Pimax Crystal Final Wide FOV Lenses Review

Pimax Crystal Final Wide FOV Lenses Review - Fundamentally Flawed

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Ай бұрын

And here they are, the final Pimax Crystal Wide FOV lenses that are supposed to let us enjoy the Crystal with a wider FOV. Unfortunately, I can absolutely not recommend these to you. Why that is the case, I will tell you in this video!
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@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

And what are your thoughts about the wide FOV lenses?

@Supertrooper432 Ай бұрын

They do look like lenses. 8/10 would rub them on my eyeballs.

@Kurnazify Ай бұрын

Did you try uninstalling Pimax software and removing all files in appdata, maybe it was using special settings for the normal glasses?

@ricoshelter9399 Ай бұрын

I really appriciate your honest review.There are a lot video's showing those new lenses.And some you can tell they are origin or supported by the Pimax company. You are the first, that in my opinion tell the truth about the Pimax Crystall. Iám waiting with buying a virtual reality headset until all those bumbs on the road are cleared out. Thank you for sharing a really good review .

@Glider324 Ай бұрын

Thankyou for your honest review since I cannot try before I buy.

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

That's what I am here for.

@TheGreekbull Ай бұрын

I know people that i know and trust that have the new WideFOV lenses that think they are well worth it. So this is interesting. I’m looking forward to getting them as so far my experience with the Crystal has been pretty top notch. You do need to work on settings no doubt and I wonder if MRTV actually adjusted these correctly and adjusted and restarted the software correctly to get these working.

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

I did.

@ervmoore1111 Ай бұрын

Thanks much for your input. Appreciated! Have not learned about using our present eye prescription lens, will fit over FOV? Thanks again.

@AndyCYXU Ай бұрын

did you set it up correctly in the software I watched another reviewer whose initial experience was the same but then he realized he needed to adjust some settings in software and then he was blown away by the quality and large FOV so yeah idk just a suggestion

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

This is not my first rodeo. Of course I set up the big fov in the software.

@AndyCYXU Ай бұрын

I totally hear you just I'm really surprised at such difference of opinion great video as always 👍

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

Yeah, my opinion is not informed by trying to make Pimax happy, but to simply let you know about the actual product.@@AndyCYXU

@MaroshBRuNo Ай бұрын

@@mixedrealityTVWhy are you suggesting that other reviewers are not honest? I've seen more people that are happy with these lenses and we can try and return them if them were not but attacking people with other opinion is cheap. I for example had totally great experience with 8KX and to me it looked like it was you who wasn't honest about it. Hating on it's distortion after recommending 5K+ with same distortion.

@iboviper Ай бұрын

User error

@technikchegger7228 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the warning.

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

Welcome!

@SeerreuS Ай бұрын

Did you try and make sure you recalibrated the tobii eye tracking if you are using the auto ipd adjustment

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

I am not using auto IPD adjustment. I did that manually.

@SeerreuS Ай бұрын

@mixedrealityTV okay I just wanted to clarify that you were eventually able to find The Sweet Spot manually adjusting the ipd in other words people using Auto ipd won't work to find The Sweet Spot. But overall you're in you mean The Sweet Spot is just much smaller

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

Yes, the sweet spot is smaller but I did hit it. It is just the bad binocular overlap that is the biggest problem here. @@SeerreuS

@Guinea54 Ай бұрын

I've commented about this quite a few times, and I just don't get it.. The bigger the FOV on a VR headset the less binocular overlap you should have? right? The way I always see it is if you increase the horizontal FOV one eye is going to see more outward while the other eye is going to always have it's vision blocked by the nose area of the VR headset. Even your own nose blocks a lot of FOV in your normal everyday vision. I don't really comprehend how you can increase horizontal FOV and not have the binocular overlap decrease because your eyes can't see inward past what's blocked by the nose area... Can someone please make sense of this for me? I feel like we're simply replacing blackness with a picture that doesn't have binocular overlap because the other eye cannot see past the bridge of the nose section.

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

You can get a bigger FOV and a bigger or similar binocular overlap by increasing the FOV of each eye. And you could get that by bigger displays for example. If the display size stays the same, the only thing you could do is decrease overlap.

@Guinea54 Ай бұрын

@@mixedrealityTV Well you would know you have every headset. I just can't picture it visually in my mind. I feel like the physical limit is the edge of the lens and the nose area... Maybe by bigger screens the image is zoomed out more? I just don't get how you can see past what is blocked by the physical headset obstructions.

@Pece73 Ай бұрын

Honest review, thank you!

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

You are welcome.

