Venom Is Queer: A Film Analysis

[@johnthomason9980]

22:24 Yeah I think Venom is genderfluid, because he's just literally Gender Fluid

[@pimscrypt]

This comment is so good I regret not being able to retroactively put it into the video.

[@thesupersucc4966]

Blud literally has no gender

[@TheWormsHole]

I remember Tyrone Magnus making this big deal about how there's no "woke" scenes in Venom 2, evidently having missed the part where Venom, covered in glitter and rainbow lights, gives a speech to a room full of people about how proud he is to be seen, and how happy it makes him not to have to hide who he is 🙄 Good job!

[@pimscrypt]

D-did this Tyrone guy watch the film with his eyes closed?

[@Misora7303]

@@pimscrypt and ears covered

[@IAloneAmTheYapper]

I despise the word woke

[@ElleVervain]

I love how Eddie never HATES on Dan for being with his ex-fiancé

[@pimscrypt]

It was genuinely shocking to see just how healthy Eddie's relationship with Dan ended up being!

[@theSHELFables]

I love Dan. I think its so refreshing how the new boyfriend isnt some huge asshole and Ann isn't a thing to be taken back. Like she can be happy with a new dude and Eddy can be cool with him and thats ok. Like relationships ending and the character just moving on is so rare in stuff like this idk.

[@julphines]

This isn't the main point but something else I love in these movies is Dan. Eddie does listen to his medical expertise and also acknowledges that Dan is a good guy and makes Anne happy. I like them all getting along way better than the story just being about winning back the girl. Also Venom is 100% open to poly.

[@frazkintsukuroi5836]

Huh. Never thought I'd consider Venom to be cute bf material but here we are I guess. Now I want to see the movies if only to watch the entire breakfast scene in context (which already made me audibly go "aaw" based on the three seconds included in your essay).

[@pimscrypt]

It's genuinely one of the sweetest moments in any superhero film ever.

[@Jane-oz7pp]

It explains his obsession with the Spider-Twink, too lol

[@funk.4480]

What’s gayer? A gay person, or *Venom (2018)* and *Venom: Let There Be Carnage (2021)*

[@pimscrypt]

Yes.

[@only1613]

Hmm. Incredibly difficult.

[@WhyIsGhostInTheArena]

Venom: The Last Dance trailer dropping 3 days into Pride Month

[@jigglybones3318]

The quote "social justice Waluigi" now lives rent-free in my mind. Also, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who's thought of them this way lmao.

[@yaboiEchogaming]

“ YOU CANT PUT THE ALIEN BACK IN THE EDDIE CLOSET” 🗣️🗣️

[@beezycheezy3418]

Awesome analysis! I know I’m late but I just wanted to say that the church also acts as a mirror to the comics! The church window is very reminiscent of the church that the symbiote and Eddie get married in in Venom #150 :)

[@mariicore6085]

Fantastic video ! The part about domestic abuse in the second film is interesting to me because, while it is VERY unpleasant with the humorous tone it's trying to keep up, I think that scene manages to highlight a point that is more visible throughout the comics that often goes untalked about. And it's that, although Venom and Eddie are essentially perfect for each other, there is an inherently toxic dynamic that will always exist between them. I think it could have been presented in a more nuanced fashion, but also that the way it is presented sort of makes the point more apparent, in a way.

[@Aranock]

Thank you for making this so I didn't have to, and sorry again for being too busy to read the script. This video is excellent 💜

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much!!

[@FookMi69]

The Venom films are if A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy’s Revenge was stretched into two films, and honestly, I really like these films.

[@pimscrypt]

That is such a neat comparison and I respect it!

[@lukascepanovic3609]

The gentleman from In Praise of Shadows sent me here. As a bald bearded ginger caveman from Eastern Europe who has never considered underlying queer narratives in my life, I rather enjoy learning about these topics from well dressed trans people with fabulous nails and makeup. Thanks for existing dude, and stay awesome! Looking forward to seeing your channel skyrocket.

