Scary Movie: A Serious Franchise Analysis (feat. Yhara zayd)

[@michimatsch5862]

Dr. Phil being placed in a saw trap is extremely based.

[@pimscrypt]

Definitely the joke that aged the best.

[@searchingfororion]

I also find it a bit ironic that it was in parody film that he actually told the truth about who he was and what he really did. Of course, using that framework allowed him to resume business as usual with essentially zero accountability. Essentially he pulled a Shatner "Hey, I'm in on the joke too!" refrain.

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

Low key intriguing, tho I don't follow his story, so don't know the context 😅

[@utkarshed]

The read on Scream does it disservice imo. It didn't stop at Sidney having sex and not dying, it was woven into her having to deal with her mom being slutshamed, and herself being pressured to have sex by Billy. The movie actually has something to say about the way horror movies lust after the same women they judge, whereas Scary Movie only pretends to mock that oversexualisation while actually indulging in it. Instead of talking about sexual shame in women, it shames Cindy for her pubic hair. Had a similar scene been in Scream, we'd have been mad at Billy for seeing Sidney that way, but Scary Movie just wants us to find Cindy disgusting.

[@CheziahKatt]

I feel like taking stock in the liberation of female sexuality is kind of like when people reclaim kind of toxic stereotypes. Because like... that was in there to be made fun of, not to be admired. And not saying that we shouldn't do it but it would be slightly disingenuous not to acknowledge that. (Edit in: similar to your stance on Ray as a character. Like if we took the reworking of "he's into dudes, they're all oblivious" it's a reclaimed sort of stereotype but otherwise it was just humor to laugh at.)

[@pimscrypt]

I see your point, although I think the intention doesn’t necessarily have to undermine how a scene or character is ultimately read. The difference between the sex scene and Ray, I think, is that Ray’s whole arc ends with him denying who he is. Had there been a scene at the end where he says something like “yeah, I’m gay! I thought I would survive longer if I didn’t tell you all” that would’ve excused a whole lot of other things about his character. While you’re probably supposed to laugh at Cindy’s pleasure as well, I personally think it’s just easier to see the positive aspect of how that part of her character is treated.

[@cutiemcgee1187]

I want more videos on the lore of scary movie. The history, the jokes, the parodies. It's a really smart movie series, if you are a true horror fan, you'll appreciate it. It is cringe? Yes.

[@pimscrypt]

I can at least agree that I’d love to see more people make analysis videos on this franchise.

[@Sandlerverse]

I am currently working on a 3 part series on this with the first part (the Wayans Era) coming out this fall.

[@LeanFuture]

I’m using this video as my main reference any time someone asks why we can’t have comedy and raunchy films any more.

[@dextro_whatever]

I once asked my English teacher, who was really obsessed with our art being used to further social justice, if that had to be the point all the time and he basically said “you can write whatever you want but at some point you do have to circle back and make a difference” and I felt like that was a cop out and this franchise proves that you can make fun, dumb art that actually does say something about social issues but also can be mainstream (even if ultimately it was probably not successful in making any type of change).

[@MegaRonTV]

“I swear this is going to be the last time I mention this game.” But, Pim, even death is not an escape!

[@MegaRonTV]

Also, huge agree on Young Frankenstein. It’s the best.

[@pimscrypt]

The entity will keep me alive forever.

[@MegaRonTV]

@@pimscrypt “In this essay, I will examine how Dead by Daylight is the perfect metaphor for capitalism.”

[@WolfHreda]

Scary Movies 1-3 are still some of the greatest spoof comedies ever made. Right up there with The Naked Gun and Spaceballs (I know SM3 got given to Zucker. It's still good, though decidedly tamer than SM1 and 2). Scary Movie 4 is still decent, but was the beginning of the decline, in my opinion. Not Another Teen Movie and Scary Movie 3 were the genre's swansong, followed by years of Friedberg and Seltzer slowly killing the genre from the inside out. 16:04 I actually learned something about this. F&S's contributions to the first Scary Movie consist of one joke, and they more or less thought "what if we made a funnier Scream?" around the same time as the Wayans bros. So, after some back and forth through agents or whatever, they got their names tacked on the end of the writer credits, and rode that star to fertile fields of mediocrity for the rest of their careers. Lastly, I'm fairly confident in saying (this week, at least) that Scary Movie 2 is my favorite of the bunch. And that almost solely lies on the shoulders of Regina Hall. She absolutely shined throughout the movie.

