholesterol control). The cardiologist wanted me to go from a healthy 2.2mmol LDL down to below 1.8mmol. I researched dietary interventions, and legumes appear to have the greatest impact on CVD and all cause mortality. I started eating the equivalent of 100g dry (400g cooked) lentils daily and exercising a bit more. My cholesterol is now 1.7mmol. Recommendation if you want to cook lentils from scratch (dry): always soak them for 5 hours to avoid the gas and bloating and intestinal pains. *50% stenosis in the left anterior descending artery in the first diagonal. Mild CVD, but still worrying so young.

[@VolkyHaus]

Didn’t have a single gram of fiber since starting Carnivore more than two years ago, and my digestive tract has never been happier.

[@VolkyHaus]

No plants at all

[@VolkyHaus]

@D.von.N at the moment, im taken supplement for that because I suffered a stroke and a heart attack a year ago caused by my 13 years vegan, so the dr told me to take suplent for now.

[@VolkyHaus]

@@D.von.N amazon

[@WeighedWilson]

You went carnivore 2 years ago. You had a heart attack one year ago. And you think it was the 13 years vegan prior that caused the heart attack? Sounds dubious.

[@PercyJackson93]

Sounds like your doing something wrong on the carnivore diet if you got a heart attack after a year of it. What other than meat do you eat?

[@cyndimanka]

I haven’t had fiber in 15 months. It’s very constipating you can’t digest it prevents absorption of important nutrients.

[@___Anakin.Skywalker]

You need to drink lots of water with it. I take 2 satchets daily to control my stomach acids

[@allenemersonn1227]

As a Dairy herdsman over a good bit of my life, I realized in my 20's that animal nutrition was much better understood than human nutrition, and I'm talking the 1970's here. Find a copy of "Feeds and Feeding" published by Morrison, first published in 1917 and updated regularly after that. One issue that I think is very important, based on my personal experience in feeding cattle of all ages as well as my own diet, is the need to understand the time it takes for the microbiome to adjust and normalize to whatever the foodstock is. Changes to the foodstock can cause profound changes in the microbiota. Stabilization of the microbiota must certainly take some days or weeks and must be considered as very important. Keeping a certain "consistency" in my diet has been important to minimize things like bloating and discomfort. My staple is legumes, not grains, and should I make a switch from one to the other there will be some noticeable issues until my system normalizes. If I throw in the occasional day of travel, for instance, where grains are about all that is available, I will have issues, not severe in any way but I will notice them for sure.

[@cublau]

Great comment! And there seem to be interindividual differences in humans as well as in animals. Most horses do very well on oats, some get crazy. I‘m slim and fit on quite a lot of carbohydrates, others seem to get brainfog and other issues. Nutrition is no religion. To me the biggest problem seems to be (ultra)processed food.

[@Simlatio]

My own experience agrees with you. I did dietary changes while extrapolating the experiences of other eating beans, where the sudden addition of beans causes dietary upset which subsides in time with regular consumption. I have been eating core foods daily for the last few years that a sudden shift to causes dietary distress, but after eating them daily I don't experience anything I would consider distressing that isn't preceded recently by sharp dietary changes. For reference these core daily foods of mine are whole grain and grain fibre products, vegetables, fermented foods and dairy. I feel like the missing link for humans in your belief is that we recently lost the concepts of seasonal and regional availability in our diets, which naturally created this dietary consistency.

[@randymiller2460]

"Overblowing the importance of fiber." No pun intended.

[@BaresarkSlayne]

Increased stool frequency IS NOT the same thing as cessation of constipation. Constipation is stools that are hard, dry, or lumpy, difficult or painful to pass, or a feeling that not all stool has passed. Also in there is fewer than 3 stools a week. Increasing trips to the bathroom beyond that is not an "improvement". Yes, if you put more stuff you can't digest into your diet, you go to the bathroom more. The study Mason talks about is interesting, but you are correct in that it's not a well designed study. At the end of the day though, considering every participant suffered from a lot of symptoms, the fact that all symptoms of the zero fiber diet ceased, that is actually damning in it's scope. I get it, the study could be better, but the results of the zero fiber diet are insanely good. Maybe they didn't change anything else about their diet except fiber, or maybe they did. But not being sure is not the same as assuming they made other changes. This is one of those videos that is like, "I'm gonna toe the line and talk only about the science", but you literally discussed nothing else about the other studies that show benefits in fiber. You spent more time discussing what you didn't like about the one study then you did about all the other studies combined, you simply showed results. This also in the face the Paul Mason didn't hold this study up as the end all be all, but he did say that he follows the logic of that study with his patients and has seen large improvements in his own patient population who have issues with constipation. I probably eat about 10 grams of fiber a week, and my movements are consistently good. This coming off of a having constipation issues and trying to solve them with a high fiber diet. I used to eat 60 grams of fiber per day. I ended up with little more than extremely hard and large stools, and ultimately ended up with a hemorrhoid issue that has followed me for years. And once you have a bad hemorrhoid issue, no amount of dietary change makes a difference. No matter how easy my bowel movements are, I am still left with discomfort. I only wish I stopped eating fiber a lot sooner.

