Nissan Rogue Driveshaft U-joints: Follow-up

[@wyattoneable]

I always enjoy your videos because you don't just change parts, you analyze the failures.

[@dtnel]

That is one thing I do like about having a full service driveline shop locally. With my 04 Tahoe I replaced all plastic welded u-joints a few years ago. Took it up there afterwards for balancing as it's always recommended to get the driveshaft balanced after replacing the u-joint. I learned that over 25 yrs ago working on Semi Trucks. We always balanced them after replacement unless customer declined. Yes it was extra time and money but it eliminated comebacks. The ones who declined were normally back in the next trip having us get it balanced anyways as they'd feel it. The plastic welded GM ones, always get them balanced as you'll find out sooner than later that you should've if you don't.

[@dtnel]

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[@dtnel]

Ian, If I recollect properly I emailed you quite awhile back. My email addy begins with a dtnel . IF you have it please email me as I have some questions for you. Just a couple generalized questions but better left for a private convo. If you don't have it message me thru the KZbin messaging portal and I'll go desktop so I can see it as I normally am mobile as not much needs a desktop or laptop these days.

[@AP9311]

Ivan thanks for the video! Great analysis and short to the point diagnosis. Great job, good buy on that new shaft. Safety is first than repairing it! Take care, Ivan!

[@somerandomguy3868]

Can't imagine what they were thinking non replaceable u joints, good luck with it, looks like it stands a better chance now

[@gregcromer8406]

I am interested in seeing how long the aftermarket holds up because I will be in the market for a new shaft in the near future. Thanks for being my test mule Ivan, and making this video!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

We'll see what goes first...the new CVT or the new driveshaft!

[@Paul1958R]

Ivan, Great video - great fix! That looks like a good aftermarket part and should last a long time. God bless Paul

[@charlesmiller5078]

In the thousands of service calls I made in my career, I never used the term " failure analogous " (sp). Wish I would of, sounds so professional. You must of learnt that in College.

[@adamtrombino106]

I remember that original vid. If it were my car, I'd have tried what you did too. However, not with a customer's ride. Thx for sharing that parts source! Sure beats $8-1100 for Subbies or 11-$1600 for VWs! Local driveline shops won't even touch staked u-joints here.

[@lotsaprojects]

The ebay part is probably a Rockford 430-11A. It's easy to install, but with the angled, unmachined surface of the driveshaft, only a small fraction of the snap rings touch, and on some driveshafts (like mine) there may still be a gap allowing side to side play. The Spicer 5-3201X has a larger cross with the proper cap size that extends deeper into the cap holes and probably would have prevented the failure that Ivan experienced, and may have even worked on his damaged driveshaft, but since the grooves are spaced too wide, centering and securing the caps are up to you. The large cross is a very tight fit that may require light filing of the u-joint forging marks to install. I centered by sight, checked on the car with an angle gauge, then tack welded the caps. If you are comfortable doing this, I think it's a more robust part. A slightly smaller cross than the Spicer, maybe easier to find, and no filing is the Rockford 430-11, or the even smaller TUS-11. If you want the easiest install, check out the Rockford 430-11A and its rebrands and clones, possibly a Pronto PT430-11A or TUS-11A, but you may have the same failure shown in the video.

[@malefrmbk]

This drive shaft is 300 to over 400 used i think buying it new for the same price and warranty is worth it...Thanks for the vid...

[@leedress2187]

you should ask Johnathan W in NC if he can weld up some more area on that flange. I would think that buggered out area could be rebuilt.