[@OhNoBohNo]

* Tom Hardy starts getting into the fish tank * Me: Oh I hope this doesn't awaken anything in me [Editor's Note: It Did]

[@oakland7561]

coming here from the future on the day the venom 3 trailer was released--yeah it's still gay, they had "till death do they part" in the trailer, referencing how venom and eddie are officially a Unit

[@poloecrazie]

I know it's late, but I recommend reading some of Venom comics because, boy, if you think this film is queer, the comic is fascinatingly queer. It's almost criminal how Venom it's ignored by Marvel as their LGBT representation because their series are really good when it's about the relationship between Eddie and Venom work. How they manage their bond throughout their lives as both damaged people or alien due to their circumstances. How they try to find their place on Earth with their anti hero antics even though everyone is scared for who Venom are. Even after all the screaming about eating Peter's brain Venom are still pining towards him even though Spider-man dicarded them in the church because this goo are so fucking gay. They love their goddamn himbos. Also, I think their origin story is so sick, a suicidal man wounded up together with black goo on the church with both as depressed being is *chef kiss

[@nattmazzoni]

I don't even like any super hero films, and the only reason I dragged myself to the cinema to watch Venom was everyone talking about the scene where Venom and Eddie kiss. I honestly love both Venom films and of course it is because it's overtly queer! Loved hearing your perspective on this too!

[@pimscrypt]

I’m glad you liked the films, and the video!

[@mc.gemstone]

Venom 2 helped me to be more accepting of myself being bi. I came out last year as bi and I wasn't so sure if I made the right choice, and feared I was lying to myself. After seeing the first two Venom movies, the second one had a much bigger impact on me. It was in a way the last piece of the puzzle I needed and everything after that made sense to me I was happy with myself I knew who I really was. Well, I will say my journey hasn't fully ended on that yet but that's another story. Though I still feel kinda sad and annoyed, that some people don't see it like that, and they overlook that whole thing. It's either they overlook it or worse are disgusted by it and say that "they were never gay in the comics" which is also a lie because they have been gay since the 90s run. Venom: The Hunger proves it so much that they are a couple, same with stuff like the 2016 and more recently the 2022 run of the new Lethal Protector comics. I would be shocked if people still think they're not gay if they end up kissing or saying I love you to each other. Rant aside, I really love this video a lot and I'm happy to find one actually talking about the more queer topics of Venom as I don't see it a lot and I hope to see or find more videos talking about it. I hope to even make one myself one day maybe, overall thank you for making this. 💜

[@only1613]

I could totally see Riot being Grimes as a parasite mutually helping(leeching) onto Elon for him to send her to space and reunite with her alien race.

[@matti.8465]

This analysis actually fixed Movie Carnage for me. In most iterations there's zero separation between Cletus and Carnage, they're literally one. So this movie changing thay was weird. So the idea that Cletus and Carnage are still the same person, but Carnage is like a second personality and a manifestation of Cletus' violent tendencies, is really clever!

[@SoleilsLament]

I've recently become obsessed with eddie and venom's relationship (I've been spending HOURS on the comics omg-) and as a queer person myself, it was so awesome to see another queer person analyse it!!! All your comments were awesome and I'm excited to see what other things you've talked about in your channel! Thanks you for this.

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much! I’m very glad you liked the video, and hope you’ll like my other ones as well! I don’t know when it’s gonna be out, but I am planing follow-up video where I cover Venom: The Last Dance!

[@voidmom2481]

I love this video! I've never watched Venom and I probably never will, but this was delightful and you should feel good

[@pimscrypt]

Thanks mom!

[@yaboiEchogaming]

Venom was my FAVORITE movie as a kid and now I love it even more

[@pimscrypt]

First I was like “since you were a kid?? But the first film only came out a couple of years ago??”. Then I realized that 2018 was over half a decade ago. Holy cow does time fly! Anyway, I’m very happy that this video made you enjoy the film more than you already did, and that you are also able to appreciate the film through the lens of childhood nostalgia!

[@LaughnCry27]

Love this analysis The romantic comedy aspect was something I did not expect but enjoyed I've always loved the character of Venom before becoming a fan of Tom Hardy

[@screamingcupcake8512]

Loved this video, keep up the good work. Let's just hope some of these homophobic marvel fans in denial will find this gem. I'm still confused about HOW there are homophobic Venom-Fans lol. The comics, even the old ones, are some of the most homoerotic shit you'll ever read. They literally hold hands in the cinema and consider their relationship to be a marriage, like wtf isn't clicking with these people? XD

[@Nugget_0verlord]

Idk guys, the movie about two guys [gender neutral] literally sharing a body, effectively becoming the ultimate singular they/them, sounds pretty cis-het to me lol

[@Skyehoppers]

Your hair is sooo vibrant! It looks great :) Excellent analysis too, I'm always down for a good queer reading. Your conclusion especially was top-notch. I was following your points throughout the video, but the way you brought it home so cleanly made it click for me on a deeper level. Yeah, we are Venom, huh?