[@2xSundays]

The amount of expertise and effort you put into your videos combined with your humility makes you such a valuable scientific resource. Thank you!

[@thomassaddul]

His expertise is wrong. The human digestive system is for eating meat just like a lion. This is the reason our stomach dont digest fiber.

[@justaname999]

@@thomassaddul No, that is not true. You do realize that cows cannot technically digest cellulose, which is what grass is made of. They have bacteria that help them. We have that too. If you mess up your microbiome, sure, you can ignore it by evading the issue (carnivore diet) but a better approach is understanding how the absolutely vast majority of the world's human population going back tens of thousands of years has been eating both meat and plants (more like half a million years if we're stopping at just h. sapiens and not going back further) Whoever told you that your digestion can only handle meat is nuts

[@anomalousdelirium]

@@thomassaddul But there's alot of people who are healthy with plant / fiberous diet. What is the answer for that ?

[@thomassaddul]

@@anomalousdelirium Healthier for a short term. Nutrients from meat are essential to humans. Carbs and fiber are not.

[@rob2848]

I am a strong adopter of the Adkins and Keto diet. But my early breakfast of a simple bowl of oats really seems to get my bowel going.

[@kevonmason6140]

It doesn't matter how much fibre or what type of fibre some participants were consuming, the important point is that those eating ZERO fibre had absolutely no issues. That's clear reliable evidence to me.

[@Sundara229]

I don't think it is. People (especially in developing countries) usually don't have issues on fiber rich diets. So what if fiber only becomes a problem if you already are preconditioned, like having specific bacteria in the "wrong place", and is otherwise essential for a healthy gut? My father had a Helicobacter presence in this upper GI tract, which caused him problems (bloating, cramps) when eating fruits. After taking anti-biotics for a while, he could eat these fiber rich fruits again. Without going into specifics and conditions of these patients, the results don't tell you anything conclusive. Like, yeah, you might want to avoid the sun after getting sun-burned, but you'll probably develop other problems (like myopia) if you don't go out ever again.

[@WeighedWilson]

"I stopped adding oil to my engine and eventually the leak disappeared!" You didn't fix the leak, you ran out of oil!

[@rahulrahul_awsjunkie]

@@WeighedWilson- yeah a thriving community of animal based dieters aka consuming negligible fiber have all ran out of oil. :)

[@cenofwarable]

Since i went carnivore two years ago ive fixed my chronic constipation, hemorrhoids, and heartburn that ive had since i was a teen. 33 now. I owe alot to dr Paul for bringing carnivore as an option to my attention. Its changed my life for the better. All this to say. Im doing better now with a zero fiber/ zero carb diet on every metric then i ever did with it.

[@Physionic]

I'm glad you're feeling better.

[@ioodyssey3740]

@@Nicksonian HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

[@AncestralFuel]

@@Nicksonian African tribes that subsist almost entirely on animal foods have been studied extensively by Dr Weston Price in the 70s and found to be mostly free of heart disease. There is not a single study that proves that heart disease is caused by consuming the primary meat-based diet that the Homo genus has evolved eating for the last 2 million years. The “red meat is bad for you” is a fabricated story, which gets its power from the economic incentives of Big Medical. Big Food and Big Pharma. We are eating less and less meat and we keep getting sicker and sicker. Money is being made as you are stuffed full of carb-laden plant material and again when you are treated, hospitalized and ultimately buried in an early grave.

[@cenofwarable]

@@hugomd2718 make sure to get enough fat and greatly limit or eliminate dairy. If you are having constipation on carnivore it's probably dairy related.