[@RussellBooth1977]

I got a new tailshaft made up for my 2002 Holden VY SS Commodore about 4 years ago (43,000 kilometres or about 27,000 miles) & I replaced the universal joint in it yesterday because it started vibrating at about April last year. I replaced the centre bearing in it last due to vibrations but it came back a bit of a vibrating feeling,I replaced the universal joint because there was vibrations,note that the universal joints shouldn't feel tight which means that they're binding up. The trunnions had too much play which I Think was causing a vibration at 40 km (25 mph) due to 0.4mm (0.016") of play so I made 2 × 0.2mm (0.008") thick shims out of a Milo ( Australian energy food drink lid), they have external circlips,not internal circlips or Snap rings,note that I have kept the old universal joint &;I want to inspect it & possibly reuse it if the one that I have fitted failed. It is a possibility that the old universal joint was 0.4mm (0.016") off centre. Now there's no vibration. I would've had to beware earlier on because an eBay seller was pressing new universal joints into the old tailshaft yokes where the original ones were staked into position,the problem with that is that they were tack welding the new caps into position & it's very hard to get them centred which is why I ordered a brand new aftermarket tailshaft because who knows how many eBay sellers returned them & they're not getting sold like that on eBay anymore !

[@kennethbode2017]

As long as you seem to keep cars it's probably a good investment

[@willefixit]

no used shafts got to be alot in junk yard with those bad trans hey under 400 good choise. thought that was a good fix on the un fixable hey on the road again.

[@WiscomptonBoys]

I just did a set of U joints on a Rogue as well. The time spent to replace them was significant compared to a good old truck drive shaft or the like.. I’d probably elect to just replace the drive shaft in the future. I also found that the new U-joints aren’t an exact fit. If you press the caps in just far enough to get the clips on them there is still 1/8” of play.. so you have to carefully press the caps in a little at a time on each side and measure how deep they are.. it’s not an exact science and then in the end you have the slop taken out, but the clips on the caps aren’t holding them anymore, the only thing keeping the caps in place is the press fit. The clip will stop the cap coming all the way out, but without the OEM stakes the cap is free to work its way back to bottom out on the clip.. time will tell if the press fit is tight enough to stop this from happening or not. So, my conclusion is the same as yours, not worth the time and effort to do U joints, just replace the shaft.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Yup 👍

[@fieldsofomagh]

Looks a proper driveshaft and repairable !!

[@jamespn]

Great video Ivan, the eBay seller should have sent you another drive shaft, because good will would go a long way with someone who regularly orders parts on line and they would have gotten a positive shout out from your channel. Keep up the good work.

[@baxrok2.]

You had to do it. Looks like a good fix Ivan!

[@zx8401ztv]

Yep buggered, lucky it didn't fly apart in use. Your wife is lucky to have a man with skills in many directions :-D

[@DavidStrchld]

You indicated that it may be possible, by removing the driveshaft perhaps, that the AWD Rogue could run just fine and dandy as a FWD car? Is this the case?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Yup

[@SavannaSims4-y9l]

​​@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics what if the rear differential is bad

[@__WJK__]

So how difficult is to pull a t-case on a AWD 2016 Rogue... can't seem to find a single video on youtube(?) Unfortunately two separate trans shops claim my Rogue's t-case needs to be replaced due to a low groan/humming noise coming from underneath the middle half of the car :'(

[@Doamino41]

I have a 2010 Nissan Rogue with the same problem. Went out of town one Saturday and on the way home the car started vibrating. A couple days later a mechanic replaced the drive-shaft with a brand new one and charged me $750 to replace it. $600 for the part and $150 in labor. But I saw online a new drive-shaft runs around $300. Was I overcharged?

[@roxanneabbott8424]

I enjoy all your videos Ivan! But I miss your step by step videos, I would like to have seen this one, cuz I remember that you had those white lines drawn on their for a reason.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Here I just popped in a new driveshaft...plug and play :)

[@roxanneabbott8424]

Thank you again Ivan!

[@johnmastr7901]

i bought my subaru shaft there, works great.

[@adamtrombino106]

That's great to know because those have previously only been available from Subbie and the few apps in the aftermarket were still almost $800 .

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

I suspect any driveshaft shop could supply a replacement yoke.

[@juansilva3927]

I recently had that replaced and the car goes on reverse and fordward but when u drive it it wont go more than 15 miles an hour mechanich told me is a comunication problem between the computer and the transmition . Any thought on what it can be ?

[@billneu9520]

never miss your videos Thanks for your time Bill N LI NY

[@Codename-SubZero]

Is there a video of what noise it would make. ?

[@MDWaller100]

Sucks that you had to buy a new shaft but at least it uses snap rings instead of staked in u joints. What was Nissan thinking?