[@glitchwolfe]

These movies were my FAVORITES growing up! I didn't even catch on to the later ones being bad until I saw date movie in theaters. It's funny how, as a trans person, I've always spoke up for the first two entries based on my childhood experiences and yet I completely forgot about the blatant transphobia and ableism in those entries. Still, they're pretty foundational movies that are absolutely worth the analysis you've shared here. Great video! (Also I cracked tf up at "two thousand and zero", thank you)

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much Zoë!

[@Argacyan]

31:40 This also reminded me of other Americanizations of different films. You can see a similar thing with REC and Quarantine for zombie films, where they stripped the plot of everything that made it Catalonian & removing the religious aspects for no other reason than that there were other zombie films with biological causes at the time.

[@pimscrypt]

Oh yeah REC and Quarantine is another great example, for sure!

[@THATGuy5654]

I generally dismissed almost all of these as "reference movies" rather than proper parodies. In retrospect, I love Airplane!, which might not actually conform to whatever standards I was setting for parodies. Maybe I need to give at least the first couple of Scary Movies a revisit.

[@CheziahKatt]

Dracula dead and loving it was good, repossessed was not bad iirc

[@pimscrypt]

I can’t say I would recommend watching any of them in their entirety, but then again I also think it’s good to explore and make up your own opinion about pieces of media.

[@waternous]

I knew even before watching this that I was gonna love hearing your perspective and Yhara Zayd's on the topic, and that ended up being true! I first want to congratulate you because this video was really cool and interesting to listen to regarding the horror genre, as well as what we can take away from the franchise. I would like to talk a little bit about the Scream comparison and my take on it. Scary Movie 1 was a movie I really didn't like (and I didn't watch the sequels because of this), and of course the comparison with Scream is something almost everyone already talked about, but I think there is a reason why Scream resonated with me a lot more. Scream is deconstructing the slasher subgenre, but it does so in a way that feels not only really well thought out, but also not self-deprecating at all. That maybe isn't the right word, but basically it's not ashamed of being a horror film. Because of this approach, I think it's able to tackle the subgenre's tropes and problems really well, while also telling a emotional story and having fun with itself. But because It's already a pretty good deconstruction of a slasher, if you decide to use this as a basis for a parody, there is a problem : Where do you go from here? How do you deconstruct and/or parody this even further? And for me the answer Scary Movie 1 chose was to abandon subtlety, and just be mean and vulgar. Now, subletly isn't automatically good of course, it's just a tool. And when it comes to creators from marginalised and oppressed groups, it would be really disrespectful to tell them that they shouldn't be loud and direct regarding important topics, especially when they finally have an opportunity to tell the stories they want in the way they want (the negative response behind Black Christmas 2019 is really frustrating because of this). Unfortunately, the way Scary Movie 1 chooses to be loud is by falling into offensive stereotypes, drowning in ableism, homophobia and transphobia (the scenes with Miss Mann almost made me stop watching for how awful her character was written and portrayed) Because of this, not only does the movie makes a pretty bad impression, it also makes the better jokes in the movies either not land for me, or are way too simplistic, like the Halloween reference with the killer being seen from the class window. With that being said, I definitely agree with your conclusion that thoses movies are interesting, it's important to talk about that, and your analysis as well as Yhara Zayd's was fascinating to listen to, and I also learned a lot of stuff from it, so it was a really cool to watch! Great job!

[@pimscrypt]

Someone pointed out a quote from Community while I was writing the script for this video. Something like “The time of subtlety is over, it died with Scary Movie”, and I think that’s fairly accurate. I think that describes a bunch of both the good and the bad of this franchise. I can see your point about Scream commentating on the genre without looking down on it, and that I can agree with for sure. However, I think it sometimes, or even often, prioritize it’s own literacy of horror media over hard hitting commentary. Still, I’ve grown to enjoy the franchise. I especially liked Scream 5! Thank you for the kind words! I’m very glad you liked the video, and the work we both put into it!

[@vaporwaverabbit3389]

Oh... THIS is gonna be GLORIOUS.

[@A-with-the-J]

Commenting on all your videos cause apparently the algorithm likes engagement and WOW are you a hidden gem

[@Verdelish]

Love the collab with Yhara zayd!! Two great underrated channels coming together 💚

[@MisterFister612]

We need the Wayans Brothers to return to make Parody Movies again. weather if people get offended by their style of comedy i see that as a good thing. Scary movie 1 and 2 are still a blast to this day. they were unfiltered in the best way possible in terms of comedy were people could just laugh at the sheer stupidity. it wasnt high brow but it was fun.

[@MainelyMandy]

This was great! Loved seeing you work with Yhara! Edit: also my favorite horror parody is definitely Young Frankenstein as well.

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much Mandy!!