[@cenofwarable]

@@Physionic thank you. I think your critique of Dr Mason and the studies he mentioned are well thought out. I think in general we need more studies on carnivore. There is a large enough population of carnivores now that I think some good science can be done. There is a real funding problem though since there is no money to be made for the people that normally fund nutrition studies.

[@markb.4247]

Individual variation… I recently switched from a heavy animal product based diet to one with high fiber and extremely low refined carbs. I’ve lost a couple lbs, my vascularity increased, My cholesterol dropped and inflammation reduced significantly. I was waking up with hip pain almost nightly and it has all but stopped. Others will say something equivalent one a meat based diet. Do what works for you, not sure why people would disagree with that.

[@gigih.2169]

I had horrible IBS for years. Went carnivore and my gut issues were healed. Fiber was killing me.

[@adlockhungry304]

How do you know it was fiber specifically?

[@akalion213]

​@@adlockhungry304spoiler alert: they don't

[@JonathanHilierChannel]

I am posting this on multiple comments but I had no digestion issues beside messy poops that made me wipe forever. I started taking two teaspoons of psyllium husk once a day and found it fixed that problem almost immediately. I guess we should all do what works for us: You had a problem, made a change, and fixed it, as did I.

[@AndyMorrisArt]

Opposite experience for me. Fiber Saved My Life!

[@justaname999]

@@JonathanHilierChannel The difference is that yours is a small addition to what is probably still a generally well-balanced diet that helps you by addressing a specific lack. Theirs is evasion of fixing actual symptoms via drastic reduction of nutrients. It's like pulling a muscle and deciding that never stepping on your left leg is fixing the symptoms of pain 100%, so why ever start stepping on that darn left foot again?

[@kevonmason6140]

I tend to agree with Dr Paul Mason. I am a patient of his, and do not eat fibre at all. Issues like constipation are a distant memory.

[@Physionic]

Cool - thanks for sharing!

[@williammckenney3590]

I’ve been eating carnivore for about 15 months, I feel so much better all the way around. I don’t need to go as often, but I am not constipated, I think my digestive system is more efficient. I started out because I heard it would help with my inflammation, turns out that is true for me anyway. No more bloating or gas, is also a great side effect.

[@Eatbutternow]

Cutting out fiber fixed my gut issues in less than a week. I’m convinced that my doctors advise was causing them.

[@AshfaqChataiwala-z7z]

Good Video and good analysis. Very useful. I am on 0 fibre diet for last few years. Eggs and Meat mainly. My gut is 10 times better than what it used to be earlier. No gas, no bloating, no constipation

[@dkeener13]

I've seen both sides of this. On a standard diet, I saw significant improvements in regularity and such, as well as just feeling better generally, when I either made a point of eating more fiber or added a supplement. I switched to a ketogenic diet about a year ago, and while the first few weeks were rough as my gut adjusted, after that my pooping life has truly been better than ever, including over prolonged periods with no fiber whatsoever. The once-per-day versus 3+ times per day observation is spot on in my experience. I think probably the benefit of fiber is somewhat context-dependent, in that it's very helpful if you're digesting a lot of carbohydrate. If you're not, it might be somewhat superfluous.

[@dianavp9054]

Your last sentence - exactly this. If not consuming large amounts of carbohydrates, one may not require fiber to slow digestion and maintain a lower insulin response. No carbs =low insulin. My story is similar to many others here. Lifelong constipation as a carb eater. Dropped the carbs 3 years ago, added normal fats and regular smaller poos. I drink 72+oz water per day, weigh 135# and only get constipated when I don't eat enough fatty meat. Add 1T rendered fat from the meat, or EVOO, and good to go.

[@gregwilson1188]

What about including the 2015 meta-analysis published in the American Journal of Epidemiology entitled: "Association Between Dietary Fiber and Lower Risk of All-Cause Mortality: A Meta-Analysis of Cohort Studies by Yang Yang, Long-Gang Zhao, Qi-Jun Wu, Xiao Ma, and Yong-Bing Xiang. Pretty impressive scientific evidence demonstrating the increased fibre decreases all cause mortality

[@MrAnarchocapitalist]

Upping my fiber intake to 25 - 35 grams per day was a key part of getting rid of my rheumatoid arthritis, which had come with some fairly severe constipation. It was a pattern I noticed right away: no bowel movement meant sharply increased inflammation.

[@wocket42]

With food rotting in the gut, toxins increase and they may cause inflammation. Sounds about right. However, one could also attack the problem by not eating any food that rots in the gut and produces toxins.