@ladtvband Ай бұрын

Hi Sebastian just a question do you from your side have any updates about the Pimax 12k. I just don't know from the Pimax team what is it with them they told us the 12k would be here about 3 years ago and still nothing. Would there be any chance that you could maybe get an update or interview from the Pimax team again about this headset and maybe just ask them straight up when will the Pimax 12k be released and they should stop with this Pimax trade in programs and releasing all these dumb products just release one standard headset just like you say and they should just stop this nonsense. Thanks for you excellent content. Appreciate

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

Absolutely agreed. They could be a leading VR company if they would just do one incredible headset. I have heard nothing from the 12k unfortunately.

@71stMastiff Ай бұрын

Does prescription glasses work?

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

Nope. The ones I have do not.

@fiberop635 Ай бұрын

Binocular overlap is super important. Cant wait till they release the 12k and you get to review it

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

I am looking forward too!

@carlosdominguez3108 Ай бұрын

Pimax as a company is utterly baffling. There's no other company I can think of in high end electronic space that pumps out so many products with utterly baffling and poor decision-making, yet remains around to do it again and again. I feel like they just operate in a super niche VR space that allows it.

@carlosdominguez3108 Ай бұрын

Case and point: let's spend who knows how much to create these top of the line lenses (sole purpose to look through), special glass, special nice hardware with chips that communicate with the headset. End result: hard to look through. Lol

@Nobody-Nowhere Ай бұрын

@@carlosdominguez3108 There are no chips, all you need is one resistor to differentiate the lenses.

@Nobody-Nowhere Ай бұрын

@@carlosdominguez3108 Also, they kind of needed to do these as they promised extra lenses. So a lot of people have paid these already, as they first promised the 42ppd lenses, but people preferred these. They are a compromise, but a lot of people do want to use them. And you can always switch back to you original lenses.

@TheGreekbull Ай бұрын

They can be frustrating but they make the best consumer headset on the market at the moment. It does take fiddling but it tops them all.

@RobFisherUK Ай бұрын

No-one is really doing PCVR for sims any better. I hope that changes.

@redaha7432 Ай бұрын

Can you fix scratched Oculus 3 lenses ?

@rubberonasphalt Ай бұрын

Use a polisher, like ones used for watches

@robconcep644 Ай бұрын

Can I purchase them from you? Sincerely Robert

@robertodolsak3566 Ай бұрын

Hi,Sebastian.Any info about Somnium vr1

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

I personally don't have any news to share.

@Kurnazify Ай бұрын

Did you try uninstalling Pimax software and removing all files in appdata, maybe it was using special settings for the normal glasses?

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

My software is working correctly. I am sorry to let you know: it's the lenses.

@impuls60 Ай бұрын

After building my own VR google I quickly found out that large FOV lenses have to be super close to your eyes, forget about having glasses inbetween. What we need is lager OLED screens that we can place close to our eyes. Its the only way optics physics works out, thats the obvious reason Apple got their custom screens made. I advocated for the VR manufacturers to come together and share the dev cost for such screens years ago. My hopes now is that Meta will fund mass production of more large custom screens in the future.

@shApYT Ай бұрын

I am not sure if I am correct, but I believe the industry is going the other direction with micro OLED displays to make headsets more compact. Bigger screen is big and with it comes big optics which are also big and heavy.

@AlejandroLopez-wy2st Ай бұрын

I get binocular overlap is important, but I am wondering why didn't you say how bad it is when you tried the Varjo Aero, because that one is by far the worst headset in terms of binocular overlap, yet you said it felt amazing.

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

The binocular overlap of the Aero is still mich better than these wide FOV lenses. Thanks for watching and commenting!

@Rufuz64 Ай бұрын

I don't know why my first comments are not being displayed. Anyway, here's another try. Sebastian, please take a look at the review of Tally Mouse. He also had big problems at first - until he reset the Crystal once and it recognised the lenses in the first place. I'm afraid it was the same for you...

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

They were correctly recognized. These lenses are simply flawed. I wish they were not.

@richardPalmisano Ай бұрын

Strange tally mouse had a different experience watch his video

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

@@richardPalmisano Great thing about this channel: I make these videos for you, my subscribers! It's not about pleasing the companies that send me free stuff. Like I mentioned in the video, these lenses gain 10 degrees by taking away a lot of binocular overlap. If that is okay for you, perhaps you will enjoy them. For me, immersion is the most important for VR. And a bad binocular overlap is a total showstopper for me.

@dathyr1 Ай бұрын

Well you kind of answered my question in the first few minutes of not getting a Pimax VR headset. They seem to make high end VR products, but seems like most videos everyone has some kind of problems with them or takes a genius to set them up to work properly. Plus they cost too much for what I want to do. That is kind of ridiculous isn't it to have a wide FOV and a very small sweet spot. And why do you have to have your eyes so darn close to the lenses. I will stick with my Oculus products. I have no such problems mentioned above. Bye!!!