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much!! (And hell yeah we are!)

[@mooniera2810]

I'm gonna say it: Venom REALLY united the LGBTQIA community that day, and as a Bi-Ace (Bisexual and Asexual) person myself, I just felt pride seeing that.

[@buberbuster3365]

Although I don't particularly think this is a truth to me, I can apreciate a different take from someone more knowledgeable in those themes than me, loved the video and analysis, as always it's great to watch your videos pim

[@maxaprettyboy6512]

It's my birthday today and I was feeling a bit down, was scrolling for a distraction. This video really made me smile, thank you for making it. In Praise Of Shadows sent me to your channel and I'm very glad!

[@pimscrypt]

Happy birthday! I'm glad the video could cheer you up a bit!

[@nichtschwert3307]

Wow you were NOT kidding about the queer... is th- is this subtext? I don't even know anymore. Good stuff as always. Gonna need to gather some folks to watch these movies with sometime.

[@pimscrypt]

It goes beyond both text and subtext. It's simply *queertext*. I'd be more than happy to arrange an entire movie night on the Discord for these two films!

[@nichtschwert3307]

@@pimscrypt Oh heck yeah!

[@miraprime474]

This video turned out great! I'm so glad I got to be a part of it! 😊

[@pimscrypt]

Wouldn't have been as great if it weren't for you!

[@miraprime474]

@@pimscrypt idk about that, but thank you! 💜

[@divorced57]

this is a criminally underrated video. I had no clue so many people saw these movies the same way I did!

[@SirLaguna]

I thought I didn't need 50 minutes to be convinced that Venom is queer. It was obvious! But the reason was a lot deeper than I thought.

[@-neurasthenie-]

Soon as you posted the video I went "dammit now I have to watch them" So I did, and... fuck it, I enjoyed both of them And now I came back to watch your video and yep, yep, yep, thank you so very much Pim

[@pimscrypt]

Hell yeah! I'm glad you liked them!

[@-neurasthenie-]

@@pimscrypt Ye, quite surprising in a way Given how trashed the first film was from some people I follow maybe seeing the title of your video coloured my perception but, I dunno I had fun. For me it was like a "comedy with undertones", I didn't mind the pacing or editing or script. Brain engaged with the "right" parts and I just had a good time. Then finally watching your video afterwards I just couldn't help but "YAS, WE BE VENOM BITCH" lmao

[@SuzumeMizuno]

Your videos are always so fun and interesting!

[@agentm6644]

Just did a marathon with my gf of Venom, Venom: Let there be Carnage and your vid!

[@pimscrypt]

That is so cool! I hope you liked all of them!

[@agentm6644]

@@pimscrypt Shame that in translation to our mother language (czech) they removed all sorts of queer stuff like for example at the end venom said to Eddie: "I like you" instead of i love you

[@danielthrasher1738]

I came to check out this channel after the In Praise of Shadows callout and am at last blessedly caught up. Awesome work! Can't wait for your next video :)

[@blookwitch8973]

i still haven't seen let there be carnage yet but this makes me so excited to watch it 🥺 (also love your hair color!!!!)

[@babalovesyou]

Carnage is very mediocre if not outright bad. I enjoyed the first film but the sequel is a waste of time.

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much! I hope you'll enjoy the film!

[@spder8622]

@@babalovesyou it's much better if you don't know the actual material it was adapted from

[@babalovesyou]

@@spder8622 i dont know the original material very well and i still think its just uninspired filmaking.

[@Jane-oz7pp]

Stan Lee was definitely trying to encourage a polyamorous situation for them

[@pan5169]

Came here bc of in praise of shadows' recommendation but this video was better than anything I couldve hoped for. Thank you

[@maxinea.sakaki4151]

15:27 I never want my parents to see me when I'm using my skirt, dress or wig, I think I get that shame about myself feeling, like at first i didn't had shame for it but the day I walked to my mom dressed like that and the way she saw me and the thing she said really hurt me + when dad found my skirt he keep talking about how i cant change my gender or how even if i get operated or something is not going to look good or how he doesn't have a problem with "the gays" but he has a problem if someone in his family is like "the gays" and from those moments on I just hide it from them even if they know when I don't want to open the door is that I'm wearing something like that...

[@ImCastielsBitch01]

I'm so sorry, I hope you're better now

[@iamerror]

Great video Pim!

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much!