[@kailibabyy37]

Did you just take the whole drive shaft off? My 2010 Rogue has this problem and I need to get to work in the meantime...... until the part arrives. Is it okay to just take it off and drive it like that for a week or two? Thanks!!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

You can take it off and drive it forever in 2WD!

[@kailibabyy37]

Awesome!! Thank you! I ordered the part you linked but have to wait about a week so we took it off and so far so good 🙂

[@supervonto]

Anyway you can make a video on the center bearing replacement

[@robertmoore203]

I had a 2008 rogue joint was no good and had to replace entire shaft, bought used for $350. A buddy had a 2010 rogue and joint blew out while driving had thousands in damage.

[@ebonybranch4629]

What year is your Nissan, and did the transmission have to be taken off when you put the drive shaft on ?

[@SmittySmithsonite]

Ahh crap! Well at least you got through the winter - that's the main thing. That's not too bad a price there, Ivan. I replaced a driveshaft assembly on an older Toyota Highlander - $700 for the complete assembly! That stupid thing had 3 U-joints, 2 carrier (support) bearings, AND a CV! Ridiculous design .... which Toyota topped off with "unserviceable" U-joints, like the Nissan. The Toyota dealership quoted the lady $1,800 for the job!! 🤯

[@fire7765]

Great video, thx for sharing.

[@cclngthr]

Sometimes it is better to replace a questionable part, than try to fix it. I was told by the shop that the cv axle on the drivers side of my car needs replacing, but questioned whether the passenger side needs replacing as well. I replaced both axles. However when I did that, i found on the drivers side ball joint pinch bolt on the drivers side was a torx bolt where the other side was a hex head bolt. I know when the control arm on the passenger side, all of the hardware was replaced with new, but was wondering if the pinch bolt on the OEM side is a torx or hex? I want to know which one is original. Since you have a earlier version of the contour, can you check and see if it is the torx head ot hex head on the ball joint pinch bolt?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

hmmm don't remember any hex bolts on my Mystique, and I replaced both front control arms a year ago. Doesn't really matter either way, if the bolt is high quality :)

[@cclngthr]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Thanks. The bolt on the passenger side is new since the lower control arm assembly was replaced 2 years ago. We replaced all the hardware when that was done. I plan on swapping the torx bolt with a grade 8 bolt when i change out the oil and transmission fluid. Also, here is something a Ford engineer told me a while back, which applies to all cars. Magnafine makes a small magnetic cooler line filter for the automatic transmission and power steering system. The filter is installed on the output line of the cooler lines and filters the fluid better than the OEM filter.

[@cclngthr]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Here is the website. magnefinefilters.com You can put one on this car. Keeps the fluid cleaner.

[@jader8214]

How much miles this car has?

[@colossalman]

Can you tell me what year your rogue is? I can not find U-joints for my 2012 rogue adn the O'reilly's said it probably doesn't have U-joints, it has a CV driveshaft. I was told by the Tow-truck driver it needed U-joints (front driveshaft just came loose and I should replace the U-joints at the same time) thanks!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Rear driveshaft is non serviceable, get an aftermarket assembly for $400 online

[@CSkwirl]

Oh come on Ivan, you can totally weld that yoke up and give it some more life ;-p

[@CSkwirl]

.......for science

[@thewt]

SCAN TOOL QUESTION! It seems every northeastern automotive tech on youtube has a launch x431 diagun. But whats the big difference between a diagun and a pro mini? Is it simply size or are there more programming or bidirectional controls offered with the pro mini?

[@roccos7502]

Same exact software,( hardware might be different RAM and Storage) and of course the design is different.

[@graymodeler]

Hey, it's the wife's car. You did the correct thing.

[@jaredstrehlein5605]

happy wife, happy life

[@joachimjohan1215]

sweet thx for sharing!

[@JSchrumm]

Non serviceable u joints?

[@SmittySmithsonite]

Toyota does this, too. They're not meant to be replaced, and aren't even shown on a schematic.

[@jaredstrehlein5605]

Yeah that is a stupid idea.

[@hpelisr]

Its hard to believe that they don't sale a replacement flange for that repair?