[@nathanforester5993]

The third movie and fourth movie to me did still kind of reference some horror movies (I mean I guess you could call 'Signs' one even though it's science fiction and yeah I know The Village is a horror movie). And then there's the fifth...yeah, you can tell they are just making fun of the movies that came out at the time.

[@liallialcroc]

as a disabled person i love horror movies but i myself cant rewatch the scary movie movies because of the heavy ableism, i myself only have 1 hand

[@profoundunderdog]

Great work, both of you. These aren't films I've really considered since I first saw them (and I only ever saw the first two), and it gave me a lot to think about on their perspective on horror. The Wayans can be hit and miss, and they took the "easy" route too often, but you guys are absolutely right that it is fascinating to look at this as their view of the tropes in horror movies. For a horror parody recommendation, it's not a big goofy parody like this, or Brooks' stuff, but I got a real kick out of The Rise of Leslie Vernon. I also consider Final Destination 2 to be a parody, and a brilliant one, but apparently it's actually a serious movie.

[@DavetheTurnip]

That you made a look at the Scary Movie franchise this engaging is high praise in itself. 😀

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you! That is too kind!

[@StrangeNewTube]

I am a reformed conservative Christian and i have fallen in love with your content. Very intellectually stimulating and you are very well-spoken. I'm a proud new subscriber, friend. Keep making videos!

[@kprocess9058]

Amen brother

[@MrChocodemon]

Top tier video. As someone who has seen more ScaryMovie films than actual horror films, this was immensely interesting.

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much! That is very kind!

[@weslleyfj]

Never thought I needed a Scary Movie breakdown until I got one

[@TindraSan]

I still rly love the bit in Scary Movie 4 where the guy keeps fighting off the ghosts to hide them from the potential buyer XD

[@themightyjinjojo]

Really excellent video Pim, you analysis is always fantastic! I found it fascinating when you acknowledged the troublesome aspects of the Scary Movie franchise are still imbedded in modern horror movies. The ableism in Barbarian and the queer coded villain of The Black Phone are aspects that truly detracted from 2 films I really liked. Keep up the great work!

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much! This video went through a bunch of stages while I was writing it. Originally it was supposed to basically be a dunking type of thing, with a lot more focus on jokes. However as I wrote more I started thinking about that connection and realized I was gonna have to shift my focus. I’m pretty satisfied with how things turned out in the end!

[@themightyjinjojo]

@@pimscrypt Your absolutely welcome! That's super cool how the video evolved, as I thought it might be a takedown of the franchise and was fascinated by your more nuanced examination. I also love you worked with Yhara zayd, her videos are awesome!

[@MrRaivokasMagma]

I have only watched the one with Leslie Nieslen, because school kids wanted to watch it... But still nice to hear interesting to hear thoughts on more unique perspective, than I wouldn't think about.

[@recycledMilk]

This was a FANTASTIC watch and really help me sort through all my thought on the movies!

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much!! It always warms my heart when I’m able to help someone see a new perspective!

[@Fallen_Angel_AA]

Honestly, I tried re watching the first movie recently, couldn't really bring myself to finish it, I'm a little to sensitive I guess, I can't believe my kid self watched all of them (not really sure why I was allowed to watch them). Awesome video as always by the way.

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you! I think it's just a simple case of "we didn't know any better". I mean, I very much enjoyed watching the recording of Scary Movie 3 that my parents had on their DVD player when I was a kid. At the very least it's nice to see how much we've grown as people since then.

[@anmanarrative]

This was so much fun, really excellent video! I don't really have much connection to the Scary Movie franchise. I've watched a couple of the films, but I can't say they really stuck with me. I had a bit of fun watching them mostly just to see familiar horror scenes twisted to ridiculous levels, but I don't think I'll be returning to them anytime soon. However you've given me a bit more appreciation for some things the early films did, Buffy especially feels like a character I overlooked so thank you for that. And thank you for introducing me to Yhara! Her part in this was absolutely fascinating, I'll definitely have to check out her work. I will say though, that scene in Scary Movie 4 where they speak random Japanese words always bothered me too. I didn't clock the whitewashing of Japanese horror at the time because I'd only seen the American remakes of The Ring and The Grudge, but the racism was still clear. But what really bothered me is that I feel like this could have been a funny scene... if the ghost spoke proper Japanese. He literally says "your Japanese is shit", but that means nothing if he's saying the same nonsense as her. If he had spoken in actual Japanese then the joke would be at the expense of the racists instead of just being racist and nothing else. Would it have made the film any better? Probably not and I doubt anyone else cares, but it feels like a waste of a setup.