[@GooeyGremlin]

👏 MONSTER 👏 BOYFRIEND 👏👏👏

[@Chilick]

SM3 is actually really accurate in that aspect the symbiote has been characterized as a animal that just needs a good host. The symbiote gained more of a distinct character in the lethal protector run.

[@aurorao6327]

Love how you mix those cards!!

[@pimscrypt]

Exactly no one in this comment section are gonna get this but I love that you wrote it!

[@user-io9hj9ip2d]

It sucks that they removed the scene where Eddie tells Venom he loves him too after Venom lets it slip. At least what we got was still pretty gay.

[@pimscrypt]

I think the deleted scene would’ve worked better if he wasn’t so reluctant to admit it. We only get a “okay yeah maybe a little” after having argued about it for a while. It’s a little cute, sure, but at that point in the story I think he should’ve said it with a little more conviction. But hey, hopefully they’ll save that for the third film!

[@BaronElBardo]

Venom 3: Venom meets the gohost of the famous spanish transexual (word used by herself) celebrity called La Veneno (The Venom). Her ghost is also a powerfull symbiont who had romantic issues with Venom. Now Eddy is going to experience serious doubs about his gender and also the role of father through Venom and La Veneno symbiont childs. Who are also a danger against humanity because they have to control and accep their nature and make damage to themselves and others. Hmmm... I have a fic to write.

[@silversam]

Sampling David J Bradley in one's media analysis video essay is always the correct choice 😎

[@pimscrypt]

It sure is!

[@Furore2323]

Hey how come your videos are so good and great?!? HOW COME!?!

[@pimscrypt]

I always remember to eat my vegetables.

[@onlylaboum]

ive been watching so many videos ab Venom recently and even looked up LGBT themed videos ahh i'm UPSET at how late this video got recommended to me :( hyped to watch it rn edit: ok i agreed w most points! i didn't see all scenes used as example as queer coded and i think i missed some other scenes that did feel that way (like the toilet stall scene, the extended beach scene (tho i think Tom Hardy's fond smile before that, when he noted Venom loves him, was more convincing), the 'couple's counselling' line ofc, and Venom's commentary about the soap opera might be ab his own feelings not being validated too). i do agree that the fight scene was rather uncomfortable and felt like an unfortunate domestic ab*se joke (even if not intended). it would've been better if it leaned more heavily into either being just the fight where Eddie was a dmbass who thought he could take on the much stronger Venom with punches, or if it just showed them having a fallout and maybe Eddie throw out Venom's stuff as well. i strongly agree on that Eddie suddenly became some kind of himbo. it doesn't rly make sense, though it is funny. i love how they both share feelings for Anne though, it's kind of adorable. nonbinary masc Venom who loves their host+his ex and bi Eddie all the way! i do agree the development of their dynamic seems to distract from what should be the plot of a movie with Carnage in the title. from what we can see from the trailer for the 3rd movie, it seems that will likely not seperate these two things but develop both their bond and action-heavy plot at the same time. i'm a bit afraid one of them will d 1 e in the last movie though (to prevent more violent creatures coming to earth), judging by the title / tagline / trailer.

[@UliTroyo]

This is so cute! I completely overlooked these movies. Then again… I overlook all movies.

[@etenby699]

As someone who got tired of Spiderman after 2004, this video slaps so hard holy shit.

[@demonoiac2975]

Kinky. Ooh la, la. 😉😏😂

[@MegaRonTV]

IS RIOT GRIMES!?

[@pimscrypt]

IS Riot GRIMES???

[@hiba7832]

FINALLY! Someone's talking about it :D

[@felixmarlin3178]

Holy shit ur mustache is so dope, I'm jealous

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you! Didn’t think it was gonna suit me, but I’m pretty happy with it so far. 😎

[@agentm6644]

Damn this channel is soo underrated!!

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much!

[@A-with-the-J]

Commenting on all your videos cause apparently the algorithm likes engagement and WOW are you a hidden gem

[@mohamednail1707]

All tho Venom isn't perfect I really enjoyed it

[@pimscrypt]

Me too!

[@mohamednail1707]

@@pimscrypt I never realised how much queer Venom is until I rewatch it and that's perfect, your vedio made me want to watch the sequel thank you

[@MrRaivokasMagma]

Now I'm actually interested to watch these movies :D

[@pimscrypt]

Highly recommend it! Hope you enjoy them as much as I do!

[@8lec_R]

This was so lovely. Can someone recommend me more videos like these please

[@pimscrypt]

Well, I have a whole channel of videos if you want to take a look at it!