[@heksogen4788]

Sounds like psychsomatic issue to me.

[@MrAnarchocapitalist]

@@heksogen4788 Emotional stress doesn't cause every joint in your fingers to swell up to 3 x their normal size, necessitating x-rays to see if there is any joint damage.

[@tom-u8k6y]

@@heksogen4788 Yeah i can't see how fibre solved this. Its an indigestible carb

[@SpookyScarecrow]

@@tom-u8k6yIf you want people to accept your anecdotes why won’t you accept other people’s?

[@ccmusic2249]

I spent 30 years consuming fiber because Drs told me it would solve my gut issues. Every time i would eat it, i would regret it. It produced massive amounts of anxiety with frequency issues being the main concern to the point where i considered leaving my vocational field due to its requiring me to travel. Travel had almost become a deal breaker. On a chance discussion, i decided i had only one option left and that was to cut out every single source of irritants, including fiber. I reduced my diet to nothing but fat and animal protein and now i am essentially 90% healed mentally and physically. It is unlikely that i will ever eat a food item containing fiber again.

[@senorpepper3405]

Millions of peaches 🍑 Peaches for me Millions of peaches 🍑 Peaches for free No peaches for you?

[@gavtex1065]

Well made video. 👍. Nonetheless regarding one of your points or rebuttals re moisture content of stool - From “Fiber and colorectal diseases: Separating fact from fiction” in World Journal of Gastroenterology (2007): “One common but erroneous belief is that the moisture content of stool is increased when fiber intake is increased. The moisture content actually remains at 70% to 75% and does not change when more fiber is consumed. For most fiber substances, increase in quantity does not result in a more effective holding of water in the gut lumen”

[@jeanhofvedvm7589]

As a feline veterinarian, I dealt with many constipated cats... sadly it's a pretty common problem. The standard treatment is to increase dietary fiber. In many cases though, that either doesn't work or makes them worse. Reducing fiber (and thus bulk) and increasing fluid intake (eliminate dry food, feed wet food with a little extra water) was much more effective. Of course, a cat's natural diet is very low in fiber. For us, I think it depends on the microbiome, the duration of the problem (and hence potential damage to the gut walls), hydration, and more--including, as you mentioned, type of fiber. Either more OR less fiber can be right for any individual, or one individual at different times.

[@dragonofhatefulretribution9041]

5 years strict carnivore now. No fibre in 5 years. No problem whatsoever.

[@wigglywrigglydoo]

​@@Nicksonianlol, and you know this how?

[@davidr1431]

@@wigglywrigglydoo And however many years pass without this happening, it will still be "in a few years".

[@mikafoxx2717]

​@@davidr1431I like how chargermopar is 43 years in to his carnivore diet and he just calls it his heart attack diet, heart attack burgers. Except that he's 55 and healthy, flexible and grew to 6'6" when he started being picky and only reading meat as a kid

[@jg5755]

@@Nicksonian Vitamin K2 will protect them against that - abundant in unpasteurised animal products and meat.

[@Taahmim]

😂😂😂 just 5? Lion, dog, cat, tiger can survive 12 years with carnivore Diet. You have 7 more years to enjoy the beautiful world.

[@trail.blazer]

I had chronic constipation for years. Adding any sort of fiber never made it better. When I went low carb, that was causing me to gradually reduce the amount of fiber I was eating and I noticed an improvement, although if I ever missed a poop for a day then I would be constipated again. Finally I decided to take a leap of faith and removed almost all plants from my diet. My constipation is totally 100% gone. Occasionally (not often) I miss a day and I poop just fine the next day. I never miss two days. Diarrhea has never been an issue for me when eating plants (with meat) or carnivore. It was an issue for me when I was vegetarian (then vegan for a few months) because that gave me IBS. Used to go 3 times and day and a couple of those times were always a bit messy; I could not risk going out in the mornings! I also noticed a significant amount of plant 'foods' that I ate the previous day were in the bowl, which didn't say much for digestion or any possible extraction of nutrients from those plants.

[@IusedtohaveausernameIliked]

It's a common trend these days to blatantly contradict obvious truths just to get clicks on KZbin. Even so called "experts' are desperate for clicks and are not above click-bait.

[@andrewclark3236]

I have stopped eating fruit and vegetables and adopted a red meat high fat diet. No digestive issues. Infact, things have improved. There is no need to eat fibre.