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much!!

[@KingJim97]

that crossmap hatchet by huntress was sick, hope it wasn't iri head ;D

[@pimscrypt]

Thankfully not this time. 😎

[@rincewind4202]

My favourite thing about scary movie is a throwaway line in Scream 6 that implies Scary movie exists in the scream universe which is kind of messed up in my opinion

[@pimscrypt]

I think I missed that?? I'm gonna have to rewatch it! Either way, it's a pretty funny and intriguing implication.

[@1986BNick]

I think this Spoof Slapstick Comedy franchise was made to be a response to stuff like all the horror movie fans at the time acting like they know everything about comedy because those legit horror movies were supposed to be SATIRE. What people fail to realize that this was the same decade where people watched popcorn flicks with very little allegory and absorbed some of the wrong stuff when it came to movies like Starship Troopers. Then people wonder why Idiocracy is being called a documentary. Just remember? Some of these directors and writers were NEVER COMEDIANS.

[@fallingpetunias9046]

Me: How are there so few likes? Oh. Video is 6 hours old Great video! Haven't seen your stuff before and will probably be going back through.

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you so much! I hope you’ll like my other stuff as well!

[@SadeN_0]

Hey, this was really good. Looking forward to checking out more of your stuff. How did you like Scream (2022) btw?

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you! I’d say Scream 5 is one one my favorites in the series. It had a clear point and executed it well. On paper, Scream 6 could’ve been even better, but I think it squandered its potential to say something actually profound about true crime obsession.

[@Ebeeto]

I have started furiously waiting.

[@biboofers6390]

Yeah the homophobia and transphobia is like. Completely standard shit for the era. Makes it really uncomfortable to go back and watch stuff from that time.

[@Gabe0001]

Eh

[@hallehuckleberry]

i subscribed for more in depth stuff on the horror genre :)

[@Jane-oz7pp]

Oh, yes please, this is what I'm here for.

[@camperroni7935]

This video aged well because Scary Movie 6 is currently slated to come out next year…

[@pimscrypt]

Without any proof I will claim all the credit for me and yhara haha!

[@HeroSavesTheDay]

I’m gay and I see no homophobia in the bathroom death….

[@Unwebonnn]

right they're more making fun of Ray denying that he's gay if anything

[@hallehuckleberry]

i love this video essay

[@Loch1210]

I thought the Ft was that girl from blackish and grownish when I saw her name

[@DanielSantosAnalysis]

So weird watching this now, knowing that I thought these movies were so funny when they came out and seeing how poorly they aged.

[@pimscrypt]

I hate to make the comparison, but I bet this is what the Nostalgia Critic felt a lot of the time as he was starting out.

[@DanielSantosAnalysis]

@@pimscrypt Sad considering that's also how I feel about NC himself.

[@pimscrypt]

@@DanielSantosAnalysis Oh god, for sure!

[@stampede274]

I'm a little more optimistic about the Backrooms movie since it's literally being made by the same teenage film prodigy who created the most iconic version.

[@pimscrypt]

I kinda look at it the same way as when the director of the original Ju-On: The Grudge got the gig to direct the remake. Sure, the creator is there, but the project is still going to suffer from being removed from it's original context. The Backrooms film might turn out to be good, I actually hope it does. I don't expect it to be able to properly capture the strength of the original concept though.

[@marcusaguilar874]

I’ve seen better parody movies that make scary movie look like shit. Which it is. Shaun of the Dead Borat Movie Shrek Black Dynamite Hot Fuzz This is the End Tropic Thunder Monty Python and the Holy Grail Monty Python’s Life of Brian Airplane Team America World Police Cabin in the woods The Boys tv show Young Frankenstein

[@Furore2323]

+1 Yhara Zayd points

[@SingingSealRiana]

My favorit horror parody is cabin in the wood, to be fair, I am not much of a horror watcher, but more of a reader and listener. Jumspscares do nothing for me, I am not into senseless voilance and empty characters waiting ti get killed of. I either need a strong story or captivating characters . . . all in all, its my favorit basically cause I only know that one, scream and scary movie when it comes to parodies. I love horror itself though. I am rather partial to the haunting of bly manor, midnight mass and the fall of the house of usher. crypTV, horror podcasts like the magnus archive, a voice from darkness, the gothic horror classics like frankenstein and dracula, hp lovecraft though I am really glad the guy is dead or else I would not touch his writings with pliers and gloves . . . for me horror works best if it makes you do a good part of the work yourself . . . the aliens from the thing and alien are at bets gross to look at . . . but stranger things, there the investment in the characters goes a long way at making it work!