[@8lec_R]

@@pimscrypt I've watched your latest video it was very nice😌 But I specifically meant like queer readings, I found this very heart warming, I want more 😆

[@pimscrypt]

@@8lec_R Thank you so much! In that case I'd highly recommend Aranock! They make some great queer readings!

[@8lec_R]

@@pimscrypt watching rn ☺️

[@nrpbrown]

I liked this reading more than I liked the second movie. It was a bit too messy for my tastes. And its tangential but it really bothered me that venom sure seems like he killed a bunch of people via draining by body hopping.

[@sarat6488]

Zane sent me here. Subscribed!

[@THATGuy5654]

YOU. NEED. MORE. VIEWS. In the sense that more people should be watching your videos. Though of course you can have as many opinions as you'd like, if you're into that kind of thing.

[@nicholasgraveline7384]

Ok, I fucking love this!!

[@regishel]

It took me half a video before I liked this video, while I'm a fan of the Venom relationship in the comics (and movies), I'm not in complete agreement on your opinions/allegories or at least not the once you have in the beginning of this video and first movie. On one hand I love the Venom and Eddie Brock relationship that is in both comics and movies but I don't agree on some of the subtexts you pointed out, mainly from the beginning of that movie also Venom having a gender at all, seems to me to be wrong somehow, however I ended up enjoying your video, even though I started out not liking it at all. So disagreements aside, thanks for sharing your thoughts on one of the best Superhero movies in my opinion.

[@pimscrypt]

I think that your critique is completely fair, especially the part about Venom having a gender. From my point of view I think the films treat the two very much as boyfriends specifically. But that really just is my interpretation. There’s a clearly fluid aspect to his identity, as mentioned. I’m glad you liked the video, despite your disagreements!

[@themayhemcalling4099]

This is so damn good Pim!

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much!!

[@casper6085]

you never miss!!!

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you!

[@drown_n]

Why the fuck aren’t you more well known wtf

[@hey.its.BrandishJaye]

Shit. I need to watch these movies now.

[@pimscrypt]

Highly recommend it!

[@ShawnBirss]

I loved this. Thank you.

[@arepa13]

Amazing video as always

[@spder8622]

i mean kinda. he doesn't really fit into the same boxes humans do. he is a dude primarily because his first host was a dude. venom as in the villain combo of eddie and the symbiote are they them if you wanna spin it that way

[@pimscrypt]

This sort of feels like a thermian argument. Sure, Venom could've linked with literally anyone, human or animal, but the *story* is about him linking with Eddie specifically. And considering how the story of the films play out there is a whole lot of queer coding involved as a result.

[@spder8622]

@@pimscrypt thats true

[@Thaelyn1312]

Venooooooooom!!!111 XD I love these movies so, so much

[@pimscrypt]

I could never have imagined them being this entertaining, but they one hundred percent are - and I’m extremely happy about it!

[@Thaelyn1312]

@@pimscrypt Right?! Same! ^.^

[@babalovesyou]

Carnage is very mediocre if not outright bad. I enjoyed the first film but the sequel is a waste of time.

[@pimscrypt]

That's gonna be a hard disagree from me.

[@theketaminekid1241]

Is this satire?

[@Sagegabs]

Pffff 😂😂😂😂 the moment I saw your face was the moment I knew something was wrong here

[@ConnorKent428]

Duh.

[@Axllzz]

Can you stop claming shit as queer we dont care and you don't need to celibate it ive watch all the movies and dont see anything gay about it there two people that figure out how to get along and learn to count on each other when they need it the most

[@pimscrypt]

My dude Eddie literally gets pregnant with Venom’s baby in the comics.

[@ZakialhafisGhazali]

Nah nah nah vanom is not gay stop make Eddie and venom looks like gay it's just not happening 😂😂😂

[@acedisgrace420]

very good video ( *︾▽︾) i had a blast watching the movie with two friends in the cinema! also, Venom: Let There Be Carnage is a love story and i love that, it's fucking fantastic!!

[@DefinitelyEllie]

New subscriber here, recently watched all your videos, so it was a joy to see a new one from one the next day ^_^ I love your content and look forward to any more you make xxx Also being a transfem, I LOVE all of your feminine presentations, the hair, the makeup, the clothes, amazing

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much, that is so kind! I'm really glad you're liking my stuff, and I hope you'll enjoy what comes next just as much!

[@DefinitelyEllie]

@@pimscrypt Im sure I will! Especially with someone as cute as nice as you to present it :3

[@sinnsage]

AWESOME 👏🏽