@MaroshBRuNo Ай бұрын

It's not so bad. If you'd try it you would change your mind imo. I've seen more than one opinion that the new high fov lenses are great and there is no reason to use old ones anymore. I must try them for myself first but this channel was hating on pimax many times before. Iam with pimax for a long time and super happy with 5k+ 8kx and now Crystal. Only real problem was replacing of cable for few times bc it broke.

@TonyDrecaps Ай бұрын

That's unfortunate. I was hoping it was good.

@paulbellino5330 Ай бұрын

I can tell you and anyone else that watches. You state the TRUTH. You don't let anyone pressure you. For this I thank you

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

You are welcome. I will always state what I see and keep it real. I answer to you, the subscribers, not the companies. That's the main thing about mrtv.

@paulbellino5330 Ай бұрын

@@mixedrealityTV I am hoping the Deckard will be coming out sooner rather than later. I have seen a ton of updates within steam lately. Looks like they may be getting ready. but with Valve you just never know.

@angrybeaver6667 Ай бұрын

it sucks that pimax always releases stuff before its ready. they should have left this one in the oven a bit longer

@sean.d7171 Ай бұрын

I just want the 144hz & 160hz they said would be possible. but sounds like the DP1.4 can't run that much so why even say its possible? it's dishonest and lots of racing sim guys like myself would have used the 160hz.

@frozenmoment63 Ай бұрын

Just got a email from pimax. The wide fov lenses are still in beta and they think it will be ready at the end of april, yes this year..

@zerocool6452 7 күн бұрын

If they say april this year then they really mean next year.

@irishpat64 Ай бұрын

Really Appreciate your thorough and honest review

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

You are welcome.

@bigbangerz5856 Ай бұрын

Oh that’s a shame I was looking forward to these lenses but appreciate the honest opinion

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

You are welcome. I will always tell you exactly how it is, positive or negative.

@stefanobean4039 Ай бұрын

Thank you Sebastian, as always. The problem that they are not products that we can return if in our case they don't fit us. I was definitely hoping for a positive review after a while. In any case, I miss the wide fov so much and since nothing is known about the 12K (which is ridiculous considering they promised release by that date) anyway I will take the risk and buy them.

@nilsrossi4217 Ай бұрын

Ciao Sebastian, i m very sad to see this review.. it crashes my hopes in fov lenses :'(

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

Hi Nils! Sorry to crush your hopes! But really the FOV increase will just eat into your binocular overlap... :(

@nilsrossi4217 Ай бұрын

@@mixedrealityTV :( to be honest, few days ago i have tried the Quest3... OMG, If the Crystal could be Crystal-Clear edge to edge how the Quest3 is.. it can be the best vr headset.

@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA Ай бұрын

I think at this rate the VR market is probably only going to be Meta, Apple, Google (Whatever they show) left standing. Probably with diminishing sales between all three of them as people will reject doing everyday computing in them too. Sony, Valve, Pico, Pimax etc etc are all on the way out. Seems like the Apple Vision Pro novelty has worn off for most reviewers, good news for consumers.

@ThepurposeofTime Ай бұрын

Samsung. Definitely don't forget Samsung

@tosvus Ай бұрын

People have been predicting the doom of VR since I bought my first headset in April of 2016. Sure, it has remained a niche, but I'm definitely not seeing it shrinking. That said, any chance of breaking out of niche territory will require a much different form factor. I don't think until you get what essentially looks like regular eyeglasses with high quality so people don't feel stupid and isolated when using them, can it really reach mass appeal. Once that happens though, why not. You can sit on the couch next to your spouse and kids and watch the same movie, and it appears the picture is on the wall, and heck, you can switch and watch sports if you like now and then ;). You can still see each other and talk without feeling silly. I do think the Apple Vision Pro is a failure in that regard if they really thought that this fake face display would alleviate it. That said, if a headset is comfortable enough and high enough visual quality, I could definitely see myself working using one for hours on end.

@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA Ай бұрын

I think it will have to go away for another decade or two as the technology just isn't there and people are just going to be tapped out financially. More people have played VR this time round compared to the 90's and have decided to not stick with it. I think the final push will be AR/MR computing but people will find out that doesn't add much other than "wow this is cool" it doesn't make anyone more productive in a work environment.@@tosvus

@tosvus Ай бұрын

@@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA I don't see why it should/will go away, even though it stays niche until tech really gets there. Plenty of companies pumping in money into this, and there will always be a decent number of people that likes vr gaming to keep it alive until then. Even if the big companies were to give up, at this point small companies can easily keep going.