[@defdaz]

Wait, you think the trials showing more 'use of the bathroom' when consuming additional fibre proves that fibre is beneficial? All it shows is if you eat more indigestible substances that you'll have larger and more frequent stools, OBVIOUSLY.

[@TheJJluv123]

I dealt with constant intestinal pain for years despite having "adequate fiber" It took well into my adulthood when I tried adding a dose of Metamucil for all my symptoms to clear up. Turns out I needed more soluble than most. Nuance indeed.

[@rayzerot]

Yeah it's a shame how more people aren't informed that there is both soluable and insoluble fiber. So many gut issues could be solved if people knew to balance the two

[@wocket42]

@@rayzerot It's difficult to judge what is what. If you look at psyllium husks, it looks like insoluble fibre, but it's mostly soluble fibre.

[@Dimitri88888888]

That shit cured my diarrhea

[@stealcian74]

Everything is way better on a low carb carnivore diet. This topic is nice benefit of eating ancestrally appropriate carnivore based diet.

[@MakeupAuthority]

I’ve been both carnivore and keto and got very sick on both. I was carnivore for 6 months and keto for 8 months and by the end on both I had horrible stomach pains, insomnia, rashes, worsened asthma and heartburn. Now that I’m on a balanced diet, I feel much better. To get to this point, I worked on actually healing my gut so I could eat a larger variety of foods and cut out processed foods and most sugar except for fruit.

[@jimk59]

most fruits are sugar heavy, I have had nothing but improvement on keto and IF

[@leerivera80]

I’ve had the exact opposite. However I am glad you are better!

[@che4840]

good point, most people have an impaired gut. fermented foods all the way!

[@MakeupAuthority]

@@jimk59 I’m happy for you that keto is working! It’s definitely not a one size fits all because while I initially felt great, I became very sick on keto/carnivore, so sick to the point of where I couldn’t function and almost ended up in the hospital because the inflammation was so bad in my body and I couldn’t breathe with my chronic asthma. And yes, some fruits are higher in sugar than others but when intact with the fiber, the sugars digest much slower in certain fruits. It can takes years of eating a crap processed sugar/food diet with little to no exercise to catch up with us and destroy our microbiome and cause metabolic issues etc. So any diet that lowers the processed food and junk, you will feel great on initially but may not be a long term resolution for everyone. We just need to listen to our bodies and not get caught up in the dogmas surrounding specific diets, especially online. While there is some truth out there, a lot of people are trying to pedal stuff and build a business and you have no idea what these people actually do or eat behind closed doors.

[@MakeupAuthority]

@@che4840 Yes, fermented foods can be great! I couldn’t eat fermented foods for awhile because of the histamines.

[@philipwolford6497]

No idea what gets said in this particular video but 4.5 years carnivore myself close to zero fiber intake and perfect regularity and no discomfort 👌🏼

[@mightbeanybody]

As an athlete I need the fibre. 1 - it's converted into SCFAs and the butyrate provides an additional 10% energy. 2 - By eating fibre first in my meals I better control my blood sugar since transit is slowed down. Also SCFAs have multiple anti-inflammatory properties both on gut epithelial and immune cells,something oldies like me need.

[@codniggh1139]

Yes, his science is solid, one of the best ones to make solid his points, most people would agree that solid fiber is crap, but you can only notice it when you remove it. But soluble fiber is very helpful, but to be honest, not a need.

[@fredsmit3481]

Great video. One thing that needs to be measured is density of stool. If the density is lowered by a great amount, then the volume does not matter much.

[@justaname999]

Ok, people in the comments who "healed" their issues by eliminating fiber. You have not healed anything. You are avoiding an issue that you still have. If you sprain your ankle and instead of healing it and eventually slowly starting to put some weight on it you just go "ok, that's it, I'll never use that leg again" you will feel like you're not in pain. But your ankle is still busted. I would hope that most of us who have been eating a generally balanced and healthy diet for most of the time cannot list 5 or 6 severe conditions that need healing. Also, if something can temporarily help to alleviate a symptom that doesn't mean that this should be done forever. You would not continue chemo 10 years past the time when it is not needed. If you have IBS when you eat a balanced diet (I am not saying you should be eating 80 or 100g of fiber!), then something is up. Maybe removing fiber for a while and later gradually reintroducing a variety of foods could *actually* help you. Why would any of us who can benefit from and enjoy a great variety of food feel the need to follow extreme diets unnatural to any human culture (since humans began being humans, if not before!) that doesn't live in an area that makes varied food sources impossible?