[@BlackAutMedia]

Seriously fantastic work on this. I’ve always liked the first scary movie as a sort of racial parody but it still involved having to sift through the queerphobia extensively among other issues. Raised a lot of excellent points throughout the video.

[@pimscrypt]

Thank you! That’s so very kind of you!

[@thenegativoneify]

My takeaway= dbd is such a great game

[@pimscrypt]

That is, one hundred percent, the main point of this video.

[@thejonbrownshow8470]

24:18 not sure if it's because I'm not watching this in just one near sitting, but since when she looks like she had down syndrome 😅? She sometimes get a cross eyed look when some slapstick happens, but i don't see it.

[@pimscrypt]

That’s the supposed “joke” the film is doing. She doesn’t look like that at all, but the characters just randomly have to be rude about her appearance, for some reason. And yeah, it’s not funny.

[@Thesavageeye]

Scary movie was Wonderful Scary Movie 2 was Fantastic Scary Movie 3 was Great Scary Movie 4 was good (only thanks to Cindy & Brenda) Scary movie 5 was TRAILER TRASH

[@domingosjunior6805]

Sorry but Scary movie was not the first Slasher parody...

[@pimscrypt]

I don’t remember saying that it was.

[@domingosjunior6805]

you dint but the girl did@@pimscrypt

[@sevach]

Wholly fuck never again, damn youtube rabbit hole.

[@Broeckchen]

PIM VIDEO PIM VIDEO PIM VIDEO, DAY BRIGHTENED!!!!

[@pimscrypt]

YOU BEING HERE BRIGHTENS MY DAY!

[@djkdosduhdjd5550]

Seek Christ in these final moments 🤎

[@Loch1210]

I don’t even remember pt 5

[@pimscrypt]

I'm not even sure the people who were involved with the film remembers it.

[@Loch1210]

There is a black scream killer on the TV show

[@collecticus]

I don't get The Grudge complain. It feels Japanese, not American since it's the same director (who literally just made an exact same movie).

[@callumbyrne4263]

Engagement

[@lucasholmberg5708]

when I watch scary movie I laugh more at how seriously idiotic people were in the early 2000 and before. I dont laugh at any of these characters per se I laugh at the incredible stupidity of people having these stereotypical beliefs.

[@Professor_Kovu]

Mrs man has ALWAYS made everyone laugh when watching this movie. Always gets the room cringing and laughing. Love it

[@pimscrypt]

[CITATION NEEDED]

[@ethanhart129]

I adore scary movie 3

[@domingosjunior6805]

The only good part of 2 is The exorcist

[@SingingSealRiana]

horror and getting bloody also always get percived as only for men, ignoring that horror is usually a thing that attracts those who are afraid so they can work through it and with periods birth and how likely it is for women to be subjected to voilance we do get our fair share of blood . . . for men its often the exitment of something foreign and new . . . for women horror can be more like an old aquaintance. Same logic for poc, getting put in situations devoid of control, having to be afraid for even those who claim to be on your side might harm you . . .horror absolutly is a genre for the opressed, marginalised, abandoned and targeted by society! getting stalked, getting disbelieved, having to fear walking down a dark street or empty hallway, those are dangers and everyday fears for women that men often just do not get, but horror movies validate and poc and queer people share a lot of the same experiences. The reason why someone is targetet might differ, but that does not change the similarity in fear and response

[@skeetsofrage9517]

5 mins in - nah

[@BD-go6ic]

Ngl, y'all should apologize! 🤭

[@pimscrypt]

For what?

[@searchingfororion]

@@pimscrypt I think they meant the people who subjected you to the topic. Your opening was hilariously lacking in overwhelming joy.

[@vengeanceconscious9774]

Bruh, no one was supposed to be offended by the queer jokes , you are just soft.

[@GeneBanyard]

you need to calm down

[@ijudgeyou9598]

But it's the fact that trans loop hole happens where a man can declare they he is a woman inorder to sexualy harras biological women. There are people who wants to express themselves and there are people who will exploit that, be it an individual who commits personal crimes or a company trying to pander during pride month. We need better policies rather than just letting it happen.

[@alvatenebrae8622]

This was really cool and well thought out video thanks but uhhh ngl with this shirt and low key how white u is u kinda look Beetlejuice so I couldn't look at you

[@pimscrypt]

Can’t argue with that.

[@SheilaTheGrate]

If you haven't already seen it, I highly recommend the documentary based on Robin Coleman's book, Horror Noire. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_Noire:_A_History_of_Black_Horror

[@pimscrypt]

I think I've seen that poster somewhere before. I'll check it out for sure!