@Simmymind360 Ай бұрын

Seb, you may have to reset the software or reinstall it, i heard thst this will fix the sweet spot and other bugs

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

It's not the software, I have set that up correctly! It's the lenses. I am sorry to let you know about it. I also had big hopes for it but it does not work.

@farmertrueVR Ай бұрын

I am stoked for my wide FOV lenses for the Pimax Crystal to arrive. I appreciate the info as always but VR is so very subjective even when being objective. It seems that those I have talked to who have used the wide FOV lenses have been split as far as having them replace their standard lenses or not. From being a variety VR user, who used the Varjo Aero for over a year as my daily HMD, and the Quest 3 since launch, both have been replaced by my Pimax Crystal as my favorite HMD. Both the Quest 3 and Varjo Aero have a less than great binocular overlap, and even with the wide FOV loss in binocular overlap, they are still on par with both of those headsets. As with all things VR related, there is an adjustment period where it requires time to get used to the new hardware. These wide FOV lenses are no different. They are not swap out and you are good to go, but take some additional adjustments to make work as intended. I feel a 110° horizontal is where I start to not notice the black around the lenses. These wide FOV lenses will allow for more than that and all without losing the 35PPD clarity. Props to Pimax for taking their time to release these lenses, with eye tracking. I’m very excited for mine to be delivered. Like I said, it may not be for everybody but I’m sure as heck willing to take the time to adjust and do whatever is needed to make them work as Pimax has intended. I get a 104°x104° FOV currently and can’t wait to experience a 114-120°x102-104° FOV with the Crystals clarity. Binocular overlap has never been a deal breaker for me and I don’t expect it to be an issue for me with these lenses considering the comparable binocular overlap on my favorite VR headsets. Cheers!

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

Great, hope you can enjoy them. For me they are just so much worse than the 35ppd ones and again...fundamentally flawed because of the tiny binocular overlap.

@TRX25EX Ай бұрын

Its not free isnt it? I believe you have to purchase them.

@farmertrueVR Ай бұрын

@@TRX25EX I believe they were $129 for the pair

@TRX25EX Ай бұрын

@@farmertrueVR That's crazy when 42PPD was cancelled they should have made this free instead

@farmertrueVR Ай бұрын

@@TRX25EX I purchased my Crystal long after the 42PPD lenses were even in the book. The wide FOV lenses were already confirmed when I purchased the Crystal. Either way, I'm more than happy with the Crystal and I could have any VR headset out there. I choose the Crystal which may mean nothing to others, but I spend all my free time doing some with VR.

@chrisc3825 Ай бұрын

The whole concept is flawed - stretching an image to artificially create a wider FOV

@mixedrealityTV Ай бұрын

Exactly.

@mikeb3172 Ай бұрын

Clarity & FOV is the only thing Pimax is known for..... why do they do this

@zerocool6452 7 күн бұрын

Clarity? I got the impression that they were known for Lens distorsion and FOV. But I guess the former is a thing of the past now.

@FCA1962 Ай бұрын

the Pimax is to heavy dosen´t matter how good it can be... I can´t use my more than 30 minutes. The Meganex and the bigscreem are change the game! Pimax have to change too.

@hcson5091 Ай бұрын

I wish Pimax would focus on releasing 12K products or wireless modules. Aside from the weight, the crystal is currently the best in PCVR. I know that the form factor of the 12K product is the same as the crystal... and with the quality of 12K, I can handle this weight. Having to wear a battery on our head in standalone mode, which 99% of Pimax users never use, is...a bit...

@VNAV_PTH Ай бұрын

I'm still buying accessories for my Quest 2. I can't keep up with you, Sebastian.

@Filodream Ай бұрын

the entire Crystal is goodn't

@axev5296 Ай бұрын

Ever used one? And the entire set isn't ok? Come up with some funded arguments for that, please. I have used one since June last year and it's the best-performing VR set until now (I had other brand VR sets). If you never tried one yourself you probably echo what some VR KZbinrs said about this VR set. Many of the issues the Pimax Crystal had were solved by Pimanx though. But heh... if you think it's a bad headset just don't buy it.

@Filodream Ай бұрын

@@axev5296 I never talk about a product I haven't tested. I had a pimax crystal (simracing, without controllers) and I happily returned it. I wrote a review on Amazon Italy. In summary: terrible value for money, terrible comfort and lenses that are not up to par which nullify the good mounted screens. Quest 3 offers a much better experience at a fraction of the price in every game genre. Meta pancake lenses are 1 gen ahead. Pimax's "wide fov" lenses are proof that this company is groping in the dark.

@Filodream Ай бұрын

@@axev5296 my replies are continually deleted. The truth hurts someone..