[@keithbertschin1213]

Ancestral diet is not extreme, the clue is in the word ancestral

[@justaname999]

@@keithbertschin1213 Except that some of us actually have had some exposure to education and have learned that diets were in fact highly diverse in the first modern humans. Obviously there was no fast food or hyperconsumption of sugar. Now *that* goes against the ancestral state. Vegetables, legumes, meat/fish, fruit, even wild non-agricultural kinds of grains are all very much part of the normal human diet and have been since we got our own ape branch.

[@jeniedwards5999]

I am my own experiment - intestinal seizures from severe constipation monthly. Cut fiber completely out of my diet and haven't had one since.

[@78cheerio]

I’m glad you explored this topic because to me, fiber intake implies that a diet rich in vegetables, some beans, etc is good not bad. It points away from extremely low carb.

[@firpofutbol]

All I know is since I started taking servings of flaxseed and chia seeds in the morning recently, I've been pooping like never before. Zero negative symptoms thus far.

[@happyapple4269]

That is a symptom

[@firpofutbol]

@@happyapple4269 What I meant was the ease of bowel movements (no constipation) and their regularity (every evening). Not bad if you ask me.

[@livingatlarge]

5+ years with zero fiber. My intestines are working great. I'm also doing great with (apparently) no vitamin C in that time.

[@gavtex1065]

@@johnmartinsen963Actually I wish I could find it again but I read a study once that tested raw and cooked levels of vitamin C in various foods, and what was interesting is that it turned out that vitamin C in meat was far more resilient to cooking than in plants. Plant vitamin C was mostly destroyed by cooking but in meat like liver it only reduced a small percentage. Don’t take my word for it of course because my memory of the figures is likely off somewhat but the meat vitamin C reduced like 10-20% and the plant vitamin C reduced more like 80-90%.

[@MikeEnRegalia]

Simple take-away should be: If you get bloated eating a lot of fiber, change things up! If necessary then all the way down to no fiber. Eat whatever you can properly digest.

[@WeighedWilson]

When you change your diet it can take a few weeks to a few months for your systems to stabilize. If your got biome is unbalanced you might experience bloating and gas pains until it adapts to dietary changes.

[@MikeEnRegalia]

@@WeighedWilson weeks, months - or even years. At which point do you stop and give up the experiment? "Bloating and gas pains" are serious issues.

[@WeighedWilson]

@@MikeEnRegalia I was fine after about 3 weeks. If you expect immediate results you might as well give up before you begin.

[@Kjherstin]

If anyone eating fibre, no matter the quantity would try a 100% animal protein way of eating for 6 months, then they'll understand the true meaning of regularity and no bloating or gut distress. It's for a reason we aren't ruminants. We definitely need more studies.

[@watcherworld5873]

I greatly admire Dr. Paul Mason. But, these days I just eat whatever whole foods that I desire, and they include a lot of vegetables. I just like the taste. My personal unscientific belief is that my body will tell me what are good for me.

[@ccyeun1]

I'm for fibre after learned it from Dr Gundry. Every morning, after the morning exercise, I will make myself a smoothie from half a lemon, an apple, some nutritional yeast, some electrolyte powder, some flaxseeds etc. Then I strained the fibre out from the smoothie, and wallah, I have a small bowl of smoothie fibre and a mug of fruit juice. I'll then add some yogurt to the fibre and have it as my breakfast. The fruit juice is reserved for later. So, having fibre from blended fruits etc is no big deal and I would not have constipation if I can do it everyday. It's only when sometimes I eat outside that I could not have the dose of fibre of the day. Otherwise, no matter what type of food that I ate, there is no problem of constipation for me. And I like that. As for the fact that those gut microbiomes produce butyrate which is helpful to our body is just a bonus. All these I have learned from Dr Gundry's podcast. Of course, I cannot deny the findings of Dr Mason do have some truth in it. But to avoid those possible consequences by not eating fibre might be a great loss. So, it's up to anyone to weigh against the pros and cons of fibre for their own good. Every individual is different.

[@roderick8254]

Wouldn't the microbiame composition play a role on fibre tolerance?

[@dRaevyn.2030]

I've been in Carnivore Diet on/off for years and sometimes Ketogenic and I can say that being in Carnivore is the best

[@WeighedWilson]

If carnivore is "the best," why did you go on/off of it?