[@jaredstrehlein5605]

I hear that. However, maybe a boneyard would have a used flange in better shape.

[@jeremyanthony9300]

Ivan, I saw in a pic that you met Cuba from Cuba's automotive. What was that woman like? Lmk. Excellent video by the way.

[@richardcranium5839]

i really think if you found a spec sheet you could have found a better u joint for that application. but it got you through

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

These staked-in shafts use weird size joints. I tried to cross-reference to Moog and Spicer, but no luck as you saw in Part 1 :(

[@richardcranium5839]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics yeah i remember. the good old days on paper sometimes its so much easier to find things. wonder how much got tossed in fear it would get on the internet

[@richiegeorge7013]

Would it be possible to just remove that shaft and have only front wheel drive?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Yeah that's what I did for the whole summer :)

[@richiegeorge7013]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics thanks!

[@hmdwn]

Hold on; so, on a 2011 Rogue the original equipment U-joints are NOT replaceable, because you stated the "first joint failed causing the second joint to fail" Researching for my neighbor as her local mechanic 'today' told her her 2011 OEM U joints are not replaceable and the entire shaft needs to be replaced" (to me that seems odd) I worked on a lot of older domestic vehicles... every U-joint-(universal) was replaceable (press-out/press-in install new C-clips) Mechanic is charging her $1,200 for the new driveshaft.

[@orville58]

Glad for the new video thanks

[@ورشةمهديلفحصوبرمجةوصيانةالسيار]

My friend, I am a modern electrician from Iraq. I follow up on what I publish

[@aaronhuff4484]

So you just let it sit and didn't drive it for the rest of winter?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

No, it's always on the road :)

[@diymisfit_Mechanic_UDX404]

Bummer, thats sucks. Another option would be, you could of taken the old flange to a weld shop, have them fill void, or do it yourself. Then take to a machine shop and have them drill it back to original spec.

[@miriamvivo4279]

Nice job ivan saludos

[@randyhughes5160]

I can’t believe you ended a video and did not install the part and give it a test

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

eh that was kind of uneventful lol

[@elcheapo5302]

Sometimes you're better off getting the shaft. ;)

[@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP]

*A CORRECT PART IS PRICELESS*

[@juergenscholl2843]

Used to Mexican standards a capable machine shop would just fix the yoke. Even with U.S. labour costs this is cheaper than shipping the " new quality part" from off shore, not even mentioning ecological aspects. Economy at it worst??

[@MrRShoaf]

Another "superior" Japanese design? Is ot as reliable as your Mercury?

[@miriamvivo4279]

2006 subie sti in shop for po448 gave up

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Never give up! But Subaru EVAP systems can be a bit tricky ;)

[@rtta51]

Didn't like the process when you started that job. Are those the ones you got on eBay? Oh well, live and learn.

[@phuongto6097]

Do not replace whole driveshaft which is too expensive [ over $1000] . Just by PRECISION UNIVERSAL JOINT 341 about 40 dollars and replace it .It is very simple and save a lot money .The difficult is to know how to find correct number driveshaft joint

[@bobhenderson7961]

Come on Ivan your slacking, you've got a welder and a drill with a new uj that was fixable with little cost

[@rrmech11]

👍👍

[@mikeholt3545]

Ivan ,buddy, its time.get a Toyota!

[@mikechiodetti6737]

Fingers crossed.

[@johnr8476]

Now I understand why Nissan named them Rogue. $$$

[@throttlebottle5906]

Rogue Robbery =p

[@battlehrfred]

NISSAN WANTS TO MAKE dollars remember,its about cash in the bank for NISSAN

[@beatrizelenalara6436]

Flecha cardal 2008

[@Anonymous-it5jw]

If you like the comfort of the Amazon Prime 2-day free shipping and 30 day return policy, plus warranty, one might consider this item: www.amazon.com/SKP-SK946236-Drive-Shaft

[@jakeandrus690]

The Ivan i know would have built up the flange with a welder and re machined the hole!!!!