[@dRaevyn.2030]

@@WeighedWilson I'm a healthy athletic person... I don't need to be in pure Carnivore all the time... e.g. is drinking alcohol to an event or my family's birthday... so yeah, that's on and off for me

[@lindabirmingham603]

To my amazement, constipation, bloating, most gas, and hemmies are gone since I went Ketovore a few months ago. I also no longer need to take Mg to help move things along. Historically, adding insoluble fiber made the issue much worse! I have no desire to eat veg anymore...

[@jcribbdvm]

I’m in the Dr Mason tribe at present, but appreciate your stable contemplative analysis and response to his opinion. We all need and ultimately benefit from open uncensored stable objective debate/challenge/correction. It is imperative for comprehensive awareness and true evolving enlightenment.

[@viktor8119]

I had bad IBS symptoms few years ago. I switched to low FODMAP diet with supplementing psyllium husk. I also counted my total fiber intake daily to make sure I got at least 30g. My digestion was healed super quickly... Then I could reintroduced higher FODMAP foods too slowly. Btw I'm glad to have found your channel. Like your humor and your approach to these questions!

[@Bazza5000]

I have bad IBS, and if I take high doses of the fiber it comes somewhat under control. Never could heal the damn thing.

[@MichaelGGarry]

@@Bazza5000 Latest research shows that many "IBS" cases may in fact be localized allergic reactions in the intestine. Increasing fiber speeds up transit times so maybe irritating your intestine less in the meantime?

[@Pazuzu-]

Interesting. I have IBS and decreasing fiber improved it a lot. Also cleared my eczema.

[@b.gauthier8610]

Nearly no studies because nearly no sponsors. They mostly support a grain-rich diet (therefore fiber-rich) because this is where their profit is. However, we do have precedence of long standing: the Inuit have eaten a nearly fiber-free diet for centuries! Some of them living more south where the tundra allows for some berries in the "warm" season had a bit of fiber then, but nothing close to what is recommended by nutritionists. They were carnivore, mostly eating seal and seal fat. As nomadic people, they moved a great deal and had to be very active to survive and thrive. As far as I know, there is no report of high constipation rate among them back when they were cereal & vegetable-free.

[@defeqel6537]

I wonder if different human populations are comparable, if there is enough time for changes to facial structure and skin color to occur, is it not feasible that at least some differences in metabolism / gut may occur. Is an inuit, or northern european really the same as a pacific islander in terms of nutrition? We already know that people of black African descent have a lower tolerance / need for sodium/natrium, so why wouldn't there be other differences?

[@AbBc-w4q]

Best thing I ever did was stop eating plant material. I feel so much better not walking around bloated and gassy and in discomfort all the damn time. What an utter nightmare it was at work all day in my office. I also dont miss the massive amount of stool. now that im mainly carnivore I produce maybe 25% of what I used to and I am NEVER gassy and when I am its minor and doesnt stink to high heaven. My stool is smaller and effortless to evacuate and happens in no time at all.. Im not sitting their pushing for 5 - 10 minutes trying to empty myself. I, too, was never "regular" when I ate veggies and cereal and breads.. Id go to the bathroom every 3 or 4 days.. I just always assumed I was different that way for some reason... now Its each morning and its quick and effortless. Ive never been constipated in my 4 years of carnivore. I honestly dont know how vegans do what they do.

[@chettlar212]

It's got to have something to do with microbiomes. For example, we know some gut bacteria actually "eat" gas. So maybe some people's environments simply do not allow those particular bugs to flourish and thus nothing reduces the gas.

[@mff301]

My 86 yo mother has suffered constipation for more than 50 years. She used to eat lots of vegetables and fruit, yet it still took her an hour or more to do the deed. Then she started to eat only meat and animal fat at 85, less than a week into the carnivore diet and the decades-lasting constipation disappeared. Few months ago she decided to eat some vegetables again, and the constipation came back the very next day. It took her a week to solve it by cutting vegetables out of her diet completely, but she was successful once again. Now she just eats like a carnivore. The carnivore diet also makes her more resilient to impact. She tripped and fell a week ago, but she only had a bruise and recovered in 3 days. Again, she is 86. Living proof.

[@kaunas888]

I have found that fiber give me nothing but indigestion. Everyone is different and not everyone suffers from constipation.

[@phvaessen]

zero fiber should obviously eliminate constipation, but what's the effect on microbiotic, and is that kind of diet not causing other problems ?

[@KenJackson_US]

I have the same question. Though carnivore's claim meat has all the nutrients our microbiome needs.

[@CarbageMan]

Anecdotally, I seem to do better with close to no fiber. The fiber that comes with asparagus, cruciferous vegetables, etc. is fine though I don't eat a lot. Other fibers, maybe not so much. So, I'm not aware any benefit, as someone who's mostly carnivore.

[@nordoflobsquipple3121]

Actually my experience since I gave up (most) plants with very little fiber consumption and 0 constipation, instead of constipation 1-2 a month.

[@WeighedWilson]

Did you give up junk food when you gave up plants?

[@nordoflobsquipple3121]

@@WeighedWilson Chocolate is the one plant product I would never give up. I eat an ounce of ChocZero ketogenic chocolate every day, so if that is junk food then not entirely. I also sometimes eat a handful of black raspberries from the back yard but never more than 2 ounces and never more than twice a week while in season.

[@WeighedWilson]

@@nordoflobsquipple3121 you missed my point.

[@nordoflobsquipple3121]

@@WeighedWilson I didn't eat much junk food to begin with. Plants contain phytotoxins that cause inflammation. Some are more sensitive to it than others. Let me give you an example. My aunt gave me a fresh plum. Chunks were still coming up for 15 minutes. All vegetable cause me problems. Some fruit causes me issues in small quantities. Melons cause my throat to itch and swell. Anyone eating fruit every day increases their risk of Parkinson's by 30%. Most fruitarians living in the Caribbean develop Parkinson's by their 60's.

[@ketogenicru]

Dear Nicolas, I admire your objective approach to the topic. Your criticism towards the quality of the research is absolutely correct. Hardly believe that we will see serious and flawless research in this area soon. Zero fiber consumption still isn't popular and goes agains the mainstream. P.S. I hope that you was impressed by comments to your video.

[@adminintellidm6806]

its almost like the grain and agricultural lobby is pushing the fiber requirements ... the food industry is the one that pushed hydrogenated seed and vegetable oils on us in the 1930's and 40's that lead to explosions in heart attacks, obesity, diabetes and cancers.. so i wouldn't put it past these crooks.

[@stellasternchen]

I take medication that has constipation as a side effect. My go to treatment is fiber. Since I eat lineseeds or spelt with my yoghurt , I don‘t have problems anymore. Fiber is great for that.

[@bradleyhenderson1198]

Another thing to consider is not only what one eats, but how one eats it. In Ayurveda it is regular to eat foods in order of digestibility and not mix them unless cooked together, sometime for a longer period such as soups. It is regarded as undesirable to mix meat and fruit, for instance, as they digest at different rates, resulting in the fruit being digested too long, thus gas, etc.

[@4406bbldb]

I might be way out balance with how I eat BUT the more fiber I eat the more I can’t pass. I just don’t know so I listen now.

[@Ge1Ri4]

About 4 and a half minutes in, why do you make the assumption that increased frequency of bms is better?

[@kenguidry1369]

Howdy Physionic ;-) If you are going to keep monitoring "Fiber" within the scope of metabolism and diet, add a consideration for fiber particle size. Anecdotally, I have noticed an extremely consistent pattern of people having problems with "manufactured fiber" over natural fiber, I believe such is due to particle size. The chewing of a piece of celery (Uggh) is far different than machining a piece of celery by extracting all of its water and grinding it down to a particle size slightly larger than atomic structure -- such is only good for making colon-bricks. I always recommend natural wet fiber from living plants over dried machined fiber in commercial products, and I am not even a vegetarian! Hope you are well!

[@mineralchief]

Pooping more is not necessarily a lack of constipation, the more fiber you eat the more the more you poop cause you simply have more undigestable matter passing through... but if you have an incredible microbiome fiber will not cause issues.. unfortunately not all have this luxury as they have been exposed to mycotoxins from mold, antibiotics, pesticides, microplastics, heavy metals and excess omega 6.

[@cradohaps-bb5nd]

what is primarily true is that all "edible" vegetables, fruits, and grains are manmade. These suboptimal things do not exist in nature, do not offer any nutrition, are in fact anti nutrition. you can argue modern farm animals are also manmade however they have always existed in an actual edible form and still provide actual nutrition whereas plants do not