[@Kro_man_tx]

That's what I was thinking, or have someone machine a new one.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

haha I was just tired of taking this stupid shaft off and on the car xD

[@jaredstrehlein5605]

Its the wife's car repaired quick and safe. Case closed.

[@Kro_man_tx]

@@jaredstrehlein5605 - where's the fun in that? Your wife will love you more if she breaks down in the rain because of your janky repair, especially if you are out of town on a hunting trip for 5 days. Ask me how I know...😋

[@jp9579]

Very expensive to own AWD. This is as pricey as owning a 4x4 truck when it needs axle work

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

yeah, but it gets you through a foot of snow no problem!

[@ورشةمهديلفحصوبرمجةوصيانةالسيار]

My friend, I am a modern electrician from Iraq. I follow up on what I publish

[@CubasAutomotive]

So does Ivan. ...

[@Peter_Riis_DK]

Why do we need to know that, Alfandy?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

And the most random comment of the day goes to... :D

[@ورشةمهديلفحصوبرمجةوصيانةالسيار]

@@Peter_Riis_DKI love to follow the experiences and work in the field of car maintenance

[@SmittySmithsonite]

I am a modern auto technician. I throw tools, and drink rum. 😃

[@hornett22]

get your wife a Toyota already!

[@jeremyanthony9300]

If it's the wife's car, why didn't you just replace the whole drive shaft?

[@anthonyp.harvey5985]

Practice what you preach.... After market garbage.... I didn't see Nissan on that driveshaft.

[@anthonyrebock5351]

Knee son, son of knee...oh yeah, it's a renault.

[@opl500]

Nissan ain't what they used to be. I still remember that turd of a B210 - lasted for over 200k with nothing but basic maintenance. That 1.6l was magical, hair trigger clutch and 4 torques at idle.

[@jaredstrehlein5605]

Is Nissan just the discontinued Datsun Brand?

[@gaad7938]

Jared Strehlein I believe Datsun made the decision to change their name to Nissan back in the 70's. Was touted by industry experts as a death sentence for the company - abandoning a well known name for one entirely unknown. My dad had a B210 pickup that he really loved. That thing was a workhorse. My older brother borrowed it one weekend to pull stumps from his property. The old girl never hiccupped. Except for a few years of life removed from the clutch pressure plate no damage.

[@robertevans6481]

Happy wife happy life...

[@kevinbyrne4538]

Key to a happy marriage -- fix the wife's car Pronto.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

YES lol

[@opl500]

A machine shop could fabricate a flange, but it would probably not be $$$ to do so

[@opl500]

"Ebay"

[@vitaly_vasilev_2012]

спа

[@CravinMorehead420]

Rogue went rouge. Too powerful..

[@canadiantrucker9574]

Why would you buy anything on Ebay? That's so 90s man.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I love eBay...and the 90s haha

[@canadiantrucker9574]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics just for shits and giggles I checked the cost of companion flange u joint for your Nissan. It looks like they make you buy a whole driveshaft assembly for 475. Nissan sucks guy...

[@byrd203]

Don't use after Market Parts and replace all Broken Parts think before you Replace Don't Do things Half Ass like he did if any doubt replace it

[@rusco321]

U look really tired, get some sleep.

[@Charles_Mulberry_7977]

Uh, ohhh! Chinesium failure!

[@hunting447]

You bought eBay u-joints to replace non serviceable u-joints and they went bad? Huh. Quit being cheap and buy a driveshaft.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

At least it got him through the winter. That was his main goal - if it made it longer, bonus.

[@hunting447]

Smitty Smithsonite yeah that’s all good until it breaks and causes an accident.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

@@hunting447 - You've got a better chance of winning the lottery ... AND getting hit by lightning ... TWICE ... than to have a driveshaft let go and cause an accident. The vibration would be so violent prior to this, you'd have to be dead not to notice and do something about it.

[@hunting447]

Smitty Smithsonite guess I should’ve won the lottery. Seen it before. And either way, this hack shit shouldn’t be done. Fix it right or not at all.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

@@hunting447 - That doesn't mean Ivan or his wife would let that happen. There's such a thing as common sense - although it's a rarity these days, I'm certain Ivan and his wife both have it.